The New Kadampa Tradition EXPLAINED: HH the Dalai Lama, Dorje Shugden, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso

[@ymfg9004]

I have been studying and practising Buddha's teachings from the NKT for thirteen years. I read other texts and watch teachings from other traditions and feel no sense of guilt. Basically it is all the same, to go for Refuge and strive for Enlightenment for the benefit of all living beings. I practice Dorje Shugden prayers but don't wish to harm those who do not agree with it. I certainly would not deny non-Shugden monks or practitioners access to food or medical care ... that would go against Buddhas most basic teachings. I am very involved in my Centre and was even a resident there for some time but do not feel as if I am part of a cult. I felt ill when I learned of the trouble between Shugden and non-Shugden practitioners which is why I started reading and listening to teachings outside of Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's ones to reassure myself that it was qualified and genuine. I am satisfied that Geshe-la is pure in his beliefs and teachings are authentic and follow those from Buddha, Atisha and Je Tsongkhapa. Are we not taught to view our Spiritual Guide as an emanation of Buddha? Are we not taught to respect ALL living beings because we do not know whether they may actually be a Buddha and to harm or disrespect a Buddha is a karmic nightmare? Please, let commonsense prevail, respect everyone's right to religious freedom.

[@christo-wiInI3dn]

NKT is just trying to get money out of you to con & cheat you.

[@gabimarkify]

Why not try genuine buddhism? You sound like a sincere practitioner, you may get so much more out of the dharma than this brainwash.

[@aquicommeusbotoes]

Continue fazendo sua prática em paz ... Sou praticante de Dorje Shugden há anos, sou aluno de um Guru que ensina esta prática , ele não é um Guru NKT, e há muitos e muitos altos Gurus pelo mundo que propagam esta prática. A única hierarquia que existe no Budismo é você (o aluno) e seu Guru (que lhe deu iniciações). E você deve confiar em seu Guru como sendo o buda vivo, mesmo que ele seja um guru pobre morando numa caverna. O aluno que abandona a prática de Dorje Shugden quebra o samaya com seu Guru, e isso é a coisa mais triste que pode acontecer na relação guru-discípulo. Então, confie no Lojong, Lam-Rim e Mahamudra, e faça o que seu Guru ensina. Simples assim.

[@jebjeb1498]

​@@gabimarkifyI practice the Dharma of Lord Buddha,Atisha and Lama Tsongkhapa presented by my kind root guru,Geshe Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche.I disparage no one's sincere practice of whichever Buddhist tradition they follow.I have no wish to disparage his Holiness nor the Tibetan people.There has been years debating this issue.Now we just wish to practice free from slander and divisive speech.Please practice what your Guru teaches in peace and I will practice mine.May we all be freed.

[@maurice-fIic9jwv]

Many Many thousands have ended up with ruined lives or in a Psychiatric hospital because of this Cult over the many years. This New Kadampa Cult is not what it appears to be, AVOID.

[@Sjagger]

It’s a neutral video. However, no one ever forces anyone to enter NKT or doesn’t allow them to leave. If NKT has such a huge following worldwide, certainly the western world has gained immense benefit from Geshe-Kelsang Gyatso’s teachings. It’s unfortunate that there has been division on the diety worship. But I wish there was more peace among the different sects of Tibetan Buddhism. I think it would be unfair to call NkT a cult. Whomever has joined has done so by choice and they are open to read any other books. But to keep teachings uniform in multiple NKT centers, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso only has his books there. Hoping for more peace between the sects of Tibetan Buddhism in the future.

[@Lobsangtonden]

It's not a "neutral video" as there are important facts missing, like the one that Kelsang Gyatso literally stole the center from Lama Yeshe after LY invited him to teach over there (not Trijang Rinpoche), so how could a person be so ungrateful and turn against the man who invited you to his home? Secondly the main problem with this practice is the division it creates among the schools, in practical terms, if you do such a practice, you are not allowed to reach or even touch texts from other traditions, especially the Nyingma school, which is totally ridiculous. They can clam that they "can do it but that they don't do it bucease they want to focus in their own tradition", which I respect but do not agree. So the video is not neural, the total information must be provided.

[@jackiebrand3352]

As a Buddhist, I have asked myself many times: Why didn't these loving wise masters of Tibetan Buddhist teachings (Dalai Lama and Geshe Kelsang Gyastso) come together to solve this problem? If they could not solve this peacefully being Buddhist masters, how can we ever expect to achieve peace amongst ourselves? Reading the comments you can see the havoc/hate in the words of some of the posts. I can see and feel the suffering on both sides of this issue. Hoping the next generation can find a solution. May we all be free from suffering, may we all experience peace and happiness.

[@s.geschke]

It is a dependent relationship, and only one side made peace so far ... just see for yourself who is trying to continue this conflict until now with the same old content over and over again - this behavior is Samsara, a vicious circle ... may everyone everywhere have the same good fortune to defeat the inner daemon of self-grasping ignorance🦚❤🙏🌈🌞🌚

[@gyadre]

Shugden vs Dalai Lama is sectarianism vs non sectarianism. The Dalai Lama advocates non sectarianism and even respect all other religions including Atheist. But Shugden propagates the except Geluk all other sects of Tibetan Buddhism are not true Buddhism. So that means even excluding other Buddhist such as Thai, Sri Lankan, Japanese, Chinese etc as they do not supplicate to Dorji Shugden.

[@BlueGiant69202]

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[@s.geschke]

@@gyadre This is simply not true. To be more clear: this is a lie. Who has told you these things? It sounds like a fantasy to harm Shugden practitioners. Dorje Shugden practitioners pray for all Buddhists and all non-Buddhists, for all Religious people, and for all non-Religious people. Everybody is welcome! Dorje Shugden protects every living being, also people who offend him with ill-will, because he blames the Karma, never suffering living beings.

[@moletown4581]

The New Kadampa view of Dorje Shugden is that because he is a buddha he has love for all beings.@@gyadre

[@Peaceforever-q8m]

I stand with H H the 14th Dalai Lama 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@ArmandoGutierrezR]

Peace between all buddhist traditions, 🙏 we are all seeking liberation and benefiting others. Practice whatever your karma leads you to practice.

[@factspoken9062]

but the shugden followers wants to destroy all other traditions. They tried their best in tibet. it caused so much disunity in Tibet that when Chinese invaded Tibet they found it so easy. HadTtibetans united and held back emancipated, tired, and demoralised PLA cannon fodders for few years, then international pressure could have saved the holy nation of Tibet. Loss of independnce is caused by this spirit

[@ArmandoGutierrezR]

@@factspoken9062 I believe you got the information wrong. We only want to protect Geden tradition, but we value all other traditions. The disunity was caused after the Dalai Lama started segregating shugden practitioners, without that segregation there would not be so much hatred between tibetan traditions.

[@factspoken9062]

Today Tibetan shugdenpas must be 1 or two percent of the population. So it cannot be called as hatred between Tibetan tradition. It is just jamar koop daks pretending to believe for the sake of money. It is clear from ex-dolgyalwa Lama tsetas video. Why do you think 5th Dalai lama said dont follow DS. More over the Thirteen Dalai Lama was fully against it and as such maintained the independence of Tibet. Moment the 13th passed away, evil follower of DS raised their ugly head. Yet Ling Rinpoche the SENIOR tutor warned Dalai Lama to investigate before embracing any spirits. As Sakya gongma says, Tibet lost its independence when unity was at the lowest. Who caused this disunity? Your shugden ofcourse@@ArmandoGutierrezR

[@rabgahere1640]

I stand with his holiness dalai lama 🙏

[@Alex-jtfIi9bgfIj1vqh]

Also Genla Thubten - Neil Elliott, second in command to kelsang gyatso was disrobed for the same reasons serious sexual abuse & misconduct. But was reinstated after 3 years.

