The Myth of Communist Unity during the Cold War

Our historical documentary series on the history of the Cold War continues with a video in which we are trying to debunk a myth that the communist countries acted as a single front. We will try to show the differences between Yugoslavia, USSR, and China, both ideologically and economically.
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[@nemeczek67]

When I was a kid in commie Poland I was baffled when I read in a newspaper about military hostilities between China and Vietnam. I could not understand how two socialist countries could fight each other.

[@firaxolegirein9816]

People feel that somethings with a common distinctive feature, is all the same That's how the cross-race effect happens

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

Capitalist countries were always at war with each other.

[@firaxolegirein9816]

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 , it's always about the profit No matter the ideology

[@Kabutoes]

I mean Argentina and the UK fought each other and they were on the same side of the spectrum

[@GUNROCKS1990]

1,000 years war with China?

[@johnl.7754]

“Buckets of Sunshine” ☀️ 🌞

[@williamchamberlain2263]

Mutually assured sunshine

[@TheCat48488]

Which sunshine? The one you eat or throw?

[@Matteo_Licata]

I was about to make the same comment :) Brilliant piece of writing indeed

[@rinzo2009]

Buckets of Sunshine. Don't worry Comrades. There's enough lemonade to go around.

[@justintr4888]

@@Matteo_Licata I'd love to know how many takes it took to deliver that line without chuckling. This guy's deadpan delivery of lines like that is great.

[@TheHoagie13]

Yugoslavia's Profile Status: *_"It's Complicated..."_*

[@tomsommer8372]

Not really. Pure, evil communism, just like China, with a western style economy (in some parts) to help feed their people to save themselves from uprisings.

[@cruchot555]

@@tomsommer8372 Tom is absolutely right and I say this as someone who was born in raised in that wretched country.

[@metaphorpritam]

@NilatS Same as any other communist bureaucrat.

[@metaphorpritam]

@NilatS LOLzzxx...My grandfather was a communist revolutionary and I live in West Bengal with 35 years of communist rule.....LOLzzzxxx....Is that a good enough source, bootlicker?

[@metaphorpritam]

@NilatS '"communism" never existed there,' Stateless Classless Uropia is never achievable......It is just a ruse to gain gain power. Also, it was never communism vs Capitalism, it is about centralization vs Decentralization, Individual vs the collective, Control at what scale is the question........ LOLzzxx.....There are communists here too,,....People are delusional..

[@Xerxezkov]

You missed a good chance to include Sino-Vietnam relationship, another false unity in Communist bloc.

[@badluck5647]

I hope there is video a of Communist Vietnam's conflict (including war) with Communist Cambodia and China. Edit: I originally said Laos instead of Cambodia

[@dairebulson7122]

@@badluck5647 You mean Vietnam and Cambodia, right? Laos was generally aligned with Vietnam and the USSR, though it didn't directly participate in the war against Khmer Rouge Cambodia. For a number of years in the 1980s, China did support Hmong rebels against Laos The defeat of the Khmer Rouge led to the establishment of the People's Republic of Kampuchea, aligned with Vietnam, Laos, and the Soviets, and a curious "Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea" composed of the Khmer Rouge, Sihanouk royalists, and Khmer nationalist/pro-US KPNLF which was supported by Thailand, China, and the US

[@bj3040]

Vietnam was Russia's proxy, it was sino-russian war.

[@trojanthedog]

We realised early on that Communism was just as nationalistic as any other system.

[@badluck5647]

@@trojanthedog Maybe more so. Most capitalist are willing to do unpatriotic things to make money. Just look at Disney's and other western corporations' willingness to do anything the Chinese Communist Party wants in exchange for market access.

[@thelovertunisia]

Henri Kissinger was among the first politicians to recognise the Sino-Soviet split and to capitalise on it.

[@maxmeggeneder8935]

One of the first whose name we still remember today. Back then all of the western intelligence agencies through themselves on that topic to weaken and divide the socialist block and the international communist movements. Covert operations, "Maoist" groups, parties and newspapers established directly by the CIA or West German intelligence. Many "Maoist" parties had more professional spies than actual members from 1960 onward. Until Maoism became popular after 1968 and new parties and groups were established. This time by actual communists, but still loaded with infiltrators and spies.

[@michaelra275]

I was going to say. That underestimates Washington. They knew damn right well there was a split. How to exploit it was a bigger question.

[@thelovertunisia]

@@michaelra275 Well, often bureacratic latency prevents good decisions from being taken everywhere in the world.

