The Object Show Pacing Problem | CrunchDoesStuff

[@CrunchDoesStuff]

Note: i just wanna express that i still enjoy the shows i exampled, i said in the video they have a lot of positive merit. This videos complaining about the pacing of these shows, and how they can get in the way of the actual good stuff the show has, NOT an overall critic of the actual shows themselves.

[@DrPenz]

Personally i think there should be an "episode 0" (a prologue i guess) where every character cam be introduced without it dragging out the first episode length

[@the_true_carwrecker9]

Thats why im gonna introduce the characters in their own videos before the first episode even starts

[@Zachyshows]

I split my show into ep 1a and 1b (mainly due to time issues) and ep 1a just introduces the cast and challenge

[@jesseakwaja]

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[@TenkyuuTenkyuu]

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[@the_true_carwrecker9]

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[@havenaloof]

I'm so thankful I never did this with my first episode/pilot, but rather had a topic that went around, and the audience got to see the whole small cast's opinion on it, while also getting to know them. The episode is 4 minutes long.

[@PlatinumComet]

The bloated object show casts are a microcosm of BFB; They saw success with 64 characters, others would eventually follow. BFB has its own issues, but I feel it's able to get away with its cast size a bit more since it has a much more established history, whereas any other show would have to introduce the entire cast from scratch, which makes it take so much longer than it honestly needs to.

[@Vileplume87]

Fr tho bfb had over a decade of history for it's characters

[@quagsire_lover3235]

I personally think AB handles pacing alright. It's not perfect, but i can't say its horrible. MOSS's pacing is SO BAD. It's the main reason why i dont like the show. Everything else about the show is great, but the pacing is god awful. The only object show with a big cast which actually handles pacing correctly in my opinion is BFB (which isnt surprising)

[@redstone0234]

BFB Handled it pretty well because of the 64 contstsants we already knew about 30 of them so they only introduced 34 contestants really

[@timzipooOPF]

@@redstone0234 yeah

[@bwueberryyoghurt]

i like seeing the characters interact much more than the challenges, since challenges are kinda like just there to drive the episode forward and make characters interact with each other again. thats kinda ll that fiction is about, having characters interact! if the character introduction doesn't work then the challenge wont work either, since it would just be boring characters interacting with each other but also theres a challenge going on, which is just a cheap way to create "tension"

[@Coyoboyoo]

I really like how 5SOS:BS introduces it’s characters, the first thing that happens is Grandma leaves and they have to figure out who will host next. They’re already interacting with each other from the get-go instead of introducing themselves. I like when shows allow you to get to know the cast without the need for introductions

[@DaRedPanda]

this is why my show has 3-minutes episodes and each episode 1 has the line “here are the contestants” i would prefer to show off personalities during the episode proper

[@tumpie]

just binge watched your object show, and it was very good!, a lot of good things, my only criticism is, well, what you mention in this comment. while the characters get more memorable over time, introducing characters by just going "here are the characters!" is bad because human brains can't retain alot of information all at once, that's why most object shows have a sorta 'before host introduction to the characters' because that is how you introduce characters, slowly, over time. And it also allows for you to show characters personality that can't do much in challenges, and also help you decide certain parts of characters! (e.g let's say a character likes playing guessing games, you could have them play something like hang-man or something similar in their 'before host introduction', this also sets that they can think on the spot, which can be good for challenges and such), though again, your show (object show/ OSD/ OS2) is very good, and the characters become more memorable over-time, so it's isn't that much of a problem, just a simple critic. keep going also! it's very good and i would like to see more :)

[@YT-Ibrahim]

Object show mfs when they make new variations of bfdi characters some random characters that aren't objects and other random shit only for half of them getting 1 sec of screen time and the other half being always on screen thru the whole show

[@Deltan8yt]

The first half of the video is the perfect summarization of AB's biggest problem, arguably one of its only problems, but still a glaring one.

[@derpylemon852]

Honestly you really speak to me here. Really like how you're not pulling punches and getting to the point fast. I agree to an extent, but I think there's a time and place for introductions, and having a long one but it still gets to the point and properly shows everyone's personality is better than a rushed one. Thanks for the video.

[@SuperGibaLogan]

i had this idea on my first episode of my upcoming object show to introduce every contestant, but since it may take a while, i decided i should introduce a few contestants and then reveal the others so that we can get to the teams and challenge faster

[@ChappyMonster]

I agree. Also frankie 3 mentioned. Happy.

[@CertifiedRectangle]

3:49 Probably not the best example you could've picked given that the first episode of TD is mostly character introductions. They don't even really start the first challenge until the second episode.

[@superpatchemario]

shit, might make an episode 3 seconds long

[@GavinArtster]

Some shows have a reason to have a big cast such as Animatic Battle adding all the debuters from Object Fool, while some just want a big cast or smth idk

[@aToastPoptart]

0:03 i know im a bit late to this but i was NOT expecting to see red warp pipe there lol

[@therealgookie]

This is exactly why I prefer shows with a small cast. They are not only way easier to follow, but the characters have more chance to be way deeper and more built than just a one line character that appears once for an episode, says their line and then is never seen again.