[@amigos2841]

Well I am a follower of Jodo Shu (Japanese Pureland) so have nothing to do with the Tibetan Buddhists but will say I am on the Dalai Lama's side

[@penpa888]

Long Live H.H. The Great 14 Dalai Lama 🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹We Stand With H.H. The Great 14 Dalai Lama Nawang Lobsang Yeshi Tenzin Gyatso 🙏🙏🙏

[@phiIippa-bvIi8sd]

We Are On The Side Of H.H. The 14 Dalai Lama. ♥️🙏🌹♥️🙏🌹♥️🙏🌹♥️🙏🌹♥️.

[@rewahope7636]

i stand with his holiness dalai lama...my root guru long live... Shugdan is a ghoast

[@lucyjames365]

There are thirty-two Deities within the body mandala of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang (Je Tsongkhapa), and it is these Deities who manifest as the thirty-two Deities of Dorje Shugden's mandala. This was explained by Je Phabongkhapa, an emanation of Heruka, in his prayer to Dorje Shugden: "The aggregates, elements, sources, and limbs of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang Appear in the aspect of the five Lineages of Dorje Shugden and their retinues. Realizing that in reality I am practising the yoga of the thirty-two Deities of the body mandala, I offer this practice to you, O five lineages of Dorje Shugden; please accept it with delight. Of the Deities of the five lineages of Dorje Shugden, the principal Deity is Duldzin Dorje Shugden. He is a manifestation of the aggregate of consciousness of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang. Vairochana Shugden is a manifestation of the form aggregate of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang, Ratna Shugden is a manifestation of his aggregate of feeling, Päma Shugden is a manifestation of his aggregate of discrimination, and Karma Shugden is a manifestation of his aggregate of compositional factors. Many sadhanas of Dorje Shugden state that Dorje Shugden is the embodiment of the 'Guru, Yidam, and Protector'.

[@achristinaopame.tiuIf3jlos]

​​​​@@lucyjames365 Self Deceived & Delusional western white women in the nkt.

[@achristinaopame.tiuIf3jlos]

People Be Warned. Please Keep Well Away From This NKT - IKBU, Brainwashing, Mind Control, Recruitment CULT.

[@pemadolker-ef5dk]

my god is 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️H.H DALAI LAMA❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@lisabracewell9668]

I have been practicing Kadampa Buddhism for nearly 30 years. Like any tradition it has grown and continues to learn. Like any tradition, it is not perfect. I have freinds and family ordained and who practice other Buddhist traditions. We often will debate with respect. It has never been a conflict to me, in fact I find different views interesting and healthy. I also have read some of the Dalai Lamas books and respect his wisdom. I choose to live in a Buddhist centre and we also have people who live there that also do not follow the NKT but follow their own spiritual path. This is not a problem, we have choice. However after studying for many years I find in my heart that Geshe Kelsangs teachings are the clearest I have found personally. To be honest, I didnt protest but I really find it really confusing why this happened as a buddhist. Also after spending a considerable time in Dorje Shugden Monastery in Nepal I saw first hand the impact this ban had on monks and their families. It was confusing and really sad. I respect the Dalai Lama and as the video clearly states in a slightly negative way that we see Geshe Kelsang as an emanation of Buddha Manjushri. . In the same way people beleive that the Dalai Lama is an emanation of Buddha Avoliketishvara , buddha of compassion. How we veiw our teacher depends on our faith. But faith is very personal as any Buddhist will tell you. We are never encouraged to have blind faith. As Buddhists from all traditions we all beleive that Buddha, an enlightened being can emanate in any form depending on the persons karma. For my brother thats another tradition, for me its the NKT and Dorje Shugden and his retinue including Mahakala and Yamantaka. Where I live there are 3 different traditions in my town. When people ask about the difference, I always tell them "try them all and see what feels right in your heart". We all have different karma. There is a beautiful Kagyu centre nearby where friends attend. On this special day of Je Tsong Khapa I am rejoicing in all the kindness I have recieved from my teacher and I am also rejoicing in all the other teachers who share the dharma, including his holiness the Dalai Lama. May we all find our peace with respect for each other and our traditions and dharma protectors. May we all heal our hearts and minds and awaken through the dharma, whatever tradition.. The world needs this now more than ever. Om Tare Tuttare Ture Soha ...

[@lisabracewell9668]

@rinata-uiIf1ejIurWe have free choice. I respect yours 🙏

[@pepe-xzi2gIju]

*Search; NKT Cult.*

[@gerry-wfIjp2qiIv]

30 years waisted in a Cult.

[@christo-wbiIft5zq]

*Please Read newest comments on here first.*

[@lucyjames365]

As a Buddhist in the tradition of Buddha Shakyamuni, Je Tsongkhapa, and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, I first made peaceful protests against the Dalai Lama in 1996. Then again in 2008. Then again in 2014. And then again in 2015. I did not become a Buddhist in order to do this. Protesting against one of the world’s most popular figures was not something I’d ever envisaged in my life plan. I have nothing against the man personally and would love nothing more than to live and let live. But the Dalai Lama has made this very difficult for me. Typical sign in Gelugpa monastery: "Those who propitiate Dorje Shugden or Have Association with Followers of Shugden May Not Attend or Explore The Territory of the On Going Teaching Program.” I could go into the ins and outs of how and why the Dalai Lama has banned the practice of Dorje Shugden for political gain using mickey-mouse reasoning and jingoistic superstitions that anyone with ten minutes of Buddhist education could refute, eg, doing this practice destroys Tibet’s hopes of independence and shortens the Dalai Lama’s life. I have looked into all the Dalai Lama’s speeches and their refutations in detail in the past, as have many others, including wise and learned scholars, Yogis and Buddhist masters; and you can find the debates all over the Internet. But why I and many others protested comes down, I think, to something very simple that everyone can understand. We stood up for the fundamental human right to defend ourselves against slander and to have the freedom to practice whatever religion we choose. Seen from the perspective of compassion, the maze of arcane reasoning and obscure religious history doesn’t seem so complicated. We were simply asking for freedom. It is not really that complicated at all.

[@andreas-mjI6idIw]

The NKT Recruitment Cult, then changed peaceful PROTESTS into ABUSIVE PROTESTS quickly for many years against H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama. everyone knows what they were doing, working with the Chinese ccp to try & bring down the Dalai Lama. Ofcourse it didn't work. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXuQdKaipJqIadk

[@pepe-biIq6Ij0w]

Search: NKT Cult.

[@gabimarkify]

No one was endangering YOUR rights to practice what you want. It was the NKT that interfered with a Tibetan Buddhist issue, when the NKT claims they're not even Tibetan Buddhists! The NKT was never interested in going to the HH Dalai Lama's teachings, your personal freedoms were not curbed. And yet, as you say, you and your organization stalked the Dalai Lama for decades, organized disgusting demos, humiliated him in public and online, called him saffron robed Muslim and portrayed him as the devil and hitler. You guys organized twitter storms. You've prevented people who went to listen to the Dalai Lama from receiving buddhist teachings by making noise and blocking venues. Some of your monks and nuns even disrupted the teachings of the Dalai Lama. Your guru probably never told you, it's not in any of Kelsang Gyatso's books anyway, that preventing people from receiving the dharma is the absolute worst thing you can do according to the Buddha (the real one), no amount of shiny temples and centers will purify that karma. 😢

[@aquicommeusbotoes]

Obrigado por seu testemunho. Concordo com você. Obrigado por ser compassivo, educado, didático , e por não usar palavras repletas de ódio. Tashi Delek!

