The NEW Wahoo SYSTM Training Platform // All the details!

A complete overview of the new Wahoo SYSTM Training Platform, integrating The Sufferfest with new workouts and training programs, not just for cyclists.
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[@suzuki06g]

Just bought my first indoor trainer, a Wahoo Kickr and while things are going ok it could also be significantly better. Lot's of Wahoo videos out there, but it would make sense to number them so a new user could just in and be walked through the setup, startup and finally use of your bike trainers.

[@dpmccutcheon]

Love your quick pace.

[@DesFit]

Thanks!

[@arthurarbolado4834]

nice review Des!

[@DesFit]

Thanks Arthur!

[@BobMcAllan]

Sufferfest is (was) the best application for benchmarking and indoor training. Being part of the sufferlandrian team was great motivation and unsubscribing was like leaving the team. However, the application lacked a virtual coach to adaptively train both indoors and outdoors (!!) and this release, whilst an improvement has not included this function. I'm eager for the next release, to (re) subscribe.

[@coldfisao]

Thanks for the presentation. Seems like most features are still to come. Wahoo most often comes through on announced future features, but this looks and feels like an open beta with barely more than a reskin of Sufferfest.

[@DesFit]

I think this is stage one of getting SUF on a new platform but it’s nice to see the new ProRides, A Week With, and the On Location content. Eager to see where this goes. Thanks!

[@sunil3135]

Very good intro of the system. Is it possiblel to create custom workouts as in TrainerRoad?

[@shansingha]

Thanks 😊 informative

[@DesFit]

👍

[@MattSwain1]

Interesting and I might consider it in the future once outdoor activities are factored in because that seems like a real big omission right now

[@DesFit]

Has a lot of potential. Interested to see where they take it.

[@slapfan1]

I second, as soon as outdoor activities are in I’m making the switch from TR.

[@nathanf1759]

Thumbs for the FTP test lol 👍

[@DesFit]

Thanks Nathan! It was rough 😂

[@bobk1423]

Anyone who wears two smartwatches is a prophet to me, athletically speaking

[@31xrg]

I did a 1 h workout today but the resistance of the Kickr core did not change at all with the grade shown in the video (unlike Fulgaz and Rouvy).

[@highland-oldgit]

Jam tomorrow.

[@takenomorimonster]

The calendar is jacked. When performing a workout on the calendar, the finished workout shows up complete but the original workout is still there. Doubled up

[@arcadialive4265]

I’m impressed. Seems better than apple’s at first glance.

[@DesFit]

Definitely more than Apple offers in terms of true training but Fitness + has some niceties as well like the new group activities. I's nice to see different offerings for different target audiences.

[@arcadialive4265]

@@DesFit I really like the bike rides. Makes any cycle at the gym while traveling more interesting.

[@salvatasque1392]

How do you deal with the fact that ftp is lower in indoor trainers vs outdoor when adjusting your plans? In my case kickr power levels vs outdoor cycling tend to be -30w...

[@inamullahkhan4088]

Please re review Series 3 please

[@joxerlee1]

Any updates regarding the Apple TV app?

[@Univision_]

I'm trialling it at the moment. Enjoying the indoor rides. I have a garmin 935 watch that I use for running. I've gone for the duathlon plan, as you've covered it looks like I need to manually complete runs which is a bit meh as I'd like this to auto complete in the wahoo systm app. Does anyone know if this feature has come out yet?

[@brettfliesser]

Hey Des, any chance you have a review of the Wahoo Tickr X? I'm looking to get a new chest based HRM and I'm debating on the tickr X or garmin HRM pro. I run and cycle. Cycle more now then running, but will get back to running soon. Thoughts?

[@DesFit]

I'd lean towards the HRM Pro, Brett. Thanks!

[@YaskerBro]

How to share workouts with other apps? Strava, Garmin Connect etc

[@notmyrealname6272]

Do y7 have to pay for sufferfest on top of paying for systm? Can you choose your own workouts from their list rather than following a plan they’ve made for you? How does the list of cycle workouts compare to that of say, TrainerRoad?