[@meilinchan7314]

Took Nixon to see it although USA paid a heavy price for it.

[@thelovertunisia]

@@meilinchan7314 Yes but the US has the luxury of wasting resources that we others don't have. The USSR wasted itself to death. Moreover we here in Tunisia had a socialist period and we found the biggest problem with these systems is that since everybody is state employed and cannot be licensed they do not give a shit about productivity and also squander the resources since it is not theirs.

[@sankarchaya]

I always found it ironic that Mao's anger at Khrushchev's revisionism in the 50s and 60s in the long run led to him making a sort of deal with the devil with Nixon and Kissinger.

[@johnd2058]

I always found it ironic that Mao, a Communist, preferred peasants over industrial proletarians, let alone proceeded to call _other_ Communists "revisionist".

[@blueberrypirate3601]

Largely because Mao saw his own creed as vehemently superior to Moscow and look where it went. Today Putins just as wary of Chinese clout on his eastern borders as Brezhnev was in the 60s and Gorby in the 80s.

[@Nelsonwmj]

One thing common between Mao and Kissinger was how brutally realistic both of them were. Mao was in many ways just like Kissinger, except he got more and more batshit crazy and megalomanic as he aged badly.

[@Newbmann]

@@blueberrypirate3601 it doesn't help that Chinese diplomats recently "reminded Russia about Haishenwai" Yeah there's still bitterness about Vladivostok being russian of all things on China's side. So China's continuing to give russia reasons to be wary.

[@black10872]

@@Newbmann sooner or later they will fight. It's all a matter of timing.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

6:58 I thought "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" was created by Deng Xiaoping after he adopted capitalist/mercantile economic policies

[@kadarrosa9926]

It was

[@accent1666]

Maoism?

[@arrow1414]

The phrase is being reused by the CCP for today's policies.

[@davidw.2791]

Arrow 1 For continuity, they’re trying to add new stuff (e.g. Jiang Ze Min’s “Three Representing’s” but they never deny Deng Xiaoping’s founding efforts.

[@quisqueyanguy120]

It was

[@giannb5145]

Important to note that at the height of Sino-Soviet split (there was even actual fighting between Russians and Chinese in 1969), there was cooperation between China and the Soviet Union in two very important fronts: joint support for Viet-Cong, and for PLO (Yasser Arafat was one smart guy, receiving arms and money from Ultra-Communist Mao and Ultra-Islamist King Faisal at the same time...).

[@JenniferinIllinois]

"Buckets of sunshine" - OMG that's a fine description of nukes. 🤣🤣🤣

[@lordsleepyhead]

When I was a kid in western Europe Yugoslavia was actually the good socialist country that you could actually travel to or trade with. Many holidays were had in Yugoslavia and they were all awesome.

[@12D_D21]

Yugoslavia was also the most successful socialist nation economically; despite being a dictatorship, it was the least repressive out of all the European ones; and they were one of the least ideological, most pragmatic countries of the time. Ultimately, Yugoslavia collapsed more because of ethnic tensions and an economic recession that would’ve happened any way. I’m actually surprised how there aren’t more socialists advocating for a more Yugoslav system

[@battlefield3112011]

Same thing with North Vietnam, China and Soviet Union. It is no secret that North Vietnam preferred dealing with the Soviets because of our history toward China (thousands of years trying to invade and occupied Vietnam).

[@Apodeipnon]

@lati long interestingly ROC troops actually stayed in Indochina and neighboring countries for decades afterwards, they got involved in the drug trade with the US and their agencies. But the ROC troops in Vietnam really have nothing to do with the PRC. The US tries to get Vietnam on their side by empathizing and exploring this supposed rivalry between China and Vietnam, they even have illusions of putting a military base in Vietnam.

[@hughmungus1767]

@lati long A Vietnamese couple that I know personally had stayed in Vietnam after South Vietnam collapsed in 1975 but when China invaded in 1979, they left via a small boat because they didn't want him drafted into the war. They became "boat people" and wound up in Canada where I got to know them.

[@VonFreklstein]

The Khmer Rouge - Vietnamese war isnt mentioned but its essential: the autarkist nationalist regimes like the Maoist China, the DPRK and Romania supported the Khmer Rouge (like the US and UK). Moscow and its allies supported Vietnam. In the cold war the US supported the dar more brutal and extremist side of the "communist division"

[@niefanx]

US “support” of the Khmer Rouge is yet another myth. In reality the "support" simply means the US fought its enemy Vietnam. There was no verbal, moral or physical support. China was the biggest backer of the Khmer Rouge and US wasn't hostile to the Khmer Rouge specifically because of China(because it want china on its side against the USSR). China invaded Vietnam by large to counter Vietnam's invasion in Cambodia which were to topple the Khmer Rouge. In the whole fiasco Vietnam is the only good guy.

