The North Atlantic's Mystery Spot

[@jimbo92107]

Every disaster movie starts with a scientist's warnings being ignored.

[@aftersexhighfives]

i shouldn't laugh

[@martinezbros1849]

The next sequel will be called "2020"

[@v.gedace1519]

@Jim Parker: The bad thing is that this inst a movie.

[@walther7147]

It is an old and traditional tactic of drama writing. You find it Even in greak dramas more than 2000 years old, think of Cassandra. So may be because it is close to reality.

[@tulukdek8898]

And I bet you all my money that as usual, nothing will happen. Most of climatic alarmism ends up in nothing

[@realNikoCousin]

Truly amazing that we can document our demise while being aware of it.

[@vincentanguoni8938]

Or not.. People like you have been preaching demise...since there have been people... But you don't know that!! El fin del Mundo!!!!!!!

[@robertcohen8554]

@@vincentanguoni8938 get back to me in 2050, let me know how that's working out for you.

[@desperatedave3573]

ohh god i wish you were not sadly horrifically comically right! *hugs*

[@thomasblanchard6778]

The most likely culprit is the ice melt current off the Greenland ice cap. There is a meltwater current the size of the Mississippi river descending into the sea on Greenland's west coast. From there it flows south, hits the Gulf stream and is deflected into a gyre. There is a possibility that the West Greenland Current will soon be strong enough to cut off the Gulf Stream and cause major cooling in Europe then shutting itself down as the cooling reaches all the way around to Greenland.

[@kittonsmitton]

Well Said.

[@61PietPiraat]

@mind fornication We're not all libs - loads of us are socialists which means we accept that not everybody can do everything and sometimes it's good to create possibilities for those who although they really should get a decent wage we don't credit that to them - we give the larger wage to the person who does very little but knows enough guys in power - but all those people who work their whole lives as hard as they can for a pittance = they need to take part in our wonderful society. When you just look after yourself (as is the American Dream) those poorer guys are like an anchor holding you back. Invite them to the party and we can all enjoy the life we have.

[@wormwood6424]

@@61PietPiraat but most don't want to join the party.

[@LK-pc4sq]

total outflow of ice water that descends to the bottom of the North Atlantic is equal to the flow of all the rivers of the world combines. The Thermal Haline Circulation is a heat pump and is what redistributes the heat more equally over the northern hemisphere.

[@Hummmminify]

@@sjb3460 Strange but true. But like was said only a small portion of the planet will see this cooling. Will the cooling be enough to offset the Global heating and create a mini ice age...I say no. Once there is a blue ocean event in the Arctic Ocean which is due any time, it will blow all our Homostupidous asses away.

[@dennisroland5654]

The colors on the map are temperature Anomalies. Note the northeastern branch of the Gulf Stream that continues all the way up to Svalbard (2:56 on the timeline). The image shown at 1:03 shows anomalous warmth around Svalbard. A slowdown of the Gulf Stream would result in much more hot water remaining at lower latitudes, as in the Caribbean and offshore the U.S. southeast coast. That appears to be happening, as reflected in the recent tornado outbreaks from Texas to the Carolinas.

[@jean-pierredevent970]

For us here in W-Europe, we could easily survive with some fresh weather but if that heat is not transported then, the now even more warming water in the Caribbean etc will most likely get low oxygen content and so bad news for fish there??

[@KenSoHappyClegg]

And now 2023, the hottest summer temps on record worldwide while measurements of the cold glob off the Greenland coast are the coldest and largest yet, obviously the polar melt is backing up, the gulf stream currents no longer flowing far enough to the north to reach it and pull it south

[@Marie-sc1fv]

Gulf stream scare me so much. I live in Québec, Canada. The climat have changed so much here.

[@billhall8625]

Gotta love all the *KZbin experts* living in their attic who think they know better than millions of global scientists 😂

[@celticcc3658]

Crazy that all these warnings don't get played on national TV or sent to everyone. The whole over consumption agenda is a nightmare

[@stijnvangennip69]

In the Netherlands in the nineties en early 2000's climate change was actually been broadcasted on television but then in the middle of the night because mainstream doesn't want to see or hear it. When the economy goes south the first investment cuts are made for enviromental purposes which is pure political. And it is the same politician that are chosen by the people go figure.

[@douglasdonaldson2510]

Looks ominous. I'm 33 seconds in and I'm going to propose the idea that this cooling is being caused by the flow of cold melt water who's origin is Greenland. Let's proceed.

[@dannyboywhaa3146]

And you know what happens then? Not long after that anyway? The Gulf streams stops due to the ice cold fresh water which remains at the surface and this ushers in an ice age! The planet warms and warms and warms and then reaches the tipping point and it resets! Who knows when but it’s coming...

[@totherarf]

Agreed! If the meltwater is coming from Greenland where is the ice originating? It is all about the energy balance!

[@mmcc1391]

That's what I was thinking too

[@christinearmington]

Uncertainties have broken against us. Faster than expected. Reminds me of a hockey stick I heard about once or twice.

[@QT5656]

You mean the hockey stick that has been independently validated multiple times by multiple different research groups based in different countries and using different datasets?

[@ebsell]

It just happens to be smack in the middle of iceberg ally

[@dax9431]

..... and JUST where they said in the movie AND the book the problem would start.

[@joeminella5315]

The graphics are great, very helpful. Thanks.