[@DesFit]

SUF is now part of SYSTM. Just one price for everything. You can definitely choose whatever you want to do. The plans are just if you want to train for something specifically. I haven’t compared the exact list of workouts between the two but TR does have a ton of workouts, but maybe not the variety of style of rides that you find on SYSTM (a week with, prorides, scenic rides, etc..)

[@notmyrealname6272]

@@DesFit thanks that’s really helpful! Does it work with a Garmin head unit indoors ok for reading power etc and. ATA x smart trainer do you think? Now worried my iPad isn’t new enough as Wahoo app said it needed 14.1 for latest version which older iPads won’t update to. Sorry for all the questions. It’s a big change over from five years of TrainerRoad but they’re getting a little ‘dry’. Thanks!

[@williamtaylor5899]

Can I use the wahoo system with my Garmin ecosystem? If not, is there something out there with AI for running and biking that’s Garmin friendly ?

[@squigola]

Anyone else having trouble with Level Mode which is required for Full Frontal test? Cannot get power and cadence aligned consistently like in ERG mode. Wahoo help docs and support hasn't solved issue.

[@KeithFlint350]

I want a simple training builder for smart trainer and a chart during my ride. Nothing more. But turns out I ask for too little. Manufacturer says that I need a calendar, schedules, alarms, training libraries, million different predefined plans, 3 coaches, subscription, social media sharing and all other redundant things, while the builder is still not available. I'm about to learn Python to do it for myself

[@sandylegge3251]

No outdoor rides integration, even with the elemnt app? How about charging less until you have all the features

[@DesFit]

It's the same price as Sufferfest was before but now with more content and a better app.

[@sandylegge3251]

@@DesFit didn’t realise that, so will the price increase then as features are added. Personally it’s be nice to just have a subscription for the sufferfest vids.

[@lastpme]

So if you have a yearlong Sufferfest subscription…do you have to pay for another subscription 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@DesFit]

You should only have to have one subscription - if you already have an existing subscription it should just carry over.

[@joemurphy4489]

This could just be it. Wahoo may have just nailed indoor training, using just one eco system covering it all, different sports, analysis etc. Just cancelled Zwift, even after 4 years I found it meh. Bought all the Sufferfest videos back in the day. Trainerroad is boring. I think I will like SYSTM a lot. Thanks

[@DesFit]

It's a nice blend between some of the other offerings out there. I doubt they will go down the Zwift route but there seems to be a good selection of content on here. Thanks!

[@VampireRhino]

2 years later and still no structure workouts for running 🎉

[@frankdelarosa9527]

Kudos to Wahoo. Garmin doesn't have anything like this, like nothing.

[@7331warrior]

Yeah they need to step up their game for performance programming.

[@DesFit]

I think this is a good first step for Wahoo by laying this groundwork. Hopefully they can add a lot of the training feedback like we see in the Garmin ecosystm (er, I mean ecosystem) like recovery time, etc... but this is a step in the right direction.

[@slapfan1]

The fact that this system includes yoga and other types of workouts may pull me away from Trainer Road. The video workouts are starting to give the feel that TR is out of date.

[@raynerussell7998]

TR has been out of date for a while

[@obikedog]

Bait and switch. They won't let you ride the 4dp test without first paying for a subscription. So no, not FREE 14 day trial. So that helps me narrow it down. Hello Zwift!

[@ozmadman]

Good overview but please slow down a bit, had to keep stopping and going back as you rushed through this too quickly in speaking and explaining thanks

[@DesFit]

You can use the .75 playback speed option on the KZbin player settings to slow things down to your speed

[@drsus0]

Breath…

[@DesFit]

Too tired from the FTP test. Had to say everything as quickly as possible before I passed out.

[@ketle369]

And one more little thing. Please no politics. We all support your right to be whatever you are, but we don’t really like getting the corporate “we support …” in a training app. It’s for training, not corporate virtue signaling. Keep it for yourself. So tired of corporate piggy backing causes to sell more stuff.

[@ronish2807]

could not understand anything. not all of us are english mother tongue and 25 years old

[@DesFit]

You can always try the .75 playback speed option in the KZbin player settings.