[@terrorgaming459]

@A Velsen its true

[@cevinzeke5110]

@@terrorgaming459 *bro, just trust me bro.* Basically you right now

[@AgusSimoncelli]

@A Velsen How about the USA voting for like 20 years, even after the Khmer Rouge totally lost control of Cambodia, for the Rouge to retain Cambodia UN seat, effectively making it the legitimate govt in it's eyes? Or the US publicly giving money and weapons to groups that fought Vietnam and the Vietnam friendly govt, while openly being in coalition with the Rouge? Oh, the US assures us that no aid actually went to the Rouge, just to the coalition lead by them, but trust them bro. That's what in the open, nothing covert. Then we go on to the covert stuff allegations, which go from directly arming the Rouge, to pressuring China to arm the Rouge so they wouldn't have to do it themselves, to blocking an effort from the ASEAN to hold elections bc they wanted a Rouge and allies puppet govt to counter Vietnam. And all this comes from either american journalist and a Singaporean diplomat, not exactly you're typical communist propaganda outlet. Even the US DOD admitted to some aid accidentally going to the Rouge, but trust them, just a little. There's 0 doubt the US supported the Rouge. The only question is how much, and it ranges from some, if you somehow believe the US DOD version, to a lot, if you believe literally anyone else.

[@可爱包-c4v]

The United States just hate Vietnam. If aliens fight with Vietnamese, the United States also supports aliens.

[@mrtrailesafety]

Mao’s problem was visiting the USSR and falling in love with Stalinism. But always being a junior partner to the USSR. Atomic weapons changed everything. Then the Ussuri River border wars, etc.

[@StalinTheMan0fSteel]

Yeah, Mao saw Khrushchev as a weakling and Khrushchev saw Mao as an embarrassment to legitimizing Communism a modern true ideology and he also saw China as a glorified banana republic.

[@mojewjewjew4420]

@@StalinTheMan0fSteel Krushchev was right tho unlike mao

[@可爱包-c4v]

Mao doesn't like Stalinism, but he likes personal worship. In fact, Mao likes Japan's way of economic construction.

[@mikewilliams9069]

Both are weakpeewsies

[@hanzup4117]

Oh my God, I got a heart! I've been with this channel since day one, but I never thought this would happen :') Cheers to everyone at CW! Right back at you ❤️ Love your stuff and cannot wait to see what you have planned for the future.

[@TheColdWarTV]

two hearts now

[@hanzup4117]

@@TheColdWarTV You made my sucky day a little less sucky :)

[@LookingEastChannel]

Haha. Great stuff indeed. As a child of the cold war era, so much to learn. Keep up the good work!

[@SeppukuPlatinum]

just wanted to say how much i love your videos. they are genuinely excellent and have been for a long time. seriously awesome work

[@marius_m.]

A few missing topics: The Hungarian Revolution, The Invasion of Czechoslovakia, Romania's denunciation of soviet occupation of Czechoslovakia, Poland's Solidarity Movement

[@nemrody7828]

Should have included Romanian-Soviet relations. While formally a Warsaw Pact member, Romania did all it could to distance itself from it, starting in the 1960s. It got to the point where Romania would get involved in proxy wars against the USSR, and build good relations with the West to the detriment of its socialist neighbours.

[@eruno_]

"Socialism with Chinese characteristics" was not Mao, but Deng Xiaoping idea

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

Correct very bad mistake from this channel

[@grassic]

He doesn't say Mao said that, he says the system "would come to be called socialism with chinese characteristics", meaning in the future

[@tomsommer8372]

Absolutely. Mao was pure Stalinism, complete with atrocities and purges. Now, they shifted - for now - to economic warfare against the West while engaging in an arms race to conquer the free world.

[@roisingtommy]

rebranded by Xi

[@msmsmsms8515]

bro goofed hard

[@haenselundgretel654]

What a perfect episode! I'm really enjoying all of your awesome episodes!

