The Mullard story

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The Mullard story, see how these great valves were made.

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@sarahnewman8960
@sarahnewman8960 3 жыл бұрын
Made by my uncle. He went on to do hundreds of educational and industrial films for Mullards and Phillips.
@justing7168
@justing7168 2 жыл бұрын
Would you uncle be okay with his amazing style being used in classic British comedy? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoK6gYVvibJjfc0
@arthurhudgens8213
@arthurhudgens8213 Жыл бұрын
That's so cool
@TimHollingworth
@TimHollingworth 3 ай бұрын
Your uncle did a good job on this production. I'm now 70 and spent my working career as a freelance cameraman filming similar projects first on 16mm film and eventually video. I doubt many of my efforts will last like this one. Would love to see more of your uncles work.
@TheGeeburger
@TheGeeburger 2 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: My mother worked at the Blackburn factory from around 1961 - 1971 when we migrated to Australia. She was a valve tester and trainer. She is now 86 and still well and truly alive. I recently showed her this video and the look of bewilderment and amazement on her face was priceless.
@D-train69
@D-train69 Жыл бұрын
@@cattnipp maybe they didn't film her reaction.
@chriss740
@chriss740 Жыл бұрын
My mum worked there for something like 30 years, and ended up working on the laserdisc product before retiring. I remember as a kid going to the Christmas party at the factory - they organized an annual party for all the kids of employees; music, cake, gifts. I also remember waiting for my mum at the gate so we could go home together. A different time.
@raul6562
@raul6562 10 ай бұрын
Mi eterna gratitud a su señora madre. De sus manos salieron la fuente de mi pasión. Soy técnico y restaurador de todo equipo que opera con válvulas electrónicas al vacio.
@tonythemadbrit9479
@tonythemadbrit9479 3 жыл бұрын
I worked for many years in M Building (seen at 2'33") which became the Videodisc / Laserdisc manufacturing plant in 1981. The wire factory was in the next building, and it later became our tape archive for Laserdisc and CD master tapes. That all closed a few years ago. Interesting site to work at with a large machine shop and engineering department that manufactured many of the machines in this video. I did my engineering apprenticeship there. The site also made electrolytic capacitors, circuit boards for Philips products, delay lines for PAL TVs and tungsten lamp filaments.
@gregfaris6959
@gregfaris6959 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Thank you.
@PacoOtis
@PacoOtis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing and best of luck!
@video99couk
@video99couk 2 жыл бұрын
You had tapes for CD mastering? Presumably U-matic PCM1630 format? I have equipment for those, believe it or not.
@golfhacker9051
@golfhacker9051 Жыл бұрын
I did work experience in 1981 from high school Brownedge St Marys Bamber Bridge.
@jazzman1626
@jazzman1626 Жыл бұрын
This video was recommended to me a couple of days after I ordered a matched pair of Mullard valves for my preamplifier.
@vancouverman4313
@vancouverman4313 3 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable, the genius of the designers of the machines that made the tubes and the incredible manual dexterity of those people who made the tubes by hand.
@rayoflight62
@rayoflight62 2 жыл бұрын
The EL84 they mention in the narration is an audio pentode, able to deliver 4 W undistorted in a class A amplifier, and more than 10 W in a push-pull configuration. It was later replaced by the cheaper triode - pentode ECL82 in all consumer electronics, as the additional triode in the envelope allowed to build a single-tube turntable - the triode worked as pick-up preamplifier in the turntable or Mike preamp in the tape recorder, the Geloso. When I started my career, there were germanium transistors around, but they were too expensive for almost everything. I designed DC tube circuits - imagine the headaches with the feedback and the gain changes. The circuits were a royal pain to design, but the finished products were indestructible and had a fashion of their own. But in 1962, when this film was made, the fate of vacuum tubes was already sealed. The silicon transistor was rapidly spreading and the design of ICs was ongoing; in less than ten years the vacuum tubes will be consigned to the scrapheap of history. It may sound strange, but I miss that clunky and approximative world of the vacuum tube electronics. It seemed it has a soul; but certainly, it was warm... both literally and figuratively...
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
It looks to me as if the tube was actually an EL64 and not an EL84. Note that the plates were relatively short compared to the height of the glass bottle. I have handled many many thousands of tubes here in the States but I've never seen an EL64.
@johnrebus1641
@johnrebus1641 Жыл бұрын
@@goodun2974 Very unlikely as there is no listing for EL64. Also the Miniwatt databook quotes the numbers 60 to 64 as being "All glass valves with 9 pin base", which refers to European 9 pin lock in base. The EF50 was the most common use of this base. Numbers 80 to 89 refer to American small button Noval 9 pin base.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
@@johnrebus1641 , the printing on the glass must be smudged; I slowed the video down to 25% speed and it looks more like a 6 than an 8, but the resolution isn't great and I'm watching this on a phone.