[@sergio-zh7gd]

Sad,it just shows manipulated data, so let the global warming show continue!

[@informationwarfare8744]

This is the same Michael Mann that gave us the fake hockey stick temperature graph. Why hasn't the science community run this guy out of town?

[@rpbajb]

They don't want those fat envelopes of cash to stop coming in. These people are corrupt.

[@andyclark1337]

Yes he is. Con Mann, fraudster

[@markthogerson4900]

His only mistake was that he only went back 1000 years instead of 10,000. The data he had available at the time could easily have been interpreted the way he did. Within a year or two of his "hockey stick" paper, new data became available that moderated, but still did not totally refute his interpretation. The reason the "hockey stick" gained so much traction at the time, was that it was used in the IPCC reports on the most recent info that happened to be coming out that year (they are compiled and published every 5-7 years). Science is a progression. As we learn more, interpretations change. Newton' understanding of mechanics was incomplete too, but that was because, in his time, no one went faster than a galloping horse.

[@ttmallard]

The oceanic currents are a heat-teansfer from saline bottom deepwater currents that originate to mix from Antarctic in this area against flow from western Greenland & the coast of Canada. Freshwater stays on top of saltier water that's warmer than the surface, it freezes at above 0C/2F, seawater -2C/28.4F, this saline brinicle current from freezeup in Antarctica is slowing from surface freshening by more snow, even rain.

[@beckyboop3517]

And a few days ago part of the Greenland ice has broken, and some has huge cracks in it seen from space.

[@susananderson5029]

Fantastic animations of currents and a lot of information in the later part: had to slow it down and pause for some of the statistics. I would have to go over and over this to internalize the information, but I'm getting there. Thanks!

[@TheMrSirCharles]

www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2019/08/video-the-north-atlantic-ocean-current-may-be-slowing/

[@karenharclerode840]

All your hard work and not a word about the sun and the grand solar minimum. So sad.

[@4saken404]

lol That's because they have such a small impact compared to other factors. climate.nasa.gov/blog/2910/what-is-the-suns-role-in-climate-change

[@wakkawagga443]

A climate change sceptic called karen? Some things you cannot make up...

[@itaintrocketscience]

Wakka Wagga The earth is, in fact, warming. I think the question is how? For what reason? Everyone loves to jump on human made ( it might be true, probably is) but the blatant ignoring of natural factors has always completely blown my mind. This is no longer science, this is a religion. The sun has a little bit to say about our temperature on earth. Our orbital position in relation to the sun also has a say. We have an absolutely paltry amount of global temperature data compared to the age of the earth. ( could these swings normal?) we didn’t cause the ice ages We are not entirely responsible for global temperature changes. This used to be basic science

[@4saken404]

@@itaintrocketscience "the blatant ignoring of natural factors has always completely blown my mind". Are you actually so ignorant as to think that scientists would not have already looked into all these in great detail? (And scientists across numeerous different disciplines, as well.)

[@itaintrocketscience]

4saken404 I’m aware that some scientists have looked at some of the data. But I’m also aware of the incredible bias in the community ( due to political issues or funding) We all agree the earth is warming ( as it has in the past) My gripe has always been about the DEGREE in which humans are influencing the temperature, not IF. That doesn’t seem to be good enough. We all have to agree that we humans are terrible ( we are) and must stop all fuel use or we’ll die in a year. I could take the advice more seriously if it wasn’t filled with hyped up doom ( just like corona virus) Now excuse me, while I go burn a few hundred tires and the planet laughs at my futile attempt to make it hurt.

[@v.e.7236]

Just to be clear: the Earth will not die, we will.

[@penneyburgess5431]

I think of it like this. There’s a difference between keeping a glass of ice water in the fridge and on the window sill in the sun. The hotter it is the faster the ice melts.

[@kkenny1210]

The raising of salinity in our oceans responds by the ability of the distribution of energy being weakened as salt inhibits electrical flow. The fresh water might unbalance things momuntarily but will only serve to revive the whole system when blended in possibly the fresh water release is the only thing keeping energy in the oceans.

[@jvs333]

Maybe it’s due to melting ice caps sending melted ice water to that concentrated area based on ocean currents??

[@thejessejoint]

If you look at a topographical map of Greenland that area that is cold is directly in line with the river deltas that dump melt water into that area of the north atlantic around greenladn

[@aftersexhighfives]

@@thejessejoint so... basically yea, it's glacier melt

[@getchasome6230]

"Glacial melt" and ice caps melting are two different things. Smh. What a tool

[@getchasome6230]

@@jvs333 I was talking to the guy who said yeah it's a glacial melt.

[@jvs333]

@@getchasome6230 oh ok I’m sorry I didn’t look up the other comments . Sorry Ryan

[@stephenrafter1980]

Is it trapped water due to opposite water currents on each side. Trapping cold water that can't move.

[@bigjd2k]

The amount of energy being absorbed by the latent heat of melting the ice is crazy. Once it’s all gone the temperature will skyrocket. We need to reduce emissions now or else.

[@andywomack3414]

I'm 72 and might live to see it happen.