[@darrellprice7014]

I stopped formal practice including this some time ago because the conflicts it was creating simply troubled me too much. I think this has more to do with Tibetan cultural dynamics and conflicts then we in the West can really understand. I guess I've resolved it simply. I still do some of the practices when I have the energy but I don't feel troubled by stopping this practice simply because it seems like our motivation as at least as important as any formal practice we're doing. I mean you can meditate and do rituals for lifetimes and it won't make any difference unless you're focusing on what you're doing with constructive motivation. Regardless of what you're doing it seems like if that's what motivates you then from a karmic perspective I don't see a problem regardless of what the books say. In 2008 I went toN KT retreat in the UK. Although not flawless my experience with the NKT one of the best in my life

[@notbuddha3982]

I stand with HHDL 🙏🏻❤🇦🇺

[@notbuddha3982]

@@Master_Blackthorne what do all the noses mean ? Cocaine use ?

[@Master_Blackthorne]

@@notbuddha3982 Look again, smartass.

[@nonostanzin678]

Long live HH the great 14 dalia lama🙏🙏🙏💐

[@recoveringfromfakenonduali7108]

LOVE this video because I feel a sense of neutrality from you- that you are trying to report the facts as best you can without taking sides. Kudos and gratitude.

[@recoveringfromfakenonduali7108]

@sebrina-piIf8xjv I watched it. So they dispute his claim to be the religious leader of Tibetan Buddhism? What's the big deal.

[@sebrina-jIku4iIm]

Watch; 'The Ugly Side Of The New Kadampa Tradition'. Then Read, Reuters News, Search: "China co ops a Buddhist sect in global effort to smear Dalai Lama"..

[@MichaelFoss-gg3ph]

Kelsang Gyatso stole the ManjushrimInstitute from Lama Yeshe, why does no one mention that?

[@s.geschke]

You can ask Lama Thubten Yeshe, he has re-incarnated as Tenzin Ösel Hita Torres (Lama Ösel Rinpoche). See what he will tell you about his relationship to Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. Direct evidence in favor of the NKT.

[@demetrious-mjhiI37nlm]

MichaelFoss-gg3ph • Yes you are correct, everyone knows and it's common knowledge these day's about how Manjushri, a valuable piece of real estate, was extorted from the FPMT when Kelsang Gyatso blackmailed Lama Yeshe, the person without whom he would never have gotten to the West.

[@Lobsangtonden]

That’s true and hardly anyone mentions this, plus as I mentioned above it was the late Lama Yeshe who invited Kelsang Gyatso to teach to UK, not Trijang Rinpoche. Some clear real and important facts are missing in this video.

[@fernandoblanco6765]

Who was the leader, who practiced Dorje Shugden for years and left it, who made the decision to ban a centuries-old practice, who took this discriminatory step persecuting many of his fellow citizens? Answer these questions and you will be responsible for this sectarianism, simple as that, and you will know who the false leader is. The other side simply said no and continued to follow their faith, bringing the teachings to all migrants

[@demetrious-mjhiI37nlm]

Genla Samden of the NKT ask your teacher about him.

[@Jack-ngifIj7fkjpm]

Don't get yourself into serious debt because of the NKT Cult. Whether Monetary, Savings, Loans, Credit Cards, Finance or Underwriting. You're being deliberately taken advantage of and scammed.

[@milarepa9756]

As a youth Tibetan it’s the biggest mistake n the seed to unrest society..my question is when he has no issue wearing a Muslim cap himself n encouraging Muslim but he has zero tolerance towards Shukden which thousands of Tibetans believe in as a leader it’s very dangerous decision n irresponsible act. I respect HHD but we can’t turn blind on these issue that effects our society. We are small society n we must believe in unity instead of division. Love n Respect 🙏🙏

[@pandaofficialz7259]

This soo called shungden is invented in china.... Sa called gyase is one of their puppets..... 😂😂😂

[@lucyjames365]

I agree with you, unity is so important. Why squabble like children.

[@achristinaopame.tiuIf3jlos]

​​​@@pandaofficialz7259 Yes Rauters confirmed in their article the NKT Cult was in league with the CCP to bring down the 14th Dalai Lama, in the Cults protest endeavours campaign. Search, 'The ugly side of the New kadampa tradition'..

[@gyadre]

Main issue is Shugden instigate denigration of Non Geluk other three sects and Ningma in particular. It has history of destructive episodes eg in early 20th century the staunch Shugden preacher ordered the destruction of Ningma monastery in Tibet which lead to destruction of Ningma monasteries in eastern Tibet. Wearing Muslim cap or any other religious or cultural is showing respect.

[@Master_Blackthorne]

@@gyadre Pabongkhapa Déchen Nyingpo is the name of this hateful teacher. He inspired so much destruction of the Nyingma schools and their monasteries that his name is still remembered with loathing. His followers desecrated statues of Padmasambhava, Guru Rinpoche which is on the same level of the CCCP. Pabongkhapa also condemned the Bardo Thodo (Tibetan Book of the Dead) which was written by Guru Rinpoche by saying that it was written by someone who was drunk.

[@Lobsangtonden]

Actually it wasn’t Trijang Rinpoche who invited Kelsang Gyatso to the UK, it was the late Lama Yeshe. In my opinion they should start saying the truth about simple issues like that.

[@BestTibetanSongs]

Evil spirit and dangerous for ur life

[@lucyjames365]

For 400 years of sincere practitioners, including the tutors of the 14th Dalai Lama, Dharmapala Dorje Shugden was not experienced as a spirit, let alone an evil spirit. He is a fully enlightened being. Out of great compassion for all sentient beings, Dorje Shugden reincarnated as a Dharma Protector in order to be of benefit. He arose from a long line of incarnations that stem all the way back to the Bodhisattva of Wisdom, Manjushri. In each lifetime, he manifested great compassion and wisdom as can be seen in each existence’s tremendous contribution to preserving and propagating the Buddha’s teachings. In particular, the earlier incarnations performed many miraculous deeds because it was easier for people to gain faith through miracles at that time. Later incarnations focused on spreading and teaching the Dharma.

[@s.geschke]

@@Master_Blackthorne @user-uu4gp8dd2v Why? Explain. Don´t just speak out of hatred. Purify this negative Karma from your heart. Explain with wisdom.

[@sngweiliang]

@@s.geschke Maybe dalai lama banned the practice of dorje shugden because it will give the people too much wisdom to think for themselves. Just kidding, but seriously it's annoying to see tibetans just blindly parroting their lord and saviour dalai lama without any crititcal thinking.

[@s.geschke]

@@sngweiliang This is absolutely the point: blindly parroting😓. I deeply wish that Buddhas Wisdom and Buddhas Blessings will touch their hearts / minds and that they and every living being will learn to practice and see for themselves ... instead of drowning deeper and deeper into the ocean of Samsara. The precious Dharma seems to be wasted when we don´t make an effort to think and practice it ourselves ... what a shame.

[@MoLeToWN35]

Thank you. Buddhism teaches that we are protected from harm from spirits by sincerely taking refuge in Buddha.