@Turboy65
@Turboy65 Жыл бұрын
The EL84 has remained popular in guitar amplifiers to this day. It is among the top tube types used in the power amplifier sections of guitar amplifiers, along with the 6V6, EL34, 6L6, 5881, KT66, 6550, and KT88, among others. Few guitar amplifiers use the ECL82 but I think that a small number do.
@jfiery
@jfiery Жыл бұрын
I have 4 of them in my amp right now. RCA NOS that my grandfather had in his garage. I have Mullard tubes in an old radio he left me as well.
@PacoOtis
@PacoOtis 2 жыл бұрын
Whew! "Good old days" huh!! LOL Everything was so very labor intensive back then. However, these are the shoulders we are standing on today! Thanks for sharing!!
@flybobbie1449
@flybobbie1449 2 жыл бұрын
Those similar workers today are now checkout operatives in supermarkets.
@paulkreeft2091
@paulkreeft2091 10 ай бұрын
Wow I didn’t realize how much work is involved in making valves! This is why all those old Marshall amplifiers sounded so great 😀
@cars654
@cars654 3 жыл бұрын
All of this delicate work and many of these tubes sold for far less than five bucks. It also surprised me how these workers did this without any magnification of the intricate connections. I will never forget the sacrifice and stalwart way the Brits fought the Nazi's in WWII ! I bet the rejection rate for those finished valves was very low. BRAVO BRITAIN !
@ducter2001
@ducter2001 5 жыл бұрын
Apart from the amazing construction of the valves themselves I'm gobsmacked by whoever designed the machines that ran the processes as seen in the film.Just for the record I have a 53 yr old mains radio that contains Mullard valves -they still work! Something special looking at the heaters glowing...
@gravelydon7072
@gravelydon7072 2 жыл бұрын
If I checked, there may be some of the same tubes in the National and Hallicrafters radios from that era. There is just something about a tube set that a transistor radio can't duplicate.
@RobiSaintAntoineMatterjam
@RobiSaintAntoineMatterjam 3 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely fascinating. These kinds of old industrial films were incredibly thorough in their illustration of a particular industrial working. It is strange how this 60ish-year-old documentary will be of total relevance to any modern amp geek. The story ends with the company looking toward a bright future of even further industrial expansion. Yet from our contemporary perspective we know that the tube/valve industry died a slow death in the countries of this story's era, only to be revived by other nations taking advantage of a relatively niche market.
@mns8732
@mns8732 2 жыл бұрын
@ Robi - silly person: this technology was traded to Chinese and Russia for access into their markets Please wake up
@flashback9966
@flashback9966 3 жыл бұрын
As a young student I worked at Mullard Mitcham, circa 1970, testing the much larger transmitter valves. It was great a time to be there, in such a busy department, even though I nearly electricuted myself, by touching the 400v grid bias electrode!
@jumpstar9000
@jumpstar9000 10 ай бұрын
ouch, that must have hurt!
@G3PWP
@G3PWP 4 ай бұрын
thank you this is truly a precious and historical film
@coloradostrong
@coloradostrong 2 жыл бұрын
To mark the 50th anniversary of the founding of the company, Mullard management decided to have a rose named after the company. Mullard's quest was simple, they wanted a world-beater, nothing less, so they contacted the renowned grower Sam McGredy IV in Northern Ireland. The naming fee of £10,000/$24,000 was a lot of money in 1970 and established a record fee for a new rose : Mullard Jubilee "Electron". To mark the occasion every employee received a "Mullard Jubilee” rose bush.
@user-pu9mb6gl3f
@user-pu9mb6gl3f 8 ай бұрын
I remember the Mullard rose. There was a large bed of them in Corporation Park
@nichesound
@nichesound Жыл бұрын
We LOVE MULLARD!! Fortunately I have some of these wonders...the rest can rest.....
@mauricebarnett6951
@mauricebarnett6951 Жыл бұрын
My dad worked at the Belmont factory just outside Durham City. They made the actual screens for televisions. He worked there for over 30 years
@flybobbie1449
@flybobbie1449 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted a tube for our TV, i seem to remember i went to Waltons in Wolverhampton. They seem to have racks of valves for sale, would be around 1980.
@glpilpi6209
@glpilpi6209 4 жыл бұрын
My old 1950s Pye radio still has it's original Mullard valves , still working beautifully .
@qua7771
@qua7771 2 жыл бұрын
I still use them in my guitar amp. The Mullard Blackburn ECC-83 is absolutely my favorite sounding valve, and super rare here in the U.S. I wish I could find more of them.
