8 minutes and not even a mention of sound quality? Really?
@tbrowniscool11 ай бұрын
Good point, you think these videos are reviews 😂😂
@bigonhonesty11 ай бұрын
Check out flossy Carter he will give you a review
@rene_eta199211 ай бұрын
Seems he and his team haven't noticed yet..... Guess they'll do that once as realize it....
@Foreignmonk3411 ай бұрын
Who cares about details like sound quality lol...
@guybrushtwood11 ай бұрын
These are headphones. Review in a nutshell
@Powney88811 ай бұрын
I’ve seen a few comments about this channel being on life support. I couldn’t agree more! I was watching some really old unbox therapy videos the other day. So much more personality from Lew and the rest of the team, so much more fun, so much more fun with the demonstrations too. Now most videos just consist of boring sponsorships, no personality from Lew at all, rarely see any kind of interactions with anyone else in the studio. It feels like they’re just advertising products without really doing anything. It just feels all super rushed. At the end of the day they made it, they’re a huge channel, made tons of money and now they’ve made it they’ve got complacent sadly. I doubt it will change anytime soon.
@sreckomipictures11 ай бұрын
Yes really sad. UT was such a great tech channel.. they were on the peak with the huge podcast studio they built and they used it i think once with Marques as a guest. After that it all collapsed.. And i think apple "cancelling" Lew hit him a bit too hard..
@Ezra_Haze11 ай бұрын
At least he’s not trying to sound Ghetto anymore, you win some you lose some.
@deadterrorrist11 ай бұрын
Yea. I also agree. Been a fan in the past, but all the promotions and all the paid stuff that is made in soulless videos, it is quite... boring. I am still subscribed, but if this goes on, I will unsubscribe.
@Adamkilla900011 ай бұрын
Don’t be stupid do you know how rich he is his channel is not going anywhere
@dustin_yeg_11 ай бұрын
glad I'm not the only one who sees it. I miss the old set :(
@siddheshhatle551511 ай бұрын
Lew is no longer a reviewer like Dave or Mkbhd, he's more of a 'promotor' and he's good at that
@antz881011 ай бұрын
Whatever pays the bills mate
@fantasytky2811 ай бұрын
Nah it's correct on Dave. Mkbhd? Put that biased apple sheep out of here please
@GrandSil9011 ай бұрын
He was never a reviewer, the channel is literally called "UnboxTherapy". He did a unboxing
@beyondthedetails11 ай бұрын
@@fantasytky28 My god you're a Joke lol
@AvinavaDuttaRoychoudhury2 ай бұрын
@@fantasytky28still makes better unbiased reviews than unbox therapy😂
@obioraifeanyi324611 ай бұрын
This channel is on life support
@GodisGood94111 ай бұрын
Lol
@AntonioReyes-l7y11 ай бұрын
😂😂
@danielandreibujuran126511 ай бұрын
I've been subscribed for years, I always enjoyed his content, but now, I did something that I should have done long ago. It hurt, but it needed to be done. I won't watch another video on this channel until they start making good quality honest content again. RIP
@Galaxyshooter11611 ай бұрын
You can tell by the views. He used to get a lot more. He needs to go back to his old style. Actually unbox cool things we haven't seen before
@antz881011 ай бұрын
21.4 million subs I disagree mate
@noobody8911 ай бұрын
I remember wanting some Bose speakers back in the mid ninties and couldn't afford them so I bought one of their giant coffee mugs. Still use it to this day for my hot cocoa and still the only Bose product I own.
@testname263511 ай бұрын
Lol
@Venusbeforeearth10 ай бұрын
As an Indian it's hard to believe you have less money
@kitschking10 ай бұрын
lol
@Soussdagoose11 ай бұрын
It’s official. MKBHD is definitely the best tech KZbinr works wide. Lew, you dropped the ball of that made this channel special.
@mndjr9 ай бұрын
MKBHD is an Apple employer. Period.
@DatingForRealYoutubeChannel7 ай бұрын
He is just as bad.
@HOAheadquarters11 ай бұрын
Another episode of QVC! so excited.
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡.
@SmaugOfficial11 ай бұрын
Ok, This Channel is fading
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@AnthonyBullard11 ай бұрын
That mention of Lew Later with no follow up was like a dagger to the heart. How could you do us like that?
@Fraunzi11 ай бұрын
I miss the live shows they used to have with guests. Bring those back please.
