The Never-Ending War: Foxhole's Longest & Deadliest War!!

[@jonion7884]

It's outrageous! It's unfair! How can you fight in a war and it not be a Real War??

[@RobertLovesGames]

Finally the correct response! lol! Thank you for this gave me a good laugh!

[@Patriccist]

best comment :)

[@KappuccinoXVIII]

@@jonion7884 most inteligent collie:

[@roach590]

It is crazy that my first war ended up being the longest foxhole war ever lol

[@N.N.O.U.]

I'm 6 hours new into the game, I didn't know it was that long, able queue was too long... Planted spy radio was taken hostage and a small band soldiers came and saved me lol.. it's little bit more funny role playing going on.. I like it.. alot.. I mean alot trench warfare

[@komiwalnut]

I joined four days ago and already have 28 hours in the game. I'm surprised to be part of the longest war in Foxhole's history, but I wonder how much grander the war is on Able after witnessing ten Colonial tanks pushing the Wardens out of Deadlands.

[@miqsm]

Haha same

[@ColinBFClarke]

Same lol

[@Hellhound23691]

@@komiwalnut In Able War 117 in the Deadlands there were forty tanks active on one frontline supported by artillery batteries and long supply chains. 3000+ player deaths per hour. Honestly I sympathize with Charlie players feeling like their record is being invalidated by Able, but having played on both? Able is a different ball game from Charlie. It's just on a different scale.

[@Davidletter3]

The idea that Charlie isn't a real war is (and I'm going to be really honest) a really really stupid idea. There are players on Charlie trying as hard as any Able player and it completely deminishes the effort we've made to suggest it isn't a real war. Screw that.

[@enstatite2479]

it's a real war, on the charlie record. We don't count it towards an overall record however. Every shard has its own.

[@JustAnotherGuy-jag]

@@enstatite2479L take

[@TheRod2525]

Its considered a beginner war, some people dont count it as a record because everyone is new and learning the game. Thats why a lot of people dont count it towards the longest war

[@tonymitera]

@@enstatite2479 There's no reason it shouldn't. Anyone can play on either server.

[@Si-zy2lz]

This is my first full war and I've been doing logistics and fighting on the frontline every day for two months. How dare they tell me it's not a 'real' war?

[@parker1093]

You shouldn't discount them because they are new. All of us in game were new at one point or another and their tenacity is no less than any veteran.

[@RobertLovesGames]

I don't discount the players are at all. Honestly lot of those new players can be well seasons vets by now if they have played all that war.

[@shawn3535]

@@RobertLovesGamesyour video doesn’t sound that way. Sounds like you are discounting all our work just because we are Charlie and less experienced.

[@simpleukyo3894]

@@shawn3535yup, he just put sugars in the statement but he simply stated charlie war is not a real war

[@smithynoir9980]

@@simpleukyo3894 So? Laugh about it. Turn it into a joke. Video clearly wasn't about putting anyone down. Everybody so soft these days that what amount essentially to a meme at this point is something you're offended by.

[@simpleukyo3894]

@@smithynoir9980 i simply stated what he sugar coated and you phrased it as if he is turning people down? Maybe he is because you interpreted that yourself

[@maxwellfujs6124]

I’m disappointed to hear the assessment of Charlie not being a “real” Foxhole war, despite there being a mountain of corpses and countless hours invested (for me, 200, first war). There are so many amazing moments and feats of heroism that made this conflict amazing - Kingstone was under siege for 24hrs straight, surviving a 9-tank assault at one point before the line broke. A Warden nuke was THWARTED by a lone multi-regi sub op. The Port of Rime was held for days by a regiment that wouldn’t give it up before it was ultimately obliterated. We’ve done our time. Charlie is a crucible. I don’t think it’s fair to minimize our efforts or invalidate our fun.

[@officerlatrel]

Long live port simp

[@RobertLovesGames]

I mean at the end of the day it's up to the player to decide what is canon and what is not. If you think it's a real war then by all means it's! Don't let any other player tell you otherwise. Especially me lol. Glad you all are having fun over there and having good fights. That's all that matters. Keep the forever war going!

[@ConnorHudson-rk8qi]

​@@RobertLovesGames the fact that anyone can think a war in a video game is real over another is laughable they are both fake wars neither are cannon 🙄 same able toxicity different way of saying it how does people learning make somthing not real last time I checks nearly every war ever fought had trained enlisted men and untrained conscrips not having a clue doesn't make anything less real😂

[@TheEDFLegacy]

​@@ConnorHudson-rk8qi Yep! And it really highlights the problem as to why they have trouble with player retention. Maybe if they weren't so toxic, people wouldn't be flocking to Charlie and staying put? 😅

[@smithynoir9980]

@@ConnorHudson-rk8qi It's not toxicity, it's a joke verging on meme for the most part. Heck, you laugh at it and it becomes a joke and not something to cry over. Frankly, if you let someone else opinion affect your fun, that's on you to be more resilient.

[@darko55]

That feeling when you're the only person doing late night logi work for deadlands and you're single handedly keeping your frontline stocked and held. Only to come back the next day and it's all lost because you went to bed.

[@maxwellfujs6124]

I empathize fully with you, whatever your faction.

[@ShadowOverflow]

This is my first war (Charlie) and I can’t stress enough how often a singular logi player completely saves a region. Thank you for your service. o7

[@ImpossiblyPyro-pigeon]

I felt this in my soul. But over in kings Cage

[@sato6015]

Me with loch mor. I'm not actually mad about the stalemate, I'm still having fun on a game I love, but supplying a defense of the tomb of the first for hours just to come back later that day to find we lost it is exhausting to say the least.

[@andrewdea889]

Thats me in westgate right now lol

[@AeciusthePhilosopher]

“Charlie War isn’t a real war.” “Able war is a break war.” As someone who is fairly new and who only played 6 odd hours during the Charlie war, it’s starting to feel like some part of the community has some very unhealthy attitudes that seem to come at the expense of the new player experience. It’s a pity really.

[@loafofbread9400]

Foxhole community is generally great, dont focus on the loud small negative side

[@smithynoir9980]

There are for sure salty people playing the game, but for the most part those are memes and jokes. Frankly, if the opinions of people you don't have to listen to are affecting your fun, that's on you. Their saltiness is on them, but your reaction and what you let it affect is yours.

[@IsaacSnider-iy1dk]

All I have to say is temporary server. Dd killing 10 relics and low player base. Foxhole is one community under one server. I was a new player on able and had nothing but kindness(war 118). Don’t be apart of the community if you don’t like it.

[@ImpossiblyPyro-pigeon]

i wish to share my story. So on Charlie, my regiment, STORM, is one of the largest on the warden side somewhere around 120 players. We were the ones who built up kings cage south blade and scarlet hold originally. The 905th didn’t get any gains because they were initially pushing against a coordinated regiment. We threw several BTS and a SHT at them to destroy the nuke but failed due to simple logistical oversight (we literally forgot to bring fuel for the BTs) and couldn’t leverage our numbers against the bulwark that protected cinderwick. But days after the nuke landed the real threat occurred; burn out. Our regiment was big, and the collies were doing a good job attacking. While we are a large regiment most of the production, rebuilding and general work load was pushed onto only a handful of people, and most of us got burnt out and our regiment leader pulled everyone out of kings cage as a result. This was my first war, and I’ve already put in 450 hours. I’ve had my home nuked, and fought valiantly after. But I felt it is unfair to say that the collies were pushing against uncoordinated randoms initially.

[@jacksaw40]

goblin king a collie from westgate collies give you guys crap but truly you guys have provided newbies the experience of what an actual front would look like if they were on able. I did wonder why that push on the nuke stopped so fast but your work in Westgate really made the small regiments there work together

[@ImpossiblyPyro-pigeon]

@ it’s appreciated but when I joined the regi on an attack of westgate back when I was a private, now I’m a captain and help coordinate between our regiment and others.

[@twochipgames8967]

Dont forget us EASY members 😅

[@ImpossiblyPyro-pigeon]

@ I can’t and you won’t let me lmfao I just don’t want to over complicate a message that is already a paragraph

[@kquindarlewisfyindujbar]

Shoutout to storm and easy btw. you lot have made the game fun for myself who is a christmas goober.

[@Redawesomeoby]

"The main issue is that there are no big clans to make big things happen" It's not an issue, it's a feature.