@TrickyDickyP
@TrickyDickyP 2 жыл бұрын
I have some ecc83 here in Philippines
@mikemallen9378
@mikemallen9378 4 жыл бұрын
A fantastic archive of British electronic engineering, many thanks for posting this.
@stevensolway1054
@stevensolway1054 Жыл бұрын
Many,many, ladies, doing the intricate and fine details.
@quantumleap359
@quantumleap359 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! This film shows how the quality control ensures that those valves are made to the highest standards. Mullard valves have always been my favorite, simply because of their quality.
@ConcezioPellegrini
@ConcezioPellegrini 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video. It is no wonder that original Mullard valves are so sought after. Craftsmanship at its FINEST.
@ginolabarbera2056
@ginolabarbera2056 2 жыл бұрын
That is unbelievable! Who are the geniuses that designed those machines? They are simply magical. I wonder where these treasures are today. Hopefully in a manufacturing museum! Love the narrator’s perfect English.
@BitTwisted1
@BitTwisted1 4 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed seeing the early robot automation, it would have been electro-mechanically programmed, very skilful design work. It would cost tens of millions to design each production line now, although easier in many ways with multi-purpose programmable robots. I worked on a project on the 90's where some 50's controllers were being replaced. The only things i can liken them to were telephone exchanges. They were basically early industrial computers.
@timmotel5804
@timmotel5804 Жыл бұрын
1/2023: Absolutely fascinating. I loved every minute of this. A great education for me. Thank You.
@jamesprice6381
@jamesprice6381 5 жыл бұрын
the machines that was DESIGNED to make the tubes is OUTA THIS WORLD! no computers n just a pc of paper, n a compass, n ONE SMART TOOL MAKER!
@mjouwbuis
@mjouwbuis 4 жыл бұрын
Not one tool maker, but an entire department (actually two departments, one for the valve/semiconductor department and a general one) dedicated just to production means for all of their sites world wide.
@tonythemadbrit9479
@tonythemadbrit9479 3 жыл бұрын
@@mjouwbuis Correct. And Blackburn engineers built most of the machines in this video.
@paulyvinyl2361
@paulyvinyl2361 3 жыл бұрын
Back then the goal was an acceptable yield of the highest quality. Now the goal is the highest yield of an acceptable quality.
@vancouverman4313
@vancouverman4313 3 жыл бұрын
@Teknogod17 You probably bought ones made in China and labelled Mullard.
@paullesho
@paullesho 3 жыл бұрын
From China, No jobs here.
@wizzardofwizzards
@wizzardofwizzards 5 жыл бұрын
Someone finding this rare video is as amazing as the content itself!
@mikechelette1784
@mikechelette1784 4 жыл бұрын
Highly skilled people to design and make the machines to complete this process. Cams and levers. Simply amazing. I use vacuum tubes in my amplifiers today (3-500ZG). Thank you for the video.
@Mark625S
@Mark625S 2 жыл бұрын
Was the 3-500ZG made by Eimac? If so, Eimac's headquarters was San Bruno, California (by San Francisco airport). It's now home to KZbin. 😁
@frankpitochelli6786
@frankpitochelli6786 3 жыл бұрын
When I started servicing TVs in 1978 We paid 30 percent of the retail price, which was about 8-10 dollars, sold it for 30 dollars. Never realized how much work went into making a tube, I had hundreds of old and new tubes up until 1990 when they were obsolete and I threw them out.!!! What I would give to have them today, in fact, I wished I would've kept a lot of the older stock components from the 70s 80s even 90s... Hindsight.!!!
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear 3 жыл бұрын
In the 60's I would buy them for about 2 shilings.
@frankpitochelli6786
@frankpitochelli6786 3 жыл бұрын
@@who-gives-a-toss_Bear ...if I only knew...shame to throw all that history away.
@alexanderstefanov6474
@alexanderstefanov6474 3 жыл бұрын
They're probably worth a fortune now, depending on the models of course
@drawbridge611
@drawbridge611 4 жыл бұрын
I had no idea the process was this complicated and this well-automated. The overhead associated with just maintaining all that machinery must’ve been staggering, especially in light of all the close tolerances required. And think of the brain power and initiative involved in making all this happen. And the labor costs. No wonder the transistor swept this all away so quickly-but being a tube amp designer, I say that with a healthy measure of regret.
