The NEW Discmania FD3 is all you really NEED // Discmania FD3 vs Old FD3, Firebird & Felon

[@wanukasfobia6007]

Colorglow fd3s are known to be noticeably less stable than other fd3s which are meant to be Discmania Firebirds

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I always thought that the FD3 was not as OS as the Firebird… like more Raptor like… that’s why Paul liked using them because he thought the Firebirds were a little too OS… but I never threw them! Were they ever as OS as this new one? I always thought they were more like a Raptor Stability

[@wanukasfobia6007]

@@ApolloDiscGolf Yes, I know nothing about raptors, but Fd3 s were usually a bit less stable than most firebirds. But then there were really overstable fd3s like the regular glow ones and some doom birds. I think those were more overstable than most Firebirds.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@wanukasfobia6007 Gotcha, that makes sense! So in general they are less overstable, but if you got the right runs they were pretty beefy. I honestly like that! Because I like more workable discs but having one or two odd balls that are more beefy! Hopefully that’s the case with these and the normal stock ones are a bit more workable

[@robertbickford2021]

Those color glow ones with the knight are money. Just enough stability to depend on and not to much so that noodle arms like myself can work them

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah it was nice for sure!

[@earlthomas6295]

The EO FD3 runs I got and it immediately became my favorite forehand disc. It works so much better than a Felon or Firebird for me.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, they are solid! I little deep for me, but that’s all preference and I have smaller hands!

[@garrettthompson6568]

In case someone didn't say this already, the old color glow "discmaniac" fd3 you were comparing with was the least os fd3 they had created with innova

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yep! I am well aware of that now for sure 😂 These were the only FD3’s I had thrown! That’s also why I compared them to the Firebird and Felon because I am much more familiar with those!

[@garrettthompson6568]

@@ApolloDiscGolf is your buddy trying to sell that fd3 haha?!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@garrettthompson6568 Lol, I'm not sure!

[@myytti16]

Those old FD3 (in the video) runs were really understable. Nothing like the (even) other older Innova runs. They flew like Thunderbird or S-line CD2 even. I personally dropped Sexton Firebird from my bag. Innova Thunderbird flies the same for me as Firebird flies for pros.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah? I always thought that the FD3 was less overstable than Firebirds, even with earlier runs… but I never actually threw them! We’re the older ones ever as beefy as this new one is?

[@myytti16]

@@ApolloDiscGolf They were less overstable but not this straight like this run. :)

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah this one was definitely really straight! Definitely turned a little on the headwind! But I can see people loving that

[@TheRichiesInPeru]

I have thrown Felons for a while, (Lucid, Orbit/Fuzion, and Fuzion-X). I have a new FD3 in orange and another in blue. The new FD3 is far more stable than the Orbit/Fuzion Felon, and more stable than a Lucid Felon. I would say its on par with a Fuzion-X Felon. I love the Felons flight and use it forehand and backhand. I'd say the numbers on these FD3's new would be 9/3/0/4. Being C-line though, I am sure they will beat in fast. My C-line DD3, MD3, and PD have beat in fast, almost too fast, so I'm sure the FD3 will too.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah I agree, it was very close to my Hybrid-X Felon! And that would make sense about the durability. I think thats what a lot of people say about the trilogy plastic, that it beats in quite a bit. But I don't think it's too big of a deal because it makes it much easier to cycle them!

[@JinGalactica]

This whole time I thought the FD3 was a OS version of the FD. I wanted a disc to replace my Firebird. I saw there were Eagle stamped FD3's on the website and immediately got 3 of them once I heard the Mind Bender's were restocked. Very satisfied at how it flies. I love my FD, but I need something to torque over on longer holes. This disc does not disappoint.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah these are definitely beefy! Can handle some torque for sure!

[@tyler_glasgow]

I mean the FD3 kinda is an OS version of the FD? If you're looking for something between the FD and FD3, well...FD2 should be coming soon!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, that, or the Instinct is a good option right now!

