The Mystery of the Sherman Murders - The Fifth Estate

[@wintercaptain]

I always found it interesting that legal drug companies mirror illegal drug cartels

[@jerricafajardo6089]

They are perfect mirrors, except for the fact one is legally accepted by society and the other is not. Same bullshit, just a slight of hand.

[@proudmilitarybrat76]

Your comment should have a lot more likes.

[@StortWeldingCoLLC]

@@proudmilitarybrat76 I LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@angelnumber2002]

Kuro Heart both kill ppl so

[@TylerKline69]

They aren't mirrors because one is always directly linked to rape kidnap and murder while the other isn't.

[@amya3980]

Kerry strikes me as that criminal that can't keep himself from talking and talking and talking, until he implicates himself...

[@BeBe-is5wg]

I’ll grab him his shovel, lol. Wow......: /

[@bridgetcox3593]

Yeah but if he did it I don’t blame him, if I was on he jury I’d let him walk

[@misskay8131]

Me too. He's literally the criminal that wants to be involved in the case somehow!

[@berly9397]

Exactly. I don't get why he's still free.

[@WarReport.]

His interview reminded me of the murderer of the Mcstay family. Talked all this hatred about the family and them being dead. The guy told the cops what he heard. I am sure the police are monitoring Kerry around the clock until he slips up.

[@godallowsuturns679]

People even struggled to find something good to say about these two at the funeral.

[@annalisavajda252]

Yeah their funeral looked more like a social event than group of mourners.

[@BeeHash]

Someone please explain why this state of the art mansion didn’t have a single security camera...

[@parastoor3290]

it had ...but i think they were turned off before murdering them

[@yourdaughterdoesanal2650]

@@parastoor3290 so who killed them?

[@parastoor3290]

@@yourdaughterdoesanal2650 probably government is involved that they can not even find a clue .

[@mrluigi9923]

@@yourdaughterdoesanal2650 its always someone very close,i think the druggie dunnit and got away with it because he had so many enemies it got easier.

[@jasong9502]

Farts&PoopLive the list is a very long one when you're a ruthless businessman

[@rachelmacdonald723]

Barry Sherman tried to ruin the life of a professor who disagreed with a drug he wanted to market. she researched it and found side affects he didn't want that to come to light so he ruined her professionally. He's an awful man and she was pretty awful too. No one deserves to die but he made one too many enemies.

[@shlomosaulgolnenbaumgolden7426]

*rubs hands*

[@sarahjustice526]

Ruthless man ,he was a witch.Could have continued to destroy more lives.

[@MsVictoria4ever]

Trudeau liked their money.

[@RevanX]

@@anneofgreengables1619 wow u are disgusting

[@jonslg240]

@@shlomosaulgolnenbaumgolden7426 lmao

[@jamesr1703]

Even though their funeral was well attended, it sounds like this was a ruthless and greedy couple who will not be missed.

[@leilamenouar8998]

James R People gravitate towards people with that much money regardless of what kind of people they are.

[@cugglymonster]

James R I was thinking the same thing.

[@speccd8116]

James R essence

[@highplains]

I love true crime stories by the fifth estate...they up there among the best

[@sjm1987]

I agree. What else do you consider among the best?

[@highplains]

Stephen Mesaros some of my personal favourites are 48 hours, Werner Herzog's series 'On Death Row', Dark minds, Real Detective, Evil Lives Here and Grave Secrets, plus anything from HBO. The VICE channel has some excellent crime documentaries as does the Real Stories channel.

[@SnickasBah]

high plains drifter glad to know about vice channel thanks

[@Pcpguy]

+high plains drifter Real stories, fbi files, forensic files, crime investigation Australia, Crimes that shook Australia are just to name a few of the great series about crime. I saw the death row interview with Douglas Feldman on Death Row interviews, but I need to check out the rest of the series. also it was different than any interview style doc. It had a real dark feeling to it with the mother and the complete change in Douglas throughout his life. theres so many other great series I failed to mention. The 5th Estate is also one that stands out as a unique investigative journalism show, and its been around since the 50s I believe. Cool.

[@lukefukinmiller]

People Magazine Investigates is also very good.

[@valentina1219]

I swear everyone that has appeared on this episode is a sociopath, victims included

[@SiViC74]

Jews

[@leezwatz3339]

@@SiViC74 LOL.....Sadly, you're absolutely right. Frank D'Angelo, Barry's friend, is a known criminal BTW. As we say, "Tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are".

[@bloominonions]

"no, i hated her, too" lmao

[@cherrymilkk]

That got me too! 💀💀💀 Our boy Kerry is COLD AS ICE

[@Moonewitch]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@daphney1881]

That caught me off guard

[@kennadowning]

Lol

[@AskYaMommyBoutMeBoi]

Speak your truth

[@ColonelKlink100]

The announcer kept talking about how generous this couple was. People who understand the story of the widow's mite know that the poor person who gives $10 is much more generous than this couple ever was.

[@cleverbachelor5953]

NatashaNogoodnik yep I have no sympathy for these billionaires

[@alicewelch5492]

clever bachelor you got it right it's so sad people will just praise someone of this status but people who putting their life on the line and trying to help someone they hardly give them a passing thought. Just like all you can hear is the Royal baby to me babies are all Royal. The only Royal person to have walked this earth isn't with us at this time

[@kilmoturtles1]

Let's see.. man creates a business that employs thousands of works, gives well over a million to charity, company gives millions of their drugs for free, creates millions in wealth for investors, etc. etc. but the poor man that gives $10 is contributing more. 1. I think you need help with your math 2. I think you believe billionairs should give everything they make back, while not at all seeing the fact THEIR companies employ thousands and generates millions for investors. etc. You have trouble seeing how the big gears in an economy really run. But yea... the poor man is generous with his $10.... if only we had a billion poor men and 1 greedy billionair.. ah, life would be so much better off, right?? clueless.

[@nikkib5753]

@@kilmoturtles1 Well said and thank you for saying all that. That's why I had to say what I did and I almost deleted it, but when I saw yours I realized, I don't need to delete my comment. Why would anyone degrade a dead man's generosity just because he was rich? In the world of generosity, I am no better than anyone and no one is better than I. Someone could be far more generous and it have NOTHING to do with money. When people are generous, we don't count it like that. We don't think twice about it, and we don't require recognition either.