@alexanderstefanov6474
@alexanderstefanov6474 3 жыл бұрын
not on sound quality it didn't, we have to be grateful for the transistor, without it ICs would never have been invented
@TheChadPad
@TheChadPad 3 жыл бұрын
We need all this back, here in America. I love that we have tube manufacturers overseas doin a bang-up job (I love my Sovtek 5881's), but we need some at-home tube manufacturing for guitar amps and hifi
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 Жыл бұрын
@@TheChadPad and transmitting tubes…
@TheChadPad
@TheChadPad Жыл бұрын
@@dennisyoung4631 idk anything about those unfortunately. I’d like to! Tubes are cool!
@davidjones3758
@davidjones3758 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant engineering when machinery was designed and built in the UK unlike nowadays,before computers took over
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear 3 жыл бұрын
@MichaelKingsfordGray Fascist greedy corporate entities bought off the government. The corporate sector support SLAVE labour in foreign countries. Slavery supports need to be jailed. we have laws against those that support slavery.
@notanymore9471
@notanymore9471 Жыл бұрын
Amazing mechanical/relay automation. They must have had lots of engineers to build this place. Very impressive.
@gregj.gotham4402
@gregj.gotham4402 Жыл бұрын
I own two EL-84 Blackburn Millard tubes that as a child we called them muddy tops from the almost liquid looking tops. They are the best of audio tubes in the EL-84 valves as British calls them. I have them in a SE stereo tube amp by Magnavox. Although not many watts those amps sound very quite and outstanding musical quality.
@Digmen1
@Digmen1 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that was amazing - the guys who designed and built those machines were amazing and in 1961
@geraldzettel2011
@geraldzettel2011 3 жыл бұрын
Always impressed with the quality and meticulous work they did
@bobvincent5921
@bobvincent5921 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. And all this was going on back in 1963 and i was an apprentice.
@martinusher1
@martinusher1 5 жыл бұрын
Around 23 minutes there was the one and only mention of the word 'transistor'. Its incredible to think that all this plant, machinery and employment would be obsolete in a decade or so. Mullard themselves weren't paying attention -- they made transistors but they were invariably germanium, they were labeled like valves and packaged and priced like them. (So, for example, you could buy a vacuum tube triode -- an EC92 -- or a transistor triode -- an OC71. The first letter was the heater voltage or current, other letters were the valve type and the first digit the base type. They kept this notation for transistors even though by 1961 silicon planar transistors were being made by the bucket full (and the planar process was being applied to made integrated circuits). Mullard probably didn't know what was going to hit them until it was too late -- a pity since it was a fine company.
@mjouwbuis
@mjouwbuis 4 жыл бұрын
While the O was probably chosen by Philips and several other European manufacturers not to clash with the valve coding, it became a coding on its own, without the historical meaning from the valve coding. Then, pro electron standardised on A, B, C and R as starting letters and the Philips group of companies only used the O on custom semiconductors and pre production types anymore (NXP up to this day). I'm not sure what you mean by "didn't know what was going to hit them" as they made vacuum technology up to around 2008. Their transistors from the AC, AD, AF, BC, BD, BF etc. series were widely sold. In the IC era, they specialised in LSI bipolar digital and mixed signal circuits. Mullard was the design centre within Philips for Teletext and CD chipsets, amongst others. They still make semiconductors up to this day, though most historic sites seem to have been consolidated into a few new ones and some activities moved to sites outside the UK.
@stevehead365
@stevehead365 4 жыл бұрын
Mullard did produce silicon transistors, apart from the early alloy types, there were high frequency types like the BF115. NXP (the successor to Philips) still make transistors and ICs.
@vancouverman4313
@vancouverman4313 3 жыл бұрын
I recently restored a circa 1962 Bush portable radio that has all the original Mullard transistors. The only components that had gone bad were the electrolytics and the detector diode. It's an amazingly sensitive set and very well made too.
@LairdScooby
@LairdScooby Жыл бұрын
@@mjouwbuis Many of the silicon based semiconductors you mention were made at the Mullard (Southampton) Plant where i did my apprenticeship - too late for valves though. Manufacturing went to the far east about the time i finished and the site now is a mixture of various other businesses. The EEB Dept (Electrical and Electronic Building) where many prototypes and other things were built is now a builders merchants (Jewsons i think) which i think i kind of ironic.
@narendravadiya1115
@narendravadiya1115 3 жыл бұрын
In my life first time I have seen such mfg. process. Many valves are replaced in my radio services business. Thank to Mullard factory.
@SLATEB0Y
@SLATEB0Y 3 жыл бұрын
What an interesting bit of footage. Thank you
@buffplums
@buffplums 3 жыл бұрын
What a fascinating documentary.
@davidjones3758
@davidjones3758 4 жыл бұрын
When Britain was a engineering nation unlike now where we make sod all
@TomTschritter
@TomTschritter 3 жыл бұрын
@MichaelKingsfordGray bullcrap, more corporate propaganda, the real truth is the blame belongs to the upper class who shifted production overseas in order to increase profits due to selfishness and greed, obviously.