[@grindupBaker]

@bigjd2k "The amount of energy being absorbed by the latent heat of melting the ice is crazy". No. It isn't crazy. Quantities aren't crazy. Humans are crazy, most of them by far, but not Quantities. "Once it’s all gone the temperature will skyrocket". No. The regional temperature increases smoothly as the ice cover diminishes on each date March-October. It's all known from CERES analysis, it's on my computer. It's very straightforward but there's no audience in GoogleTubes comments, only idiots with the science education of a 9 year old British Primary School child & the brain of a hamster, so I don't bother.

[@TapiaJ]

Burning coal will never stop. Now electric are being charged off coal burning plants. All these ideas don't help. They just add to the emissions in the air. A electric car puts out more emissions than a gasoline car.

[@ttystikkrocks1042]

The slowing of the gulf stream and North Atlantic current has been documented for years. My concern with this video is that it does not relate this slowing with anything else, such as the rapid warming of the Caribbean, melting of the Arctic Ocean, the fact that global warming is much more pronounced near the poles, etc.

[@Bluelightning23]

Scientists studying the Earth's climate is like somebody studying your life for a fraction of a second. There isn't enough studied history by scientists for any of them to know what's really going on.

[@QT5656]

​@@Bluelightning23 You are very uninformed.

[@2coryman]

Place in the equation the great factor of solar sickles, the fresh water is collecting in one place

[@thejackalsmith7329]

What are they saying now, that the polar ice caps are adding ice from 2019-2020?

[@adamasagitprop]

It sounds logical. More cold water (less evaporation, more atmospherical stability) in that area means higher air pressure (a larger Azores high), which we have seen in the last decades.

[@Max_Snellink]

That's where we keep our spare British Weather. Nothing to worry about.

[@grindupBaker]

I think I noticed a bunch of rain for you blokes being held in containers up above that Blob ready for when you get your first Spring Holiday Long Weekend.

[@QT5656]

If the AMOC stops you will have a lot more to worry about.

[@bradcissone505]

Very complex if you think you have it figured out you are certified crazy

[@MarkMisterMr.Hamaguchi]

It’s from the decreased co2 level because the sargasso sea’s large algae bloom. Algae consumes way more carbon from atmosphere than rainforests do.

[@stijnvangennip69]

Arctic algae are vegetable algae that supply by means of photosythesis oxygen, this is a cooling gas. However, there are also tropical algae, these are bacteria and they produce the greenhouse gas CO2. Climate change will disrupt a natural ecological balance.

[@MarkMisterMr.Hamaguchi]

I suggest we dump our raw sewage into our oceans, triggering massive algae blooms to recover carbon from our atmosphere.

[@QT5656]

What year are you claiming there was a drop in CO2 due to algae?

[@janetbyrd1065]

The Gulf Stream shifted to the south in 2010. It now goes towards Portugal and North Africa...Welcome to Global Cooling!

[@conburd3338]

Not global, just European.

[@bryceoconnor9640]

If it gets warmer, then would it not be saltier to compensate for more freshwater?

[@lailasegermannayal4716]

WHOOPS. It's terrible to think about, if The GOLF STREAM IS going to cool down, we will have a NEW ICE TIME.

[@penguinuprighter6231]

And ICE TIME is important to any hockey career.

[@hyperqbit7246]

Texas this week(Feb. 16, 2021). Oof

[@Cylon39]

We need to seriously think about de-funding Yale.

[@brmadden895]

How? It's a private university.

[@Cylon39]

@@brmadden895 A private university that has an office of Research, whose primary purpose is to support faculty and students in grant-seeking ... You know, Federal Grants generated by Tax money.

[@gashacker1]

This sort of important information is exactly why we fund universities like Yale!

[@Cylon39]

@@gashacker1 Michael Mann is damaged goods. Anything he is involved with, anything he produces is suddenly suspect. He has a reputation of manipulating Science to say what he wants it to say, and that reputation was earned. That type of science is not science, and does not need to be funded. It has to be punished. What he did to science in the eyes of the common man was a travesty.

[@natureboy6410]

@@Cylon39 As it should be as well for most, if not all of the few hundred climate scientists, that are funded by the government/un. When there is literally tens of thousands of independent scientists that have signed petitions that these funded scientists research have strongly been influenced by the hand that feeds them. That's a really hard fact to ignore. Yet, you'll never hear the msm talk on this fact. Same hand??? Wouldn't doubt it!

[@Astrostevo]

What about the possible impact of meltwater from Greenland accumulating there and cooling that area? Suggestion - has this been looked into / ruled out? (Ahh, thanks - should've watched whole thing first eh?)

[@aftersexhighfives]

but why was it ruled out when it makes sense

[@johnk4437]

Thank you for the update... l'll spread this update.

[@CherishedChristianLife]

Could the eq swarming in North Atlantic be related to this, is right the in the blue spot, underwater volcanic eruption? maybe the Earth trying to balance the system?

[@virtualmarc2383]

Is it true that Dr. Ball said "should be at State Pen not Penn State" and the judge agreed?

[@paulhermann396]

No, that‘s absolutely NOT true. There has been no court case and therefore there has been no verdict. By the way, it was a libel suit by Prof. Mann against T. Ball. It was not about Prof. Mann's scientific work. This is all well documented and the reasoning of the court for the termination of the case is publicly available. T. Ball´s presentation of the case is nothing more than a distortion of the facts. That the hockey stick curve is still under attack after more than 20 years is a joke. The results have since been confirmed and expanded by many research groups worldwide. Mean global temperature has continued to rise since the first publication in 1998, and the curve today shows even more impressively how unprecedented the recent warming is.