[@evilgenius919]

Interesting to know that Yugoslavia was doing more of a market socialist thing. I remember the videos you did on the personal fallout between Tito & Stalin has there been a more detailed look at Yugoslavian market socialism. If not I'd be very interested in finding out more

[@kostam.1113]

I am from ex-Yugoslavia Yugoslav economy was pretty advanced when compared to other Eastern Bloc countries With higher standards of living and much more freedom But it still greatly suffered from classical socialist drawbacks That were greatly exaggerated by negative effects of capitalism that was creeping in And also massive wealth and development inequality that later destroyed the country For example Slovenia had pretty high standards of living comparable to Austria while Kosovo was comparable to Africa

[@Jay-ho9io]

"Shithousery" Excellent.

[@ether49]

Socialism with Chinese characteristics is not Mao's idea. it is Deng Xiaoping's. Mao's work is called Mao Zedong thought. Socialism with Chinese characteristics refers specifically to market based reforms which were undertaken by Deng and harshly opposed by Mao during his life.

[@可爱包-c4v]

You are right

[@yourstruly4817]

I wonder what would've happened if NATO and Warsaw Pact clashed, would the Poles, Czechoslovakians etc been loyal to Russia? Especially East Germany, how keen would they have been on fighting their West German brothers?

[@pupska23]

Personally I think that's a very interesting question. I think that a clash would almost certainly cause civilians in Eastern Bloc to take advantage of most military personnel being deployed to or near combat zones. Though depends on the individual country... i.e. I don't think the Stasi in East Germany wouldn't shy away from using lethal force though Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary would perhaps have the internal descent not be dealt with as heavy handedly so to say. Also the time period would play a big part with IMO if the clash was in the early 50s or late 80s there'd be more likely than not to have more dissent than if the clash was in the 60s, 70s, or early 80s.

[@command_unit7792]

East German Army was very loyal generally the polish Army during the Stalin era also was decently loyal. The East German army was spacificly noted to be very brutal against the uprisings in Hungary and czechoslovakia.

[@pupska23]

@@command_unit7792 exactly why I think the DDR would have internal dissent not effect their military capabilities substantially, being a minor inconvenience at the most. Plus the DDR after the USSR had the most capable soldiers.

[@pupska23]

@@savagedarksider5934 Now that's a scenario with so many variables and possibilities of outcome that it would take at least a few hours for me to even think over. Though I'll say this... the world would be VERY different from where we're at presently.

[@pupska23]

@@savagedarksider5934 I don't know if I'd say that. But who knows, that's one big can of worms.

[@EdMcF1]

I remember in the 1980s getting on a train leaving Paris to go south-east and a whole carriage was full of Yugoslav 'guest workers', one family was taking a load of luggage back to Yugoslavia including a washing machine, quite a feat.

[@xowurb]

Its was because they preferred a western goods instead of home technology, which was also very good. Its called fashion :)

[@carlosramos-yf8ns]

@@xowurb no, it was a show off. "look, neighbor, i am working in france (germany, austria...) and i have my mercedes, bosch washing machine, house on 4 floors with the cement lions/gargoyles on the porch roaring, and you, pathetic piece of shit?"

[@louismartinez7040]

This is an interesting subject something often misunderstood by people. I remember reading about how Americans said that all communist countries were controlled by Moscow but most if not all communist nations, from Poland to North Korea had unique agendas during the Cold War that sometimes clashed with the USSR. One example i know of is when North Korea captured the USS Pueblo in international waters. Moscow was reportedly not pleased with that action.

[@alex4863]

This was a much need, a substance video on most people do not care about to tell the difference between Communist/Socialism/Social-Democracy

[@Jay-ho9io]

Agreed.

[@maxmeggeneder8935]

Most people in the US maybe. That is completely diffrent in most of Europe and the Third World. But it is also very important to perceive and know about the diffrent streams of Marxist/Communist theory and practice. For all kinds of progressive forces and the working class at least. This is what is severely lacking in many european countries too. While our comrades in India or Colombia know these diffrences. But they also lead a much more severe class struggle and are generally more class concious.

[@cruchot555]

@@maxmeggeneder8935 Wrong! Most Europeans, especially in the North and West are as ignorant about Bolshevism or Stalinism as people in the US. Remember Baader-Meinhoff?

[@maxmeggeneder8935]

@@cruchot555 Sure I remember the RAF. Read every book out there about them and their history. What do you want to say? I don't get your comment in context with "Baader-Meinhof". How do you mean that exactly?

[@cruchot555]

@@maxmeggeneder8935 There are many people in the German academic and political establishment with a significant electorate following who have a favorable view of the Baader-Meinhoff group as "freedom fighters". That's probably why every German movie about them portrays them as merely "misunderstood youth". Anyway, all of the above mentioned players come from middle or upper class families, including most of the RAF terrorists. Most of them had/have college degrees, some even doctor's degrees. They should know what Communism and Marxism is all about. And yet they suck Marxist-Communist ideology like mother's milk and a lot of people, especially clueless millenials, support them like crazy.