@buffplums
@buffplums 3 жыл бұрын
Tom Tschritter yep and during the 80s when Thatcher wanted Britain to become a financial services centre... I guess the country became richer at the expense of our engineering
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear 3 жыл бұрын
@MichaelKingsfordGray Bull Shit.
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear 3 жыл бұрын
@@buffplums some greedy pricks became richer. The current UK will soon become a fascist country. Just like China, where you are jailed for your political views.
@bill-2018
@bill-2018 3 жыл бұрын
@MichaelKingsfordGray Not really. Manufacturers in all fields moved production overseas, less costly to produce items but still making their nice profits.
@voytekfid7734
@voytekfid7734 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing Video and very interesting document. My very thanks for author.
@haythamchannel3553
@haythamchannel3553 Жыл бұрын
Until now I'm still using radio and TV tubes for repairing. Amazing video for mallard factory
@danstewart8218
@danstewart8218 7 жыл бұрын
The quality and complexity (of the product) is just extraordinary..!!
@RODALCO2007
@RODALCO2007 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent historical footage.
@billyshears6622
@billyshears6622 2 жыл бұрын
Unreal!! 😳 I had no idea these modest tube types were so complicated!
@soundknight
@soundknight 7 жыл бұрын
AMAZING and to think they did this without robots and computers
@Albee213
@Albee213 6 жыл бұрын
I see plenty of robots doing tasks in this vid.
@nationalfactory6668
@nationalfactory6668 4 жыл бұрын
Brian Cullen in my factory is, we are hoping to make it fully automated because we have a few workers and we have started to make them to robots
@musicistherapy2
@musicistherapy2 3 жыл бұрын
They did all this to build robots and computers
@theoldbigmoose
@theoldbigmoose 3 жыл бұрын
Plenty of robots in this video, but they were run with cams, limit switches and timers. No microprocessors or PLCs in the mix. Real engineering, tuning with feeler gauges and not a firmware load. Great video!
@alexanderstefanov6474
@alexanderstefanov6474 3 жыл бұрын
@@Albee213 wage slaves to capitalism. not much has changed unfortunatley. At least they were actually making something useful and world class quality
@srikanthr.lakshmanrao1019
@srikanthr.lakshmanrao1019 2 жыл бұрын
This is why the old electronics had long life, you can feel hard work of people, when we look at old Radio, Amplifire glowing valves, I respect the people who gifted such precious equipments.🙏🙏🙏 I still have a Grundig Record changer with Sterio valve Amplifire of 1966 in beautiful original condition. this is absolutely fascinating video, younger generation must watch.
@buffplums
@buffplums 3 жыл бұрын
23:46 that made laugh, precision processes everywhere and a gash hole made in the roof through a bit of gypsum. One would think they would have put a circular plate around it to finish it off.
@bill-2018
@bill-2018 3 жыл бұрын
A bit like I went to Jodrell Bank on a course and peeped behind an electronics cabinet to see a circuit board with wires attached and sitting in a cardboard box to insulate it from the cabinet shelf. Probably millions of pounds of astronomy gear and a cardboard box.
@buffplums
@buffplums 3 жыл бұрын
Bill hahah yeah probably an essential mod that someone did years ago and it got forgotten about hahah
@peterensinger1770
@peterensinger1770 Жыл бұрын
A bit like BT Openreach when the engineer came to install the full fibre broadband in my when they connected the fibre cable they had to open a hatch on the side of the pole to make the connection they had to move the copper connection board out of the way this connection board had a plastic carrier bag over it to protect it from the rain when i asked the engineer why this was the case she said most of these are like this i would have thought that they would have fitted a proper cover. thankfully the fibre connectors now used are waterproof.
@RobertKohut
@RobertKohut 9 жыл бұрын
Nice, I just purchased "new released" EL84 tubes for my very first tube amp the Dynaco ST-35. Cool history!
@the_newvoice
@the_newvoice 3 жыл бұрын
I sing through a "12AT7 China" at the moment :) Looking toward Mullard. The video is superb!
@cobar5342
@cobar5342 Жыл бұрын
This is a really great video
@tzed2509
@tzed2509 Жыл бұрын
Now I want to see the tube (valve) factory of today!
@petermainwaringsx
@petermainwaringsx Жыл бұрын
At 2:28 I swear there's a bloke on a hoverboard. I used loads of valves back in the sixties so thanks for a great video.