[@marcusfuller7510]

To hear that 'the entire server doesn't know what it's doing' and 'the map never changes' feels like a poorly researched insult. If you'd bothered to look into the region logs, you'd see entire regions changing hands back and forth; you'd have seen Warden Naval operations to take back Tempest Island, then all of the Fingers, only to lose it to a Collie counter-op. Same with Stema Landing and Fisherman's. It's true that there's not enough building on gains, but I think it's mostly a population issue this far into the war on a backup server. We're all committed to this and no matter what other people say, this war is gritty, hard fought, and real, and the veterans will always remember it as such.

[@janehrahan5116]

feels like he consulted only abel sweat redditors, not actual charlie players.

[@Brown_B.E.A.R]

Exactly! I'm a Loch Mor player on Colie side, and one time Wardens brought a fucking lincorn to assist a bridge push. Charlie has it's operations, but they are bit lower on a scale

[@dankoproductions6475]

I mean it is true as a new player who spent a long time researching and saving to buy this game. This game is deeply regimented, it revolves around taking orders from experienced players and hobby wargamers who, whether your ego likes it or not, are better at playing war than you. I have yet to see any of the progress make any lasting impact, because players are not willing to stick around for the boring parts of the game like defending an uncontested but strategically important location or driving a logistical truck back and forth for 5 hours. I find your population point to be extra silly, because the game is incredibly crowded right now, it's just that it's populated with players who redeploy as soon as the action stops. It's not a coincidence that one of the longest most stagnant wars is taking place after a massive influx of new players. I know it can be hard to hear when you're having so much fun doing nothing, but what we are doing is pointless and more than a little foolish. Currently it feels like I have to wait for this war to end and revert back to a single shard if I want to play the game I purchased, because right now it's a disjointed mess with the worst of both sides of the player base (new and old) split into each shard. Wars aren't won on accident, what is happening is the direct result of the choices of the playerbase. This war blows.

[@tofu1608]

Man, I could not disagree with people more. I have 140ish hours now and still consider myself pretty new. I played mostly on Able, and then I went to Charlie. Charlie is infinitely better without massive clans. People are so much friendlier, the war feels like a real stalemate, and I enjoy teaching people what I know and learning from people who know things I don't. On Able, you are mostly told that Charlie sucks and Able is the "real" war. Guys, it's a fucking video game. A lot of people are complaining about what Charlie isn't doing, but I notice none of them are doing anything to fix those things. Stockpiles empty? Then cram the backline storage depots full of stuff and shout out to logi channels that you have something for them to do. Charlie is where a lot of confused people land who have no idea how to contribute. GIVE THEM EXAMPLES. i have had great success doing this with a few noobies.

[@RealxKNS]

The Charlie war is long because of the inexperience but people are slowing learning and getting better on both sides.

[@RobertLovesGames]

True! They all started the wars as Privates and are going to come out of it Captains lol

[@clanzocu390]

It's because we don't have Able larp and try hard regiments.

[@Sinaeb]

@@clanzocu390 except for the able larp and try hard regiments coming over to close charlie shards to try to bring more wardens into able

[@emex374]

@@RobertLovesGames I am one of those players. Started playing after the Infantry Update (start of this charlie war) and i've logged about 500 hours already. Almost at 2Lt now. Also just managed to kill my first SHT as a solo partisan.

[@spencergeller2236]

@@Sinaebi just wanna say as a Charlie Colonial I will NEVER go turncoat for the Warden Scum. Collies for Life, baby.

[@darksinge]

5:25 If it wasn't for Charlie breaking records, no one would be questioning if this was a "real" war. Seems like the main people griping about it are vets from Able server who’re envious that the spotlight has been taken from them. This is straight up gatekeeping and disappointing to hear from one of the top content creators for Foxhole.

[@RobertLovesGames]

It's just my opinion. Take it how you want. And you can think about Charlie any way you want. At the end of the day none of it really matters :D Just have fun in the war game!

[@smithynoir9980]

It's not gatekeeping. That would be players preventing others from playing. Can you launch the game and play? Then you haven't been gatekept. If you want to play the game, play it. You can block and ignore anyone that is an issue. But here you are engaging in it as if its a personal offense. Why? Harden up. People are going to think what they think, your feelings aren't their responsibility. Also, gatekeeping is good. Have you seen what has happened to so many games losing what they are to appeal to people that aren't nearly as invested or interested?

[@HyenaNarxar]

@smithynoir9980 it kinda is since he's telling people that " people on Charlie have 0 cohesion and everyone is doing whatever they think is right and mostly sporadic" which is diminishing what the groups that do mass infantry/tanks/artillery assaults merits and existence which ya of course people feel attacked. you feel angry when people from Charlie say something about Able being elitists. Why wouldn't they feel offended when you call their efforts as just being pointless and poorly implemented.

[@darksinge]

@@smithynoir9980 it’s literally a text book example of gatekeeping. Please don’t act like differing opinions are invalid because of feelings. Maybe try responding without assuming I’m deeply offended. Who said anything about being offended, or quitting the game, or blocking anyone? I was just stating the facts. And “Harden up”? Seriously, wtf kind of advice is that 😂?

[@darksinge]

@@RobertLovesGames I respect the opinion, and even more respect for not deleting my comment! 🫡

[@johnbradley8901]

Charlie war is a lot more real than Able 118. I think its amazing that they are still at it. Thousands of hours of gameplay between both sides are definitely real, experience gained in combat and logistics is definitely real. Anyone that says otherwise is just a salty lad who is angry blue man or green man did not have the pop they could have on Able. They also probably did not have a pile of people throwing reports at them for being alts, or for using their equipment incorrectly...their war is still happening, and I bet they are having more fun than Able did.

[@emilybrooks4016]

thats a good way to look at it

[@RealxKNS]

Damn getting reported for using equipment the wrong way? That is just mean

[@EDunn21]

Charlie has been a blast honestly. This is my first war and I’ve just done backline logistics. Definitely looking forward to going to Able and doing logistics there to see the difference…if this war ever ends. Red river seems to have a lower player count than when I downloaded the game on day 10 of the war so I can’t abandon my team there now. It has been a great time.

[@RobertLovesGames]

Glad to hear that! And from what I hear about the difference is there is just more supplies everywhere and it's easier to get what you need instead of having to do it all yourself. This will be the true Forever War! I don't see it ending unless the devs end it ha

[@EDunn21]

@@RobertLovesGames The team at red river (RSI) had made a lot of the infrastructure before I got there and it is pretty good. The infra in some of the other backline hexes is...not nearly as good. I have been focusing on resource collection and building basic guns and shirts to load in the containers. I make thousands of bmats a day but it is never enough! It just seems like all the supplies goes into a black hole lol. Love your videos robert! Your videos have helped me a lot with the logi basics. The community in game has all been friendly too. It has been a good experience

[@smithynoir9980]

@@EDunn21 The frontline IS a blackhole for supplies! If you haven't, head to a busy front for a bit and watch those numbers drop so quickly it hurts logi souls.

[@ItsRockefella]

@@EDunn21the hardest working man in Red River 🫡

[@TroyAnnichiarico]

I think calling the Charlie war not a real war because it’s not the shard you prefer, diminishes the efforts of all of the players currently on this shard struggling for their victory. If this game consistently had 20k active users there would be multiple shards opened up and Charlie would just be one of many very real servers that new and old players play on. I personally enjoy my Charlie Shard community because I don’t have to adhere to the latest meta to have fun and I haven’t been shamed at any point for contributing to the war effort in my own way on my time schedule. I have a great regiment that has had some epic and memorable moments together! I find the odd negativity about our war counter productive to propping up this game and making it more successful. Instead of pushing for Charlie to be closed you should be endorsing this game to others so Charlie and Able have enough activity to remain open.

[@fede98k54]

The person who made this video hasn't played in charlie and it shows. There's lots of artillery and tanks, and supplies are not missing in any significant way. Big and coordinated operations are also quite common from both sides. Even the naval war has seen action. Really Charlie right now is just a little less skilled and sweaty version of Able, there is no significant part that is otherwise missing.

[@masteroutlaw100]

He's a Warden player and is butthurt he's losing the war, Collies are drawing the Wardens into kill zones to wear them out before we stage a major offensive after the next nuke, you didn't hear it from me though

[@AlexanderLeister]

As a new player I have one thing to say: Why the hell do Able players even care? Why the elitism?