[@AnRo123]

I support the Rime Movement.

[@jigmetrinchen4873]

Follow simple clear obvious teaching of Buddha shakya muni. Available easily in every library book...four noble truths, ten virtues ten non virtuous....so basic common teaching ❤❤❤❤❤

[@naturalhigh9909]

No deitie's can be helpful because they can temporarily alter state of mind.. It can be helpful in enlightenment. Trantic path is easy and gradual

[@s.geschke]

Please come to an international or national Kadampa festival and talk to different people. I guarantee you that most Kadampas will talk to you openly and kindly about these issues. I talked to Kadampa and Non-Kadampa Buddhists about these matters the first 5-7 years in Buddhism and I came to a very clear understanding of these matters. Every Buddhist tradition has advanced and realized practitioners, but also people on different levels of the path to liberation and enlightenment. Some are maybe at the very beginning and may say things that are not in line with Buddha's teachings or the Kadampa way of life. I am sure, you can clarify and purify these issues over time. However, you have choice! Choose any Buddhist or non-Buddhist Tradition that suits you well 😉 My only heartfelt advice: never leave the spiritual path!!!🪔 Much love and all the best to all of you🙏🦚🌱🍀💚🌈🌠

[@TseringDhondup-u2f]

Is there any prove that tsongkhapa following Dorjee shukden?

[@gerry-wfIjp2qiIv]

No there is not any proof.

[@surajkhan6070]

There is no doubt that is an evil spirits worshiping

[@lucyjames365]

There is in fact every doubt. You are holding a superstitious ill-informed view. There are thirty-two Deities within the body mandala of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang (Je Tsongkhapa), and it is these Deities who manifest as the thirty-two Deities of Dorje Shugden's mandala. This was explained by Je Phabongkhapa, an emanation of Heruka, in his prayer to Dorje Shugden: "The aggregates, elements, sources, and limbs of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang Appear in the aspect of the five Lineages of Dorje Shugden and their retinues. Realizing that in reality I am practising the yoga of the thirty-two Deities of the body mandala, I offer this practice to you, O five lineages of Dorje Shugden; please accept it with delight. Of the Deities of the five lineages of Dorje Shugden, the principal Deity is Duldzin Dorje Shugden. He is a manifestation of the aggregate of consciousness of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang. Vairochana Shugden is a manifestation of the form aggregate of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang, Ratna Shugden is a manifestation of his aggregate of feeling, Päma Shugden is a manifestation of his aggregate of discrimination, and Karma Shugden is a manifestation of his aggregate of compositional factors. Many sadhanas of Dorje Shugden state that Dorje Shugden is the embodiment of the 'Guru, Yidam, and Protector'.

[@achristinaopame.tiuIf3jlos]

NKT - IKBU, has nothing to do with Buddhism, Please Keep Well Away From This Dangerous Evil Mind Control Recruitment CULT.

[@Hector-bfjIy5aiIrn]

Don't Ruin Your Relationship, Career, Life, Family, Don't be deceived, This NKT Recrutment Cult Is Not Buddhism.

[@sonamlama7205]

absolutely evils sprites You have to research back to history

[@lucyjames365]

There are thirty-two Deities within the body mandala of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang (Je Tsongkhapa), and it is these Deities who manifest as the thirty-two Deities of Dorje Shugden's mandala. This was explained by Je Phabongkhapa, an emanation of Heruka, in his prayer to Dorje Shugden: "The aggregates, elements, sources, and limbs of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang Appear in the aspect of the five Lineages of Dorje Shugden and their retinues. Realizing that in reality I am practising the yoga of the thirty-two Deities of the body mandala, I offer this practice to you, O five lineages of Dorje Shugden; please accept it with delight. Of the Deities of the five lineages of Dorje Shugden, the principal Deity is Duldzin Dorje Shugden. He is a manifestation of the aggregate of consciousness of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang. Vairochana Shugden is a manifestation of the form aggregate of Lama Losang Tubwang Dorjechang, Ratna Shugden is a manifestation of his aggregate of feeling, Päma Shugden is a manifestation of his aggregate of discrimination, and Karma Shugden is a manifestation of his aggregate of compositional factors. Many sadhanas of Dorje Shugden state that Dorje Shugden is the embodiment of the 'Guru, Yidam, and Protector'.

[@sebrina-jIku4iIm]

Watch: "The Ugly Side of The New Kadampa Tradition".

[@kaisermaligator9417]

I thought the NKT was a cult. Followers cannot read any other literature other than that of their cult leader?

[@s.geschke]

This is not true. Geshe-la gives comments to traditional texts, but we also study the traditional texts. Why are there so many unkind rumors? Check the facts yourself, don´t belive all this hate speech.

[@kaisermaligator9417]

@@s.geschke like he never received his Geshe degree? From what I HAVE researched I stand by my claims, prove me wrong

[@s.geschke]

@@kaisermaligator9417 The argument were the books that we read and study in NKT. You are jumping to a different argument now.

[@s.geschke]

@@kaisermaligator9417 And „research“ on the internet does not work. Your Karma directs you to certain appearances. Go to a NKT center and EXPERIENCE the kindness and wisdom of many great scholars.

[@kaisermaligator9417]

@@s.geschke sorry is that allowed. Please show me where you can read different books. From my understanding from attending a NKT meeting was that you were only allowed to read text written by the cult leader. My other point is valid, he didn’t receive his Geshe degree??

[@Everest4Peace]

Shugden followers or non followers are all same as all are bound equally in the same field of Buddha Nature. There shouldn't be any issue at all right from the very beginning

[@s.geschke]

Absolutely right. Only dualistic, deluded minds project these false ideas. We need to exist Samsara realizing emptiness. People who realized emptiness would never discuss like this. Very ordinary.

[@christo-wiInI3dn]

NKT is just trying to get money out of you to con & cheat you.

[@Traumatose]

Why worship or even call upon a tainted, vengeful spirit, such as Dolgyal? If you have Refuge and the proper empowerment, there's powerful Yidams, including Herukas, who never require you to follow a single, stunted and warped lineage or disparage the lama of lamas, the Dalai Lama, or any other teacher or teaching of Dharma. It is very brave and unbelievably foolish to follow a simple Geshe over all the Lamas of the Rimé and Gelug. Extremely arrogant to presume that a few books translated by this man could even start to open the way of the Dharma. A man, followers of whom didn't get the news of the teachers passing for the longest time, barring these followers from all the myriad of practices a student is wise to do for the benefit of both. Putting this blood-thirsty ghost above the Buddha either leads one nowhere (in the best scenario), or to a horrible end like for the poor Tsem, the bloated mess he became at the end of his conflicted life. The Dalai Lama is Rimé, but that impure ghost is not. What a shameful botch.

[@Renee-uiefIt76eqjfIiurndv64mqh]

*Watch: What the New Kadampa Tradition Teachers Monks and Nuns Do and don't want you to see close up.*

[@factspoken9062]

Buddhism came to Tibet in 8th century and flourished. Gelugpa sect started only in 15th century. Shugden spirit came up only in the 17th century. Mahayana and Theravda never heard of this evil divisive jealous spirit. Even in Tibetan Buddhism, Nyingma, Kagyu (8branches), sakya, Jornang have nothing to do with this spirit. Even in the Gelug tradition, great Gelug leaders like 5th Dalai Lama advised against this spirit. When it comes to the modern day. Dalai Lama's SENIOR tutor was against the spirit. Dalai lamas junior tutor used it in a way like Prospero used Caliban ( Shakespeare's The Tempest). Fore seeing the confusion after his death , the Last advice of Trijang Rinpoche to his disciple was that : "After my demise you all should look upon Dalai Lama as your teacher, follow whatever he preaches without any question. Anyone who does otherwise is breaking samaya with me"

[@DaveHawthorne-lk9mz]

TSakya leaders practiced and recommended Dorje Shugden protector practice as the Karma from Mahakala and other protector practises was weak. The real question is why does the current dalai lama not want you to have protection?