@6AK5W-JAN
@6AK5W-JAN 15 күн бұрын
If you have any more videos like this, please do upload them. 😃
@usethenoodle
@usethenoodle Жыл бұрын
This is the perfect example of a real life Rube Goldberg world. More fascinating than the valves themself, are the intricate machines they built to build the valves. Who could engineer such machines? I have a Dillon Super 1050 ammunition reloading machine that I thought was a complicated device. It looks simple compared to the machines shown here. Such an amazing video, um, I mean film.
@bill-2018
@bill-2018 3 жыл бұрын
Interestingly if people don't know, there is the Great British Valve Project who intend to start making audio valves again in Britain and are collecting machinery and getting it all working.
@vancouverman4313
@vancouverman4313 3 жыл бұрын
Good for them. I wish them well.
@bill-2018
@bill-2018 3 жыл бұрын
@@vancouverman4313 Yes, I keep looking to see how they are going on.
@antoniograncino3506
@antoniograncino3506 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering what become of all the marvelous machinery in that factory.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
@@antoniograncino3506 , Much of it was likely either sold to China and Russia are scrapped for the metal content. Any of it that sat around too long in an abandoned building ( with broken windows, leaky roof, pigeons crapping on it etc) would have probably rusted to the point of being unusable.
@mc-ec3bu
@mc-ec3bu 4 жыл бұрын
A work of art.
@readrepairs
@readrepairs 6 ай бұрын
Unimaginable hours building those machines. ...then came the transistor...
@bill-2018
@bill-2018 3 жыл бұрын
That machinery is amazing, effortlessly churning out millions of valves. I have a D.E.R. valve with a pip on top and marked BBC which according to the information I have dates it as 1926 to 1927 but the incredible bit is that the tungsten filament is still intact and is very bright. It seems a pity to use it and burn out the filament, but it also seems a pity to not use it as intended. G4GHB.
@jamesplotkin4674
@jamesplotkin4674 2 жыл бұрын
I'd recommend a Variac and slightly lower mains voltage to preserve the filament.
@bill-2018
@bill-2018 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesplotkin4674 It's a 1.8 Volt d.c. filament. I understand under voltage can be as bad as over voltage.
@SangiTariq
@SangiTariq 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Work
@williamwong5627
@williamwong5627 3 жыл бұрын
Wonder how the factory made money? I remembered the ECC83 (12AX7) cost a dollar back in the late 60s. I built my own stereo amplifier using 1 ECC83 for phono stage, 1 ECC83 for line/ tone control and 2 EL84 output stage. This setup was for 1 channel. Interesting hobby back then. I am from Singapore.
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear 3 жыл бұрын
It made money, but it didn’t rip everyone off for the max corporate dollar or pound it could. It was all about making a good product at a sensible price. Not like the evil fascist pricks that buy votes, like Trump, and the his evil mates.
@alexanderstefanov6474
@alexanderstefanov6474 3 жыл бұрын
@@who-gives-a-toss_Bear The CEO was also not paid 1000x more than the workers, not more than 10x the lowest wage, I would bet
@A_Bit_of_Thought
@A_Bit_of_Thought 2 жыл бұрын
When the tubes (valves) were made in large quantity, the production costs were much lower. The setup costs play a large part of producing such items.
@matneu27
@matneu27 2 жыл бұрын
I also built a amp with 2x2 El 84 back in the 90s. We also dreamed about building an amp with 2 El 34 per chanel but they needed an 500 V transformer for the anode voltage.
@terrywilliamson8212
@terrywilliamson8212 2 жыл бұрын
@@matneu27 I built one about 5 years ago to the original Millard design. weighs in at some 30kg, has 14 valves. Some parts difficult to obtain and not cheap!
@zbaby82
@zbaby82 2 жыл бұрын
I have watched this three separate times and I still find it fascinating. And Mullard made great valves/tubes. I still use tubes in my guitar amps. So far in my opinion they still sound better than transistors etc. for music.
@mariannwatt2678
@mariannwatt2678 2 жыл бұрын
I wish we could get the old el34 tubes they made my marshall guitar amps loved them now we get made in china crap why cant the us and the uk get togeather and start makeing them at home sad
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
@@mariannwatt2678 , There would be enormous startup costs involved in making the necessary machinery again, because Russia and China are unlikely to sell or give up their tube-manufacturing machines. Also, getting the requisite chemicals and metals and adhering to EPA and EU regulations for chemical use and disposal would be difficult and costly. And finally the cost of labor in Europe and especially America is much higher than it is in China or Russia. There are a couple of companies in America and Canada that are manufacturing copies of the Western Electric 300 B triode that is much beloved by audiophiles, but that's a case where they can get $500 or $600 or more for a single tube.
@MrRobertver
@MrRobertver 4 жыл бұрын
WOW !! OMG !! La bulbófora en todo su esplendor.