[@sabflash]

The treat of my Sunday morning . Thanks for your great work

[@tompegorinno5141]

Communist unity is like communists inside communists nations saying they're not communist enough.

[@ekmalsukarno2302]

The Cold War, can you please make a video exclusively about Argentina under Juan Peron. Please accept my request.

[@dairebulson7122]

Peronism is indeed interesting especially in the context of the Cold War

[@luisfernandosantosn]

You can also find a very similar figure in Brazil in Vargas. They are Very similar, but the major diference is that in Argentina peronism branched and is still somewhat relevant, while varguism became a footnote even by those that still use the name of his party

[@dairebulson7122]

@@luisfernandosantosn Well, could Vargas' influence be considered to have lasted at least a short while during the Cold War, as an influence on Kubitschek and Goulart? (Before said influence was totally snuffed out by the 1964 Brazilian coup and subsequent military dictatorship for 20 years)

[@StalinTheMan0fSteel]

That would be interesting! Maybe also the CIA installation of Pinochet in Chile, or how about an entire video on South America through the Cold war.

[@StrickerRei-Chn]

6:51 Em... the Socialism with Chinese characteristic was introduced by Deng Xiaoping as a way to open and reform the country after the cultural revolution. Not by Mao ZeDong.

[@theodorossarafis7370]

A major issue between tito and stalin was the support of yuhoslavia to the greek communistic during the greek civil war.

[@martinlisitsata]

"business" ... comrades this channel has gone through a successful counter revolution!

[@michaelcutler5538]

"If you wanna build a bunch of bunkers, you gotta break a few revisionists"- Enver Hoxha, probably

[@kayzeaza]

This channel is the best!

[@BoredFish1605]

"What is unity???,this is a forcing opinion and we need reform" -Czechoslovakia probably

[@Marinealver]

It is also uncontested ballots during elections.

[@mojewjewjew4420]

@@Marinealver Sound like US

[@redram5150]

When you said "Buckets of sunshine" I couldn't help but think of the song "Walking On Sunshine"

[@hughmungus1767]

You are mistaken if you think tensions between the USSR and PRC only began after Stalin's death. I distinctly remember reading about a visit Mao made to Moscow in 1950. It was a lengthy visit that lasted several months. Mao spent most of it waiting to meet Stalin to discuss how the two nations should proceed. Stalin kept making excuses about how he had other more pressing matters to handle and Mao got seriously aggravated by being left to cool his heels. As I understand it, their personal relationship never recovered.

[@PedroBournigal-kk4ib]

GOSH YOU ARE JUST AMAZED ME I LEARN SO MUCH THAT I CAN Even 🥺🥺🥺🥺 BELIEVE THAT IS AMAZING WE NEED MORE OF THIS THIS IS HISTORY TEACHERS 👍😃

[@GaysianAmerican]

Why was there unemployment and labor flight in yugoslavia? How does that work?

[@panicatack6318]

Economy growth was immense from 1950 to 1964 but still it wasn't enough to employ population. Prior WW2 Yugoslavia was one of the most poorest country in Europe. Although some regions (ex AU monarchy) were fairly good industrialized , the rest of Yugoslavia was mostly agrarian, poor, backwards, with high illiteracy rate among general population. Add the wartime devastation and it's clear that Yu haven't exactly best starting position in 1945.

[@rootin222]

Hoxah was right, He liberated Albania without any foreign support and was the first liberated country in Europe

[@rootin222]

@@___-cp6or Albania because of the communist policies today has 90% homeownership so I don’t know what you’re talking about

[@可爱包-c4v]

In addition, hoxah's academic thought has influenced many people, especially in Muslim areas.

[@aa-wi3wt]

Socialism with chinese characteristics was developed by Deng Xiaoping when he came to power, Mao practiced Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong thought

[@schizoidboy]

I remember from my Russian/Asia history course that the relations between Russia and China were always a bit tense. In the Imperial Russia days they were often extending their territory into Russia especially into Chinese territory.

[@sammunn5177]

Could you do a video about unity/disunity amongst the Capitalist side in the Cold War?

[@Marinealver]

That would be called France.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@Marinealver lol this pretty much

[@Enthos2]

it's funny that Mao is still revered in China despite the CCP doing exactly the sort of trend back towards consumerism that Mao criticized the Soviets for

[@Simon150999]

What myth of Communist Unity? I've always been raised with the idea that communists are always at odds with one another. There was a saying in my country that there were more communist parties than there were communists.