[@freudianslippers6567]

"Why would anyone degrade a dead man's generosity just because he was rich?" No, it's because it's disingenuous. His "charity" was tax deductible; too many billionaires only use "charitable" donations as a way to launder their money to overseas tax havens, anyway. "man creates a business that employs thousands of works" Who cares? What is the quality of employment, what is the job security, what are the wages? I could go out an pay vulnerable people $2.00 an hour to pick fruit, would that make me a wonderful person? "but the poor man that gives $10 is contributing more" In comparison to wealth, yes. Jeff Bezos - who has $146bn to his name has pledged $2bn to tackling homelessness and improving education... He's also decided he doesn't want to pay his workers living wages, and he's cut 2000 workers health benefits; and because of his "charity" he can not only write it off, he can receive tax breaks - added note; only 12% of philanthropy goes into human services. Nice little system these creeps have, aye? A poor man giving $10 when he only has $50, is a fuckload better than a rich man who "gives" $2b when he has $146b and when he can claim it back; and because of the pittance these billionaires crumb out (that contributes NOTHING to longevity of social issues) they have means to legally avoid tax... Philanthropy, then, is a means of making the uber rich look generous, while they save far more money through exploiting loopholes and using tax havens. "As the rich get richer, they are spending less on charity, while the poor give a higher percentage of their income to good causes - the world’s eight richest people have as much wealth as the poorest half of humanity" If that doesn't concern you, you might be a good little shill. Context is everything, bootlickers. ;)

[@aviation11000]

I was skeptical of Keri Winter and on the fence about Dr Barry Sherman until I heard: "I have cousins all over the world. I don't go see them." Oh yeah, well how many of those cousins' parents took you under their wing and provided for and protected you when you needed it? That statement alone speaks volumes about Sherman's character.

[@marquisfarmer8059]

Yes

[@racy-san]

@Rozz...👌my thoughts exactly! ....✌💖🕯

[@zoezoe6444]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@larahporter8123]

Exactly my same feeling. He was an ungrateful person when he said that.

[@MsMumbaikar]

Exactly what I had on my mind. Barry was just thankless. The least he could have done was groomed his cousins and brought them into their father's established business.

[@lexiaaforever437]

Kerry is just out here telling everyone business 😂 lord lol .

[@hellowjp]

The way Barry Sherman treated his cousins is pretty cold-blooded and ungrateful. These cousins’ father basically taught him and gave Barry his fortune, and after their father died, he just decided to treat these orphaned kids like strangers?

[@hayaglamazonluxe]

hellowjp Yeah this is one part that I found hurtful.

[@tracishea5053]

The cousins were adopted. It wasn't like they were on the streets, or even in foster care. Barry was a young man then, busy with his business. Lots of extended families aren't super close. That doesn't make them bad people. And not many twenty-somethings are interested in kids, unless they have their own.

[@constituenta5293]

Louis Winter was Mrs. Sherman's younger brother. When her husband died, Louis graciously mentored her son, Barry. Louis and his wife Beverly did not think they were going to be able to have children of their own. Once Barry enrolled in University of Toronto in 1958, Louis and Beverly adopted their first child. Two years later, Beverly conceived a child, and two more the next two years. Empire was the largest Canadian pharmacy and even had the United States military as a client when Beverly was diagnosed with leukemia. Louis died suddenly of a heart attack in 1965 at age 41! His wife passed away from leukemia 17 days later, and Barry immediately attempted to purchase the company. The trustees declined his offer. The kids were placed in an abusive adoptive home. When Barry completed grad school in 1967, he made another offer for his uncle's company, this time including a provision for a fifteen year royalty on four patents for each of the children, which he never paid, and a 5% stake with a position in the company upon reaching the age of majority for each of them. He sold the company in 1972 before that ownership clause could take effect, and the children were never told about it, or the royalties that he screwed them out of. They actually had to sue the trustees many years later to see the documents and find out the truth of what happened.

[@wanderliscious]

He foisted off four young orphaned children on strangers and ignored them for 16 years. Never sent a birthday or Christmas present? Never sent a card with some spending money? That's not normal behaviour. He wasn't a nice person.

[@MsKayla130]

Nobody has the right to take another's life. May they rest in peace. having said that, don't think Barry S was not a nice person for not fulfilling his uncle's agreement. Sounds like he was in fact sneaky. 150 lawsuits, and many threats.. many enimies no doubt. the plot thickens...scary stuff

[@jameswilcock6648]

It was the son who did that eulogy at the start of this video."you were like a lock and a key,both useless without the other."who says that?

[@TooLegit2Quit84]

Maybe it was dark humor that the family would appreciate, or an inside joke. Idk. If not, it was a really weird thing for him to say.

[@marylee5011]

A child that had to live under Lock & Key

[@cellis3045]

A son of Barry Sherman apparently..

[@nikkib5753]

I don't think any of you are understanding it. A lock needs a key. A key, needs a lock that matches it. He's saying, one parent was a lock, the other a key. Together they are the perfect "match". Without the one, they are both useless. In other words, their best WAS their "togetherness". It's actually quite beautiful. And the Sherman's were a beautiful couple.

[@lindastonebraker2512]

Nikki B that’s what I took it to mean. I thought it was probably one of the sweetest things I’ve ever heard someone say!

[@ReeRee_is_watching_you]

He took over the business of his uncle and let his orphane cousins struggle for years? There u have it... That's the kind of man he was...

[@sparx180]

reheli Well said!

[@MrsDannunzio]

He PAID for it, didn't he? Then loaned them millions! The fact that they were total losers and lost it all wasn't his fault. I would love to have received millions in gifts or loans.

[@sparx180]

@@MrsDannunzio You are incorrect. She would loan say $500.00 mins later she would be asking for it back. Well they wronged the person who killed them!

[@jaymesnin]

But he owed them each a 5%stake share in the company. An god knows how much that was. Prolly far more then the gifts and money he had loaned them. Prolly got to the point where he couldnt afford to pay them off.

[@candicegerman9793]

Amen

[@SandraNelson063]

Kerry has been so steeped in hate and pain from his relationship with Barry, he can't tell the difference between fact and fiction. His sense of betrayal is huge. A point; the boys got bad legal advice. They should have sued Barry for 20% of the selling price of their father's company, NOT 20% of the "new" company. They were legally entitled to 20% of their Dad's company, NOT Barry's company.