@seanlinehan113611 ай бұрын
Sooooooo is this channel closing down soon? Video frequency dropped off a cliff. Sponsorships with almost no substance on the rise. Lew basically sounding like he’s reading from a script. Sad if it is but I just can’t imagine they’re actually putting energy into these videos any more
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@chrisdeutsch504711 ай бұрын
RIP Lew Later 🫡
@dustin_yeg_11 ай бұрын
Yah, that one was tough to see. hoping there was some sort off announcement when he mentioned LL
@AnthonyBullard11 ай бұрын
This channel died when Lew Later died. I miss Lew and Will and Mo. was my favorite tech show of all time. The fact that there was no explanation to “The Community” made it sting extra hard
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡.
@silverssonyoutube84384 ай бұрын
Flossy carter is the only real tech reviewer .
@rupman27isback11 ай бұрын
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING we want know and he doesn't talk about the sound quality at all with these new ones haha. If they sound better or worse than the last version? Seriously, come on!
@ytpremium76494 ай бұрын
Just bought the BOSE quiet comfort ultra today ($430) PHENOMENAL BALANCED STUDIO QUALITY SOUND Near audiophile perfection
@hardstylezen11 ай бұрын
Bought these on Black Friday after trying them on in store briefly and being impressed with the spatial audio and clear sound. When I actually had them in my hands and I compared them to my XM4s they simply didn't have the richness in bass. When you boost the bass in EQ, especially on heavier bass/edm songs the volume is reduced significantly. Mids and highs are impressive, but for my music taste they just didn't make the cut. Much prefer my XM4s and will probably upgrade to the XM5s instead.
@mikemcd11 ай бұрын
I honestly like my mx4 over my mx5 I think lol
@mickeytollison10 ай бұрын
XM4s boosts the bass to a level that doesn’t stay true to the original music.
@mickaldinho10 ай бұрын
I used to watch every unbox therapy video but stopped doing so about 1 year ago when I felt the channel changed from fun real reviews to just advertising products. I randomly decided to watch this video and yes its still the same boring paid ads. Switch it back to the og days Lew and I will be back in a heart beat
@FunWithBits9 ай бұрын
I had a bad experance with Bose for some stolen headsets. I manually registered my sets and they were stolen. Bose kindly unregistered them from me and reregistered them to the new person and will not give me or our local pd any info. Even after a police report and police called Bose. BTW - I bought these and though they would be better then my old Bose QC 30 but they were much the same.
@SuperMario127.2 ай бұрын
Everybody complained about the battery displayed in hours on the 700s (e.g., fully charging their headphones and the battery time displaying below 20 hours, such as 17 hours, 16 hours or 15 hours), so that’s why Bose switched back to percentage in the Bose QC Ultra.
@nicholoncuffie226911 ай бұрын
Really heartbroken that Lew later and the podcast is no longer happening
@Alphoric7 ай бұрын
The classic Bose 2.5mm Jack Pretty sure it’s tradition at this point going back to the AE2Ws with their weird removable Bluetooth module
@WilyHazzard6 күн бұрын
I purchased an kislux bag in 2022, and I can confirm that it is very high quality. The owners were very nice, too! I may purchase another bag from them the next time!
@nileshacharya369110 ай бұрын
I had these about a month. I love the sound absolutely brilliant! The app is not super customizable but good enough. The ANC is great! The best you can buy hence the price tag. BUT I kept really dizzy, vertigo type feeling and had to return them. If I didn't have issue, which I have never had on other headphones I would have kept them. I am now trying the Sony XM5, so far no issues a few days in. I do miss the Bose QC Ultra sound though.
@crazychimp132410 ай бұрын
I used to get the dizziness from my Sonys but it does go with time your ears just need to adjust
@brandihowell47409 ай бұрын
How was the ANC on the Sony? I need to cancel out birds, cars and the tv when it’s too loud while I’m cooking😂
@johannes08066 ай бұрын
I love my Sony XM5 and wouldn't want to trade them for any of the Bose QC headphones!
@nileshacharya36916 ай бұрын
@@brandihowell4740 very good. used them on a flight recently and they did excellant. no noise at all.
@way2loww11 ай бұрын
I can’t lie, the videos are really not that bad lmaoooo idk how people expect things to stay the EXACT same for 5-10+ years lol The videos are perfectly fine and there’s no channels doing it how unbox therapy is doin it! Keep the heat coming unbox team! Cheers
@zhaquiri11 ай бұрын
"Not bad," eh? A review for headphones that makes NO MENTION about sound quality? Sit yo ass down, this channel is dead and has no sincerity left.
@afz300311 ай бұрын
This whole channel is just product placement now.
@XPrezObamaX11 ай бұрын
adbox therapy
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡.