@captainamerica9353
@captainamerica9353 3 жыл бұрын
Who would have guessed that some of these tubes (the models that vintage stereo and guitar amp guys want) would be worth a fortune now?
@mariannwatt2678
@mariannwatt2678 2 жыл бұрын
Yep new old stock tubes buying is risky
@scottwheeler2494
@scottwheeler2494 Жыл бұрын
As a kid I threw away thousands of these tubes on a job once. Lord only knows what they were and how much they would be worth today.
@Qingeaton
@Qingeaton 6 жыл бұрын
From what I understand, No one makes a tube today that has the same quality as these. Maybe when it was the state of the art, they tried harder? Had better coatings and such? Suddenly, Paying $30 for a 50 year old, NOS 12ax7A tube doesn't seem unreasonable.
@johannalvarsson9299
@johannalvarsson9299 3 жыл бұрын
i would be careful with such claims, they are very hard to prove or disprove. If they were better, I would think it is because during this time, you could make real profit with those and there was competition. nowdays, only very few people use tubes and chances are they are not that critical. look at how many people think vinyl sonds better despite it having an obvious noise covering the signal. i suspect those people would buy crappy tubes without thinking and controling them.
@Qingeaton
@Qingeaton 3 жыл бұрын
@MichaelKingsfordGray That's just simply not true.People who run high end audiophile amps don't seek out Russian tubes, and especially for the preamp circuit, The Mullard and RCA black plates are preferred.
@Qingeaton
@Qingeaton 3 жыл бұрын
@@johannalvarsson9299 "Chances are?" The truth is, people who are really into their tube amps want the real, best versions, not modern copies. It's like saying modern violins are just as good as a Stradivarius violins. They are not.
@johannalvarsson9299
@johannalvarsson9299 3 жыл бұрын
@@Qingeaton prove
@johannalvarsson9299
@johannalvarsson9299 3 жыл бұрын
@@Qingeaton the think is i am open to change my mind. show me evidence and i am going to.
@Zero_Cool_
@Zero_Cool_ 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff.
@danstewart8218
@danstewart8218 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Thanks for uploading this.. :)
@spookyboo3164
@spookyboo3164 3 жыл бұрын
really interesting processes
@robertkat
@robertkat 5 жыл бұрын
Actually most vacuum tubes where made for military and telecom. 50 million were made a year.
@oldpanamacitybeach
@oldpanamacitybeach 2 жыл бұрын
"It is a story without end." Very shortly after this film was produced the end came. "Mr. Valve, meet Mr. Transistor, he's a solid chap from Japan."
@gravelydon7072
@gravelydon7072 2 жыл бұрын
Tube radios are still in use. Same with tube amplifiers which have a better sound quality.
@ianmedium
@ianmedium Жыл бұрын
@@gravelydon7072 whilst true the ratio of valve to transistor is so massive in favour of transistor so as to make valves a micro niche thing now. I do prefer the sound of valves and use an SET headphone amp but I really am in a very small minority. 99% of portable audio listeners simply listen via their phone.
@JurassicJenkins
@JurassicJenkins 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating video. I would like to see how the process is done today for comparison. 💯
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the assembly might be done the same way on basically the same machines. Although some of the original equipment likely would have been sold as scrap metal, some of the machines got sold from Britain and Germany and elsewhere in Europe, to China and Russia. Unfortunately it is quite possible that much of the machinery has not been maintained and kept up to speck and so even though some of the modern Russian and Chinese tubes might be made on the same machinery such as that shown here the tubes themselves might not be the same quality because of wear and tear on the machines plus perhaps lesser quality metals and chemicals being used for manufacturing the various parts of the tubes.
@michaelturner4457
@michaelturner4457 Жыл бұрын
Similar probably, except it's in China and not Blackburn. I can't imagine valve manufacturing techniques have changed too much, except maybe robots might be involved now.
@TimHollingworth
@TimHollingworth 3 ай бұрын
Exceptional film of the valve process. I wonder where all the automated machines ended up?
@jayroland9481
@jayroland9481 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating piece of social history.
@gregsmith7428
@gregsmith7428 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing to think about how all that base was swept away by the transistor. Lots of women were employed there. They're good at delicate jobs. A young dude working there would've had a blast finding a date back then!
@Digmen1
@Digmen1 2 жыл бұрын
I seems to remeber the model number of some of those valves. I had a Marshall 50W amp in the early 70s. Just think they were expanding the factory, and it mjust all have come crashing down with the transistor and the icu chip
@borysandreyev9717
@borysandreyev9717 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic !
@carywatmore
@carywatmore 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Imagine if this were done today in the UK. The price of valves would cost even more than NOS prices.