[@Marsh_o]

Charlie has been extremely fun and a slog fest on both sides. It's been a real meat grinder with no immediate end in sight. I've been in this war since day one and fought across many fronts which have all been bloody battles. I've seen lots of artillery, large tank lines, super heavies. I have played Able, Baker and Charlie over the years. It definitely should go down as a historical war, if not THE current deadliest war regardless of whether it was Charlie or Able. At the end of the day, it's still a war filled with many players from either side putting in their time and work to see this war through and deserve recognition for their grit and determination.

[@TheEDFLegacy]

I agree. The sad thing is, our biggest hindrances are when the Able players come over, because, more often than not, they are the ones that interfere with the plans that Charlie players have made, and trying to do things the Able way. They will occasionally do a major push, and it goes very well, but because they only have half the heart put into it, the locals don't know how (or are unwilling to) capitalize on those gains. Despite being far more fragmented, there are actual organized coalitions doing some pretty heavy lifting that are almost if not entirely made up of dedicated Charlie players. I feel like these lessons will make for a better experience on Able, since some of them want to take those lessons and apply them there. In other words, yes, I'm accusing Able players of extending the very war they're complaining about. 😅

[@IsaacSnider-iy1dk]

All I have to say is temporary server. Dd killing 10 relics and low player base. Foxhole is one community under one server.

[@finncatwillhelm2457]

Anyone who says Charlie doesn't count needs to turn their pc off for 72 hours and touch grass.

[@link4585]

"this isnt a real war" sounds like a bunch of butt hurt weirdos.

[@RobertLovesGames]

I mean people have their own opinions. To each their own is what I think you meant to say.

[@ContinentalFan]

Its real PTSD hours 😭

[@janehrahan5116]

@@RobertLovesGames Meh, on the reddit I have seen abel people acting exactly as he describes, then some charlie people make some memes and they say its "charlie being antagonistic" When it was abel that started the toxicity. Abel sweats need to chill is something I have learned over these last few wars and the charlie war more than anything.

[@mitchellortiz3689]

“This isn’t a ‘real’ war” standing atop 1.6m casualties in the Deadlands

[@tofu1608]

​@@RobertLovesGames Nah they're definitely butthurt weirdos. It's not an opinion to think that nerds who say one video game war is more real than another video game war are butthurt losers. It's objective fact.

[@Matt-g2h8s]

Don't forget that Charlie Colonials are also the players that managed to ship snipe a Warden Nuke.

[@masteroutlaw100]

We held out for days in the hovel of Lockheed as well against all odds and full on naval assault with frigates gunboats landing craft and ironships running supplies for them

[@sovietninja5976]

It was a sub operation done by the V.FC clan and it worked!.

[@user-ff4ig8km1h]

A lot of the things in this video feel very overstated, the amount of artillery and clan operations are still plentiful, I don't think I would even notice a difference of artillery between able and Charlie, whilst the logistics of charlie isn't up to par with able, Charlie mostly suffers from new players oversupplying bases rather than the backline undersupplying the midline depots. The only reason why you don't see such a significant (clan) gains is because most players are still very inexperienced, and make a lot of mistakes that lead operations to come to a halt. In conclusion I feel like people on foxhole see Charlie & Able as completely different experiences, whilst the only real difference being that one side has more experience then the other.

[@RobertLovesGames]

Those are some good insights. Of course some of these quotes are just from that players perspective so it may not be the same for everyone. And I think you summed it up perfectly. Thanks for you insight on this!

[@hresvelgr7193]

I've been playing on Charlie a bit and there is defintely significantly less arty then on able.

[@OkDay-14]

2:12 The 114th on Charlie. I am a officer in it, We do Arty operations, Armored, but rarely naval. We have almost 300 members. If you just came to shit on Charlie you did a good job. But you definitely had to of interviewed people in their first week of the game. Charlie is fine, just cause we’re aren’t in Able doesn’t mean it’s a bad shard. Being upset because this war is realistic time wise and not filled with sweats is crazy!

[@unfiltered1033]

Honestly he did a poor research. He makes it sound like we are fucking idiots who cant do logistics and we cant point our guns and shoot. The amount of effort put by randos and regis in charlie is insane. I dont like the idea of regiments because they usually turn to become elitist idiots but on charlie even regiment people are nice and try to coordinate with us loners.

[@masteroutlaw100]

The real reason it's lasting so long is we're holding off what seems to be a major offensive at Lockheed. If the Wardens break through there they'd have nothing but flatlands for their tanks to roll through and attack our midline facilities. If that were to happen, it would be a major blow to the Collie war effort.

[@OkDay-14]

@@unfiltered1033 Yeah, he made it sound like we don’t have a real war 😭

[@slipperyarcher5270]

I know the wardens really want Lockheed. Just the other day wardens sent a battle train and a frigate to try and take it. They had even used a rail storm cannon days earlier to fully remove the concrete bunker base that used to be on Lockheed.

[@SchlopFlopper]

I saw yall set up an Arty Battery outside Abandoned Ward yesterday. Might’ve been tk’d a few times, but it was the first time I’ve seen a proper arty line.

[@mibo5990]

Hey, Charlie player here. While I agree that there's a lot of new players making mistakes and holding gained territory is nigh impossible, do not ever say that Charlie has low clan activity. I am one of the officers of the Weaponized Insomnia coalition on the Warden side. In the first week after the big ships teched, we secured all of fishermans in a series of operations. Next we took Stema Landing and guarded it for 2 weeks. Simultaneosly, one of our regis performed several RSC ops in Farrnac Coast. Also, making Tempest Island blue for a week is also our accomplishment. Raid on The Old Captain? We organized it. Failed landing in Westgate? Yep, thats us. The manhours put into this war were crazy. We operated a sub, a battleship, a Longhook, a Bluefin, and two frigates. So be so kind and grant the rank of master to the young Charlie war 9, because it deserves it.

[@kostathomas8732]

Ive been having a lot of fun learning how to do logi on Charlie. I also feel like my deliveries are much more valuable when theres no massive clans to overshadow me (not that I don't appreciate the clans)

[@RobertLovesGames]

That makes a lot of sense and is a good point! Keep up the good logi work and thanks for sharing that!

[@TheEDFLegacy]

​@@RobertLovesGames I'm one of those people. Just the other day I sent no less than seven full-length trains to Feirmor (with the help of one other person to drive the second train I had following directly behind me), and the engine of my first train was so far forward for the unload that I could literally hear the machine gun firing loudly, and had a 120mm arty gun part literally beside me. Another time I did something similar, except my train was configured for "hot unload" since the Seaport and Storage Depots in Westgate were all blown up at the time. This was also while my train was being literally shelled by enemy naval gunfire. But all of these heroics wouldn't have been possible if not for the backline newbies throwing random things into storage depots, that I turn into actual organized and focused supply deliveries to the front. Yes, people may make me crazy for risking my entire train by being so aggressive with my deliveries, but the way I see it is, even if the entire train is lost, but the delivery is successful, the strategic value of the cargo is many times higher than the locomotive and train itself.

[@alsob1062]

I play on Charlie since the start of the War and our main issue is pop imbalance between timezones, which leads to constant hextrades over the day. We are trading the same hexes back and fort for 6 weeks now.

[@johnbaker7322]

Yep. In the US east overnight Colonials generally lose their gains, then get them back the following day. Colonials are clearly more NA based proportionally to Wardens.

[@pyroboss1013]

It’s pretty discouraging to hear from other players that this isn’t a “real” war or I not a “real” foxhole player considering this is my first war and I already have like a hundred hours cause the hive mind says so. Like I’m not part of the community despite playing the game how the devs intended, on the shard I was told to play on by the game itself.

[@tonymitera]

Yeah, hearing that kind of talk makes me want nothing to do with Able at all. Able's just mad they've never had a war be so evenly matched, even if the skill levels differ between the shards.

[@pyroboss1013]

Of course no harm to video tho, he is right that a lot of players say this, and it’s quite well made.

[@CaptainDan1944]

The long history of how wars unfolded is what, I believe, holds Able back at this point. Many people have the mindset that if a bit of history repeats itself, the whole war will follow. a.k.a. we lose some positions or 1 or 2 regions and it's gg, everybody packs their bags. Charlie doesn't, I'd even say it can't actually, suffer from these 'prejudices' when it comes to how the war develops

[@AlexanderLeister]

@@CaptainDan1944 This moring (EU time) we successfully defended Mara and a quasi ad-hoc quick response force formed, all supported by logi players (me included) that sometimes raced from the backline to the front or from the eastern side. Charlis has problems with holding gains but there is some coordination and newer players are learning every day. Hearing Able players crapping over these achievements is toxic af and I hope I can play on Charlie in the next war if population allows because I want nothing to do with the Able bois after that.