[@factspoken9062]

Protection from whom? CCPs? There is a video on youtube where Sakya Trizin speaks about Dolgyal and how insignificant this spirit is. To use his word, he said " Khor gi yankhor"🤣it means servant of the servant@@DaveHawthorne-lk9mz

[@GraceKirk-k8y]

DaveHawthorne-lk For me it's simple. Peace of mind/heart is what we aspire to that's our most valuable possession ... once attained we must learn how to protect it ... not by attacking anyone ... but by being prepared to defend it from those who are jealous of it and wish to destroy it. Beneath all of the many behaviours and habits of human beings... is the desire for peace ... not gold or material riches. Just peace. And for that we have to BE peace. Dorje Shugden protects that peace. DS warns people by his wrathful appearance ... "Respect my peace. Leave your aggro outside please or you are not welcome."

[@factspoken9062]

To become a legit buddhist teacher one must undergoe rigorous study spanning at the least 18 to 23 years. Then around 5 to ten years minimum of solitary retreat and contemplation under the guidance of qualified master. Then you become a "genla". Genla at NKT just have 2 to 3 years of study @@GraceKirk-k8y

[@sebrina-jIku4iIm]

Watch: "The Ugly Side of The New Kadampa Tradition".

[@མིགཤིསབརྟནཔོགངསཅནཔ]

Spreading the fake and misleading the public. We stand with his holiness the Dalai Lama.

[@maurice-fIic9juwv2qbrnfItjdb]

*Watch, "The Ugly Side Of The New Kadampa Tradition"*

[@Iin-jip7mtIiqy]

*Please Read newest comment's on here first.*

[@Tibet-kt7hx]

Do you know kadampa confidence??

[@mkartmkart6335]

I am a wanderer, Even spiritual teachers can be wrong. I dont know all about Compassion, but i believe I need it to be a good human being, which is the goal of humanity above all.

[@naturalhigh9909]

No it is trantric path it is diffrent than other form of buddhism. In this form you can call deities by their refuges, practices, mantra etc. They can alter state of mind temporally so you can understand and apply dharma easily in your life. It is said it is more gradual and more speedy way of enlightenment.

[@BuddhaLove77]

Shakyamuni had no sects We must make ourselves the light and the Dharma your light. One Luv. 🙏❤

[@Mojolife452]

Long live HIS HOLINESS THE DALAI LAMA👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@youdonshah2023]

You always bring us nonsense topic .....

[@travelzing1234]

Informative ,I really needed pure story thank you

[@victorearl462jvtf6l4]

Watch: 'An Unholy Row' BBC Documentary, where this video is taken from.

[@terencewhalen1504]

What is the accent? Is the speaker pro KD, pro Dl, or pro china?

[@ogathingo8885]

Does Buddha not teach love and compassion and avoid hatred??? So how can this new religion call them self Buddhist and spread hatred…??? I agree that Dalai Lama could have approached differently in this issues but any religion, who brings discontentment in this already volatile world , should not call themself Buddhist or Buddha is a joke!!!

[@s.geschke]

What about the hatred of HH DL towards all Shugden Practitioners and especially against his own root Guru Dorjechang Trijang Rinpoche??

[@lucyjames365]

As a Buddhist in the tradition of Buddha Shakyamuni, Je Tsongkhapa, and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, I first made peaceful protests against the Dalai Lama in 1996. Then again in 2008. Then again in 2014. And then again in 2015. I did not become a Buddhist in order to do this. Protesting against one of the world’s most popular figures was not something I’d ever envisaged in my life plan. I have nothing against the man personally and would love nothing more than to live and let live. But the Dalai Lama has made this very difficult for me. sign in Gelugpa monastery: Those who propitiate Dorje Shugden or Have Association with Followers of Shugden May Not Attend or Explore The Territory of the On Going Teaching Program.” I could go into the ins and outs of how and why the Dalai Lama has banned the practice of Dorje Shugden for political gain using mickey-mouse reasoning and jingoistic superstitions that anyone with ten minutes of Buddhist education could refute, eg, doing this practice destroys Tibet’s hopes of independence and shortens the Dalai Lama’s life. I have looked into all the Dalai Lama’s speeches and their refutations in detail in the past, as have many others, including wise and learned scholars, Yogis and Buddhist masters; and you can find the debates all over the Internet. But why I and many others protested comes down, I think, to something very simple that everyone can understand. We stood up for the fundamental human right to defend ourselves against slander and to have the freedom to practice whatever religion we choose. Seen from the perspective of compassion, the maze of arcane reasoning and obscure religious history doesn’t seem so complicated. We were simply asking for freedom. It is not really that complicated at all.

[@lucyjames365]

@kim-a4ijko1625 This is a vicious comment and also not true. You would know this if you weren't just repeating propaganda but took the trouble to spend any time with any of the millions of Gelug and Kadampa Buddhists who rely on Dorje Shugden to improve their compassion and wisdom, following Je Tsongkhapa's teachings to attain enlightenment.

[@danpan001]

​@@lucyjames365I am a Catholic and neutral. But the bottom line is DL can not ban you or others practice whatever you want. They just don't want to associate with a spirit they think is harmful. They maybe wrong but they have the freedom to practice what they want.

[@s.geschke]

@@danpan001 The situation is that people don´t have the freedom to practice what they want. People got banned from society and discriminated for their beliefs, even though these beliefs are correct according to all Buddhist masters before HH DL.

[@yamamushi]

I think the people choosing "sides" in the comments here are completely missing the point. There are no sides, there is only mind.

[@h2g212]

Dorje Shugden! His time has come! Much love!

[@christo-wiInI3dn]

NKT is just trying to get money out of you, to con & cheat you.

[@stevewallschlaeger1379]

this is an impartial report with respect of both ways of thinking. i believe in Geshles teachings the Dalai Lama speaks rigidly against Dorje Shugden. our brothers are brothers even if we disagree. we believe Atishas Prayer the thousand arms of Avolokiteshvara Vajradara Manjushri and Vajrapani. the 84000 classes of Holy Dharma. Dorje Shugden is one of the 5 lineages of Buddha Sakyamuni. we should know that learning to cherish others is the most important path to world peace and our own peace of mind in particular. Peace. Go for Refuge to Buddha Dharma Sangha recognize reduce and abandon self cherishing. please abandon the causes of samsara. stop fighting. cherish each other then the whole world will permanently be at peace

[@321itsshowtime]

I’ve spent time with NKT in derby and it’s a cult! They kicked off when I mentioned the Dalai Lama…. It was very strange

[@s.geschke]

Nobody is forced to join the NKT. If you don´t like it, choose a path that suits you. But don´t engage in hateful and discriminating speech. If your mind perceives the NKT as a cult, you might consider that you haven´t objectively observed the NKT. The definition of a cult does not fit the NKT. You can choose any tradition that suits you well to attain liberation and enlightenment. Your job is your mind. If your mind is still in Samsara, your mind might trick you. I know people in the NKT who are pure love, compassion, and wisdom - if you meet them you cannot deny the beauty of these pure people. Further, Geshe-la presents Kadam Dharma in a pure and undistorted way - if you read these words with blessings of Buddha it is a powerful source to purify your delusions / negative Karma and change your mind to wisdom and compassion - protecting you. Dharma is protection, don´t get confused gossiping about people who still strive for liberation and enlightenment.