@Qingeaton
@Qingeaton 3 жыл бұрын
It is a function of demand though. It used to be that hospitals and the military depending on valves for everything they did. It was life or death. Today, you get a better, warmer sound if you use better NOS tubes in your guitar amp. That's just not as critical.
@bill-2018
@bill-2018 3 жыл бұрын
Take a look at the Great British Valve Project who intend to start making valves again under the Brimar name.
@Qingeaton
@Qingeaton 3 жыл бұрын
@@bill-2018 I would just bet they will be setting the standard when they get it done.
@enriquegonzalez2802
@enriquegonzalez2802 Жыл бұрын
Those complicated mechanical machines are masterpieces of engineering. Now they call them robots...
@golfhacker9051
@golfhacker9051 Жыл бұрын
I went there for work experience in high school. 1981 in the Engineering and Maintenance department. Think it closed in 1988. I was in Australia then.
@TheDagda1000
@TheDagda1000 2 жыл бұрын
Ah - the nostalgia. ❤
@gazza116
@gazza116 Жыл бұрын
thank god for the transistor
@buffplums
@buffplums 3 жыл бұрын
15:35 “GERROUT !” Haha ... sounds like someone being teased and she’s shouting lol 😂
@texanfournow
@texanfournow 3 жыл бұрын
So many women responsible for so much sonic joy!
@fubartotale3389
@fubartotale3389 Жыл бұрын
Checked out a toolmaker job at an outfit near me and during the tour I saw a room with the unmistakable custom desks for assembling vacuum tubes. This is in the American midwest in 2020 and I was surprised. It seems this company stsrted making tubes for the U.S. military back in the WWll days, and apparently some American weapons systems still use these tubes, and they retain the ability to build them in house to this day.
@DavidHuber63
@DavidHuber63 2 жыл бұрын
She is ambidextrous!, yes folks, i confidentially said she and it feels so good👍
@TimScottGuitar
@TimScottGuitar 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!! And informative, unusual for KZbin haha
@haythamchannel3553
@haythamchannel3553 Жыл бұрын
Iwish that mullard factory works again to product tubes
@Five0Music
@Five0Music 7 жыл бұрын
That's an amazing video, and explains why so few valve/tube makers still exist who do quality (as opposed to quantity) work on tubes. It's much more involved than I thought. I have many tube amps, so I hope quality makers will remain in the business! Very sad to see great companies like SED leaving the market.
@Spookieham
@Spookieham 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. It doesn't say when it was made but I'd suggest early to mid 60s.
@nationalfactory6668
@nationalfactory6668 4 жыл бұрын
Graeme Hill 1961
@captainamerica9353
@captainamerica9353 3 жыл бұрын
@@nationalfactory6668 , yes, and sadly the younger people in this video would not be around to retire. Same with the folks over at the Vox Amp factory.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
At 5:23, it's an EL64, not EL84. I have handled many hundreds perhaps thousands of different tube types but I have never seen an EL64 here in the States.
@stephendavis4241
@stephendavis4241 2 жыл бұрын
This video explains why Mullard tubes (NOS) sell higher on Ebay. Obvious quality workmanship.
@lfcmarkeb7124
@lfcmarkeb7124 27 күн бұрын
now I know how my NOS tubes were made that live in my phono stage 😉
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 6 жыл бұрын
those buildings look very modern for the early 60's or late 50's
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear 3 жыл бұрын
How old are you? These were new buildings, not a converted old mill from 1850. Having said that some of the old mills were built well and still stand. Where as new buildings built when I was a lad, in the 60’s, have gone. Make of that what you will. The chimney of India Mill still dominates the skyline of Darwen, with its Italian inspired architecture, and must be the best chimney in the world. lancashirepast.com/2015/02/22/india-mill-chimney-and-darwens-victorian-machinery/
@carlc2597
@carlc2597 Жыл бұрын
I thought so as well, impressive
@paphy
@paphy 3 жыл бұрын
The time we could be proud ,,, made in England
@chavruta2000
@chavruta2000 7 жыл бұрын
the return of television! yay!
@logotrikes
@logotrikes 3 жыл бұрын
They went to all this trouble and expense, then some bugger invented the transistor....
@andrejrockshox
@andrejrockshox 3 жыл бұрын
hahaha! may he rot in hell
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 Жыл бұрын
Plural, I think. Bardeen and Brattain, if memory serves. Addendum: Shockley, also.
@flobeeonekinobee9519
@flobeeonekinobee9519 2 жыл бұрын
The kind of industrial ingenuity we Are having to apologise for nowadays hey Boris
@Digmen1
@Digmen1 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine those poor girls doing that for hours on end.
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