@guybrushtwood11 ай бұрын
These are headphones. Review in a nutshell
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@arushkharbanda252211 ай бұрын
This channel dropped from being a life support to being on a life support (of sponsorships lol)
@craigmerkey851811 ай бұрын
I am strongly considering these! Thank you for the app demo... Cannot beat the sound of my AirPod Max. However the AirPods Max get very uncomfortable after 30 to 45 min. Seems silly to carry multiple headphones though.
@sumitswelsor10 ай бұрын
Maxs are soooo heavy The
@beamboy42010 ай бұрын
If you listen to seinheisser momentum 4 once you will never buy this
@kazimersteve11 ай бұрын
Bring back Lewlater!
@Brian-tk5vt11 ай бұрын
Be good to know how they sound for a head phone product, especially how the sound quality compares with Sony and Apple
@ssblue292311 ай бұрын
BRING BACK LEW LATER
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡.
@nameisjam11 ай бұрын
Lew doesn’t seem himself lately
@martintapia93744 ай бұрын
You ALWAYS Rock with your reviews, man...ya got an awsome setup + team 👌
@SRB5711 ай бұрын
Bring back Lew Later !!
@benzmansl65amg11 ай бұрын
Are you reviewing anymore? Where does it stack versus the Sony?
@pyuc11 ай бұрын
When I can use the word "stack" ?
@mannyk680811 ай бұрын
he doesn't do reviews. Quite literally, he does shill unboxing. most of the time he doesn't even talk about tech specs anymore.
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡.
@thebull366211 ай бұрын
I got these for my wife and after two days of use, she got a rash around both of her ears. Returning them and giving the XM5s a try.
@sheikheiroh11 ай бұрын
Lew!! Bring back the midnight launch for GTA when GTA VI drops please. Would be super cool to see the progression of that video 12 years later!
@jericmendoza40139 ай бұрын
i got mine last day and i just view your video. thank you ♥️🥰
@wasay379111 ай бұрын
Where is the green chair? The classical Unbox Therapy and even without bg music it was cool that way
@Avm37199811 ай бұрын
But how is the sound quality?
@merchantmps11 ай бұрын
No base, i ve returned that garbage and bought px8 WB
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@jaywhite11416 ай бұрын
I’m considering upgrading from my Bose QC 45s in black that I’ve had for over two years to the new Bose ultra headphones in Sandstone colour
@paulcollingham959110 ай бұрын
I had a set of beats bought for me for xmas but they were faulted so sent them back, so i did some research and narrowed it down to trying a pair of Beats studio 3 pro or Sony 1000MX5's... While i was trying them i saw the Bose but turn away because they never gave the base i like but i thought ill try them.... O...M...G... Talk about GAME CHANGER!!!!! I thought that these were well out my price range but i had to have them. Yes they are more money than the other two but in my opinion they are worth the extra.... Beautiful head set and would 100% recommend buying them, at least try them because if you dont buy them you can kick yourself for buying the others....
@Food-is_Life11 ай бұрын
Damn LEW! DIdnt these come out like over 6 months ago and youre now just reviewing them? WTF?!!!
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@surajvkothari11 ай бұрын
Please give a Lew Later update!
@Al13n1nV8D3R11 ай бұрын
Bose still makes the best noise canceling headphones. I switch to Sony because the Bose lacks features and sound quality that the Sony's have. But i am curious if these new bose headphones can outperform Sony. I sure hope so because i do prefer noise canceling on the bose.
@stephenknight656211 ай бұрын
These are dope headphones watching with my white smoke ones on now.
@hithereyou99918 ай бұрын
He's experienced Next Level sound quality - to not mention anything about sound quality of the QCUltra
@abrahamroberts204011 ай бұрын
I have these headphones and they are ok - just way overpriced. $200 would be right. Sound is quite good but not impressive. I personally like them better than the Sony headphones - but the Sony XM5 earbuds outperform both with noise cancellation - in my experience. That being said - I love the ability to also use the Bose QC headphones while gaming using the included 3.5 mm cord. Also it does have multi-point connection which works great.
@gillesvandycke684911 ай бұрын
200 is crazy bro
@davidflooor596411 ай бұрын
Thank you for the review. You provided way more information than the lew did 😢
@stephenleach311011 ай бұрын
Why do you use the cord for gaming? Does the Bluetooth audio have too much latency/delay for gaming?
@abrahamroberts204011 ай бұрын
@@stephenleach3110 latency and also I mostly play PS5 and it doesn’t allow regular Bluetooth connection. But the controller has the 3.5 jack.
