The New Hope for WW2 FlightSims - A Team Fusion 5.0 Summary Preview

[@EpicJoshua314]

The content for the Tobruk DLC (5.0) is pretty amazing. I hope to buy it when it hopefully comes soon (they’re beta testing it right now as of late May 2020). I’m just glad that the Team and the Community have kept the interest for all of these years waiting. But all these years waiting for something new and Good. I hope that they can go on to add VR and a whole range of planes and ships, and maps, and have a very successful game in the years to come. Cheers.

[@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS]

Very glad to have you back Ape, I hope you home renovations are going well. I'm incredibly envious of your ambition and frankly freedom to be able to do such a thing. If you ever need a volunteer handyman a couple weeks in the year let me know eh? All the best dude!

[@Apeoftheyear]

Renovations are going well yes, but recently it was more work in the woods. Sure, bring a construction company and suitcase full of money,too ;)

[@dhillr_il2]

Thanks for the detailed update! The beaufighter and new E & F variants of the 109s are gonna be awesome. :D

[@roderickval]

Awesome man! Love it! Been playing COD for some time, canta wait.

[@adamtaylor7412]

Wow, I am really looking forward to this upgrade.

[@EpicJoshua314]

We have great news. TF 5.0. NKA Desert Wings-Tobruk will be available for purchase on July 30th 2020, with a release the following week on August 6th.

[@BusterStratton1]

good video Sir hope to see you in the skies soon (TWC_Fatal_Error)

[@cortomaltese9101]

I Love both Simulations, COD and BOS! There is no reason to blame one of this flightsims!

[@Simon1279.]

At least in BOS/BOM my vive works flawlessly, i can't play anymore flight sims without my VR gear

[@ZunaZurugi]

Lol.... older Il2 games are less simulators than War Thunder. What is the problem with BoS in detail ?

[@wirikuta14]

We´re not talking about graphics and shit, we´re talkng about phisycs.

[@joselicona1434]

Of course i will support Team Fusion ,i will buy the 5.0 patch and all the patches to come.

[@stitch2k1]

wow I had no idea they were doing this much work. I might have to get into flight sims again lol

[@MititeluRadu]

well there is IL2 1946 witch to this day is the only simulator where you can create huge battles, not to mention pacific oriented missions

[@dadnar7615]

I was curious which flight model you prefer, BOS/BOM or Cliffs of Dover with the fusion patches? Many thanks for these videos!

[@lewistaylor1965]

Thanks Ape...Great info buddy....Great vid...~S~

[@RecTec77]

howdy Lew. ~S~

[@oreste1964]

I fully agree with what he means Apeoftheyear but we must also understand that there are boys and girls of all ages among the lovers of virtual flight. We can not think that young boys want to read manuals like that of the A10C on the DCS Word of 670 pages or the so full of Kamov 50, who want to do the complete starting procedure .. they want to fly, fight and run, as it is right for their age. Leave the simulators for us with a few years longer than we take things more calmly. For example I would like to be able to shine oil, candles as in the products of the famous A2A for FSX, adjust the mix and a lot of other things, are two types of simulators for two types of users. I would say that IL2 Bos is turning more to young people who want to do good multiplayer fighting but maybe in the future they will want to add some features like clickable cokpit, I hope so much.

[@PacoElMapache]

i hope to implement VR. i really think thats gonna be the next step for flight sims

[@RickiV]

Nice work . CLOD is still my favourite flight combat sim. I have BOS and DCS, but enjoy flying the CLOD maps much more.

[@corysartin4558]

World war two combat fight Sims look alot better then when I first started playing in the late 90s the first il2 game I ever bought was the original il2 game for PC back in 2001 that was 17 years ago

[@Primetime397]

Oh wow *drools*, it's like some kind of simming dream :) Is there any chance of an early-model FW-190 being included?