[@miaknig3130]

20% with interest, but that probably wasnt much. He probably sold the original company to defend himself from claims.

[@cac3343]

How could these billionaires not have a state of the art camera and security system? Very strange.

[@gulfy09]

CA C very cheap ..even a in house maid they were drug dealers after all is said

[@anneofgreengables1619]

Jews.

[@ludwigvanzappa9548]

Cheap Jews .

[@shlomosaulgolnenbaumgolden7426]

OY VEY...

[@JungleRane]

Cheap as F

[@TheRealTimFlynn]

“you were each like a lock and a key; both pretty useless on their own.” might be the most unintentionally savage thing ever lol

[@lgravelle4182]

Yeah lol. Like he definitely could've and perhaps should've worded that a lil differently

[@sissia.5121]

I think that was very kind and sweet statement about his parents.

[@beaka63]

I agree. That certainly made me raise my eyebrows and chuckle.

[@AskAlex1999]

Or intentional.

[@bobbypaluga4346]

You can't side with anyone on this, they'll all bad people. Jealousy, hate, greed,

[@Lionforaday]

Sure. But it's not really a show about "who's more bad?" It's a show about someone - two someone's - that were murdered. Being "a bad person," by itself, doesn't make you someone who deserves to be killed.

[@etcetraetcetra3173]

Absolutely. Karma is the main player in this family drama.

[@singtweetypie]

The Winter children were adopted by Dr. Martin Barkin and his wife Carol - a school teacher. Dr. Martin Barkin passed away on Jan 23, 2018 and was a leading urologist, professor in the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Toronto, CEO of Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre and served as Deputy Minister of Health, Ontario and the Lead Independent Trustee with NorthWest. The Barkin/Winter children certainly had two accomplished parents to raise them.

[@onearmdaddy]

Who cares??? They don't care about you or your society.

[@Jake-qt1dp]

The greatest people I’ve known/still know

[@joycelam3298]

I feel bad for Barry Sherman cousin. It must be hard for him when he lose both of his parents and his cousin betray him. That painful.

[@Specialkxxx]

He got more money than many of us will ever see in a lifetime. Houses cars cottages. Millions of dollars. I do not feel sorry for Kerry Winter

[@dimitrageorgiadi5087]

​@@Specialkxxxmoney never helps to heal wounded hearts. The kids lost their parents . No amount of money can make you whole again. Glad not to be in their shoes. It must have been awful.

[@Specialkxxx]

@@dimitrageorgiadi5087 I agree but he was pretty nasty in his approach you have to at least admit that part. Prayers to all.

[@kalgarulaa1019]

Who else here to read all the comments from the geniuses 🤔

[@frannie3373]

😂

[@franksimoes-pereira7027]

I read all the comments from the geniuses, including your comment...

[@kalgarulaa1019]

frank simoes-pereira bravo 😁

[@lmeaux5240]

I'm just reading through the comments to see if anyone else found the narrator's voice as annoying as I did.

[@frankboff1260]

Yep 👍

[@juliana1672]

Money is not everything. Be kind to people and you might save your life.

[@pacco9532]

Juliana try telling that to a Jew

[@loganbothwell543]

Juliana Might? Not possible unless you are a believer in Jesus who died so you may live with Him forever. You cannot possibly do enough good to go to Heaven in this life unless you do so. That is why it says by the grace of God. It is a free gift. So if you believe that Jesus died for your sins then be filled by the Holy Spirit, it is only natural that you will change your mind about sinful things, and will of course then live a life that conforms to these ideas. People cannot do enough good to save themselves, only choose to believe that Jesus paid for their sins. It’s a free gift.

[@SolversSocietyHQ]

Amen

[@avivagreenwald1752]

@@pacco9532 Can I tell you that this does not have to do with being Jewish? Or is it a waste of time... Secondly, he was atheist. He did not believe in Judaism.

[@vettelovette]

One thing I know for certain is that drug addicts (I am a recovering drug addict for over 13.5 years now) is that , fueled by hate and rage, we can make any story into anything we want it to be AND make others feel crazy if they don't believe what we are telling them. We are the best manipulators there are.

[@barbarapalmer8224]

John Cox. Well done for being honest and kicking the habit.

[@larahporter8123]

Thank you for being brave and honest. Says a lot about you.

[@merc340sr]

Looks Kerry never got over the loss of his mother, father and his business. He feels like he lost everything...I kind of understand...

[@ellebelle8515]

Of course it is sad to lose parents. Barry also lost his father as a child. Honey was a child of Holocaust survivors. Barry bought his uncle's small company, started over with Apotex and worked all these years to build it into what it is. Also, for many years Barry gave all the Winter boys millions of dollars to build homes, businesses. They had more opportunities than most people in this world and what have they done with them. Kerry is 50 years old and needs to take responsibility for his bad choices.

[@merc340sr]

You have a point there.....but did Barry give or lend the money?....what Kerry went through was like a "Triple whamey" (mother, father, business) in a short period of time...but I wonder why Kerry is coming out now....in any case, very sad story....

[@bunnymad5049]

teach hca - love the way you put that.

[@Veaseify]

Cat. WIng - the written option for the Cousins to get a five percent stake in Empire Laboratories Ltd stated that they would become eligible when they were 21. The company was sold before they reached that age so the option is null and void, WInter never had any kind of case.

[@Veaseify]

Winter was eleven years old when Empire was sold, he couldn't possibly have been given any stake in the company or any share in the proceeds from the sale and he knows it. He has had a rough life no doubt and with the drug addiction and failed businesses his self esteem must be at rock bottom but to blame all of his problems on Sherman is self defeating. Even the judge who threw out his case basically said he was deluded.

[@hayaglamazonluxe]

Barry should have just cut the cheque for the cousins, at least for the memory of the uncle who helped him. This murder is within the family not outside.

[@singtweetypie]

Barry worked two summers for his uncle - when he was a teenager. Those children inherited a large amount of money when the trustees sold Empire to Sherman and his partner. Sadly, it appears the money was long gone.

[@rickjohnson9191]

Would stands to inherit? Start there for suspects.

[@cedb7115]

Cant give that much money to a drug addict. U'll feel guilty eventually for doing so. He already gave him 8 millions and he did nothing with it.