[@grinder0244]

I understand the decision to mostly cover Able war, but as a current charlie player since the start of this war there have been some incredible moments. For a lot of players and regiments charlie war 9 will be where they earn their vet status.

[@RobertLovesGames]

Yea I'm only one person and I can barely cover all of Able war let alone the Charlie war. Glad to hear there have been some good moments! A lot of Privates are going to be Captains by the time this war ends ha.

[@misterweebs]

My guy you are still at starting positions after 40+ days

[@hresvelgr7193]

Earning vet status takes more then 1 war. It's a great start but still got a way to go.

[@DeltaStray]

@@misterweebs just because ur on able it doesnt mean anything.

[@tomsmith7207]

I absolutely love Charlie. Sure there are try Hardy’s incl myself sometimes. But the vibe has been one of curiosity and positive hopefulness on the collie side. Learned so much from patient vets in Charlie… hope we are allowed to end the war ourselves!

[@TheAdvocate7274]

I might add Charlie is about to see two able wars, and have experienced seal clubbing on both sides and alts from either faction. Charlie players are just built different

[@RobertLovesGames]

Ha! Pretty crazy to think almost two Able wars have already gone by.

[@Its_Brano]

There is one thing if like to highlight and i feel its important to mention real war or not charlie war has been one of the most community friendly wars ive ever seen. Its been enjoyable because their is not much able supremist mind set and people are enjoying the game. Teaching new people, creating new regis and communitys and getting involved im operations that would normally be gatekept from them because regis claim ghey are inexpierened. I believe its a reason the playerbase has kept so well.

[@masteroutlaw100]

This is the stupidest video I've seen on this subject yet. Large clans are what a lot of people on foxhole are trying to avoid, the way players form ad hoc units out in the field is way more interesting than having some guy larp like he's your boss and try to control every movement you make. I think the large clans are just scared, they know they can't move the front here and so they make up excuses. Lots of people just don't want to deal with large clans or the bullshit that comes with them. I'm here to enjoy a game not have a second job that I don't even get paid for.

[@brandonwestfall3241]

I saw a guy on Charlie improvise a small (hilariously unsuccessful) op with some local blueberries. He made it explicitly clear that he would not start until all involved stood, facing forward, in a line. It was all painfully cringe to watch. Made even worse by the fact that the plan was garbage and didn't work

[@ConnorHudson-rk8qi]

Formed my first tank crew with a american and a Russian that spoke a bit of English cause we robbed a warden tank together ended up killing 10 tanks and finally destroying foxcatcher for the first time with them Russian dude was even translating and communicating with other Russian tankers that didn't speak English so we could work together. So many times I've been part of different squads formed to respond to things and its been amazing working with so many random people

[@paulbester1571]

Sorry my guy this was a miss on your part since you usually make good content. The fronts have dramatically moved. The wardens for Charlie server have been holding on for life and limb and the fronts have collapsed several times only for the warden veterans to claw them back. At any given time there are dramatically more experienced players on the colonial side which makes it much more difficult to push. The story should have been how when the wardens got outnumbered and slaughtered, they dug deep and kept fighting back not that it was not a real war.

[@Nib_Nob-t7x]

There are big artillery operations, that person clearly just hasn't seen them (which is odd considering how common they are). I've held points while being bombarded by artillery for hours and I've also been apart of artillery operations that have flipped entire regions in a single night. The issue isn't collaborations on pushes or not building out infrastructure to hold a region it's simply running out of supplies when people have to go to sleep. The servers are very split on timezones.

[@CJ-fi8sz]

Hasn't seen them because he doesn't care and just wants to lean into a meme. It's bait for engagement in bad faith instead of encouraging Charlie players to go learn from Able he'd rather be smug. The lack of awareness of how this will reinforce players to never come over to Able is wild from a channel that used to want to encourage and help newcomers.

[@aika7974]

I will wrap up charlie war: Battle of Port of Rime (Where a collies holding out for days), Deadlands (Literally deadlands with no significant advancement), Westgate (Similar to WW1, its advance and retreat no significant gain), The siege of King's cage (its a battle where STORM, EASY, 72, LOTUS and several other known regiment in the area cling on for days, desperately trying to advance into the nuke site). While I agree that charlie war lack of advancement is due to its nature of a battle ground for new player, condemning it as not a real war because of its nature is the same as condemning the first 5 war in foxhole as not a real war.

[@KappuccinoXVIII]

This is the REAL war. Not your tipical tryhard rushing non-stop behavior, instead we got a REALISTIC 2 month non-moving front wich millions of soldiers died trying to make a difference, just like those 18 to 20 year old boys that fought in WW1... I fought in the Deadlands, with IMP, OWL, NOVA, CCCP and 74th Regiments, I holded The Spine, Iron, Salt, Callaghan Boot, Abandoned Ward until the last 8mm bullet, I've built the entire Spine defenses 2 times by myself just to watch it being costly destroyed by filthy colonials... but we will rise! we didnt hear no bell! the Warden side will never give up, and the devs should'nt interfer in the forever REAL war of foxhole. Saying that this is not a real war its a disrespect to all the players that invested time on it! The Callaghan legacy is timeless and we shall march forever. - Charlie Wardens.

[@ConnorHudson-rk8qi]

Lordbumsniff of the collies here been a amazing fight from both sides everyone giving everything able just be mad they don't have fun like us

[@ChopeDark]

As a returning player, I came to Charlie as a solo Logi player and I have enjoyed a lot trying to keep the warden front full of supplies, even if it is hard af. I have joined the front lines some times and it really feels like a slow push and pull, not much happening due to the lack of organization, tanks and artillery but it really feels really fun with a lot of infantry clashing.

[@afrandez]

I started to Foxhole recently and this war is my first play. As much as the game is amazing, this war is probably the worst one to start at. Starting from around 35. day at Warden side, I played around Westgate, Marban Hollow and Stlican Shelf; and all I observed was how stagnant the warfare was. It felt pretty much like Verdun gameplay. -Tried to make sure Maiden's Veil could get to the stage to operate its salvage mines with me trying to clearing infiltrators, doing logi stuff myself; but it seemed it was only me trying to strengthen the locality (aside from people who worked on keeping watch at bridge so no counter attacks could happen), when I returned back to game after a few days (due to IRL matters) I saw that we lost whole hex, and at that point it simply lost charm to return to play there. -Went to Stilcan Shelf, had a nice fight to strengthen Vulpine Watch and clear out the Colonial pocket at northeast, but as soon as we secure whole hex people just push to Brackish Point, without even considering other moves that could strategically be more advantageous aside from capturing and holding onto the town; then lose the town and the border sections of Stilcan and see Colonials building defenses, then we push them back, then they do us etc etc; you get the picture. -I enjoyed the trench warfare and digging them, especially at Brackish Point, but the nature of frontline movements made the whole job in the game simply pointless. I don't even want to talk about Westgate because the whole scene there was frontlines moving from Victa to Longstone, and in reverse. (As I was writing this, the map was showing Wardens being pushed behind the estuary, so; splendid?) My analysis on Charlie is this; if you want to learn basics of the game such as building, logi'ing, building vehicles etc; yes it works for you. If you want to just fight, maybe with a gun or a shovel; sure you can, but probably Able would be better for it (I can take corrections; haven't played there yet).