[@johntighe4547]

Great review / preview! Thanks! :-)

[@quartex37v48]

any idea if it will have VR support? loved the announcement of vr support for BOS/BOM. Aren't they the same company anyway? Even tho it's more of a "simulation" with clickable cockpit, being in VR is like non another and a 2d flat screen seems so primitive now for cockpit sims. By the way how much are flight lessons?

[@Apeoftheyear]

VR will probably be supported in 5.0 but as far as i know its not 100 percent certain.But i have seen a post where it was tested A lesson costs 15 Euros but via Patreon you can get it for 10Dollars

[@menjoo]

I guess you mean Beaufighter when you say Bofors? Haven't seen any flying AA-guns in the video ;p

[@Rekreated1]

The specs required may also increase. That aside, well presented sir.

[@ronaldwatson1951]

Well explained I'm definitely interested but I'm new can information be provided to me?

[@Actaeon2nd]

How about goosing the fighter performance so they can overtake bombers ... without requiring a PhD in engine management or aircraft settings?

[@elduderino1635]

With all due respect, there are lots of more casual "flight simulators" out there. Perhaps, you'll find one that suits you better... CloD is near perfect about the simulation aspect.

[@Yay4IamCute]

omg O_O u are not ded!

[@Shadowwalker1717]

The most realistic Flight Sim, thats right. I love it. What the hell is Il2-Stalingrad? Or War Thunder... Can I eat it?

[@dadnar7615]

How do the flight models of BOS/BOM compare to Team Fusion 4.0 COD?

[@drv30]

will this be a free patch or a re-release that has to be bought separately

[@elduderino1635]

1:50 ff.

[@darklyt750]

Great, it's not like I already have too many sims to fly! I used to love flying CloD then I got into DCS and BoS and kinda forgot about it :(

[@Apeoftheyear]

Goddamn, the Bofor is not a Plane XD

[@Lemard77]

Well the Beaufighter comes from the Beaufort, not so different from "Bofor" :P

[@FirstDagger]

It's Bofors not Bofor anyway.

[@nickmitsialis]

Looking at the image at the time he said it, I'm pretty sure he said 'beaufort', too.

[@cbz3237]

I thought it was one of those things where its pronounced different than it's written, like Goucester is pronounced "Gloster" at least in Massachusetts. i guess it was just a brain fart.

[@heckpupper9532]

Soon™

[@m0ther_bra1ned12]

mesa339 hahahahaha XD

[@grohmann141]

Is there a date for this mod be released? Or if I can download it now, and where

[@Apeoftheyear]

To stay up to date about the patch you can subscribe to Team Fusion, i have a link on my channel frontpage, it will be automatically downloaded if you have the game installed via steam. Sadly no one knows for sure how long it might take, my guess is autumn - late this year.

[@LeiKaEr]

If you install Team Fusion 5.0, will it include all the patches until that point, or will you have to do those separately still?

[@decisiveimaging3078]

Included. If you purchase v5.00 new it will be an all in one package. If you have CloD now, you have to run it through Steam and shortly it will have a complete new update to v4.5 (which includes all previous patch content and much more), so whatever you do to get v5.00, you will have all the content included :)

[@Apeoftheyear]

All will be included, right now if you install the game via steam all the patches will be done automatically.

[@LeiKaEr]

Thank you.

[@headwarp9683]