[@s.geschke]

Search, Dalai Lama says no need to discriminate against Dorje Shugden (Wesak 2021). The discussion is over.

[@321itsshowtime]

@@s.geschke I’ve seen it my friend I’m just going off my own experience. It just felt really strange that the only books available in the library were shugden readings and I was not able to talk about the Dalai Lama.

[@pepe-xzi2gIju]

*Search; NKT Cult.*

[@s.geschke]

@@pepe-xzi2gIju Wow Pepe, why are your statements that short? Doesn’t seem that you really bother about the topic. If your motivation is just destructive, no point of considering your superficial comments.

[@moletown4581]

'Interview With Geshe Kelsang - Google Groups'. New window, not You Tube. Someone has written out an interview that Yvonne Nilles did with Geshe Kelsang in the mid 1990s. For some balance. Thank you.

[@denisepeter7050]

All these videos are very old, at least 30 years.

[@kaymakchievclairvoyant]

there apear to be some positive members of dorje shugden

[@demetrious-mjhiI37nlm]

Everyone knows and it's common knowledge these day's, about how Manjushri, a valuable piece of real estate, was extorted from the FPMT when Kelsang Gyatso blackmailed Lama Yeshe, the person without whom he would never have gotten to the West.

[@ArnauSalaSaez]

Hi, I am curious to know: what did they blackmail Lama Yeshe with?

[@robin-hkIjc6eiq]

​@@ArnauSalaSaez Search it up.

[@Julie-bpaqfI4tjIfv]

Comments are all Negative regarding this NKT Cult.

[@_mariahs_lamb_4ever848]

Had no clue they was beefin like that

[@serpomlibrary888]

thanks for

[@admiralbillom7559]

prayers for gedhun choekyi nyima.

[@ABGSutra]

Religious freedom, the freedom to practice religion and spirituality as one wishes, should be easy to agree on. The belief that this Dorje Shugdan practice harms anyone is pure superstition. I’ve looked at the arguments on both sides of this issue for many years, going back to articles in Tricycle magazine way back in the 90s, and it all leads to the same place. The ban has ostracized families throughout the Tibetan community and they suffer badly because of it. Yes, it’s a de facto ban, as you hear from the Dalai Lama in this piece. So who is sectarian? Who is authoritarian? We need to think objectively. Who promotes religious freedom in this scenario?

[@moletown4581]

Please read the Donald Lopez interview with Geshe Kelsang Gyatso for Tricycle magazine from the mid 1990s.

[@sebrina-jIku4iIm]

Watch: "The Ugly Side of The New Kadampa Tradition".

[@Nawarangsarit]

This is why Theravada is wayyyy better

[@Master_Blackthorne]

Believe me, there are some very nasty passages about Theravada Buddhism which His Holiness the Dalai Lama told us to ignore. Some of them come from those lamas who propitiated Shugden.

[@Nawarangsarit]

@@Master_Blackthorne If buddha came back, he would denied Mahayana since it depends so much on holy deities instead of his actual teachings. Let's not forget how Mahayana monks wear their robe, which is totally wrong.

[@moletown4581]

From the NKT (my) point of view, Dorje Shugden is an emanation of Je Tsongkhapa. Dorje Shugden's role is to protect the inner and outer development of Kadampa Buddhism for the benefit of living beings. NKT are never taught that Dorje Shugden either was, or is. any kind of vengeful evil spirit.

[@lucyjames365]

Agreed. Quite the opposite of being an evil spirit (and why would anyone worship an evil spirit?! lol), he is an emanation of the Wisdom Buddha Manjushri. As explained by 400 years' worth of Buddhist masters, including most recently Je Phabongkhapa, Trijang Dorjechang, Lama Yeshe of the FPMT, and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso.

[@achristinaopame.tiuIf3jlos]

​​​@@lucyjames365 You Are Delusional.

[@achristinaopame.tiuIf3jlos]

​PEOPLE BE WARNED. Please Keep Well Away From This NKT - IKBU, it's a Very Dangerous Brainwashing, Mind Control, Recruitment CULT.

[@lucyjames365]

@kim-a4ijko1625 Man, you're vicious! Wow.

[@s.geschke]

@kim-a4ijko1625 Do you know argumentation or do you simply say the same thing over and over again? We can not be like dogs, we are humans, we think and try to argue clearly and kindly.

[@lobsangchomphel3799]

Those gods are for elder generations, and we new generations don't care about it because those gods can't do anything, and that's why we are exiled.

[@Renee-uiefIt76eqjfIiurndv64mqh]

*Watch: What The New Kadampa Tradition Teachers Monks and Nuns Do and don't want you to see close up.*

[@Matthew-g4x]

As someone from the west who is interested in Buddhism, this whole debate seems to make a mockery of the religion. I'm attracted to Buddhism for it's common sense and it's encouragement to experience the teachings for yourself. This Deity business just seems like cultural Tibetan nonsense. You might as well all be arguing over Santa Clause being an evil spirit or a Christmas protector. He's not even real. Grow up!

[@danchisholm1]

so unfortunate to watch both the dalai lama and the leader of kadampa attacking each other. I came to buddhism because I hoped it would avoid all the politics of many western faiths. I was wrong.

[@s.geschke]

Search, Dalai Lama says no need to discriminate against Dorje Shugden (Wesak 2021). The discussion is over.

[@pepe-xzi2gIju]

*Search; NKT Cult.*

[@s.geschke]

@@pepe-xzi2gIju Wow Pepe, why are your statements that short? Doesn’t seem that you really bother about the topic. If your motivation is just destructive, no point of considering your superficial comments.

[@maurice-fIic9jwv]

People don't want to get involved once they know it's a scam and a evil shugden worship & guru geshela worship Recrutment Cult. Then know the NKT Cult wants you to move into a Cult center where you work like a slave for nothing & give the Cult all your MONEY, and TIME, FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RETURN, But False Promises. Don't Ruin your life, Please Keep Well Away From This Exploitative Recrutment Cult. AVOID.

[@demetrious-mjhiI37nlm]

It was the FRAUD, Expelled monk Kelsang Gyatso, who started attacking H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama. First.

[@davidmickles5012]

His Holiness the Dalai Lama has many great books and Kelsang Gyatso also has a talent for writing very clear explanations. They are both my "teachers" in that sense. I have had several very good teachers and a few bad teachers. Sometimes the good teachers slip up and give a bad teaching. and sometimes the bad teachers accidently give a very good teaching. There is but ONE true guru called by many names. Look within your present experience to find her. 🙏❤

[@davidmickles5012]

@pepe-giaIfjI8yl All "religions" began as cults. I'm not defending NKT or anything they do, but a couple books I've read by Kelsang Gyatso are very well composed and clear. Everything is changing and change today is happening faster than ever. These labels like "cult" will soon fall away as anything useful. The "news" today is now almost completely exposed as bias or opinion, and in a similar manner all these religious, political & philosophical conflicts and disagreements, ALL of them, are being exposed as merely relative localized biases, prejudice and preferences which will become trivial as communication becomes more interdependent. As I mentioned, even bad teachers sometimes provide good information and so the final "authority" is only the wisdom of enlightenment itself. Seek enlightenment 🙏❤

[@tru2harris998]

ABSOLUTE. LIES

[@Shizzie-5k]

I recently been going to a nkt meditation center.. simply cause of other temples near me are more cultural!! They are more English speaking at this center!! I read some books of nkt but i read all books on the dharma and that will never change!