[@kieyrahh]

i feel like calling it a "fake war" isnt true because there are still people who know what theyre doing on charlie. just minus the toxic able'ness, its been really fun. will need a pretty heavy break though, 50+ days is ROUGH

[@dahlular]

I usually hold a lot of respect for Robert, but I'll be honest this video has a lot of things that should not be said if you're a content creator with a large audience for this game. I understand the need to cover the war and get opinions, but this one is incredibly biased towards treating Charlie players below Able, which considering the reactions of Charlie players- often made of not just newbies- has really fanned some unnecessary flames. I think it's important to recognize the niche that Charlie fills in a game like this; a lot of players enjoy the organized chaos that spontaneously comes out of a lower skill server like Charlie; its a pretty casual approach to the game, but in the same parts, its still Foxhole and requires coordination and resources to make battles won, which there have been. It doesn't feel correct diminishing the efforts made by Charlie players; it's incredibly gatekeepy on what substitutes a "real" war versus a fake one. I do appreciate the "don't let anyone tell you what matters" mentality, but if you're a content creator with a large audience, that's equal parts unhelpful. You have responsibility over your numbers, which gives you a larger voice. If you make a statement on the internet with a following, people will still follow your word, with varying degrees. When you make such an incredibly biased take pitting players against each other, you're causing some issues and prefacing with "it's just your opinion", which would be fine if this was a group setting between friends or mutuals. This is not, you should understand that this is a parasocial podium on the internet, and should be treated differently. I hope this wasn't too condescending or mean, but I am really disappointed to see players treat Charlie so poorly, especially inspiring people like Robert. At the end of the day, Foxhole is a game that supports various playstyles and various players; some people just want to take a break from Able and its clans, some players just want to take a casual approach on a war like Charlie does. In that same stroke, some people want to be more committed and coordinated on large scales, which is where Able comes in. Both servers fill a good niche depending on the type of player, and when there's multiple servers available, why would you want to divide people further than servers already do? I've been playing Charlie's war for the majority of its duration, and it's been an absolute blast, both during Port of SIMP's funny nonsense down to Westgate and the good pushes made there. Yeah, there's a lot of stalemates, but that just proves how good of a defense teams have been holding up, which beats one-sided steamrolling any day of the week personally. I think we as a community should get back to accusing the other team of being baby eaters on the front, rather than accusing the other server for not being a real one.

[@RobertLovesGames]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I think one of my main points which I didn’t apparently talk about enough is that at the end of the day it really does not matter who has the higher records. All that matters is if you are having fun playing the game. The cultures between the servers will probably never see eye to eye sadly. I wish this wasn’t true but it’s. I’m happy for the Charlie players and hope they keep up the good fight. As long as they are proud of what they accomplished that’s all that matters. Thanks again for your thoughts on this.

[@dahlular]

​@@RobertLovesGamesThanks for replying and giving your further thoughts, I appreciate the insight! I also wish the servers to be more friendly overall, but unfortunately dividing statements seem to exist and be perpetuated needlessly; veterans doing so the most. It's definitely important to remember numbers and records only extend so far when players having fun are the main force behind it all, and Charlie has been that way for me. I am sure when I play on Able more I'm gonna find my fun there too, because after all, it's still Foxhole. Just gotta remember that we're all in the same boat at the end of the day.

[@Burkesworth]

If these records were set in one of the first 5 ABLE wars, would the communities inexperience at the time negate those data points? In a future where foxhole is much more popular, which we all wish to see, will only ABLE still count even when there are 3, 4, or even 5 active shards? The current war simply *Is* the longest war in foxhole history, it's just a statistic. I feel like diminishing that plain fact by moving goal posts and reclassifying CHARLIE discourages the new players who have stuck around for two months now to see this play out.

[@greg-un7bk]

Do you mean like the first five wars after the split or the first five ever played?

[@masteroutlaw100]

It's like saying the Eastern Front wasn't a real war because America wasn't there, just plain stupid

[@ConnorHudson-rk8qi]

The fact this war has lasted for so long shows how real the war is. Also I find it funny how able players think they have any idea what actually happens on Charlie because they arnt there we have seen amazing pushes amazing teamwork and some amazing mistakes but ultimately not even Charlie players know whats going on everywhere cause you can't play 24/7 long stalemates being broken by massive attacks from loads of arty and tank pushes from both sides numbering 15 plus tanks no idea who you have been talking to but there is deffintly no shortage of tanks or arty both sides taking loads of ground and some amazing bases being built I say the reason the war has gone on so long is because we are evenly learning at the same rate and its far more fun than meta drenched able I've seen people do some ridiculous stuff that no one would let them do on able and guess what it worked and worked well I think able players have been fighting the 'real war' so long they forgot war evolves and changes it doesn't stay the same and on Charlie we have seen that wouldn't trade it for any able real war

[@Nib_Nob-t7x]

Yeah just a few days ago day BBB took all the dead lands back in one night with a massive artillery operation and infantry pushing like crazy. It's so annoying having able players talk about charlie shard like they know whats going on.

[@ConnorHudson-rk8qi]

I was there for that was spotting bunker bases for your arty and leading some of the infantry your guys did amazing I marked a bb 5 mins later it was gone and you did it to every base in the hex Lord bumsniff sends his regards 😂 able talking like they play on Charlie if they did they wouldn't say the things they do like there's no arty and no tank pushes ridiculous 😂😂

[@mlewis697]

4:15 I played before war 100 then started up again as a new player in this war. It’s been crazy. I’ve been collecting scrap and making what I need and delivering it to the front. I haven’t been putting into the backline stock pile because I’m afraid the supplies will never find the front.

[@airsoftnub32]

Very out of character of you to shit talk the other shard. Charlie has been fun and there are plenty of Large regiments still participating. Has it been long and many want it over? Yes. But better than Charlie was before it disappeared last year because of numbers.

[@RobertLovesGames]

Charlie has done really well this year! Much better than the past. And as I said at the end of the video I congratulate Charlie on these record breaking numbers :D

[@TheJC123]

This is my first war and I've been playing on Charlie since it started. The average experience on the frontline is spawn at a base that has 500 7.62 guns but no ammo, 500 7.92 rounds but no rifles, 400 frag grenades and no other types, and 88 normal rpg rounds with 18 ARC/RPG launchers. So it's just 30 people on each side all trying to kill each other with pistols and maybe some 9mm smgs. And if even one tank shows up that side pushes because there's no AT. So everyone hops around desolate fronts until finding the one well supplied front and that area is a bloodbath stalemate for hours on end. Great way to practice aim, but that's about it.

[@aenorist2431]

Come to able, play real foxhole.

[@qballizhere]

@@aenorist2431 you mean the que simulator 3000 that is not "REAL FOXHOLE"

[@mat05usz]

it's nowhere near as bad as you say it is and I'm constantly fighting in the deadliest hexes

[@Senthiuz]

Yeah, as an anecdote: Saturday a single warden tank came to attack Necropolis. We pulled all the AT from the base and went after it. We managed to track, then disable it, but not kill. So, a handful of us took to crouching down around it to kill the crew if they exited, while several more went running off to find more explosives. The first guy to come back with an RPG got shot by the main gun, which covered the corpse to prevent us from looting. Eventually a second person arrived with stickies and killed the thing. Time elapsed: at least 10 minutes.

[@ConnorHudson-rk8qi]

Logi lists are a thing everytime I put in a request i get what I need

Just wait till you hear the stories of the Loch Mor Monster

[@vectrom21]

Would be fun to have Charlie drag itself out for a bunch of weeks still and have the devs add planes in the middle of the war. It would be a great experiment! Hahaha

[@RobertLovesGames]

lol that would be great!

[@caveman6513]

i'm disappointed in you robert, i thought you weren't an able elitist. just because it is charlie dosen't change the fact that everyone on both sides have put in hundreds of hours into a single war, have organised multiple combined arms operations and been building since day one. i've seen arty ops that pounded entire warden hexes to dust. and we've been having fun with it because we have our own culture that prioritises fun and new experiences in the game. yes there are people that mess up, and badly, but we are all learning the game in charlie right now and many of us are vetted from a 55-day long war. even despite clans from able trying to end the war by sealclubbing we've held out, the problem is able tryhards who forget this isn't a game and treat it like real life

[@RobertLovesGames]

I’m happy for Charlie players while also sharing my opinion. I don’t discredit anything they have done. And at the end of the day none of it matters. All that matters is having fun while playing the game.

[@janehrahan5116]

@@RobertLovesGames saying its not real is inherently discrediting it.

[@ConnorHudson-rk8qi]

​@@RobertLovesGames don't discredit anyone but has spercific opinion about Charlie being a kid with no understanding that should go back to the little table and learn more before becoming real 😂

[@xx_destructo_xxishere4629]

I think the biggest problem with the Charlie war is the totally unorganized and seemingly lacking logistics. Before I fight on a front I have to go back line and make a bunch of stuff and make a few deliveries before being able to fight. Joining a regiment made a huge difference. My regiment has its own facilities and creates a lot of tanks. It just recently came off of holiday break so I imagine we’ll see some more stuff happening there.