[@JosephDeVictoria]

FD3 was my favorite disc for a long time, but they have a lot of variability across plastics and runs. I loved the stock Innova C-Line FD3, the color glow Innova FD3s were way less overstable, similar to a new thunderbird like you said. The new Discmania C-Line plastic is quite different, but the mold is fairly close to the old mold. Maybe a bit more blunt at the edge with a flatter top side to the wing. I've found enough variability in the 9-speed OS slot across manufacturers that you really just got to find ones that fly well for you regardless of the brand. That being said, I've bagged 2 FD3s for several years now.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I honestly like discs that have some variability! Like I have been throwing Felons now, and I really like how you can have a lucid one that’s pretty straight, but still hooks up at the end, and then you can have a Lucid-X that is a beef cake! And you don’t need different molds for those slots

[@skylorswope5183]

for a normal guy (max +350) the splice didn't have a place in my bag at all. Unless you need something to 100% dump left and not go very far. Tried both the primal run and the stock run, on my shelf they remain. FD3 has been great for forehands for me, still working on throwing shots backhand with it.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, the FD3 is a great stability! The Splice is nuts!

[@TylerFord-DiscGolf]

“Being 30s tough” so relatable. Haha.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

It hits you fast, man 😂

[@bryanmannoia8410]

if you think that's tough, just wait.

[@NickCarroll]

Some of the Dismania drivers had an "anhyzer top" so they were less stable than similar Innova versions that used the same rims. That's why the plates bend downwards at the edge. Like the FD3 was less stable than the Firebird. Nowadays it seems the new driver molds don't have flight plates as understable, so they're more stable in general than their old molds. BTW I suspect Discmania may have deliberately stored these differently to produce more or less stable versions, as some of the FD3s were pretty stable - a lot more comparable with your average Firebird.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah that's what I keep hearing! I always thought they were generally a touch less overstable than Firebirds though? That's why Paul liked throwing them because they were a little more mellow

[@Calculateddiscgolf]

That specific run of c-glow FD3 with the Medieval stamp was significantly less stable than pretty much all the other ones. I really like that run Bc they go far and straight and still have a good fade but most FD3’s were closer to a firebird than that run

[@thomashinson5684]

DITTO. I hope I never run out...

[@Calculateddiscgolf]

@@thomashinson5684 for real. I never throw mine if there is water in sight lol

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I definitely didn’t know that when making this video! 😂 But I did think that most FD3’s were less overstable than firebirds in general. But apparently the Doombirds were beefy? These were the first FD3’s I have thrown

[@thomashinson5684]

They are the common mortal’s FD3 :)

[@agentaech]

excited for this, not for the stock runs, but it means we're closer to a new run of Doom Birds

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah that will be interesting! If those are more overstable than this that will be crazy!

[@notbulbous42]

As others have said, FD3 varied in Overstability run to run and with different plastics. Luster was the least stable. The DB1 and color glows were a tick less stable. Some of the OG Lizotte swirly ones, DB2 and the C line runs were crazy OS. I have a pair of C line x-outs I don’t even know what to do w them they are so OS. Mortals cannot wield them.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

😂 I bet Ricky can shred with them! He loves his OS plastic! But then again… he’s not just a mere mortal when it comes to disc golf 😂

[@notbulbous42]

@@ApolloDiscGolf he’s also team DD 😂

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@notbulbous42 Yeah that too! But you cannot deny He would shred with them if he were on Discmania! 😂😂

[@bakerby]

Hope your back is better.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

It’s good now! Just hurt for a little bit afterwards, after some stretching it was solid again 👍🏼

[@ryanwright4287]

I’ve got some EO FD3s and some of the eagle stamped fd3s and I really like them, I’ll still bag my Draco’s but I’m impressed with the new fd3 compared to the innova fd3

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, these ones are definitely nice!