[@willwallacetree]

Is that the legendary sought after blue drinks coaster?

[@TheColdWarTV]

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well

[@lepjagman]

Is this channel related to the Time Ghost Army? It's got the same vibe.

[@georgequalls5043]

J William Fulbright pointed this out way back in the early 60s.

[@Felixxxxxxxxx]

Very informative and interesting, thank you

[@PavelZaitsev]

A great channel Sir!

[@HistoryOfRevolutions]

"Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence" - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[@thethirdjegs]

Nuclear explosions a.k.a buckets of sunshine

[@Spanishdog17]

And KZbin shows that we still can't work together

[@Marinealver]

Google, Twitter, Facebook, and Twitch cemented that fact.

[@michamalinowski8015]

The Vietnam-Cambodia-China conflict would also be a interesting example.

[@可爱包-c4v]

The main reason is territorial disputes and ethnic contradictions, not communism.

[@michamalinowski8015]

@@可爱包-c4v You can say the same about the examples in the video. You could say the devides were between pro-Soviet and pro-Chinese Asian countries.

[@kd23se4]

Love your "motivational talks" to press the like button :)

[@yungtoolshed251]

Are you guys going to do a deep dive on the cultural revolution in China? I can't find a ton of content about it on KZbin.

[@GAndreC]

And you won’t find it in any near future

[@axelastrom1831]

David, you are a great host :)

[@ottovonbismarck1352]

“A system that would come to be called socialism with Chinese characteristics” Wow how creative and catchy. Historians are great at giving names.

[@kaavi1391]

It was not named by historians but the Chinese leader deng Xiaoping himself.

[@thatonedudebutwho9919]

@@kaavi1391 yeah that's why it's also called dengism

[@kaavi1391]

@@thatonedudebutwho9919 dengism is the best thing that ever happened to china.

[@mikek5322]

@@kaavi1391 SPY!

[@thatonedudebutwho9919]

@@kaavi1391 ok revisionist

[@hellenicboy4757]

Imagine wanting the workers of the world to unite when socialist countries couldn't even agree with each other lmao

[@diazkohen2149]

Since Congress Hague 1872, Leftists are always fighting each other

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

Hahahahah

[@F22onblockland]

certified Kronstadt Moment

[@antrim7008]

@@diazkohen2149 Yes because certain leftists represent the middle class. This was noticed very early on by M&E after dealing with Proudhon’s shit for ages.

[@diazkohen2149]

@@antrim7008 Bakunin?

[@jmrrrdann3369]

Communist is the worst thing to happen to humanity

[@joma5721]

You should fire whoever wrote that segment on the Sino-soviet split. It was full of distortions of truth, half truths and untruths.

[@lachlanwilliams5818]

This is the only time I've heard nukes referred to as buckets of sunshine.

[@StalinTheMan0fSteel]

You left out Mao's favorite name for Khrushchev.... "Trotsky"!

[@deanbuss1678]

David. You guys at CWC have really piqued my interest lately. Never had an idea that they're where such sharp fractures in the comm- block

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

Really? Where are you from cause I'm from india we are not surprised by this as we fought China even though both were socialist

[@HamzaPKR]

There are several examples missing here but I suppose they intend to cover them in specific episodes.

[@peaceraybob]

When did Ronnie Corbett migrate to the US?

[@hughmungus1767]

I believe David, the host to which you seem to be referring, is Canadian, not American.

[@idiocrat3744]

Hey, can you please make a video about Red Army Faction, a guerilla organization in West Germany that lasted until 1998?

[@DimeTrombe]

Živeo bratstvo i jedinstvo SF/SN

[@paulgaskins7713]

I’m pretty sure when your step daughter says icy she means like gucci mane icy

[@joshuarogers378]

When your series is over you should keep doing videos on the socialist revolution or at least whats left and the small groups claiming socialism in the U.S and all.over the world. We shouldn't let our guard down. Just because the USSR fell doesn't mean its over!!

[@stevearchtoe7039]

Where did all the hand movement go?

[@OrkhanJulfa]

Communists were united only in one thing, how to repress their own people.

[@shauncameron8390]

Pretty much.

[@johnbeechy]

there was never any one main thought of central control // thanks for the upload be safe during the remainder of Purge 2020-21

[@theawesomeman9821]

Maybe if the Soviets treated their fellow Communists as equals then the Communist world would be more united.