[@roblockhart8410]

I just want to know how Kerry could have been given 8 million dollars to start a business and not make a profit lol. He could have just put it in a high interest savings account and done well lol

[@jacknesty1691]

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

[@goldiehussain2631]

Probably blew it all on drugs and handed it all out to the dealers or simply NO BRAIN... why else would he try to sue his cousin who picked him up from drug dens .....

[@chrisvig123]

Barry had many enemies including all those contractors he burned that worked on his home.

[@mckessa17]

Just like Trump.

[@minime6814]

@@mckessa17 Trump 2024.

[@rdjproduction8749]

The real mystery is how did a billionaire end up with a 1999 Mustang

[@22swagnificent]

We'll there great cars that doesn't seem odd at all there so good I have had 2.

[@tennillegordon2247]

Not because you have money doesn’t mean you need to drive a expensive car. Some people spend their wealth on other things.

[@tylercassidy9426]

And no cameras and no bodyguards woth all these enemies something ain't right.....cough cough clinton foundation

[@MiniM69]

Tyler Cassidy Stay classy

[@ardkoreable]

but you dont own 4 billion dollars to dont you hahah

[@Val-mm5gd]

This isn’t a mystery rather a professional hit that will never be solved!

[@angelsantana4358]

Kerry did it. There, I solved it.

[@rebelsnappingturtle5097]

Belts...and from the closet. Doesn't sound professional but maybe requested by their client

[@Val-mm5gd]

@@rebelsnappingturtle5097 if it’s not professional then the case would have been solved years ago!

[@Sarahtk6nh]

I’m surprised that it still hasn’t been solved ! I think people know who did it but maybe the government is involved

[@Specialkxxx]

Inside mole in the police department

[@mariobonni5181]

That type of killing is full of hatred.hired killers mostly stab or used gun but hanging them both is a sign of revenge……

[@joshuariley3243]

Unless the hired killer is a professional as expected. And thus would know to stage the murder as a personal killing to throw off the investigation.

[@persephonespomegranate]

Joshua Riley I agree. We now know the bodies were staged to mimic a sculpture set in the home which is a mocking gesture but I also think it’s a little “too cute” (sorry, I don’t mean that to sound insensitive). I too feel it was a professional hit made to look personal. The motive may have included a personal vendetta to some extent, but this was business IMO. I remember someone saying (was it actually LE or just something spun by the media?) that the likely killers were long out of the country very quickly after the murders. I’ve always assumed LE’s working theory was it was a hired hit and their focus is on business rivals vs family. I can’t imagine they’ll ever crack it though, unfortunately. Just imagine the layers of coverup and hush money in Big Pharma, the family’s $10M reward money could be chump change in comparison. I don’t know if these are decent people or monsters but it doesn’t matter. Every murder victim deserves justice, their families deserve answers and closure.

[@chadchadwick3401]

@@persephonespomegranatena, sounds like this dude got what he deserves. If only someone would do the same to the Sacklers

[@Napalmnate]

I hope they make a movie about this. Nick Cage would make a great/awful Kerry Winters.

[@appletree8441]

Who would play the killers. Bill and Ted

[@zachlyons4952]

Michael Douglas voice

[@Tiberius291]

Robert Downey Jr.

[@julienceaser]

I find Kerry sound more like Michael Douglas

[@danielscissorhands]

@Jannetlynn-Lane Obviously you didn't watch this Video if you don't know who Kerry Winters is

[@almostfamous5225]

The only person who spoke highly of barry was his business partner. Go figure.

[@irishtino1595]

From what I read about this “businessman” he was stealing and circumventing drug patients. He stole thousands of proprietary secrets and used legal loopholes to avoid paying patient royalties. Not a big deal if you are a giant pharma company with a hundred attorneys. However, if you are a small startup this could kill your operation. Time will tell what happened.

[@bokani79]

Do you mean patents?

[@rachelmacdonald723]

I have a friend who worked at Apotex he said Barry Sherman was one ruthless SOB.... MMM can you say Karma?

[@sarahjustice526]

Yes

[@nurgle11]

Most very rich people tend to get rich by being ruthless.

[@scubasteve7283]

It wasn't Karma that killed Sherman and his wife. It was a person....and now since the killer didn't just let Karma do it's job and financially ruin Barry, the killer will be the one receiving bad Karma.

[@humanearthling4661]

@ @@scubasteve7283 -- Whoever did the deed will probably get a seat at the table with whoever dishes out the karma...:)

[@humanearthling4661]

@ @@atikakhadafi7296 ---very cryptic of you in this comment....what do you mean?

[@brookes.6146]

The cousin's voice sounds just like Michael Douglas.

[@wendyknox-leet1034]

Kerry got screwed but I don't think he did it

[@leanderrowe2800]

Agree. He doesn't benefit from their deaths. Their children benefited.

[@ralex3697]

@@leanderrowe2800 He hated Barry’s guts, that is reason enough

[@juliana1672]

Has anyone thought of young, determined Barry being the one who killed his cousin's parents? Just wondering tho.🤔🤔🤔

[@missbearlockholmes]

I was thinking about that.

[@margaretr5701]

The cousins mother had leukemia, it was illness, not murder!

[@whereswaldo511]

I keep slamming my head into the wall every time Kerry keeps implicating himself. It's almost as if he knows something and and is so excited no ones been able to figure it out that he can't help admitting things even if makes him look guilty. Some people need to learn when to shut up.

[@buzzlightyearandco]

He's doing that because he's not credible and is lying about many things.

[@royalloyalty8248]

He just wants publicity

[@djjustice4059]

No doubt. There's a lot to be said for keeping your mouth shut. (You see what I did there?) 🤐

[@Venus-gn5oi]

Such a dramatic character

[@lmc2664]

This Kerry dude seems like just another looser who only wants attention but is too weak to do anything good for himself or else.

[@sherryda2018bb]

What does it mean-to gain this whole world, and lose your soul....

[@daraa151]

There are few people like that out there

[@almost30d54]

If I had so Many enemies made throughout my life i sure would have personal security guard and lots and lots of camera in my gate my house and everywhere and he had the money to do that.

[@tuanngnt]

Correct. Unbelievable not a single camera. CNN confirmed that there was no camera.

[@temporatus6172]

Philanthropists who don't give a penny of their own, but who shame or guilt others on giving! For some reason I don't feel anything about Shermans except for the way they died

[@bgmeadows6085]

Kerry just LOVES being the center of attention.