[@virtualmarc2383]

@@paulhermann396 nonsense. The model is a complete fabrication, that's why he won't disclose it. What kind of science is that? The temperature is the same today as its has been for a century. temperature.global/

[@jeffgold3091]

@@paulhermann396 the case was dismissed because Mann who brought the suit would not produce the data to disprove balls accusations . Mann was declared responsible for paying all court costs .typically for Mann , he declared victory

[@neoretrodude]

In addition to all that normal air temperature rise as a result of human activity, imagine the impact of the gulf stream in melting all the ice sheets that are falling into the sea water. This conveyerbelt will forever change which history has shown to be true. However, think about the implication of these convyer belts stopping all together.

[@shawnedward7606]

Sea levels have risen no where. Volcanic activity however, has raised the sea floor in NUMEROUS regions across the world....

[@richg968]

Very interesting... 🤔

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

And the basis of this claim?

[@QT5656]

Tidal gauges disagree with you.

[@j.douglassizemore792]

Mann is the Al Sharpton of climate science

[@thedoorwall]

We could let the water through the isthmus of Panama at the thinnest part which is like 50 km to 150 km I think or we could pump it through

[@TheBlackxice]

It’s no mystery, there’s a lot of fresh water in London that region

[@grindupBaker]

Stefan shouldn't have done that at 2:00 because he knows perfectly well that ~84% of the warm water heading northeast is due to the wind-driven North Atlantic Ocean clockwise gyre and only ~16% is due to the density-driven AMOC. He should be more careful and always explain these things when he talks. Also, there's a prevailing warm southwest wind in that region partially separate from warm water.

[@thehorsesmouth5439]

This is going to be the new north pole after the pole shift, the south pole will be located in Siberia.

[@penguinuprighter6231]

Oh shut up with that SO crap.

[@MattAngiono]

Funny how he says "faster than we predicted" but he really means faster than he and his peers are willing to talk about. Some scientists actually did predict these things happening this fast and have tried to raise alarm bells many times. This reliance on faulty models is not enough to make the necessary change... observe people! Every prediction is mysteriously never good enough, and the dates just get moved back. We are already done....

[@a.randomjack6661]

Unlike us, scientists only talk about what they know from facts. As they often say, we are in the middle of an experiment, we have nothing else to compare this to except imperfect models. Why are they imperfect? Lack of computing power to resolve small scale mechanism, mostly but not only clouds. We are a bit like that provervial frog in that warming pot of warming water. How hot and how fast is it warming? Except the Earth's climate system is orders of magnitudes more complex.

[@MattAngiono]

@@a.randomjack6661 that's not what i mean. They straight deny what's their own evidence suggests, under the guise that they are just reporting "facts" How often do you see reconciliation with current events and the physical data? If you haven't seen the work of Guy McPherson, i warn you it's depressing, but it's pretty robust scientific literature based analysis of what i mean here. Or look up the recent paper on scientific reticence.... i can't remember his name but he's a well known physicist

[@MattAngiono]

@@a.randomjack6661 as to why the models are imperfect... feedback loops that are unaccounted for, but HAVE been predicted and suggested for decades... That's most definitely scientific reticence!

[@MattAngiono]

@@a.randomjack6661 he's a life long ecosystem biologist, and his evidence is all based on scientific literature. Who are you to put it down without evidence? Who's denying? McPherson is clear that action is still important, but the truth should be known... of course you put it down because hope has gotten ahold of you. Sometimes acceptance is better suited to the situation, as in hospice, which is where we're at. You want to argue with the insect population that has declined by over two thirds? Have you any experience in complex systems collapse? Nature is resilient until it's not, at which point it CRASHES HARD

[@a.randomjack6661]

@@MattAngiono Yeah yeah... Keep going to the McPherson church and I will stick to scientists. You know he takes his science from Arctic-news? An anonymous scientists and his friend, a retired engineer of the fossil fuel industry. I've been going there for a while and lost my time. If you prefer doom, well, stick to it and hide in your basement.

[@fuzean1]

thames river has frozen before, Greenland was green land before, what's all this shenanigans forecasting extrapolating with models, study the past, it's going to get colder, inter glacial period moving towards glacial i.e. ice age

[@quantumeraser345]

All this concern over ocean currents will quickly fall by the wayside when the shockwave from the solar micronova burst arrives. You are fretting over a hangnail while the patient is about to go into cardiac arrest.

[@andrewheffel3565]

As the ice cap on Greenland melts, it cools the nearby ocean down.

[@dickenscider7328]

Hi, but it’s not, I have see data that shows Greenland’s eastern coastline is experiencing increased sea ice compared to normal years.

[@andywomack3414]

@@dickenscider7328 You just cited supporting evidence that suggests it's so. Think "fresher water, higher freezing point."

[@grindupBaker]

@Andrew Heffel No.

[@andrewheffel3565]

@@grindupBaker It sounded good!

[@indridcold8433]

It is not talked about that about 1/3 to 1/2 of Canada sees no warming trend either. I live there. We have had brutal winters here. Then the spring is a flooded, dreary, mess. It rains in summer about three times a week to four times a week. Autumn is the only pleasant time. I have had to extensively modify my vehicle to make it nearly unstoppable because of winter heavy snow, ice, and sleet and spring and summer flooding.