[@lanewhite153]

yeah Charlie can get rough due to new players playing the games, But you’re making a lot of very broad statements that are simply untrue. I was part of a large scale amphibious assault on Fisherman’s Row with two Frigates, a fully stocked troop ship and about 100 players. We took the whole hex in under an hour. Westgate has been a brutal location for the last two weeks and has exchanged hands a few times, with major offenses from both sides. I’ve seen entire artillery units of five guns, loaders, a CO calling out targets firing for hours with plenty of logi support. We may not have clans or regiments but we talk and communication an individual level of organized chaos. I don’t know about the rest of the Charlie players but i’ve had a blast an honor playing in the longest and bloodiest war in Foxhole.

[@grandconqueror2446]

I started just 3 days ago and so far Charlie has become a great introduction into Foxhole. arguably for a beginner/backup server, I don't care if its a "real war" or not, majority of the people there are still learning on their own, and If a big clan is going to come in and try to end the war, at least teach the players there while you're in the process of doing so.

[@Beatnik59]

The only thing Able is providing right now is alts that steal our stuff.

[@tofu1608]

I think all this video proved is that Able players can't wait to get in the comments to tell you that their virtual war is "real" and it matters a lot, while Charlie experiences do not. Crazy spoiler: you're all playing a video game that one day won't exist.

[@Gcraft635]

Able players aren't even counting the war they are in since it's a "Break War" to them.

[@GaijinZerg]

After weeks of stalemate battles, I started to understand the concept of "war exhaustion" firsthand, where any end feels better than another month in the trenches...

[@RobertLovesGames]

lol for real! One side is going to have to break sooner or later. I really hope the war is ended by the players and not the devs.

[@masteroutlaw100]

I've been getting sieged at Lockheed for the last week and just had a frigate and gunboats bombard me for hours on end last night while I manned an emplaced mortar and evaporated wave after wave of Warden assaults. I'm tired, my head is ringing and I just want to get some sleep.

[@IvanDGames]

My first server! I bought game yesterday and played for 40 minutes! -1 enemy near Loch Mór

[@n3ttx580]

Yes it is a backup. Yes, you might think that having two shards is dumb. But never ever say that it is not a real war. I started playing 4 days ago, racking up almost 50 hours in that time, and never been to Able. However, the dedication Charlie people put in is unreal. Yes, playing tug of war for the same territories gets very stale after while, but after a while, you'll learn the map and it becomes super fun to strategise with a group of 5-7 people. Noobs come and go, but I still see guys that explained how the guns work or how to build my first 7.62 crate on the fronts, and we always greet each other, and stomp on Collies' heads, or run logi together.

[@RobertLovesGames]

I respect the Charlie players dedication. As I kind of stated in the video players are going to have their own opinions about it but really at the end of the day it does not matter. As long as you are having fun that's all that matters. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!

[@upside.down.gonzalo]

doesn't this mean that the Charlie server is properly balanced...? I started playing a few weeks ago and what I have seen is that both factions are really balanced. One unlocks next tech, the other faction follows in less than 1 day

[@RobertLovesGames]

I don't get to deep into the numbers of balance and what not but I've always the thought all the equipment was fairly balanced. But again I don't use some stuff every day like other players.

[@respiii]

A few points as sombody who played on Able and currently on Charlie's. There are regiments on Charlie that plan operations and coordinate together and dooing logistics just smaller. But that is imo a good thing because it gives new and solo player some more space to do their thing without having an entiteld "clan-man" scream at them because they dared to play the game. At the same time non regiment players player have a better chance to repell or slower an advance and are not steamrolled by clanmans 20 tanks.

[@dennyofthepines1457]

Maybe if we don’t want wars to drag on this much there could be some additional late game component fields open up to up the amount of heavy weapons which would help end the war sooner?

[@jonernuts]

It’s still a real war. New people trying the game for the first time just makes it a different type, but it is still a real foxhole meat grinder of a war

[@MikhailS183]

Last week we captured a town in the one of the Western hexes (don't remember which one) and the wardens were sending partisans and artillery observers across from the other side of the sea, and for this I started building a bunch of machine gun emplacements in the coast to defend it(with towers and supply tunnels, of course) all by myself because the majority of our troops were attacking in the east using a BB, I even killed the same observer 3 times in the same spot (not before he coordinated the destruction of our base, but we rebuilded it after). After building a small but effective wall covering the sea, I stole a Warden boat and sailed to the hex below us to gather a metric ton of supplies (truck and boat full of boxes) and went back to supply our forward BB and called it a day. This war is slow but fun. We fight so hard and so much for so little ground that the trenches are full of bodies. Able is WW2 with large mechanized assaults and mobile warfare, Charlie is WW1 with trench warfare and massive stablemates with infantry throwing themselves into the meat grinder. In my opinion, just because this war is different doesn't mean is a fake one, just a completely different and dumb experience that is teaching us, the newbies, how to play the game. For you is a boring stalemate, for me is Verdun. And in the name of all my fellow furrys who fell in this war, THEY SHALL NOT PASS.

[@williamhalsted4]

This is a great analysis.

[@TheEDFLegacy]

​@@williamhalsted4 Agreed, and whenever one of those major networks finally collapsed, that's when we see actual movement. When I joined the server just over a month ago, the Colonials were losing by three points. Since I started throwing trains at the problem, we've been holding with a 3 to 5 point advantage for the most part ever since.

[@AlexanderLeister]

There are also small "operations" that nobody talks about in this kind of videos. I remember in my first days (started only a few days ago) that some other guys and I were ferrying empty containers from Jade Cove to Scrying Belt because the the seaport was FULL and it blocked the whole chain. There are many storys like this that may not be "important" or "cool" enough for the elitist Able player but we Charlies are learning every day and we fight hard for every inch.

[@anthonymaselli7533]

Since my regi (SIMP) is one of the few veteran Regis from able who wanted to grow our base we have been one of the few groups securing the far east for the colonials but I truly love the optimism of our new people and how they continue to volunteer to do just about anything

[@Si-zy2lz]

I recognise the regi name from all the signs still dotted around the Port of Rime.

[@officerlatrel]

Remember Port Simp

[@tsv2087]

We will retake Port of SIMP o7

[@spencergeller2236]

Hey, how can I join your regi? I’m in Charlie and want to team up with people!

[@gameur_insomniaque]

don"t foget your clown : string zika

[@zehpando]

This war has been pretty fun but it is dragging along a little at this point. We always play Charlie as it simply gives more freedom and the impact a small regiment like ours can have is much bigger. We are playing collies and fight on the east and actually did do some operations of which you might even have the footage since someone asked me for it to forward it to you. They took treasury and build it up and we retook and built up now. Yes the progress is slow and there can be a back and forth but i don't think it's an actual stalemate.

[@unfiltered1033]

I am a returning player and game chose charlie for me and I wasnt aware of there were shards. Well I am not familiar with the current meta but I feel like its not really about incompetence, its just that each side is determined and they're in the same level. Cause honestly, charlie war is really fun and I am glad that I returned in time to be a part of this war. It is the longest and deadliest foxhole war, I really couldn't care if someone said otherwise cause its literally happening in the game "Foxhole". From what I have gathered able is more like WWII and Charlie right now is WWI. There are trenches everywhere and you have to grind hard to gain even a small piece of land. It's a blast, I don't know if I will ever go to Able when charlie shuts down because from what I have heard it is toxic and being an infantrymen doesnt mean shit there.

[@johnbradley8901]

It is not as toxic as people make it out to be. There are certainly shit lord clans around that think they know best, but thats any mmo. Find a regiment that does the thing you want to do and never look back. Clan man is bad...but also good?

[@smithynoir9980]

It's not toxic on Able, at all. You're seeing the softies that are offended by jokes and memes (for the most part) get all worked up over how apparently someone saying something on reddit or youtube affects their ability to have fun in a video game.

[@masteroutlaw100]

It's just been going on so long both sides have had time to build up MASSIVE amounts of defenses and fortifications

[@nocommentaryvr1666]

A huge issue on charlie is the amount of alts, we had our facility scouted several times along with it being torched

[@RobertLovesGames]

Yea I have been hearing about that a lot!

[@Beatnik59]

I started near the start of Charlie War IX, and I'm having a blast. But I don't think the problem is a lack of big experienced regiments. We have big regiments, with plenty of experience now, which I work with closely. But they are very spread out, fighting on multiple fronts, handling logistical challenges at their facilities, and so on. We also have a serious alt problem. Just yesterday, I was working with a regiment that was planning a major artillery operation. But some 2LT comes out of nowhere to steal their crane, steal their shells, drive tanks into the water, etc. We report him. He comes back and does it again. And that one isn't alone. If you want to know why we don't do major armor pushes, major sustained bombardments, and that sort of thing, that's why. That, plus the attition that you naturally get from a war this long, is why there isn't a lot of decisive, large engagements now. Thank you for covering us, Robert.