11 ай бұрын
which one would you say has the best sound quality? i have the qc 35 ii and plan on upgrading soon
@shirommakkad525111 ай бұрын
I got these headphones and I'm just saying, you've got to be getting paid here. There's so many connection issues and problems with the volume slider that are mentioned in customer reviews, but for some reason aren't in anyone's KZbin videos. Wonder why.
@shangtakashi80896 ай бұрын
I have QC35’s. QC ultra is definitely lighter, looks better and definitely has better ANC but it is not as loud overall. I still prefer my QC35’s, use them every single day.
@hugogomez424411 ай бұрын
It’s just ads now
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@Andy-xd7ng11 ай бұрын
speaking of classic lew later…. what happened to the pod???
@afja903710 ай бұрын
i can’t decide between white and black. white ones look better but i basically wear my headphones 24/7 - all day everyday so i’m scared they’ll get dirty faster. so i’m not sure if to go safer with black or follow my heart with white. my last qc35 ive had for 5 years beofre i lost em so i plan to live these until they die 😅
@marijusofficial11 ай бұрын
Headphones are for DJ and producers,they are impractical because hinges broken,bands tearingg out and all the stuff.Earphones all the way.
@oryanol11 ай бұрын
I'm not feeling the unbox therapy spirit. Something is wrong with the recent videos
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@jacobwonder673511 ай бұрын
Did he not mention quality because they are crappy and he's getting paid for this? It's sad that all the comments rightfully calling him out help boost his video. But let's be clear, this was never a good review channel, it was one of the best affiliate product channels though, his quality and content is amazing, but he won't ever bring up valid complaints about products.
@mygrandmaisatoaster4011 ай бұрын
It actually was a good review channel maybe like 10 years ago
@einat162211 ай бұрын
I disagree, it used to be decent like a decade ago... No mentioning of price, actual sound quality (only features) and downright lying about what older models can do in term of ANC (I own QC2).
@VonnieJohnson10 ай бұрын
Personally, I still prefer unbox therapy. I will always respect lew for not being bought by Apple.
@c.a.787411 ай бұрын
i got a pair of QC45s and they are awesome but have one MAJOR flaw. when they are connected to two devices the audio starts stuttering randomly... this is very sad and tbh unacceptable for such a high class pair of headphones... does the ultra have the same problem?
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@aminebelhoucine11 ай бұрын
The green is gorgeous
@koushik_varma11 ай бұрын
I don't see the point in watching videos from inbox therapy anymore. He said the headphones were light, but didn't mention the weight. There is no mention of sound, call quality and battery.
@JassieKECG9 ай бұрын
How many devices can you connect at one time? Would it connect to my iPhone, Mac and Samsung Ultra all at the same time?
@mrufo22979 ай бұрын
No Aptx support on any Samsung phones!! Returned and got Sony XM5 and using Ldac now. Noise canceling on the Bose had a little hiss as well, were Sony does not. Just little info no reviewers will say.
@gaborhevesi4759 ай бұрын
I feel it should be mandatory to mention in the intro of the video that it is a sponsorship so nothing bad is going to be mentioned about the product....
@bdegrds11 ай бұрын
Dont be nit picky on headphone sound then play auto tune garbage on them
@einat162211 ай бұрын
True, but it is something we should care about, not the AI features... I listen to classical and chill out music so it matters to me. My QC2 see the light of day only when I travel by flight.
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡.
@JF-xq6fr11 ай бұрын
I have had mine for a few days and the ANC is excellent, sound is pretty good and if you EQ them a lot better, but build quality at least for mine is terrible. The plastic headband creaks like a 1700s schooner, sometimes the left cup creaks, and moving your head produces soft 'thunk' sounds that are super annoying. They do not fully turn off, ( you can set how long until they do ) and the process of turning them on is weird, and takes a few seconds. Hate the touch slider for volume that is not smooth and causes big jumps and is easy to accidentally operate. I'm really torn about keeping or returning - These IMO are way overpriced for being so plasticky and having kinda shoddy build quality elsewhere... But man is the ANC nice, and I may keep them just for that.
@clivehoward8861Ай бұрын
In the UK BOSE QuietComfort Ultra 60th Anniversary special edition can be bought for £284.96 direct from BOSE - 03/10/24
@SkateNollie1311 ай бұрын
Great Video, just like every other of your upload. Please put them into comparison to the Airpods Max. Thanks
@SB-ih5cw11 ай бұрын
Bose needs a new design department.
@mrmurdock69946 ай бұрын
It’s interesting how everyone is talking about Bose Ultra ANC, but no one seems to mention it's sound quality. Spoiler alert: it’s bad. I own a Sony XM5, and my brother recently bought a Bose Ultra. It was a disappointment because overall it sounds muffled and lacks punchy bass. He regrets his purchase wishing he had opted for the Sony XM5 instead. Before buying, make sure to test the devices and ideally compare with other models to avoid any surprises. Keep in mind that video reviews may not always provide the full picture.