[@maxk4311]

great timing on the video, I got the FD3 just last week and it is the same color with a black stamp. that being said I paid close attention to everything you compared it to and left with one question, once this breaks in, do you see it going further distance wise? also, Can you also start giving us some general range estimation? I know mileage varies depending on arm strength, but the hole you're throwing it looks like a 300 ft hole, so it would be nice to have an idea of trajectory and distance potential and that would help with the idea of breaking it in for an additional 50ft. etc. great timing on the video again!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Thanks! And the hole I am throwing it on is a 365ft hole! And the forehand was on a 275ft hole I think? So the flexes were probably going like 325ish? With the flat throws going 310ish? Maybe 315? But yeah, the disc should go further when you beat it in! But I wouldn’t count on that being a cycling disc that can go super far, they are meant to be more of a shorter utility driver!

[@jockofthebush]

Thought you aced that forehand at 5:35 with the sound of the chains in the background behind your voice haha

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Lol… that would have been amazing! 😂

[@Jasha127]

I wish I struggled with Anhyzer. I have the opposite problem. Anhyzer is so easy but Hyzer is a nightmare xD.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah! It’s always one or the other! It’s alright.. Ricky throws a ton of Anhyzer shots and it works out for him! 😂

[@MrDantheman86]

The "old" FD3 you tried is one of the last run (Discmaniac) produced by Innova and it's the least overstable version. As an FD3 enthusiast, I barely consider the Discmaniac run an FD3 because its flight is so different. The new metal flake FD3 is average stability for FD3s similar to a Doombird. Try out a 2016 FAF Lizotte bar stamp swirly FD3 or an OG glow FD3. That's where the beef is.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, these were the only FD3’s I had thrown! I’m definitely more familiar with Firebirds and Felons. It’s just harder and harder to find the old stuff now! That’s why I mainly stick to stock stuff and things I can buy at MSRP 😂

[@Stever16]

Im seeing regular c line fd3s floating around now. Can you compare stability to metal flake ones? I'm hoping they are more overstable like the PD vs Lone Howl 3.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I would have to get my hands on one! I haven't seen one yet!

[@mpbx3003]

The original FD3s were all over the place. As others have said, the Color Glow run was notably less OS. I had a C-Line FD3 which looked just like the new one you had, but was stiff enough that it was more overstable than any Firebird I've seen. The Splice is definitely more overstable than the others. I wouldn't be shocked if they did make sure it's more consistently overstable with their mold, though.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Wow, yeah, that’s nuts! And you apparently haven’t thrown the FAF Firebirds, I have a few of those and they are nuts!😂 Like I would put those close to the Splice, if not more OS

[@mpbx3003]

@@ApolloDiscGolf I definitely haven't thrown a FAF, but those and the Splice are probably similar, yeah. I'd get an FD3, but I only use this slot for utility shots, so why buy another disc to barely throw? 😅

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I have no need to something super beefy!

[@LowKey_Mojo]

FD3 beats in pretty straight

[@WhoThaCazer]

Knight color Glow fd3's are known to be straightest run. I have eo22 fd3 and it fly like stock run cline. I haven't had any of doombirds so can't say how beefy those are.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Interesting! Then that’s nice! I had never thrown any before this. But I always thought they were less overstable than Firebirds in general!

[@tillman40]

I’ll stay with my Innova Hawkeye

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Isn’t the Hawkeye Straight? I thought that was more of an FD competitor than an FD3 competitor!

[@tillman40]

@@ApolloDiscGolf Hawkeye is the original FD molds I have been told.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I have always wondered that! That doesn’t surprise me at all!

[@bobbymcbride1599]

All doombird fd3s are just like firebirds I throw and bag doombird 1 fd3s they are exactly same

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah? That sounds nice! I have never thrown any FD3’s before these! I was definitely more familiar with Firebirds and Felons! It’s just a lot harder to find old FD3’s if you don’t already have them since they have been out of production for so long!