[@Tanstin1]

Charlie war is just as legitimate as any other one. It seems like you are just looking down on Charlie because they're inexperienced. People are learning and getting better here and logistics is doing their best job. The whole tone of this video is a bit condescending, since Able players could easily come over and help with logistics or with coordinating large scale pushes. This is my first war and people here are fighting for every inch of land.

[@TheKingreiko]

4:52 Seems a bit harsh, having players in different servers isn't against the concept of the game.

[@RobertLovesGames]

I think what this play is referring to is that for a very long time and many wars there was only one server. Though I didn't ask, I would guess they are a player that has played since the early wars.

[@shawn3535]

@@RobertLovesGameswhatever it is we have had confirmed able players come on our servers just to grief us and make us go to Able. It’s ridiculous and makes me not want to work with the big regiments on Able.

[@janehrahan5116]

@@RobertLovesGames its frankly a silly point of view, if foxhole becomes more successful (something a foxhole player should want) a second permanent server becomes inevitable. Hes basically saying "I want the game to stay uber niche and to slowly die out"

[@John-if9ig]

@@shawn3535 if charlie server winds up closing i will probably stop playing no way i want to deal with sweatlords on able i will take my chill clowns on charlie

[@mathew4485]

Charlie is a true war, just like in real life. Able is for meta pushers

[@TheToomykins]

I've only fought a little bit on charlie, but as a more experienced player it's very frustrating because nothing makes sense. Resources aren't always being used effectively, and i can understand that logistics players are hesitant to hand supplies over to noobs. It seems there are some capable clans that are picking up the slack. Sadly this might create some division between clanmen and newer players as resource hogging becomes a thing, but that's nothing new.

[@ManskiTheRed]

It’s actually nice that Charlie exists. As a new player trying to learn, on Able you feel like you’re in the way. When hexes can flip in a few hours, everyone is in a rush. On Charlie it’s chill. Nothing is time critical so the chat is super helpful. People take time to teach you and help. You can go experiment and try new roles and aspects of the game without a mistake being a blow to the war effort. It’s a great way to learn. And Foxhole desperately needs more players

[@dabrams84]

So I've been considering getting this game. Is it dying? Are there not enough players?

[@zachdillenger5468]

A war is a war, thats like saying real life wars that have happened don't count because of factors

[@RobertLovesGames]

Meh I wouldn't care it to real life war. I think it compare to to another video game or sport. If two new people to any game or sport started playing one another and never finished would you hype that up?

[@zachdillenger5468]

@@RobertLovesGames A record isn't about hype though, there are records that are just very boring. A record is merely a recorded instance of the highest or biggest matter within that subject. That is why it counts. Is Charlie's server part of Foxhole? Yes, it is. Therefore, the record sticks, as it's within the game; it's a pvp server likable. It qualifies In this case, people are crossing the idea of a record as you called it hype/glory etc when thats not really their purpose. Your to me thinking more of a trophy-type situation. A better argument would be so say the record counts for Charlie Server but not able due to the differences in skill or whatever BUT then any able records cannot count towards Charile

[@ConnorHudson-rk8qi]

​@@zachdillenger5468 I've noticed he only replies to comments he likes or thinks he can prove wrong if you point out his logic is flawed in any way and provide a example all of a sudden he don't want to know you 😂

[@ConnorHudson-rk8qi]

​@@RobertLovesGames if a brand new person to a sport or game breaks a world record does that not count because its the first time they played that sport or game or if someone in the lowest division of a sport breaks a record does that bot count because they are in the bottom division your logic is flawed

[@zachdillenger5468]

@ tbf this is a pretty standard problem with many gamers these days due to people hyping up records everyone things they are just about glory or recognition. when by definition that isn't their purpose really, you can certainly take it that way under a specific context but I feel that just trying to alter the meaning in the end. Companies keep "records" There are records in the genius that are that just dull in nature, trying to hyper focus on one single method of viewing a record and then using that to discredit others isn't really valid imo is all I am saying. not to mention that just sends a bad message to charile players "your efforts don't count because it didn't happen on the main server"

[@lordgong4980]

When i first bought Foxhole the Winter War was brand new and i first started playing on charlie. The whole time i was told Charlie doesnt matter but we had some good times and everone new and old tried there best.

[@l0rdparzival954]

As a warden the collies have been Alting and hindering our abilities

[@RobertLovesGames]

I don't have any proof of that but I've heard quite a few players say that.

[@HyenaNarxar]

Sniff sniff smells like cherry picking but OK of course coming from able elite's

[@Igzilee]

Definitely biased quotes and research. Not a single positive one

[@CrackOlive92]

Just joined foxhole a few days ago and have been helping the wardens in Charlie. Me and a few friends have been running logi to front non stop and I've tried joining the front a few times in the deadlands it has been a blast and we're hooked so hopefully y'all should see some help from the wild geese

[@pavelalexe9254]

I thought this video would cover the incredible things that have happened in this war, so many operations and so much fun amd heroism from both sides. Instead you just hop on the sweaty Able "vet" bandwagon. The way you and others separate the two servers and the way Able is described, id never want to play on Able. Such a dissapointing video. Charlie is the TRUE Foxhole experience. All out WAR.

[@RobertLovesGames]

No Charlie player sent me any stories besides the nuke being made. Hard to talk about a war when I don't hear anything about it besides how the frontlines are moving slow. As I said in the video I commend you all on your great war :D Keep up the good fight!

[@MadJackVideos]

That's me! I'm fighting in this war :D I was on when that rocket hit. I thought about joining Able but while i'm learning and typically a solo player. I dont want to be waiting in large queues to play. I only have so long at night so the fact Charlie is get on and go is really holding me on there. The lack of coordination is obvious though. You take the whole of a hex only to go to bed and it be retaken and your hext next to it half taken also. Still, it's been a while sinse i've played a game that had me hooked on the loop.

[@NokotanFanCentral]

Able players when their war doesn't last 2 weeks: "FAKE WAR FAKE WAR FAKE WAR"

[@masteroutlaw100]

They're the guys that would say it'll be over by Christmas LMAO

[@jackstazin6000]

Im glad to say this is my first war and im glad to fight forever

[@RobertLovesGames]

lol! That's awesome to hear. And you may be stuck in this war forever! Keep up the good fight!

[@CJ-fi8sz]

Now imagine a youtuber who doesn't know what he's talking about and wants to lean into a meme to bait engagement. Then procede to state "facts" while hiding behind anecdotes bolstering that meme. Instead of encouraging Charlie players to come learn from Able you have reinforced opinions on why they never will. Smug elitism from a channel that used to encourage and inform newcomers. Correct that you should stick to reporting on Able, if this is how you want to represent the surge in player numbers, but also now calls into question how accurate that information on Able is as well.

[@Erlanggaaaaaa]

It's not the lack of experience, it's the lack of players. I smacked a lot of Able Warden regiments this war in the East

[@YakyuBoy]

Charlie is like 2 AI training on each other

[@KittenyKat]

I wish these few guys who cover it would actually play and talk to wardens for once instead of always always going fuckin' colonial. Bit biased coverage. :/

[@RobertLovesGames]

Unfortunately I only have one account. I can't go on both factions. Wish I could!

[@redimage4255]

dissapointed no one covered the 20 tank plus a super and a 5 bts that pushed on the intel fac to try and stop the nuke on new years

[@RobertLovesGames]

Dang that sounds awesome! Would be cool if someone recorded it!

[@stuartx13]

Yeah, I’m not sure your whole argument about new people hold any water have you ever been to that server? I don’t think that’s the case and you know because I’ve told you that there’s whole entire coalitions of vet players there on both sides.

[@digitaloracle3079]

I finally picked up and began playing this game a few weeks ago, playing a handful of hours each day, most of that time. While it's overall been fine for trying to learn the ropes, the amount of toxicity I've encountered during my brief journeys around the map makes me wonder how much worse people will be on Able if you're not immediately an elite player.

[@dabrams84]

I've been considering getting the game and I've just been reading the comments here (without watching the video). Do people not have normal social skills in the game? Like the players are mentally ill and aggressive?