[@roberto-evIki1Ijv]

*NKT = Shugdenite Authoritarian Worship Recrutment CULT.* *Expelled Monk Kelsang Gyatso = Fraud + Conman, that they also worship.* *Shugden = EVIL Spirit.* *AVOID This Recruitment Cult, it has NOTHING to do with Buddhism, and has Ruined Many Peoples lives.*

[@pepe-biIq6Ij0w]

*Search, NKT Cult.*

[@s.geschke]

Search, Dalai Lama says no need to discriminate against Dorje Shugden (Wesak 2021). The discussion is over.

[@maurice-fIic9jwv]

Not everyone's stupid enough to get involved with a misrepresented evil shugden worship & guru geshela worship Recrutment Cult. Then move into a NKT Cult center where you work like a slave for nothing & give the Cult all your MONEY, and TIME, FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RETURN, But False Promises. Don't Ruin your life, Please Keep Well Away From This Exploitative NKT Recrutment Cult. AVOID.

[@maurice-fIic9jwv]

​@@s.geschke You told everyone that he's a false Dalai Lama and he's a Liar, and to Stop Lying. Why should I listen to you?

[@s.geschke]

@@maurice-fIic9jwv I did not say listen to me, nor did I say the Dalai Lama is false or lying. And if you search for what I mentioned before, H.H. the Dalai Lama clarifies the issue himself. Overcome false appearances, dualism and hate. Realize the Union of Guru Heruka Father and Mother, compassion and wisdom.

[@maurice-fIic9jwv]

​@@s.geschke You helped organise the protests against the Dalai Lama, you know exactly what the nkt protesters were calling the Dalai Lama a false Dalai Lama and a Liar.

[@s.geschke]

Search, Dalai Lama says no need to discriminate against Dorje Shugden (Wesak 2021). The discussion will be over then🥰

[@gerry-wfIjp2qiIv]

Search; 'The Ugly Side Of The New Kadampa Tradition'.

[@SiameseCats4ever]

The Sakya are actually the oldest Tibetan school while the Gelug the newest. This video says otherwise.

[@lobsangtenzin6368]

Good mor video

[@noigardner7068]

Please KZbin get dilai lama face his named out this channel

[@pepe-biIq6Ij0w]

*Search: NKT Cult.*

[@s.geschke]

Search, Dalai Lama says no need to discriminate against Dorje Shugden (Wesak 2021). The discussion is over.

[@maurice-fIic9jwv]

Not everyone's stupid enough to get involved with a misrepresented evil shugden worship & guru geshela worship Recrutment Cult. Then move into a NKT Cult center where you work like a slave for nothing & give the Cult all your MONEY, and TIME, FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RETURN, But False Promises. Don't Ruin your life, Please Keep Well Away From This Exploitative NKT Recrutment Cult. AVOID.

[@maurice-fIic9jwv]

​@@s.geschke Search. 'The Ugly Side of the New Kadampa Tradition'.

[@robin-hkIjc6eiq]

*Also Search; Recovery From The New Kadampa Tradition, A Resource Center.*

[@nottrulyexistent]

Tibet is not Shanghai-La. It is as politically contentious as any other country. The Dalai Lama is a political leader in Tibet. The business of disparaging dharma protectors is nothing new. It is a convenient political weapon in a theocratic government. The Dorje Shugden “controversy” is just just the latest installment of this. It’s pretty obvious that’s it’s a violation of freedom of religion, a basic human right , to ostracize people for their religious beliefs and deny them rights. It is also completely against the principles of vajrayana buddhism to go against one’s guru. The Dalai Lama’s own guru Trijang Rinpoche, practiced Dorje Shugden his whole life and is revered as buddha throughout Tibet.

[@ltenzin9]

It is the Dalai Lam’s strategy to conquer all the Tibetan Buddhist schools under his tradition, Gelugpa. Dorje Shugden is just an excuse. But he failed

[@Master_Blackthorne]

Nope, not true.

[@Master_Blackthorne]

@@pmt1489 This is true. It is the duty of His Holiness to examine practices and if they have negative consequences, recommend that they be discontinued.

[@Pechoe90]

Really 😂😂😂. Such poor thinkers u r. Ur point not matched by situation that we saw now. Four or five religions all have its right on their heritability and gurus. So dragging his holiness name out of context is showing ur mentality.

[@MemeLanddd1376]

Shugden is nothing but a demon. Not saying by this Dalai Lama but 5th Dalai Lama ok.

[@Master_Blackthorne]

@@MemeLanddd1376 Don't forget the 13th he was against the practice as well.

[@denisepeter7050]

Don’t forget that the Dali Lama or Kundan, told all the Tibetan monks and nuns to stop practicing and making prayers to Dorje Shugden. If they refused, he had them disrobe and Kicked them out of the monastery, in which many entered at the age of 8 years old. He petitioned businesses and hospitals to not serve anyone that practiced Dorje Shugden. Signs were posted on the doors of these businesses in India. These monks and nuns asked Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, to help them. We protested at many of the Dali Lama’s events, asking that he consider religious freedom. Many years later, the Dali Lama agreed to lay his dispute to rest. There still is the Old Kadampa tradition that caters to the Dali Lama.

[@s.geschke]

Search, Dalai Lama says no need to discriminate against Dorje Shugden (Wesak 2021). The discussion is over.

[@pepe-xzi2gIju]

*Search; NKT Cult.*

[@demetrious-mjhiI37nlm]

denisepeter7050 • NKT STOP LYING. Do your Research & Homework properly. This NKT is a RED FLAG Cult at the TOP of the Cult Watch, danger lists. Search. 'NKT Cult'.

[@denisepeter7050]

@@demetrious-mjhiI37nlm You stop lying. This information is from the nuns and monks that were disrobed in India. A decade or more ago.

[@gerry-wfIjp2qiIv]

​​@@denisepeter7050 The real reason is the NKT Cult were protesting H.H.The Dalai Lama. Search; 'The Ugly Side Of The New Kadampa Tradition'.

[@kaydee8017]

Asian Practitioners ask : Who am I? Western Practitioners ask: How come Guru Rimphoche is wearing a shoes? This channel is less about Teaching and more about gossip...

[@Aham-Na]

Think you have that reversed

[@s.geschke]

Absolutely right, it is a gossip group. We should not create such Karma. This is a very negative, unreflected, and unkind discussion. Very deluded!

[@maurice-fIic9jwv]

10's of Thousands have ended up with ruined lives or in a Psychiatric hospital because of this Cult over the many years. This New Kadampa Cult is not what it appears to be, AVOID.

[@mongolianboyz4915]

Om Benza wiki bitana sowhaa Yess want to know more about dorje shugden🙏🙏🙏 I'm a pure dorje shugden practitioner from Nepal at Kavre namobudha✌️✌️✌️

[@basantagurung369]

Me to from Nepal Kathmandu

[@s.geschke]

@kim-a4ijko1625 You don´t even know why? Think for yourself. Respect Venerable and Holy Phabongkha and Trijang Rinpoche. Our immeasurable kind root Gurus. What a disgrace this discussion is.

[@christo-wiInI3dn]

NKT is just trying to get money out of you to con & cheat you.