[@GAndreC]

They didn’t have the industrial, population, agricultural or military base to be equals though. Never in our current recorded history have larger nations treated the small ones as equal just gone from unequal to not interested to somewhere in that ballpark

[@PurpleCrownVic]

My new favorite quote from the King of Corn. "Isn't it better to have good gulash?"

[@roguegenesis7020]

I refuse to believe David and his step-daughters relationship is "icy"😤

[@hughmungus1767]

That's not what he said. The icy relationship was between other people.

[@alancranford3398]

I liked your phrase "buckets of sunshine."

[@ПрофессиональныйБезработный]

The fascist bloc was also not united. Mussolini nearly declared war on Hitler.

[@kuroazrem5376]

The way the West saw Communism is the way they see Islam and the Muslim World. That has lead to many failures in policy regarding both.

[@F22onblockland]

US: hmm Sunni and Shia what is this.... US: Oh well doesn't seem too important, lets destabilize some countries and make some money

[@chrisbrownaz]

Regarding CCP controlled China: I think it's pathetic that an ideology that claims to support the poor bans attempting to form unions (punishable by seven years imprisonment) and has no concept of a 40-hour workweek or overtime pay. Many workers in China work 10 hour days or more and six-day workweeks are the norm. Multiparty democracy is the best for poor people, not authoritarian regimes.

[@rodchallis8031]

Ideology in international politics was always a red herring. It's always about the ground: where it is and what's in it.

[@antrim7008]

Believe it or not both the ussr and us knew what geopolitics were.

[@ammarally3055]

Ideology is very much a real force in geopolitics

[@NisuUuno]

Workers get profits and select managers? Sound great to me.

[@GAndreC]

But how is the owner supposed to maximize his income if workers can afford to live semi comfortably with that job. This takes away the right of the owner to tank the business of labor, healthcare or import/export conditions change

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

@@GAndreC a worker-collective would be owned by the workers, instead of a single employer or (in large scale business) by the shareholders. The workers become the shareholders, at least for 51 procent, ofc. In fact there are hundreds of these worker co-ops in the US today

[@19Koty96]

@A Velsen What you just said is an oxymoron. You essentially said that "maximising profit is reducing the profit". It is always about maximising profit, it just shows that happy worker is a more productive worker.

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

@A Velsen if capitalist production would not be about maximizing profit, then you can't explain why American companies would move their entire production to low-wage countries like China. Or why they would have nightshifts so machines can continue operating round the clock, or why they would search for new technologies or marketing strategies to beat their rivals

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

@A Velsen That's very naive, ofc big business is trying to please the consumer, but one has to take into account all the lenghts the capitalists go through to cut costs, ie. to enlarge the rate of their profits. That's why our phones are produced in China, our clothes in Bangladesh etc

[@Dorrzo]

Whats the background song at the start?

[@JayZx777]

Poland was almost invaded by USSR in 1956 during Poznan protests and Gomulka being selected as a leader of Poland. Chruszczow arrived to Poland and threatened Poles with USSR invasion, but Poland was able to pursue the Polish way of Socialism with Mao's support. Chruszczow was notified by the Poles that Mao supports Gomulka and Polish reforms and USSR had to back off. Also, most Poles remembered (and still does) Soviets invading Poland in 1920 and 1939 (with Germany) and majority of Poles didn't trust the Russians in any way. Russians murdered and deported millions of Poles between 1939 and 1956, hence the soviets were looked upon as the enemy not friends.

[@EuropeanQoheleth]

You'd think this myth would have gone away by now what with all the documentaries about it (and some of the cards in Twilight Struggle heh heh).

[@felicityc]

you seem to be conflating people's misunderstanding of socialism and communism in general with actual unity

[@nattygsbord]

The reds are confused themselves, so its therefore not easy for outsiders to make their minds up. And who is a real Communist? - That's a question you have no answer to. To me is your debate worthless. Those countries were all socialists, but they were all called members of the Communist bloc. So one can therefore choose to call them "communist" just as well as "socialist" if one likes to.

[@zhu_zi4533]

Because communism is actually extreme socialism

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

@@nattygsbord yes, 'Communist states', 'Communist bloc' etc were definitions only used by the West, simply because a Communist party was ruling the country. However, for the communists themselves, the ideology stated the communism was a form of society somewhere in the far future. (this explains the name of their political party, the aim was eventually communism, but they were not there yet) Their immidiate policy was usually called Marxism-Leninism, or a variation of that. for example, a statement like 'a conflict between Freedom and Communism' made by Kennedy, wouldn't make any sense to a communist. In their view, they are moving away from the slavery of capitalism towards more freedom

[@Redx6504]

I dunno man "socialism with Chinese characteristics" just sounds like national socialism by any other name to me.