Just going to share my 2cents on BoS as a sim or a game - and this is after the 2.012c update that revised all of the flight models in BoX. I have 1946, CLoD, DCS, and IL-2 BoX.. the sim that gets most of my time currently? IL-2 BoS. Minus the startup procedure - BoS is just as much a sim as any of them. All of them are lacking in some way shape or form. No dynamic campaign or easily accessed CO-OP. In DCS sure, I'll take the time to learn the startup procedure when applicable, but, for the most part, having pedals, throttle, and 2 different sticks to choose from, even in a clickable cockpit - all of the essential functions while in flight and in combat are bound to my stick and throttle. Flaps, gear, gunsight, radiators and prop rpm and trim. Reaching down to a physical axis to adjust these things is far more immersive than grabbing my mouse and clicking in a cockpit. And let's talk about the level of realism. NONE of the current available sims are going to show us the 700+ axis aircraft flying in full bomber formations and fighter escorts ready to wreck havoc on Britain. Expecting that is having high hopes, and even if you did you'd still have the lone wolves connecting doing their own thing killing the "immersion". Currently, to me, with my msffb2 at the head of my setup, IL-2 BoS is a clear winner.. CLoD's FFB support is janky as all crap currently cutting out and losing all stick forces, and DCS has the problem of being wayyy to sensitive on the controls, and in most planes adjusting the curves on the msffb2 will throw off the position of the stick when adjusting trim. That being said - DCS and BoS still give me the sensation of flight.. but BoS is the winner in terms of people to actually shoot down in my virtual fighters at the moment. That being said - still unrealistic in the fact that you only run into a few fighters here and there, or a couple bombers flying low on the deck trying to sneak some ground kills in.. but - when the battle does commence, the struggle is real.. all the maneuvers I've read about get used.. scissors, rolling scissors.. I've roped a my share of dopes, and my stick goes limp or shakes when I'm nearing stall speeds. Sometimes it gets boring, especially when the playercount is low on a big map.. but generally if you hang around the right objectives you will see targets and you will either have the E advantage or they will. Hopefully - Il-2 BoX's career and co-op mode announced for release in December will bring more fun to the table, and while they will probably never be able to get everything "realistic" in terms of actual planes in the air at one time, and the visibility issue - BoS does a good job of creating the sensation of flight and air combat, even if WoL and TAW are generally the only servers getting action. The one thing I think they need to do is add a keybind for the fuel gauge in the I-16 and the Spitfire. Since we're pretending to be pilots in flying deathtraps.. I don't see it being too much of a problem to imagine my keyboard, or my g13, or the switches on my throttle or buttons on my stick as a physical representation of the switches I would be trying to hit in the cockpit.. in fact, I tend to find myself wanting more buttons and flight sim toys, because reaching for my mouse isn't an action I would be taking in any cockpit. With that said, I wish for success to the devs of DCS World, IL-2 BoS, and CLOD/TF.. as the other big names like Janes, and Microprose have bowed out after finding it easier to make a profit creating things that don't require near as much work as a flight sim. Thankful to all of them for doing their part to keep the genre alive.

[@DionysiusvonAug]

HeadwarP Your words hit the nail. What I want to add, BOX dives you deeper into immersion. Yeah sure, much of it, i. e. flares at the airfield, are finally gimmicks, but I love that, BOX feels more complete to me. BOX offers the best overall package for me. My spare time is short, I have to decide, I choose BOX.

[@gracewoods2491]

Westland Whirlwind please!

[@benjaminthurlow5337]

Is this out yet?

[@toofless4541]

No, and no one knows when it will be.

[@REOGURU]

Es ist traurig zu denken, dass du niemals zurückkehren wirst.

[@Apeoftheyear]

Ich bin zurück. Nächsten Monat gehts wieder los.

[@bobwarnerjustwetwomusic1146]

if multiplay doesn't get fixed soon...no one will be spending any more on this sim....

[@Lemard77]

The new planes coming for the North Africa expansion look great, specially the Beaufighter, D.520 and F4F, as those haven't been covered in a modern full fledged sim yet. However I don't think it's going to change the dynamic that much sadly. The P-40C and E aren't going to "replace" or be in equal numbers having the Spitfire Mk V and Bf 109F around, as they are simply better fighters. The Bf 109E vs Spitfire mk I will translate into Bf 109 F-4 vs Spitfire Mk Vc most of the time. Well, depending on how the modelling is done with the P-40. In BoS sadly the P-40 seems a bit way too sluggish, a plane that had the fame of being the most agile american fighter, overall equal to the Bf 109E, and better turner than a Bf 109F. However it's slow speed, acceleration and climb rate will hamper it in it's intended boom and zoom nature. I really like the P-40, one of my favorite WW2 fighters, but I'm afraid it will be relegated in a similar way to how it happened in Battle of Moscow :( (one of the least played planes online)