[@paneofrealitychannel8204]

Put that fraud Michael Mann in the thumbnail next time and save me the useless click.

[@DSAK55]

You are a Fuvking moron

[@aftersexhighfives]

explain why he's a fraud?

[@chacmool2581]

Why don't we see a similar cold spot down south in the vecinity of Antarctica? Is ice not melting there and the water spilling onto the ocean?

[@renelaizer6518]

The colors they are using are misleading... If it is so red over the north pole you would think it is on fire....

[@crisbrackett2067]

48 volcanoes will help bring a mini ice age at the very least.

[@bonysminiatures3123]

yup

[@andywomack3414]

One big one could do the trick, especially with a warmer, wetter atmosphere. Imagine the possibilities as all that water gets dumped out as the atmosphere cools.

[@grindupBaker]

Absolutely. And 48,000,000 volcanoes will help bring a mini ice age even more but also make for some really really spiffing Internet videos. I can't wait.

[@sinebar]

So that blue cold spot is probably going to grow larger and larger?

[@lelandraymaley3]

Please allow me to introduce myself, I’m a scientist of global climate patterns . I been around for many long years I seen volcanoes tsunamis earthquakes. Please to meet you hope you guess my name

[@grindupBaker]

Pleased to meet you. Could you lend me 25 quid until my Divvy from the Co-op arrives next Thursday ? Thanks friend.

[@jamesdolph437]

so what is the optimal global temperature

[@ljs5757]

That's simple there is no such thing we've been having ice ages and many ice ages and blistering heat off and on there are no less than a dozen natural cyclical phenomenon solar minimum solar maximum tilt of the Earth the moons variations in its orbit the earth variation in its orbit and all the other planets

[@penguinuprighter6231]

One that doesn't change in a geological blink of the eye.

[@bradcissone505]

Notice he said stubborn spot as if it didn’t want to comply with his agenda

[@davidschwartz8125]

Notice he said stubborn as if it is just resisting change.

[@andywomack3414]

It's possible that the importance of the Gulf Stream in moderating the climate of Northwestern Europe has been over-stated. The west coast of North America has a cold ocean current affecting their weather and they also have an ocean moderated climate, as in not as cold as latitude would indicate.

[@grindupBaker]

You are probably confusing the statements of Media (now expanded into all sorts of online disinformation, which is mostly infotainment as exemplified in the background unnecessary plonking noise of this Greenman one) and the actual analysis of the actual climate scientists, which is vastly different from media (crap mostly), or if you aren't confusing them then your comment will certainly confuse the ignorant. This confusion is universal among the totally ignorant. Greenman's OK enough apart from his brain-dead plonking noises but charlatans such as "Guy McPherson", "Paul Beckwith" and oh so many others are in it strictly for their personal benefit and must use hyperbole, exaggeration and some lies to hold an audience to attract income, and of course the same for all media in print and on the Internet, which must use at least clickbait headlines and even hyperbolic, misleading disinformation content to maintain or increase their profits. This is obvious & inevitable. Meanwhile scientist results summary is October 2018 IPCC SR 1.5 and whatever scientists have produced since, and that's it. If you aren't one of the ignorant yourself then you're doing a disservice by confusing the ignorant into thinking that you think the actual climate scientists are hyperbolic rather than the charlatans and the worthless profit-motivated, excitement-based formal and informal media in general.

[@andywomack3414]

@@grindupBaker I don't understand your criticism. I led my comment with that most scientific and objective terms, "It's possible." I did not just make up the idea that the effect of the Gulf Stream might be over-rated. Unfortunately I am not in the habit of cataloguing the source of every bit of information I've read, but it's in a reputable scientific publication, such as "Scientific American" or "Nature." It's possible that alarm is the appropriate reaction to the data accumulating about what's happening in the Arctic.. I am confused as to the problem you have with what I posted.

[@grindupBaker]

@@andywomack3414 OK I retract it.

[@penguinuprighter6231]

@@andywomack3414 There is no similar current on the west coast.

[@itspeekaboo]

Thank you.

[@bclev1953]

Really now, if you look at the science, what's the mystery?

[@DawnWright-k5c]

Well it's actually nothing to make a movie about only educational content!

[@Desertphile]

Interesting. Thank you. As for the two "dislikes" so far---- WTF?

[@GoingSouth]

They're from people who disliked the video.

[@RobertSzasz]

They are from the "Durrr.... Look out the window. It's snowing" types.

[@GoingSouth]

@@RobertSzasz It's not snowing, there just isn't a huge cold spot south of Greenland which the video claims. Yale has been caught in making climate denier propaganda videos before. This is not the first time they choose to do this.

[@RobertSzasz]

@@GoingSouth www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201907 go through the data again, look at multiple months, multiple years, and you will see a big cold blob

[@greenmanbucket]

@@GoingSouth check NASA most recent global analysis www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20190206/

[@svjohngalt]

The video shows a cooling area, but then offers the concept that this cooling area has lower salinity, without any proof. It would be better if someone would show the salinity records for this section of ocean for the past 50 years. The US Navy measures the temperature and salinity of the ocean to depths of over 1000ft daily since the 1960s all over the world with calibrated scientific instruments and trained personnel with no bias. This is the definitive record. I also doubt such images. I am a sailor and have been crossing the gulf stream for the past 30 years and so far, there have been no measurable changes in currents or temperatures. It may indeed be occurring, but the science needs to be iron clad and it is not.