[@theadventguardexperience5767]

Yup, which makes me think he had nothing to do with it, that's why he's so at ease with being suspected, probably lied about his alibi and if he gets cornered, out will come the cast iron evidence that proves his innocence. Then he'll be a star and can talk about his "personal journey" on whatever the Canadian version of Ellen is. Eh - len!?

[@shellbacksclub]

this show is soo much better than the American made Dateline's or 20/20!

[@vampirzhul8115]

Terrific interviewer, great journalism 👍 To me this story gets even deeper when you add up the Sherman were big into Hydrochloroqyn business and died one year before COVID.

[@madeleinedonaldson4422]

Aha! Here lies a clue The vaccine was for human genocide , and HCQ is a cure? That's huge money for very corrupt big Pharma and generic meds are opposing their ridiculous prices?

[@katiemedley8288]

You get it!!! Exactly my thoughts too

[@jmalin6359]

Heard he offered J Turdo hydrochloraquine for Canadians. Obviously that was against the agends

[@vampirzhul8115]

@@jmalin6359 The agend hehe... In France with Macaron we had this professor Raoult guy who had "miraculous" treatment using hydrochloraquine and azitromicine he found out magically in "2 weeks" lol and likely only army people got access to it lol, also he went into lots of troubles if only for "revealing" the treatment... he did it probably only because his socratic sermnent or something.. dark times indeed... this before Omicron freed us all eventually, lol.

[@canadapainter658]

The Fifth Estate has good shows..... and most times they are right on the dot...I like to watch them..

[@Sparkela53]

My first view on this superb Fith Estate program, of Kerry, was of an adult barely suppressing a petulant child. This is a damaged person, who, with his brothers, deserved support and love from his family-especially the gonif who took over his father’s company. With family, there’s always enough to go around. Even if you have add another cup of water to the stew.

[@jerichothirteen1134]

Nah Trudeau did it

[@zinnia3684]

What kind of a wonderful family do you come from. There’s so much sibling rivalry and underhanded behaviour in my family that I’ve just backed away. None of them can be honest about anything. Sad but not the only family like that.

[@cristineconnell7803]

However I wouldn't keep feeding a drug addict his habit! I am curious if Barry made them get into drug treatment first! Otherwise it's slow assisted suicide, or otherwise termed as enabling!

[@omegala1]

5th estate=MSM

[@omegala1]

​@@jerichothirteen1134 hmmmm! Interesting.

[@mirnavelasquez5787]

He was a selfish man. he didn't even bother to help his cousins after their parents lose. just bought the company and became greedy.

[@royalloyalty8248]

He ruined them and stole their company

[@KetoZenLifestyle]

The thing thats really odd is that Barry Shermans uncle and his wife both died really young of leukemia weeks apart ?? They were the most successful pharma at that time so did anyone not question this?

[@martinahaskell924]

My thoughts exactly.

[@hoosierdaddy8002]

That kind of money you would think he would have a bodyguard 24/7

[@singtweetypie]

Did you not notice that he drives a 1999 Mustang? They were not extravagant people. However, I also thought it was crazy that they didn't have security monitors.

[@Arco961]

Hoosier Daddy that kind of money your body guard will kill you

[@hotties3v3n]

Lol

[@bridgetcox3593]

He must have been pretty tight, but then the plans for the new house, so over the top! And for a 75 and 70 year old. What do they need all that for? And they don’t even have security gates and cameras at the place they’re living??

[@chrisnortney420]

Hoosier Daddy in

[@jonjames7328]

Wikipedia quotes Barry Sherman as saying he had no belief in a meaning for human life or morality. It seems this is how he conducted his business and personal life. Perhaps he was an utterly despicable human being.

[@btd3375]

Sociopath?

[@oxfordpictionary]

If you read the book about him, his family members describe him as having Asperger’s and just not really feeling in touch with other’s emotions

[@Specialkxxx]

He didn’t believe in God. He was an atheist Everyone is entitled to their beliefs

[@mistieblue9]

Thank You Fifth Estate! Well done!

[@omegala1]

5th estate=MSM

[@craiganderson3205]

How many ppl has he ruined

[@maryannemelenka9250]

Fifth Estate one of the best news magazines in North America.. I like better then 60 minutes. My late father dedicated to show o. Sunday evening s. His ritual !

[@barbm2375]

Two of the richest people in Canada get an awful lot of attention when other more ordinary, more poor...get passed over.

[@freddiehubbard1460]

B M Does that surprise you in any way?

[@realkushman]

It's interesting because you'd expect a billionaire would have better security than people with way less money.

[@connor8172]

Yes because they were much more well known than random poor people who died around the same time.

[@JohnJones-ec2ew]

Welcome to life..

[@Adm6475]

**Canadia

[@briankoski2532]

Thanks for another interesting story. I can't wait for part #2.

[@c_farther5208]

I believe Winters when he says Barry had at least considered killing his wife.

[@stephaniehunter3251]

Wow

[@lenitaa7938]

Why did they have so little security for their home and themselves? Being so rich and so many hateful lawsuits.. ought to have been smarter to get more security! Not even a guard dog!?

[@nerfherder5129]

1:21 I wonder if the person that did it, is sat within that crowd.

[@marquisfarmer8059]

Yes they are

[@zacharypropps3861]

Probally

[@sheilareza2188]

This program has been the best I've watched on this case.. thanks.

[@philthytanks4952]

I like how Kerry talks about his family’s greed, yet he’s the one who was generously given over 8 million dollars in money he may never have been asked to repay but then sued who gave it to him n is mad now that he’s forced to pay it back after trying to screw dude over and then goes further into making up lies

[@AscendVista]

The 8 million was a loan which he wanted them to pay back.

[@bunnymad5049]

Phil R....I agree. While Barry was calling it a loan, it didn't sound like it he was going to demand it back. He shouldn't have screwed over his cousins though.

[@ellietobe]

The cousins were off doing drugs and wasting their lives when their father's original company was sold. Their cousin set them up in a multi million dollar business that they never would have been given an opportunity to have otherwise. Of course their cousin expected them to pay back the loans but they never would have gotten those loans otherwise. Kerry and his brother were losers. They got far more than what that original company was worth. Nobody forced them to take those loans. That is how business is done. You can bet their dead cousin borrowed plenty to get his new business going. Kerry has a seething UNJUSTIFIED hate for his cousin.