[@Apeoftheyear]

I agree that the majority of allied players are going to stick to their rightfully beloved spits and hurries but even the slightest variation is ten times better than none at all. On top of that i clearly have visions of allied bomber formations beeing escorted by p40s giving high cover ^^(yes like most american designs they climb slowly but ones they have altitude they are very good for boom and zoom,having good diving specs). On top of that it will be interesting to see if martlet with their "tanky" design are going to create interesting wingman strats like they did in reallife.

[@Lemard77]

Well, a P-40C vs Bf 109E wouldn't be so one sided I guess. The P-40C is slower than the P-40E, but more maneuverable and a bit better climbrate, so it may be able to compete in a Bf 109E environment. Btw do you know the direction changes BoS had since half a year or so? Overall better relation with the community, more communication and some improvements (no more unlocks, Fw 190 FM revision, DirectX 11, etc). Also the ongoing Battle of Kuban and Pacific expansions for the future (Midway and Okinawa for now).

[@countzero7]

It will be same as its now, 90% of players will fly best fighters because all maps will have best fighters on them, so Spit IIa vs 109E4N will be SpitV vs 109F on most popular server. Good luck hosting server with P40s on it only, and if u have Spit Vs most will fly that if mission makers dont change their thinking. How its now its all about fantasy iia vs E4N all the time, and dont se that mentality changing in future :)

[@mealston1725]

Today's CoD vanilla (available via Steam) is far better. Ive worked with every TF release and CoD vanilla is all you need. CoD oem has been corrected during the BoS construction. And Ive 'witnessed' that CoD Blitz constantly alters my video card's settings (removes scaling parameters)..something any game should never do. and to nick pick CoD Blitz- the menu screens leave alot to be desired. Menu Screens are nothing more than game screenshots- high contrast that adds nothing but eye burn- also making some options unreadable. Indeed The plain CoD has all the corrections now..graphically superior as well as all user inputs functioning correctly.

[@higaluto]

Funny how one can call CLOD the superior sim when it have been known for a long time there is a bug in altitude performance for all aircraft and it has been said from team fusion themself that this may not ever be fixed, hopefully it can with the sourcecode and all now. Important for a sim to have the right performance in all stages of flight. And also engine mamangement? You can take te E4n and over 5000meter just go full throttle all day 1.3ATA, you never overheat or damage the engine, i do this all the time many passes over the channel. Realistic? Also the WEP works with a key press, and turns off after 1min. Thats Not realistic engine management as well. And the clouds, such an important part of a sim, is basicaly not there. Always a sunny day in the distance. Hope this can ne fixed in the future.

[@PaulAnthonyDuttonUk]

Why did they not iclude the Mosquito?

[@willgraves9310]

Mosquito was a later war design. For the moment CLoD is more of an early pre 1942 focused game. But that's not to say ifpn TF6.0 and 7.0 they won't add Normandy, France, Norway and Germany maps

[@willgraves9310]

In* TF 6.0 and 7.0

[@JG2Bouma]

BOS is far from a simulation you are perfectly write. I am an old simer started with MS CFS. Thanks for your videos and "Keep the dream alive..."

[@Spicysauced]

Un nu ist das Ding raus und du bist weg 🙃

[@DD-jn3ol]

I work in blender 3d mesh want help

[@learningguitarwithkev7945]

well the level of detail and content of cliffs of dover makes it the best ww2 flight sim out there what i am waiting for is vr in cliffs and then i will be back playing it vr is a must for flight sims imo

[@bkk6211]

please elaborate more on what makes it better than DCS

[@Apeoftheyear]

simple: the netcode, dcs doesnt really work as an online multiplayer platform, you simply cant play the game with more than 20 people on a server without serious issues, they might fix it with the new engine, but i will only believe it when i see it.