[@QT5656]

Try reading the scientific literature.

[@kn7615]

...And right now, that cold blob is suddenly full of wales and dolphins...really! Scientists are trying to figure it out this year.

[@peterebanks3]

Isn't it a cold water gyre...

[@bonysminiatures3123]

Thailand is not getting warmer almost fixed temperatures over the last decade

[@grindupBaker]

30 years is the minimum time scale for climate assessments. Earth is a planet.

[@Bluffmaster179]

Ok i will keep my beer there 😎

[@Bluelightning23]

Tell us Mr. Scientist who was measuring that blue spot a 1000 years ago?

[@markyoung9497]

This doc/video does not explain the North Atlantic Cold Blob very well at all. In 1970s researchers were monitoring the North Atlantic Gyres (massive whirlpools that suck sea water to the ocean floor) In the &0s at least 27 were observed. By 1980 only 9 could be found (a reduction of 66%). Funding was cut and monitoring ended right there. These Gyres control the amount of sea water subducted to the ocean floor. The reason these Gyres disappeared so fast is for two main reasons. 1 A little nudge by more fresh water and ice melt flowing into the North Atlantic that cools and desalinates the surface water. 2 This then cools the Gulf Stream Current, which when cooled has little reason to dive to the ocean floor. This eliminates the need for Gyres which disappear. And it goes on in those cycles. As of today there is only 1 Gyre left so the cool water is building up with nowhere to go. This Gyre is a large central Gyre of the North Atlantic situated at the centre of the North Atlantic circulating current. This Gyre is almost certainly being kept spinning by this current.

[@declanbee4595]

How dose that work ? On a flat Plain ?????

[@physchir]

Such a delicately balanced system... could make one ponder the chances anything surviving over the eons... yet it has.

[@gmeadows62]

Actually, we may be just coming out of an ice age. Some scientist say this is probably the first time in Earth's history where both poles are covered in ice. All the other Ice ages were centered from north. This last one had both poles iced. Soooo, stop blaming humans for the warming up. The Earth has done this so many times. We just happen to be here for this one.

[@jamescollins1272]

Exactly..... And just as the NASA Climatologist has stated, the so-called global warming ‘models’ are not (conveniently) taking into account 5000 to 100,000 years of climate changes, and the resultant temperature cycles, since precise records of temperatures and other important weather records do not exist to build into the models. And apparently you can not use tree rings or ice cores or other forms of unsupported data to see temperature trends over thousands of years. And so these issues of ice ages and their severity and length of occurrence has possibly more to do with the natural cycles of earth and has nothing to do with interventions of man and civilization.

[@yaryar1976]

True. Many people avoid any trends before recorded history. Core samples and archaeological digs prove we started a warming pattern about 11,000 years ago. It’s a cycle,the same cycle that created the Grand Canyon.

[@Richardj410]

Thanks

[@q09876543]

So let's say that the north does become cooler. With the decrease in temperature, the wintery conditions will come sooner. This will cause the glaciers to increase this reclamation of the freshwater, lost previously. The problem is, how much new ice will it take to balance out the global temperatures. Are we looking at a mini ice age?

[@penguinuprighter6231]

No

[@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302]

Please put dates on your video name, as I hate watching repeats when I'm searching for new material, It puts me off my research if I'm constantly going back to old material. Thank you for your effort. Michael

[@TheMrSirCharles]

Too lazy to read? "Published on 15 Aug 2019" Do you really need to get spoon fed?

[@matju2]

​@@TheMrSirCharles BTW, youtube often hides the date depending on the size of the window, the presence of a sidebar on the browser, and whether viewing the page using a non-English language in which words are longer. Their designers think that it's better to hide the date than to put it on a separate row...

[@dtunzzlistener]

Hmm, so a flow of cold into the cold conveyor that drives into thermal processes well established because of that, and you don't think an equal reaction of warm flow while getting warmer will result, you think that stops it? Ok it's opposite world for some.

[@markthogerson4900]

It has more to do with the salinity than the heat. 35-40 F fresh water is less dense than 60-65 F seawater, so it floats on top. The two types of water resist mixing. Sea ice formation is what drives the deep-water thermohaline current, and if the seawater can't lose heat to form ice, the current stops. This happened about 11K ears ago when an ice dam failed, allowing Lake Agassiz to flow into the North Atlantic (3-5x the volume of all the Great Lakes combined), stopping the thermohaline current in the Atlantic, and plunging northern Europe and northern North America back into an ice age for 10,000 years. No, no one was there to record the event, but we have the lake shores in Ontario, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan, and we have ocean sediment cores and dropstones from ice sheets to prove it.

[@dtunzzlistener]

@@markthogerson4900 Thank you, I'd skipped the salinity portions, and not sure there are any giant freshwater lakes iced up to alter things enough. Yet it is so interesting to learn that is how a shock could happen,,, then.. Sea Water formed into Ice? Ok I know snow comes from the big distillery in the sky, but is that what happens, rain/snow into ice sheets for cooling? Professor at Washington U did several classes posted online of some floods even millions of years ago, and how they left valuable deposits of minerals in the northwest. Amazingly all from huge Ice Dams like the later you mentioned. So huge they shaped states sized areas each time. Luck would have it, we are not looking at mile high walls of ice, and if we were, we'd love it probably.