[@SprayPaintaNick]

I didnt even know there were separate servers untill this video and to know that there are servers being deemed as fake wars is just kinda silly. Why cant there just be 3 wars ... or it being a game why cant people just have fun

[@robertyang4365]

Thanks for this video Robert! Here are my thoughts: Having been embroiled in this war since almost the beginning, and this being my first war ever, I think the reality is a bit more nuanced than this take, though this video isn’t entirely inaccurate. It’s true that early on, there’s been a lack of coordination, smaller clan sizes, and inefficient supply chains. However, as this war has progressed and as people have gained greater experience, I’ve seen the average skill and experience level improve rapidly over time. Without giving too much away, I’m witnessing firsthand that clans are becoming better coordinated, taking on larger and more daring ops and projects, and are even getting more comfortable with working alongside other regiments to make large scheduled pushes. The image I feel that Charlie players on average at this point are all just fumbling around in the darkness is becoming less and less true by the day. I’ll say though that this video is somewhat accurate in a few regards. Logistics isn’t as sophisticated as on Able probably. Clans now have decently sized facilities, maintain container yards and train lines, and are now better at producing large ships, battle tanks, and even nukes, but again, probably not to the scale that Able players are pulling off on the daily. We could use more midline logi (I run ironship logi usually when I play and I wonder sometimes if I’m single handedly keeping a front propped up). Sometimes entire fronts will be left barren as evidenced on foxholestats. Artillery indeed doesn’t rain down as frequently as described of the Able server in this video, though I do often bump into 120 and increasingly, 150mm arty ops. Regardless, at the end of the day the most important thing is that I think we’re having fun and growing together. If nothing else, this war has been a resounding success in terms of introducing and ramping up new players to the intricacies of Foxhole. I wait with bated breath for this war to end and for us to join Able players as capable allies and enemies who have already proven themselves with two months of warring under their belts.

[@frafra-wm8ei]

I recently switched back to charlie after 1 month of playng and i fought in the SAME DAMN PLACE as where i fought in my first day of playng foxhole 💀

[@neves5083]

WOHOOOO CHARLIEEEE YEEEEAAAHH

[@MrDarkdragon141]

Almost to 8 mil deaths total and not much progress. The East / West Islands are a tug of war. There was one major water landing at east of warden territory backlines that caused some havoc for a while, but that was repelled in a day total. Submarine attacks into backlines, partisans from both sides able to steal and find their way back into the enemies very backline on multiple occasions (we literally made it into the enemies very backline hex, and put a watchtower + sign up) But the front lines are nuts. As others have described, equipment is scarce mostly because it gets supplied for a bit with some gear then we run out of rifles and have tons of ammo for others. Half the time now we bring tanks to areas to help push a front with the infantry staffing that frontline area.

[@gzer0x]

Charlie is my first and only war. Spent 40 real life days of defending and running logistics at Mercy's Wish. Never surrender! I decided to start QRF-ing after Christmas on other fronts, showed up to one and our landing ship pilot was cracking jokes about how the town fell and was rebuilt 3 times that day. "i'm a mercy regular" I said, "you are? do you want to stay on the ship? You've been through enough this war." I said "Nah, this is my de-stressor..." -- we even have a joke of "Feirmor falls tonight!... part 20" IDK where that lack of arty front is, cos we get it daily, BUT I never saw flamethrowers till January on Loch Mor front. I went to deadlands ONCE in November and every single building was on fire and there was flamer v flamer combat in the streets.

[@FlameShifter]

Ahhh, so nice to know that "Feirmor jokes" are more common xD We moved with buddies to Tempest recently, but started on Feirmor originally. We fought meanwhile at many fronts, did some back, mid and frontline logi, did some partisan stuff, chased Wardens on the seas, went back to Feirmor, defended it couple times and then landed on Tempest. Now we're turning island into hella one big fortress as we driven out all wardens from hex. Meanwhile it's "Fall of Feirmor episode. 3172628. This time with nuke site" xD

[@88580]

Playing (mostly logi) on Charlie, this is my first war (1400 days in game). I enjoy the sandbox and that there is not so much pressure on new players. Also you have a lot of freedoms, most ressources are public and people in general very friendly. There are a lot of stealth operations, even in the core terretories which keeps running factories.. interesting. Most of the people I talk to are waiting for the next war, but the nuclear boms will decide it sooner or later I d guess. Too bad that we have lost two beause of... noone cared about it.. ^^ But there are bigger tank attacks, I ve been in one yesterday. Well.. I will play on this server next round again.

[@ranoknas]

Not sure if anyone commented on the Naval invasion of Godcrofts by russian regis MMM and another + randoms. Charlie Colonials took it but were not able to hold it. SIMPS held Port of Rime, built concrete and were able to keep it decently long but ultimately fall as well. MMM were also able to push and hold Maiden's Veil until the VP was surrounded. I see MMM having a hand in many of the big ops that allowed Charlie Collies to gain ground. I am unsure of the other regis' participation. But ya, Charlie is fun. I have 5.2k hrs and enjoy my time in Charlie as I am a casual player who played since War 12 or so.

[@troygomez2089]

the Charlie war looks like a much more real war than Able right now with all the bollocks taking place on it. hell it looks more fun to play in.

[@SirTriton]

I just started playing foxhole and got into logi on charlie. I’m currently building a factory in speaking woods and although i have not achieved much yet besides making 3 artillery cannons i have already learned 2 players the very basics of logi to just experiment with me. This video made me realise there is a second server thats way different 😂. I visited the front with a friend of mine once and not only did we just walk into enemy territory uncontested, we could also just take a townhall for free since the place was abandoned. The fronts are so badly supplied that as soon as a tank turns up we lose ground instantly, but when that happens the front line logi that is there just starts bringing an ungodly amount of AT so the lost ground gets won back immeadiatly. Deadlands is the only place that actually has fighting and i’ve seen more people die to clubs and bajonets then to actual guns

[@Beatnik59]

A lot of times, the problem isn't supply, but just a lack of interest. I'd get forward relic bases the shirts, the guns, the ammo, the BMATs and the AT to do some work. But there's nobody to fill the shirts, nobody to use the ammo, and nobody to build with the BMATs. Charlie suffers a lot from "front tourism," where the motto seems to be "if the dot ain't glowin', there's no point in goin'." That is to say, a lot of players here tend to spawn where the action seems to be, based upon casualty reports from Foxhole Maps, QRF requests from the game map, appeals in general chat, and so on. A lot of people come when the action ramps up, but they don't stay and follow up when the action dies down. As a result, fronts are either really active, or really dead, with seldom any middle ground.

[@Nic2121]

As someone who first started playing back in November and has been on the Charlie server since then. It's been a real fun experience being part of this war and learning the game, aware that all of these people around me a probably as inexperienced as I am. It's always fun to help take charge and be a part of something because more often than not people may just listen to what ever plan one has concocted. I also find it very interesting how Able views Charlie as disorganized. I'd seen some times where it seen a regiment come in with their gear and their equipment and come in and help the front, I'd often be impressed by their and commend what I'd call their "organization". But this does kind of put it into perspective then when it comes to Able regiments. It's been a real enjoyable experience being part of a single front all of this time, seeing it change over these past months. Wondering what will be the tipping point to turn the tide in either our or the enemies direction. The Wardens will push our way back into the Clashtra one of these days I swear!

[@flightknight4269]

I like how the try-hards are now bitter and jealous because Charlie is setting records. It is a real war. A real war between clueless newbs. "not a real war" is coping so hard it hurts 😂

[@Arvidiusdux]

In my headcanon, Charlie occupies a different time period where-for whatever reason (massive nukes, communication breakdowns, assassinations, economic collapse, fuel shortages, or whatever) - there is a collapse in state organization, and you basically have localized militias or scattered infantry units fighting a low-tech, high casualty people’s war. I don’t think it should be considered “nothing.” But comparing it with Able is not apples to apples. Therefore, have it count, but have it and Able occupy two different periods of time so they are compartmentalized from one another. My preferred solution would be if both shards were just two different fronts. Thus, you have lots of real world examples to draw from where the majority of effort is applied to one front, but maybe not the other. E.g. Germany sends the majority of its troops to the Western Front, and then the troops it has leftover to fight Russia.

[@dw9812]

That's pretty much how I've seen it. Charlie feels more like there's a disconnect with any "Big Brass," hence the randomness. As if they're so far from the battle, that the only received orders are "Push!" which leaves the grunts asking "But where are our supplies?" Almost like a Forgotten Front

[@TheThiroc]

I got fussed at on charlie for pulling a tank from public to use lol

[@RobertLovesGames]

oof that does not sound right ha