[@simplicius11]

The myth about Yugoslav market socialism.

[@xowurb]

You ware there? Your perspective is from the"first hand"?

[@okapijohn4351]

Please make a video about Portugal during the Cold War.

[@jamesbarca7229]

Do you have a reference for that? (1:18) Stalin wanted to expand communism and eventually take over western Europe. His expansionist ambitions discredit the argument that he was looking to establish a buffer between the USSR and its' enemies, afaic. He may have made that claim publicly for obvious reasons, but do you have any sources showing that was his actual thinking rather than expanding communism, which was always his goal from the very beginning? Do you really think he would have left eastern Europe alone except for the fact he was afraid of western Europe? I think not.

[@12D_D21]

While in the long term he might’ve wanted to expand communism, he knew he couldn’t just blitz into Western Europe, so he had to make buffer states. It’s the exact same geopolitical goal the Russian Empire had before the USSR, and it’s the exact same the Russian Federation has now.

[@goranmrdakovic1298]

I really,really want to know more about Balkan Federation map on 3:36 .Was it drawn back in the day by actual political players or is it just piece of imagination drawn by some enthusiast much later?

[@hughmungus1767]

If you're talking about a merger of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, I've seen videos that said it was indeed proposed and discussed between the two countries. I don't recall why it failed to take place though.

[@melonshop8888]

🌷🌸🌹🌼 CAPITALISM FOREVERE THE BEST SYSTEM.!!! 👍👍👍

[@Vchk1917]

Nope

[@hanzup4117]

Oh hey, Cold War. I was just thinking about you.

[@Flint_Ironstag]

The theme of today’s video: Mao was an idiot

[@Marinealver]

Nothing says Unity more than CRUSHING ALL OPPOSITION AMD DISSENT!

[@bhangrafan4480]

What myth? Most people old enough to be alive at the time were vaguely aware of the divisions. I suppose there were some ignorant members of the US public who did not know about Yugoslavia, Romania, Albania and China having schisms with the USSR. US/UK diplomats certainly did know and sought to exploit it. The west tried to be big friends with these countries to weaken and divide the Communist world. In 1972 Nixon established a rather cynical alliance with Communist China against the USSR. The UK I remember sold military technology to the Romanians. Meanwhile the west courted Belgrade.

[@WillN2Go1]

Good video - filled in a lot of gaps. Thanks. Mao really liked Stalin's personality cult - all the posters, the 'royal' treatment ... (Mao may have been the 'Red Emperor' but keep in mind no one outside the Forbidden City had ever seen a Chinese Emperor - that was the 'old power propaganda technique.' ) When Lin Biao cooked up the Little Red Book and the chanting "Long Live Chairman Mao!" Mao was more than ready for it. And 1961 when the Soviet technicians left the Peoples Republic of China, and their split was ON; this was an opportunity for the U.S. - that wasn't realized until the rapprochement in 1972 Nixon-Kissinger (Alan Whiting! look him up. Kissinger was on the phone with him every day, as he and Nixon knew nothing about China). One might argue that China had to change before it would talk with the U.S. but in 1972 the Cultural Revolution was in full swing and just as crazy and Mao was still in power. Had we stepped in in 1961 the Vietnam War could've been settled before the American War got going. The U.S. has had a long long problem of seeking out the most corrupt, usually right wing, people to support. There was a CIA Agent who quit the agency saying how much he hated leaving embassy parties where he'd been talking up American Democracy and Free Enterprise to go to the worst part of town to meet with the worst possible people to commit the worst acts to further the interests of the United States. It's in Haskell Wexler's documentary Case Officer.

[@lishiping84]

The Chinese communism movement, or more specifically, Mao's Communism movement, was totally off the chart of Stalin's plan from the very early stage in the 1920s. After the split between KMT and CCP. The leaders (most of them under the lead of Communist international) of CCP led a series of failed revolts in Guangzhou and other big cities (LIke what Russian did in 1917). But Mao just started his movement in the countryside. This is totally against Marxism and Stalin's plan. Later Stalin called Mao Margarine Communism. Also, USSR and China have differences during the Korean War.

[@maxpower3144]

Communism socialism dictatorship tyranny authoritarianism it is all the same

[@_DEX_-]

Awesome