@L3AF11 ай бұрын
Nice product i am done with bose. the earcups keeps breaking relativly fast on every bose product headset i have bought and they are expensive.
@demiladepopoola302311 ай бұрын
Unsubscribing this is the end of a long relationship with the person who once got me excited about tech Anyone know what happened
@quinnthompson11 ай бұрын
Hopefully there's some big changes coming from UT, something that's taking a lot of attention and causing them to just put out these ads instead of the interesting unboxing vids they used to make. Also .. RIP Lew Later? I really enjoyed that show.
@hkyt2111 ай бұрын
Do you have any plans to release a new episode of Lew Later?
@levigarcia964511 ай бұрын
He had a bad experience someone with AirTag on him so he is probably still dealing with it
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@MyPotentialSongs6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the information 💗
@fakekim9 ай бұрын
I’m worried. I‘m going to buy Ultra or QC I like songs and I like the bass part. Which one do you recommend?
@ssswiftly11 ай бұрын
Love these unboxing videos keep them coming ❤
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@jcs19210 ай бұрын
Bring the pod back
@SammyIsWhammy11 ай бұрын
Was going to get this until I saw the B&W's PX8 headphones (McLaren Edition) and it's probably way better anyways :3
@sandeshratnayake99548 ай бұрын
I just recently bought and sold my pair, these drain the battery a lot imo the sound quality is not a wowzers it is good. For the price I wouldn’t recommend but yet again knock yourself out It could be for you. I feel i look like the previous QCs may have been tad bit better imo
@abinsuresh46488 ай бұрын
Best spatial audio headphone top 5 ???😊 any suggestions...
@CocoKoi32110 ай бұрын
i hate big brands not keeping to slim headband profiles anymore
@grimsilent82706 ай бұрын
Y’all just get the Bose headphones just got myself one for my iPhone and man there good never going back to ear iPhones again trust me
@REXKeem10 ай бұрын
Lew i did it. I mean I really did it. They should be here any day now. Just the regular jawns tho
@jaychu385010 ай бұрын
How does this guy have 21 million subscribers
@glenarvonarmstrong968010 ай бұрын
Is the lew later podcast coming back? Please please 🙏
@meghamsh136611 ай бұрын
Why do u talk about 😒 Samsung security issue going on .......... I didn't expect this from u..... U should be loyal towards ur subscribes....the people who look up to u in many ways.... I hope atlest u will make a video about it as soon as possible
@theshadio11 ай бұрын
Bose are the best even car companies prefer it
@OrganicWheat11 ай бұрын
what happened to willy du
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@jamesdiaz68444 ай бұрын
How does this video have 1.4 million views and not crack 1000 comments? Do you not view much?
@aboodedaboss11 ай бұрын
God I wish I could afford a headphone it would be really helpful in my studying
@DanielMena11 ай бұрын
Not one comment on their mic?
@JaviGoodDay11 ай бұрын
talking about a lew later what happened with that channel???
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡
@nintendolover11411 ай бұрын
What happened to the enthusiasm? Wheres Lew bopping his head to some sweet tunes?
@nocapdaquan11 ай бұрын
been waiting for this one
@Text_YtUnbox-On_Tele.Gram-App11 ай бұрын
𝚆𝚘𝚗 𝚊 𝚋𝚘𝚡.
@kylehuisman3574Ай бұрын
What is the first background music track here? Great sound.
@shoarmik63899 ай бұрын
Cons that make them terrible choice: - There's NO way to use them while charging (It's a total scandal in 2023/2024). So imagine if they run out of battery during the meeting you're doomed. - The earmuffs tilt opposite directions than in any other headphones, so when you rest them on your shoulders the cushions are pointed up but the sharp corners of the outer layer are irritating your skin
@cockandballtortureconnoiss26438 ай бұрын
Bro you can’t even use the XM5 or APM while charging
@KanwarAnand11 ай бұрын
I have the qc35, nc700 and AirPods 3. Should I try the qc45 as ultra is not there in my region.
@BaardOvergaardHansen7 ай бұрын
Bought them, tried them, and then sent them back. Awesome noise cancellation, but poor battery.
@annebarder95547 ай бұрын
How about sound leaking? How loud can I play music without disrubting the person next to me in the bus or at the office?
@LRRPEXILE11 ай бұрын
@Unbox Therapy: The Bose Headphones you're reviewing differ from the link you put up.