[@MrCornaldo]

All about that arm speed

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Even with high arm speeds I don’t think you need much more than this! This is pretty beefy! And I throw about 380ish… but I think even if you throw about 425ft, which covers the vast majority, I think this would be enough! And if you throw more than that… well then you don’t need to be listening to me anyways 😂

[@MrCornaldo]

@@ApolloDiscGolf I use the new metal flake FD3 for forehands

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah it is very nice for forehands!

[@josephsaggerson3627]

I’m 41, get ready 😂

[@billherrera6386]

I had a Firebird but it flew too close to my Thunderbird. The Thunderbird has become more flippy than I like. I think I am going to try a Fission Volt next. I felt an FD3 at the shop but the feel just did not do anything for me.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, feel is huge! And honestly, finding a workable Firebird out of the box is a rarity! They are usually super beefy! Even in lighter weights! I haven’t tried a Volt, but I really like the shallower/faster feel of the Felon personally! And it’s nice that you can still get beefy ones in the Hybrid-X/Lucid-X versions of them!

[@billherrera6386]

@@ApolloDiscGolf I have become a huge MVP fan boy of Fission. I have a Fission Hex and Insanity and they just bomb further than any other discs in the same speed or higher speed discs too. Only real downside is that they hold whatever line you throw, so you need to be precise. That is why I want to try a Fission Volt.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@billherrera6386 yeah I recently tried the Hex and it bombs! I haven’t tried any Fission stuff yet though. At least I don’t think the Hex was Fission… I don’t remember…

[@prattacaster]

Have you thrown a Terra yet? My buddy has one and I've thrown it several times, very much fits the spot for overstable fairway that is decently workable

[@billherrera6386]

@@prattacaster Terra was on my list but the Resistor is just so good. From what I heard, not too much of a difference. That is why I wanted to try the Fission Volt.

[@djlee4062]

Idk i got the same FD3 from the European open (mine is orange with metal flake) yet it’s not that stable. I mean it’s more over stable than my FDs for sure, but it’s significantly less than my PD or firebird. It definitely loves hyzer but also definitely isn’t torque resistant for my forehands. All that being said it’s just my experience with my specific FD3. certain colors and certain discs vary so everyone’s experience will be different especially at different arm speeds

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Interesting! I would definitely put the one I had as more overstable than a PD… but I will have to test them side by side to be sure!

[@djlee4062]

@@ApolloDiscGolf wow more overstable than a PD?! We must have gotten the opposite for FDs and PDs haha! My PDs are so overstable, but to be fair this is the only FD3 i own.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I think they are intended to be more OS than a PD. The PD is meant to be more of a workhorse control driver like an OS Thunderbird when the FD3 is meant to be more OS utility driver like the Firebird. But the recent C-line PD’s did come out pretty OS!

[@djlee4062]

@@ApolloDiscGolf wow i did not know that. I would never have guessed based off the flight im getting out of mine. Thanks for the info!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

At least that’s what I have always thought! I’m also not in their planning meetings 😂

[@jasonedens3778]

I struggle with anhyzers!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

It’s hard to commit to the line for the entire throw!

[@matthewrisher7267]

What’s the best disc golf store in KC?

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I would say mine but I don’t have a physical location yet 😂 But honestly you can’t go wrong with any of them! They all have great selections! I always just go to wherever is closest 😂 And I do lean towards DD because Josh is awesome! And my friend started a store by Hobby Hill called Albatross! So I like to go to those two if I need to grab something, but you can’t go wrong with any of the stores! There have been so many popping up the past few years! The only ones that were open when I started was DD and Disc Golf World, which is now closed!

[@matthewrisher7267]

@@ApolloDiscGolf great to hear! Love the channel so thought I would ask. I’ve been to truly, DD, and Ducks. Need to check out albatross and Maverick. Maybe get the FD3 haha

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I haven’t been the Truly Unique before since that is the most out of the way for me. But I think Maverick has the most selection out of all the other stores, they have just about everything!