[@Marcello1b]

BUT, if it "slow down", the heat doesn't go either that fast around the Greenland...so, it "let the time to the 'Inner River' to slow also and "reset" slowly to a "re-freezing mode"... Hear, many scientists talk on ONE natural process. !! Again, "What happen if and AFTER the 'Inner-River' slow down...?"

[@inyourgenes]

We are all so screwed and into the darkness we merrily march without any action to stop our self-destruction

[@FeetznPawz]

Not bad. Better without the reference to "Global warming".

[@andywomack3414]

Better how? How is denying reality better?

[@fellsmoke]

How about the gulf stream stops at the same time the polar vortex ends...and general mixing of global temperatures occur...so polar regions stay warmer... period

[@onewordhereonewordthere6975]

Icdi blue spot on a spinning ball damn no wonder we don't have a chance

[@craigkdillon]

CO2 levels are now 415ppm -- higher than they were during the Pliocene, 3.5mya, when oceans were 70 feet deeper.

[@stefankosikowski5458]

CO2 levels were 4000 PPM and we had a major Ice Age during the Ordovician Period. CO2 is not what causes the heating and cooling of the Earth, those changes in temperature drive the CO2 levels as it absorbs into the oceans when cool and expels into the air when warm. The amount we add through burning fossils fuels is estimated to be from less than 1% to a high of 5%, either way, we are not causing climate change, at worse we are slightly accelerating a natural process with that OPINION only being a maybe. Learn real science, the politics has corrupted your belief system!

[@stefankosikowski5458]

principia-scientific.org/atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-lags-temperature-the-proof/

[@stefankosikowski5458]

Here is some good data to ponder from a climatologist reporting on NOAA satellite data revealing March and April of 2020 was the second largest 2 month drop in global temperatures ever recorded. Interesting...

[@stefankosikowski5458]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2m5fomni8x2Y9E

[@stefankosikowski5458]

BTW... I speculate that the Earth is cooling because of all the volcanoes that have been erupting the past two years. Sulfur Di-Oxide in the upper atmosphere acts like tiny mirrors reflecting the Sun's energy away. There has to be a mechanism for how the Earth keeps plunging into the Ice Ages, perhaps it is volcanic and driven by the massive spike in cosmic rays hitting the surface of the Earth and penetrating heating the magma? Review the spike in cosmic rays that are also at an all time high ever recorded.

[@craigkdillon]

We must separate short term considerations with longer term trends. Earth works on very long time lines..hundreds and thousands of years. 1) the dilution of the North Atlantic by Greenland melting will only occur for as long as there is ice on Greenland. In a few hundred years, that ice will be gone (if we keep adding CO2 by 3 to 5 ppm per year.) 2) Global warming is accelerating, and the acceleration will itself accelerate. The forces we are unleashing are powerful and long lasting. Even if we stopped now, the oceans would rise at least 70 feet ---- for the oceans were 70 feet deeper during the Pliocene 3.5mya when CO2 was only 390ppm - lower than what is today (415 ppm)

[@thedarkflowkiller]

So...apart from melting ice sheets into north atlantic, why is this spot so cold again ?

[@miles2378]

Heat is not being transported from the south.

[@ranterredhead5005]

Someone left the fridge open. Probably repilians ..lol

[@kimshepherd9691]

So many people have been to optimistic about climate change. As a result, actions that should have taken place, aren’t. A catastrophe.

[@aussiesam01]

The real catastrophe is that too many people uncritically believe the bullshit that comes out of Michael Mann's mouth. He's a fraud and has run away from defending his claims in court. Arctic ice formation is just fine and is within normal range. In Viking times Greenland was being FARMED by the Vikings, there are tree trunks and buildings UNDER the ice, showing that centuries ago Greenland was much warmer than it is today. You won't know about that from M. Mann.

[@QT5656]

​@@aussiesam01 OP was correct. Your comment will continue to age like warm milk.

[@aussiesam01]

@@QT5656 Bloody hilarious! Why don't you stop listening to the hysteria and start following the facts, now more than ever. Look up Prof William Happer, Climate Discussion Nexus, Prof Willie Soon, The Heartland Institute and many, many more, who post the FACTS for all to see. The hysterical side will not debate, will not make their models public and have a long record of missing their catastrophic predictions by miles. The CO2 driven climate catastrophe is not physically possible, CO2 cannot do it. Look it up.

[@aussiesam01]

And before you start name calling them, discuss the facts or shut the heck up.

[@QT5656]

@@aussiesam01 The facts are that you are deeply misinformed and are spreading disinformation.

[@cerverg]

well seems like Europe soon will be colder than Canada and drier than Mongolia

[@craigkdillon]

CO2 is going up 2.5ppm/year, which will likely increase to 4ppm/year in the next few decades. We will likely see CO2 at or above 600 ppm by 2100. CO2 above levels of 600ppm have not seen on Earth since the Cretaceous and the time of the Dinosaurs, when there was no ice at the poles, and oceans were 200+ feet deeper. Folks, this is serious. The longer we delay -- the more difficult it will be -- with lower chances of success in saving ourselves.