[@ryanmike7103]

Phil R r

[@valarmorghulis5575]

Because they are supposed to be given 5% and honey 15 mils is nothing compared to that 5%. Plus its his dad’s last will that was disrespected

[@josephdodd5770]

Rich people who build a 20000 square foot homes for about 20 million dollars is wasteful.

[@Latabrine]

I've never understood that. How can a house like that, feel like a home? So wasteful 😐

[@appletree8441]

Annndd you missed the point

[@catherinemeyers2995]

@ and yet the workers are also disgusted with the wanton waste of space when smaller would have sufficed.

[@joeya6795]

20k square feet home for 20 million is nothing. That's small-time, frugal spending. I don't think the Shermans ever even broke the top-1000 richest in the world. Just remember, there're always many, many more people richer and spend more lavishly.

[@lovecats6856]

If he wants to blow his money like that, I don't care. No one has to give money to the relatives. I live in a 900sq ft house, my income is less than $20,000/ year. I am not jealous.

[@bayram493]

A billionaire driving a mustang in December ( in Toronto) that’s the first red flag

[@emmanuelzepernick7209]

The son did it!

[@colette6984]

What a terrifying way to die. I hope that this is solved because no one should take a life of another.

[@llhannah9297]

The Winter guy had motive and should be a suspect but he appears very honest in the interview. He's very straightforward, not shifty.

[@Derek34267]

I live right next to their neighbourhood, I drove by their house and it was tapped up with a cruiser parked outside, an officer was going inside the house, gives me the chills.

[@melissaperrotta1054]

Velcro Ripper same. Very eerie to see the police tape and cruisers outside.

[@essgee4225]

You must be rich, can you lend me some money

[@Inquisitor2024]

And you just HAD to let the world know " I'm rich look where I live " 😂😂😂

[@DanielWilliamIronside]

But shouldn't Barry Sherman have been responsible for giving the cousins 20% when he did sell Empire?

[@singtweetypie]

No, the stipulation was that they would work in the company at age 21 and IF they were of value to the company, they could PURCHASE a 5% share after two years. When Sherman and his 50/50 partner Joel Ulster sold Empire - the new buyers would never accept or honour those terms. So many details missing from this report.

[@DanielWilliamIronside]

singtweetypie Thanks for that.

[@beatricesilver1090]

It had no value when he died. It was folded. Sherman built up a new company. Those children most likely got life insurance from both parents from their deaths.

[@marylee5011]

Legally he should have to do that" because he sold the entire Estate without their legal consent even though they were minors at the time of sale' He had signed a legal document before hand claiming that he would give them each 5% which should have caused him to forfeit any legal rights to any use of the Uncles Companies name and or Properties . It should have been turned over to his cousins Automatically. However when you have Money " You also have a Wealth of Unhealthy circumstances that can potentially cause you Death.

[@richardernsberger5692]

@@singtweetypie Sherman should have insisted that the new owners accept the original terms concerning the boys; that would have been an obligation of his, no?

[@natashaone7221]

Love your neighbours, give generously, be kind

[@Jachimma]

I suspect the friend/business partner had something to do with their deaths...and that it was more than one person at their house that night.

[@twilatharp3386]

It would be a better job of investigative journalism to reveal whether or not Mr. DeAngelo (?) stands to benefit from the loss of his partner. Lots of filler time with Kerry Winter here that is just misleading.

[@essentiallythis9249]

Hakuna Matata he's a sociopath.

[@imranahmed2638]

Nah, it was the kids - old fart weren't gonna kick the bucket any time soon, so the kids just helped them along to the pearly gates

[@vishyswa]

Jach . . . I also have suspicions about the business partner. He seemed to be acting, especially the "love ya" part.

[@theemeraldcity94]

Jachimma I was thinking the same thing. He seemed straight out of the mob.

[@Fallingxleaves]

There' something off about Kerry. When he talks about planning to kill Barry's wife, it's way too dramatic. He seems to be using that story as a ploy. It also seems he is looking to the right while speaking there, which indicates he is possibly trying to recall a prepared speech rather than a memory. The motives are there. He is a recovering drug addict with deep emotional trauma from his childhood, and is now under the pressure of owing 8 million to a man when he originally thought he would be the grand recipient. Also: wearing a shirt that says "never saw it coming" during a lie detector test...subliminal, much? And you could tell he did lots of research on lie detectors before..

[@functionalist]

Sometimes I look to the right when I'm reflecting or thinking deeply and speaking to someone at the same time. But besides that, those are some good points.

[@micherunnett5492]

Torontonian's can have an affect for drama by over articulating my whole family is from there it seems common.

[@Lionforaday]

Whether you do it or not is neither here nor there - it's scientifically shown to be something people do when they're being deceitful; the field is neuro-linguistic programming (NLP).

[@Charharr]

J Rae - I have a PhD in Visual Perception. It certainly has not been scientifically proven. The opposite is true. Here's a nice article about it: www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/myth-busted-looking-left-or-right-doesnt-indicate-if-youre-lying-1922058/ And there's is nothing scientific about Neurolinguistic Programming, either. It has nothing to do with the brain. There is no scientific evidence for any of it's claims, and it's widely discredited as pseudoscience. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming#Scientific_criticism

[@danielmurphy3058]

He lost his credibility, when he lied about wacking his wife. I don't like this guy. He is full of himself.

[@CarrieAnn77]

The fact that he is wearing a shirt that says "never saw it coming". As he's failing a lie detector test is so funny. Hahaha :-)

[@CarrieAnn77]

Hakuna Matata How do you know that it was Warren intentionally?

[@CarrieAnn77]

Angel Johnson thx... Lol. I thought that was just too funny.. Too ironic. LOL😂

[@CarrieAnn77]

Hakuna Matata wow you sound so high-and-mighty. I do believe in coincidences. And I don't think someone would be that stupid as to flaunt in the face of the police while they're failing a lie detector test that they're the one that did it. That would be quite dumb of someone to do. But maybe they do it intentionally. Maybe it was some consciously. Who knows. But you didn't have to be such an a******. You need to get off your high horse and come back to reality. As if you're someone so special. And unlike the rest of us. LOL

[@johnfelman5117]

The cousin is the most likely suspect.

[@JoawMebs-im6ix]

Lol. Chris Watts approved shirt

[@pepperann5766]

This is so sad. The police first thought it was suicide murder, but not anymore. My heart goes out too their children. How horrific, I so hope the killer or killers are caught soon.