[@ericbaumgartner03]

Am I the only one who thinks this is the flippiest Fd3 ever?? I have an old Eagle McMahon Crush boys in c-line and it's much more stable. I've moved to stable runs of invictus' and pds over the fd3s as the torque resistance of even the more stable Fd3 is slowly disappearing as I progress. This EO mf Fd3 flies like an instinct for me, it is nowhere close to overstable. Just my opinion, but I'm surprised to see a lot of people thinking they are overstable when even discmania said they are more neutral when they released? I'd love to hear more on this.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

They might be different in different colors, but this one was definitely Overstable! Like I would trust this more than the C-Line PD… but I didn’t test those side by side… like you can even see when I threw it hard on anny it fought out of it nearly as fast as my glow Firebird! And was very close to the Hybrid-X Felon and those are pretty Overstable as well! But I can’t say much about other runs of the FD3 because these two were all I have thrown!

[@ericbaumgartner03]

@@ApolloDiscGolf I might try a few different colors then! I've got a black EO stamp right now. I'll see if I can find a teal one! My first ace was with my that crush boys Fd3 and it has been one of my favorite disc's to date, hopefully I can find one that works! Great comparison video!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I have only thrown this blue one and it’s nice and overstable! I haven’t thrown any of the older ones to compare though! Hopefully it’s comparable to the crush boy one!

[@sc3639]

I just got a Volt and even that is overstable enough for me.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I have never really needed super OS discs like others do!

[@sc3639]

@@ApolloDiscGolf I do throw a FX-2 and Invictus as well. Mostly when there is a headwind. I am getting lots of discs and still trying to figure out which ones are going in and out of the bag. It is always changing it seems. I do seem to be going more towards MVP and Prodigy though atm. Still wish prodigy would fix its flashing issues. I have to sand down about 50% of all the discs I get from them lol.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, they make solid discs too when they don’t have flashing!

[@peterchristiansen2335]

Feel like this video is misleading… the color glow fd3 can’t be compared with the new fd3. The color glow fd3 is more like a ns firebird. You should compare it to an old fd3 mf or regular c-line

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, this was the only one I had! I don’t have any FD3’s myself, I just borrowed this one! This is the only one I have ever thrown! And it was even less overstable than my sexton! My sexton still don’t turn at all in the wind, this gave me a bit of turn!

[@redsleaves]

No, don’t do this to me! I don’t need more discs!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

😂😂😂 Just trying to help people make informed decisions!

[@AlgorithmDG]

I would never buy that disc because of how it looks. I hate the sparkles.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

To each their own! I personally like them! It’s all preference though! A glow on would be sick whenever they release the doom birds!

[@BookieCrook]

You think 30's tough? It's all downhill from there man lol

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I was waiting for this comment 😂

[@BookieCrook]

@@ApolloDiscGolf I'm 13 years past you. I had to throw standstill only for the past few weeks cause I planted wrong or something 😂

[@Robotron2084Guide]

Ha. By 40 you will be posting about new insoles you have found. By 45 you will be posting about new pants which have the luxury of a reading glasses pocket. By 50 you will be posting about new strength and conditioning exercises. But seriously, your casual bench talks about thoughts on new discs is enjoyable content. Cheers.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@Robotron2084Guide oh man, I can’t wait to be excited about reading glasses pockets 😂

[@markcummings2344]

54 here and only playing about 3 years. I do a run up but distance is not much different than my stand still. I can only throw 330 at best but I know a couple of geezers like me (but have been life long players) that throw 400 to 450 still.

[@tillman40]

I refuse to buy Discmania until they address the arrest of their leader. Terrible image for the sport

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, it’s definitely not a good look… but I feel like they have addressed it… Jussi publicly apologized, is paying the consequences, and has committed to getting help to get better. And Discmania has said that he is now on leave for the foreseeable future until he can handle all that stuff… if you’re not ready to forgive him, that’s one thing, and that’s fine. But I feel like they have done their part… he apologized, is paying the consequences of his actions and is taking steps so it never happens again… that’s like textbook what to do when you screw up. I’m not sure what more you want them to do?