[@craigkdillon]

IMO, the ONLY time the Thermo-Haline Ocean Current will stop is when a Global Anoxic Event occurs. When the global current stops, then it stops bringing oxygen to the depths, and the global ocean becomes anoxic below about 20 ft., which are oxygenated by wave action. Now, Global Anoxic Events happened many times during the Mesozoic, and are associated with mass extinctions, and the deposition of the oil deposits on the continental shelves, which we are now extracting & burning. GAE - requirements:: A GAE happens when the Earth gets VERY warm, with a very high CO2 level -- like 800 ppm or 1000 ppm or higher. It is not known how high the CO2 levels have to be to generate a GAE. The last known time when a Global Anoxic Event is thought to have occurred is the Paleo Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) about 55mya. Now GAE's do not last long in paleo geologic time -- about 500K years or so. But, pretty long as far as we are concerned. How are we doing so far?? Well, CO2 is now at 415ppm, and going up at 2.5ppm per year, which will likely accelerate to 4 or 5 ppm per year in a decade or two. We will be at 600ppm or higher by 2100, if we do nothing. By 2200, we will be well over 1000 ppm, if we do nothing. If that happens, IMO, a GAE is likely to happen. Then we are toast. Done. Kaput. Sayonara, Kiss the children. The play is done, ring down the curtain.

[@stefankosikowski5458]

There is nothing you can do. If we stop all burning of fossil fuels, the Earth still warms and the CO2 levels still rise because there is far more CO2 dissolved in the oceans than man could ever burn out of fossil fuels. It releases into the air as it warms, just like when a carbonated soda warms, the gas escapes and it becomes flat. After all, where did all the carbon come from to create that life that died long ago and became the fossil fuels today? We did not cause this event, as you reported it happened before and everything in climate is cyclical. We have far more effect on climate clear cutting forests and over developing the countryside. But no one talks about that because the rich are doing these things and do not want to be taxed or hindered. So they tax you over carbon, not the companies that produce the fuel, what a fucking oppression. So easy to take advantage of the ignorant. SMHRead more

[@tomkarlsborn2384]

I think some more CO2 will be beneficial. Plants love it!!

[@thehark6247]

laughable. Cool water is the driving force, the engine, more melting , more circulation. More cooling. We are gettin colder.

[@lleo418]

Idiot

[@bryson3101]

That cold spot is merely a sign of what is going to happen....it's the new north pole location, it will continue to cool until it forms an ICE continent just like what is on our poles now. Then the ocean will adjust it's water delivery system to accommodate the change. Even though the current north pole will melt, it will be offset by this area freezing over. The Adjustment in weather will happen all over the northern hemisphere and humans will adjust to it.

[@karlthemel2678]

Hopefully, the cold spot will grow, develop winter ice, and spread to Europe to generate new reflective ice and snow despite increasing CO2-levels.

[@fredwood8158]

I would suspect that the cold spot reflects an area of deep water up- welling due to ocean bottom geography, possibly part of the mid-ocean ridge in that area, deflecting a very strong current, driven by the Gulf Stream plunge. Just a speculation.

[@edwardhanson3664]

I am super impressed they showed the sea floor on their globes with the ocean currents.

[@WedgeLife]

From 10,000 years ago the climate was warmer than it is right now. There were 2 times between then and now where the temperature dropped to what we are at currently.. the 8200 year cooling and "the little ice age" at 1300. Actually the cool period we are in right now is unusual compared to the 10,000 year average temperature. Im going to say its not as big of a deal as they make it seem. The arctic creatures have all survived warmer along with everything else thats survived the last 10k years.

[@grindupBaker]

"From 10,000 years ago the climate was warmer than it is right now". Liar.

[@WedgeLife]

@@grindupBaker the graphs are all over.. do some research

[@grindupBaker]

@@WedgeLife "From 10,000 years ago the climate was warmer than it is right now". Liar.

[@WedgeLife]

@@grindupBaker wow how original. Repeating it doesn't make you right

[@grindupBaker]

@@WedgeLife "From 10,000 years ago the climate was warmer than it is right now". Liar.

[@costafortia]

Basically, you’re saying you want the planet to remain the same, when the fact is this planet has and will always be changing. Let’s look at the science. Scientists have agreed that the continents have shifted constantly since the beginning of time. You just want to make the planet stay the same, well you can’t have that humans. Adapt or become extinct like the Dodo

[@headfirst6227]

So I guess this means I’m not going to fry.. No problem. I’ll just throw another log on.

[@kerrytroupe9129]

This cold spot is caused hole in ocean floor there is a body of water deep in the earth four times the size of all the water on the surface of the Earth the sea level will rise

[@bryceoconnor9640]

good news is we will have plenty of drinking water ?

[@christopherfritz3840]

Texas February 2021🌨🌬😳

[@grindupBaker]

Yeah ! Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 ! Stanley Cup or bust !

[@davidhodge3894]

No person can predict what the planet is going to do.

[@penguinuprighter6231]

No but a lot of qualified experts can make some very accurate predictions.

[@QT5656]

In the 1890s, 1930s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s etc. Climate scientists predicted global temperatures would increase with the rising CO2 and they have been proven correct.

[@QT5656]

Climate scientists also correctly predicted that nights would warm faster than days, winters would warm faster than summers, permafrost would thaw, glaciers would retreat, sea ice would melt, the gulf stream would shift northwards, the AMOC would weaken, the lower atmosphere would warm, and the upper atmosphere would cool. All predicted, all correct according to empirical observations.