[@nikikane7811]

Off course his cousin hates him! He used their inosocence and stole their fathers legacy!

[@yourdaughterdoesanal2650]

The cousin's killed them 💯

[@buzzlightyearandco]

No he purchased Empire (his uncle's company), briefly turned it around, then sold it. He started another company Apotex and that is where he built his actual wealth

[@leanderrowe2800]

@@buzzlightyearandco He was in drug business all his life, so if he turned the company around, there's no need to sell it. The only reason he sold the original company is to avoid his legal obligation to give certain percentage to his orphaned cousins ( which was one of the conditions for the children's mother to sell the company to Barry before she died.) The original company was gone, it no longer existed, WHAT PERCENTAGE ? He was a very clever and evil man who double crossed everyone in his life. But to do that to the children of someone who was so kind to him when he was orphaned ? mentoring him and teaching him the business ? That's the part that angers me, not so much as his dirty business deals !

[@steph7139]

@@leanderrowe2800 Companies are sold every single day for corporate, tax, strategic, logistic and other dozens of reasons. Your conclusion has absolutely no basis, you’re suggesting something without even having the whole company’s picture...

[@ManAcadie]

I like how the recreation of him driving back home is him driving a 2,000$ mustang 😂

[@sissia.5121]

Why is that amusing? Do you like Mustangs?

[@kushkast9542]

Sherman never flaunted his Money he always drove ratty cars

[@PatrickFDolan]

​@@kushkast9542A 16,000 sq ft home is definitely flaunting.

[@kushkast9542]

@@PatrickFDolan I mean I guess, but it’s not like he was bragging about it lol

[@ArthurB26]

He actually did drive a cheap Mustang, I don't know why. Maybe he thought it made him seem humble to his employees? 😂

[@raysand2557]

"He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword." Amazing how truthful biblical verses are.` Barry Sherman lived by the sword.

[@chrisj8526]

So they center this around his drug addicted cousin who lied about everything lol what was the point of this?

[@MassivePonyFan]

Maybe they kind think he did it...

[@WallyTony]

This was so pointless.

[@Jasmineliketheflower]

That's why i disliked. I watched this on 2x speed and still was a waste of time. I wanted to know more about how their bodies were found, autopsies, police interviews, how the house was, why there wasn't cctv etc.

[@yorzemog4430]

THEY SHOULD INVESTIGATE BARRY”s BUSINESS PARTNER ???👍🏼

[@daniellez.2462]

This seems a bit below the usual standard of 5th Estate mini-docs. Maybe this aired sooner after the crime than other episodes? There seemed to be a whole other side to the story with the family that seems overlooked. Can anyone corroborate Kerry's claim that Barry hated her? Are the other cousins cleared as suspects--are they clean from drug use? What about the next of kin--that's always the starting point for police. Did they clear the son? What's in the will... ? So many unanswered questions--I'm hoping for an update as the investigation continues.

[@constituenta5293]

The youngest of the four cousins died of a heroin overdose at age 33.

[@MiniM69]

Drug addicts usually aren’t criminal masterminds and would leave a host of evidence

[@charlieross-BRM]

I'm not even going to watch it. Right from the start the narrator uses a cheesy tabloid style voice. Then I realize the voice is Bob McKeown. He's generally been a good journalist and I used to never miss a Fifth Estate but this production sounds and looks like tabloid fodder. I am listening to a March 2023 podcast by CBC which interviews all kinds of associates in a non-intrusive way. It runs for hours. Kerry Winter is a real number in that podcast too.

[@bunnymad5049]

Kerry is really enjoying this....a bit much? The more he talks the less I believe him.

[@canadianroot]

You're stalking EVERYBODY who has even the slightest doubt about Kerry, huh? Got a dog in this fight? I see you replied to me earlier, with vitriol and zero debating skills. I can't find that comment now. KZbin is wonky of late. It's one thing to think the guy ought to be considered a suspect, and another thing entirely to proclaim him guilty because he knowingly spun a yarn while undergoing a lie detector test, which, you have to admit, does seem odd. If he had been unaware of facts, then the test wouldn't have detected deception. Maybe he IS innocent, but his behaviour certainly deserves scrutiny. Calling people idiots just makes you look like one yourself.

[@Lionforaday]

Apparently guilty people have a tendency to provide "to much information," and to say things like, "In fact..." or "Actually..." as though they're trying to be candid with you, and share information they don't need to. I guess we'll wait to see how it plays out, but I agree with you - he seems guilty, and had more motive than anyone else. I've no doubt the couple had other enemies, but you have to *really* hate someone to actually kill them.

[@bridgetcox3593]

He had a lot of reasons to wish Barry dead. But so did so many others. The fact he’s being so candid and talking about means I don’t think he did do it. How could you plan almost what seems to be the perfect murder and then go and spill to the press about everything you hated about this guy. Doesn’t add up.

[@canadianroot]

No, it doesn't add up, but maybe that's a guilty man's approach to it, thinking, "If I just admit that I hated the guy, the cops will think there's no way I did it, because it would be foolish to expose oneself like that". I have no idea whether he did it or not. I've never met him. His interviews are pretty bizarre, though. He comes off like a narcissist, and a less than average actor. I hope they solve the case quickly.

[@Lionforaday]

I thought exactly the same thing. I thought, if I were guilty, what would I do? I certainly wouldn't act guilty - slinking around, avoiding the press, pulling the shades down, so to speak. I'd think, that's what guilty people do? Then, I'd do the opposite. But if I was really smart (and this guy's not), it would occur to me that other people might figure this strategy out. You nailed it - the guy's a narcissist, and thinks he's the "smartest guy in the room."

[@daraa151]

“Who hated them enough”? The better question would be, who didn’t hate them?

[@jansaugh7348]

More questions than answers?? The most understood question and answer comes down to money and greed.

[@junejune1031]

His t shirt says “never saw it coming” 😬

[@magickmoi1261]

June June I noticed that and it feels sinister

[@akielchemichi]

Hahahaha! This winter guy is the real life Joker lol

[@1CoastProductionComp]

It says more then that look at the center logo

[@olakinrimisi6053]

Have to admit I like this show, for just laying out the facts without personal opinions of the reporter leaking through, just observation. Also love the subtlety of Winter's shirt. Did not see it coming, indeed.