[@CDNSMOKEJUMPER]

Ever had a 100 player dogfight in DCS?

[@dexterfitben]

Is it ready?

[@deejayGOLDEE]

are you sure that spitfires farting shooting gun sound on spitfire is close to real? no need to upgrade to reality? simply to listen to it, there are some in museum.

[@cbz3237]

Thank god I'm not the only one who is put off by this. It literally kills the game for me. I have tried multiple times to come back to CLOD just to give up on the horrible weapons and weapon sounds.

[@Red-Magic]

The IL-2 series is sort of a simulator, but not. I'd still call it a game. Digital Combat Simulator really has the simulation down.

[@vaclavfliegel703]

It is as game/simulator as BoX

[@tomcatqw666]

With all respect don't tell ppl lie that New IL-2 BOS is not true sim, btw to start Spitfire engine in BOS you need one key and in COLD just two. Very big difference... Nither have realistic staring procduers, but in BOS at least you can obseve automat which is doing all stuff for you. Look at this video explaining 2009 tech from ROF which is constantly evolving in BOS. BTW i like both CLOD and BOS and I waiting for TF5 for sure. I don't know why you are so biased towards BOS maybe becosuse you are average pilot there? kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3OciaOfi850rJI

[@Apeoftheyear]

I like both games just as I said before, Clod is the better simulation, BoS is more of a game, I told my reasoning many times before: I want to be able to click directly in the cockpit, dont tell me using the keyboard is better because I dont feel that way, I want to be able to click in the cockpit and not bother with some shitty setup again and again when the game forgets my config because of an update, also when teaching someone how to get a plane up in the air its frustrating as hell to explain to someone how to setup the buttons when I could just tell him directly in the cockpit which handle to flip. Playing real online missions in BoS is either boring or frustrating, if you really patrole the map you only find people due to sheer luck and coincidence (contact visibility always has been poor in the game and has never been improved enough, its due to the way the contacts are rendered even at far distances which would stress the hardware to much if they increased the range/ it needs to be something like 20 km- dont tell me you cant see that far in real life, i can see planes that reflect sunlight at immense distances( remember a passenger plane you see in the air is flying at 10 km altitude) or because you stick to the objectives and hotspots - this leads to arcady furball meetups while the rest of the map is empty. The flight models in BoS are ok but they dont feel top notch and far too light. I like to fly duels in BoS but everything on a bigger map is just boring in this game and just doesnt feel right, even the map itself is boring. I love BoS and wish it had better contact visibility but as it is right now I can only have fun with it in duel maps. It has potential though and I wish for the game to get clickable cockpits, improved contact visibility for gameplay dynamic porpuses ( to create multiple encounters all over the map instead off just on the hotspots - this leads to interesting and immersive patrole runs), and maps that have interesting landmarks that allow for better navigation and meet ups with wingmans.

[@Dusty7460]

I am agree BOS lost lots of its simulation side due to no full 3d cockpit use. Who is not agree i don't care but a simulation means you need to control that stuff not to push keyboard buttons.

[@cbz3237]

right, instead you click with a mouse, like in real planes... /s

[@no.54reddog33]

lol. so the same footage TF have already put out rehashed. meh.

[@BigRed999]

I can only pray because I'm done playing BOS/BOM

[@HolyOrangeJuice]

I could never get into IL2 BOS. CLOD always has a special spot. Hearing about TF getting their hands on the source code and everything through steam. Going to truly revive that game and bring it back to the front of everyone's mind. BOS was a failure in my opinion. Never felt very good as a sim. The direction they went early on with needing to unlock parts of your planes by playing was stupid. I don't know if its still like that now but i never got to enjoy that game.