[@winterpurple4587]

The 'alleged' origin or story of Dorje Shugden is irrelevant. Pro-Dalai Lama people will always 'divert' the discussion to that to sidestep the crux of the matter. The bottom line is: If you are a true Democratic society then every faith would be allowed so long as it's not breaking any laws. Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Occultists co-exist in many Democratic societies today without having to ban one. The banning of Shugden practice is Undemocratic and shows what the "Da LIE Lama" is all about. I'm with Shugden practitioners ✊

[@luigarrida]

❤😊

[@JamphelDawa]

👏👏👏

[@nimadoma6951]

My protector my everything bhagwan Dorjee Sugden 🙏🙏

[@Paramasaugata]

As an Indian mahayani Buddhist, I can see who is dividing Tibetans and who is uniting them, Hail to hiss holiness, I have come to know that his holiness was absolutely right 🙏 It is these Shugden follower's who are sectarian, and want to start their own sect, they even don't follow Buddhist Vinaya (code of conduct), shame to see such division created by Shugden followers, they only see and promote dorje Shugden. For them dorje Shugden is everything, not the Buddha, how can a Buddha speak through Oracle, speaking through Oracle also shows that this deity Dorje Shugden is not enlightened 🙏 Moreover going to the refugee of a deity named Dorje Shugden is going against the Buddha, Buddha is only refugee that one should go 🙏 Dorje Shugden is not a canonical deity, he is created by his followers due to controversy that happened long time ago, a deity who is not canonical and created by bunch of followers should not be accepted, tomorrow someone will come and say look he is my deity incarnation of Buddha, so make him major deity in all schools, if not we will make our own cult, and defame those who are against my deity. This kind of pathetic thing will happen again and again in future, thus in order to stop such sectarianism Dalai Lama has rightly banned them 🙏 This was the only way to discourage secterainism, hence Dalai Lama is truly uniting people, hail to Dalai Lama 🙏

[@GraceKirk-k8y]

What is a Buddha? For me, a Buddha is not a guru, a deity, a statue or any other object of worship. A Buddha is a fully conscious human being with a mind of compassion and the wisdom to know how to use it AND protect it. Many believe Buddhism is about being nice and kind to everyone regardless of any abuse they may receive. But there is more to being a human being/Buddha than just sitting on a lotus and being nice. Personally, I'm not that kind of 'nice' Buddha. I see clearly, I hear clearly, I think clearly, I speak clearly and I feel clearly. And because of that I protect my mind, body, spirit, consciousness. I won't enable others to abuse me or my kindness or take it for granted. Kindness is what I and many others have to offer and that's why Dorje Shugden is an important facet/aspect of the human psyche to develop within us, especially women, because kindness and peace of mind are often what certain types of humans are jealous of and seek to destroy in us. Our peace of mind and our compassion must be protected with wisdom. ❤

[@rewahope7636]

who is this monk? Look like a ghoast

[@s.geschke]

Read his books, then you will know his mind. Looks are just superficial appearances. Buddhism is a training of the mind. Looks do not really matter.

[@gerry-wfIjp2qiIv]

The NKT Cult Leader deceased.

[@sebrina-jIku4iIm]

Watch: "The Ugly Side of The New Kadampa Tradition".

[@TheMoonlightMage]

Tsem Rinpoche supported both and said not to be divisive

[@alexavatar4427]

Tsem Rinpoche is who brought me to learn more about Dorje Shugden. I know he honored and respected both the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden. Dorje Shugden is said to be a dharma protector and emanation of Manjushri, in turn he should be seen as a Buddha. From this video, it seems that NKT has taken it a bit too far.

[@TheMoonlightMage]

@alexavatar4427 Hell, I was a practicing witch until my deities brought me to Buddha instead (I only asked for wisdom and patience lmao) so I like Tsem because I think he'd have understood even the gods want out of samsara. He made a blog post about his views on Hekate that earned my respect.

[@s.geschke]

Read what this Gelug Lama / Tulku (Tsem Rinpoche) writes about Geshe-la, google this: tsem rinpoche blessed-items-from-geshe-kelsang-gyatso

[@Master_Blackthorne]

And then built the biggest Shugden statue in the world and placed it ABOVE the statue of Buddha Shakyamuni? How does that encourage unity?

[@jonathantan1842]

​​@@Master_Blackthorneim gonna bet the biggest shugden statue is not bigger than the biggest shakyamuni statue. With limited funds and time. As his final devotion before his death he did what he had to do. There are numerous gigantic statues of buddha shakyamuni. If you have a divisive mind you will read divisiveness into anything. Live and let live. Everything is about trying to remove pre-conceived conceptions and achieve emptiness.

[@ymfg9004]

Interesting. What appears as a harmless INDEPENDENT look at the Shudgen situation is really an anti-NKT platform.

[@Wahbaaaaah]

I could not agree with you more.

[@christo-wiInI3dn]

NKT is just trying to get money out of you to con & cheat you.

[@pepe-xzi2gIju]

*Search; NKT Cult.*

[@donfades7869]

Theravada - proper Buddhism, study of Buddhas teachings, not Lama / guru worship

[@DaveHawthorne-lk9mz]

Youcast aspersion on other Buddhists. Really?

[@gerry-wfIjp2qiIv]

The NKT Cult is NOT BUDDHISM it's a dangerious Cult.

[@sebrina-jIku4iIm]

Watch: "The Ugly Side of The New Kadampa Tradition".

[@tenzinpassang2923]

M H H Dalai Lama followers

[@traceytwinkles6764]

All nuts dalainkama untrestworthybwakevfromvalk bs finfmd you path. Buddha would be laughing or crying at all this read the dhsmapads. Wake up. Not wasting my time listening to any more your power is with. Love to all. Toodledoo

[@DavidJohnson-eh5bj]

Promo SM

[@Vicky-nq1wh]

Nowadays no political do play any drama with this

[@emilgreene9037]

Bro the dalai lama is in the wrong there is no reason to kick out and marginalize other people over something like this

[@gerry-wfIjp2qiIv]

Don't Go To This NKT Happiness Cult. Search; 'The Ugly Side Of The New Kadampa Tradition'.

[@linhai7966]

Dorje Shugden is the real deal! Check out Tsem Rinpoche and the Oracle.

[@Vicky-nq1wh]

Wa nice explanation for this dharma protector ❤❤❤❤. Reality biography

[@taidelek9994]

Spirit worshing is not a part of Tibetan Bhudhism simple as that , and his holiness highlighted it before Tibetan bhudhism become corrupts.

[@s.geschke]

If this would be true, the Gelug lineage would be broken since the Fifth Dalai Lama: Ngawang Lobsang Gyatso (1617-1682), who was practicing Dorje Shugden already. And how can the holy Gelug lineage Gurus of Tibetan Buddhism be wrong? Because they obviously practiced Dorje Shugden, even composed texts / Sadhanas to the practice of Dorje Shugden: f.e., His Holiness Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche and His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. This is simply a deluded view. H.H. the 14 DL has, by the way, corrected his view in 2020 and reassured it in 2021.

[@pepe-xzi2gIju]

*Search; NKT Cult.*

[@s.geschke]

@@pepe-xzi2gIju Wow Pepe, why are your statements that short? Doesn’t seem that you really bother about the topic. If your motivation is just destructive, no point of considering your superficial comments.

[@s.geschke]

@@pepe-xzi2gIju Search, Dalai Lama says no need to discriminate against Dorje Shugden (Wesak 2021). The discussion is over.

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