[@shellbacksclub]

how did such a paranoid guy not have surveillance cameras throughout the house!? 😦

[@ashton0966]

Too cheap perhaps ?

[@cac3343]

Did they really not have security cameras? Craziness. If I was that rich I'd have the most secure house in the world.

[@magickmoi1261]

They had security cameras and Honey had them turned off that day

[@cac3343]

Do we know why they were turned off? This case drives me crazy. @@magickmoi1261

[@JaskanFactor]

@@cac3343 youre never gon get truth about state execution

[@Carolinec222]

Barry rarely sees his cousins doesn’t seem to be too close to them, BUT he trusts Kerry enough to ask him to hire a hit man??? That’s BS.

[@calvinweeder1067]

Not close to him but 'loans' him 8 million dollars. Your logic only works if you leave out the facts.

[@waynejohnson1786]

Pretty sure his story about the Hitman is just him trying to look "tough". He's basically saying "I know people, I'm connected". Maybe he thinks whoever killed his cousin might try and kill him to so he's trying to scare them off lol

[@2299mikey]

Kyle Angelo well he’s also a drug addict that’s broke and could’ve easily been bought.

[@brendakabanda2181]

@@calvinweeder1067 exactly

[@calvinweeder1067]

Moonbeam444 said: "Disagree. Lending money doesn't denote closeness". Sure, if you're borrowing from a bank. We're talking about a guy who lent $8 million to someone with no collateral. Getting back to the point, trying to hire a hitman doesn't require any more "closeness" than lending $8million to someone with no collateral, and in my opinion would require considerably less.

[@smilodon87]

Lesson #1 from this story: To be a great Canadian, you have to make ridiculous amounts of money then give a small portion of it to the right people (politicians), and a bit to other unmentioned charities. Then those political recipients publicly deem you a great Canadian, although your reputation is one of being "ruthless". Okay, I get it.

[@ClerRose]

NOSSA,,Canada eh isso///

[@memi4586]

Ya that's lesson number 1 from this story. This is why some people need sock puppets to tell a story

[@essgee4225]

Canada is a terrible country, built on capitalism. If you’re not wealthy, you’re nobody.

[@somalien9447]

😂😂😂

[@Specialkxxx]

You sound bitter

[@brenda3d2]

How strange to take a polygraph on film for tv. As a Canadian, I am embarrassed by these types of crimes in our country. I detest people who enjoy litigation. The interviews in public coffee shops and restaurants are also an odd choice. Looking forward to what Abel Danger is going to report on these people.

[@susierob293]

rich from other peoples misery.

[@deidrakearley5435]

susie ron

[@susierob293]

?

[@ashton0966]

susie rob Right. A typical scumbag.

[@crystalanderson7522]

Shut up, you do not know these people! Do not judge.

[@nikkinonose9316]

Well this is horseshit,they said he was being investigated for illegal election contributions at the start and then ignored it for the whole show..Trudeau had him dumped cos he was gonna start chirpin

[@joshr9740]

Tbh, they sound like the type of people society wont miss.

[@barblk1420]

I'd like to know why his parents died.

[@constituenta5293]

This is really tragic, and also suspicious. Found the whole story here: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5327391/Canadian-tycoon-killed-wife-says-cousin.html

[@MrRobster1234]

Well, a few mink can sleep soundly tonight.

[@zachlyons4952]

He sounds just like Michael Douglas

[@isaacbuzaglo7834]

Too much attention on Kerry.

[@MrXclusivE12]

No one forced him to talk!

[@sonjaheck3156]

I noticed after watching some of these episodes that Toronto police just call any deaths "suicides" regardless of if even make remote sense.

[@Specialkxxx]

Mark Saunders terrible poloe chief

[@TheWorstCharacter]

I’d say their son or some drug cartel he had unfinished business with.. drug cartels are very close involved with pharmaceuticals and they know how to clean a mess..

[@marquisfarmer8059]

I was thinking the son also

[@noneofyourbusinessna740]

the mafia maybe was involved or the vatican assassins reminds me of jfk and other US presidents that were taken out for some reasons

[@TheWorstCharacter]

Who knows.. maybe the had the vaccines for the COVID-19 or they had the virus it was very weird that we don’t hear about this news and it was kind of a big deal..

[@noneofyourbusinessna740]

@@TheWorstCharacter yes me and you live in a world where we have to make a living these billionaires live in a totally different world stabbing eachother in the back greed and money and evil

[@sissia.5121]

Why wouldn't they just shoot them instead of using belts and staging the two. Sounds like a serial killers doings.

[@sharonrobinson4718]

Hard to feel bad for these two.

[@sub222marathon]

Sharon Robinson you've got that right.

[@sharonrobinson4718]

Noble Grand you sound crazy.

[@praggypopsqa4652]

I was thinking something similar, like it might be karma. Why do people have to be ruthless?

[@mickeyronney4255]

I agree

[@14gt1]

Why didn't they have security cameras ???? For people who were hated and very wealthy ... you'd think they would have had cameras ??

[@Miacorr]

I had same the question, too. But then I thought about it and wondered if there would maybe be some kind of evidence, on camera, of the hidden cohorts they associated with. I realize that their money could buy the best closed and non wifi surveillance, but to have a risk of that being hacked? Dunno.

[@14gt1]

CWUWC QT yeah possibly but it seems that Barry knew someone was after him. Maybe he thought it would never happen... or maybe he wanted it to happen? There are just so many possibilities. If I was in his situation and truly had concerns for my safety/ families safety, I would make sure to have security cameras on ever corner inside and outside of that house. It's a very complex situation. Something seems off.

[@haterzmakeifamos]

Dazzledwithlove better off hiring a security firm

[@gulfy09]

Dazzledwithlove cuz there cheap jews all he cared about was making fucken 💰

[@avivagreenwald1752]

Dazzledwithlove , assassins can deal with cameras too. It's their profession. Also, If they had cameras they could just do it elsewhere, Barry knew that.

[@Juanita-gf4te]

If I was that rich and suspected someone was after me my house would be a fortress. I'd have armed guards inside and out 24/7....they would have their own living quarters. I'd have cameras everywhere covering front, back and side doors both inside and out. Nobody would ever be allowed in. Not relatives or friends or business partners. Meetings could be held in public in restaurants with my bodyguards around, so would social visits. I'd also live in a smaller home where there were no hiding places, inside or out.

[@meghamer3065]

Everyone says I love you before they died....yes right