[@white_tiger2669]

the problem is less pacing and more character writing watch nearly any new show and you'll find that even after a few episodes you probably won't care about a majority of the cast if not all of them it could be due to a multitude of reasons (falling into an archetype and not doing anything unique, just not doing anything, being annoying, etc) but it generally ends up in not wanting to see these characters for any amount of time, whether it be 30 minutes or 5 on the other hand, take team room 125 and animatic battle. despite being on opposite ends of pacing (10 contestants & episodes a little over 5 minutes if i remember correctly VS 64 contestants and over half hour long episodes) they're both incredibly rewatchable because the characters are fun to see on screen for any amount of time

[@GreatLeYoa]

Live Footage of every person who watched MOSS 1 at the 5: 01 mark: Jokes aside,i was actually sleepy and bored in the first 5 minutes of the show,i was literraly Ready to take a Blanket and sleep on my bed And also i imagine they went something like this on the Crew if it has one: "Dude what do we do? We only have 1 Character so far! Copy and Paste them 58 times and change visuals, while 2 of them are recolours of each other,and ad 5 Joke Characters nobody cares for"

[@bfdifanboi2763]

I have two object shows in the works and I think they both solve this pacing issue: In PFP (35 contestants), I immediately start with the teams. It’s a natural to introduce the characters and their dynamics as well as still having something going on. In FOF (10 contestants), I still kinda have characters talk to each other, but I try to have them do interesting stuff (more than ‘hey, what’s up’). Besides, it’s a smaller cast, so it’s not like I had to spend too long introducing them.

[@BuzzFlowExpress]

I was hard the entire time.

[@Jxnxor]

this is the only good comment

[@Yourboitayy]

Same

[@timzipooOPF]

@@Yourboitayy tf

[@MashedPotatoTasteGood]

My longest object show episode is four minutes, and it wasn't episode one surprisingly I'm probably gonna be revamping most of þat show so þat length could change in þe future

[@ThatOnePlushyBoi]

I've unfortunately been doomed to making my episodes nearly half an hour long, but my writing team try and cram as much as we can into them

[@Naru_cissu]

You should watch battle for chicken nuggets its exactly what youre looking for

[@Chase-RealityShows]

I’m writing an object show that’s on IPhone notes that will never be finished because I can’t animate… 😭 but I agree every character needs a purpose. That’s what I think these shows are missing. every character should have their own personality trait. For instance I have a cast of 14 objects in my show (I’m going for a Survivor style btw) and they all have their own personality traits. Having every character have same traits can get repetitive and boring.

[@Middlechill2official]

I haven't really seen anyone talk about this yet and i DEFINITELY agree

[@ServineSceptr]

I really wanna see more shows with smaller casts,,,

[@enderking775]

Finally, someone who mentions how too many shows are trying to make full-on movies with their episodes. With my show, I just give each character one scene to show their personality and introduce them.

[@antigirlclub]

something i noticed is that despite it being 20 minutes to the first 40 minutes, i enjoyed watching ab caffeination day more than i did ab m is for magic i enjoy ab for the fact that it's just chaotic and i couldnt figure out what the hell was going on for a good while, but i also understand that most people would prefer to have a grasp on what's going on while they watch it. still, i enjoyed episodes 2 and 3 more than i did episode 1 i also really like shows with shorter episodes like love of the s*n and it's time for the i think with such a long episode run, youre essentially forcing yourself to lengthen what could be a 15 minute episode into nearly an hour, so everything is a lot slower than it could be going

[@waywardman7897]

Yeah, I agree. I personally kinda like those introduction episodes, but I definitely see the problem with them. I'm working on a new show that has a lot of characters, but instead of just having all the characters just stand around for half the episode saying hi to each other, I'm instead using that time to bring all the characters together for an event, that kickstarts the season. Also, nice video lol, I never see anybody discuss pacing in object shows.

[@DawDaw24]

The introductions are either fine or bad depending on how they do it but I've never had a problem with it.

[@Vesda09]

My bestie forces me to watch 30 minute long episodes (help me pls)

[@luckystudy10]

Yeah I have to say the first ep of AB is kinda too stretched. The casual chitchats were nice, but I was waiting the entire time for Animatic to show up and start the challenges. But AB still handles it better... I've seen a worse 40-minute first ep.

[@shromblo]

and some object shows are too short (like 4 minutes long) i think a good object show episode should only be 10-15 minutes long or else itll get tiring.

[@themixelzone9968]

I haven’t watched the video, but I am working on an object show, where the contestants have some characters introductions before the competition begins. I do occasionally change events in the episode when I am not satisfied with a certain scene.

[@Sebstrig_Cartoons]

Im happy this got in my recommendations,another tip written down :) thank you for making this

[@OkieDokieOsc]

Dang, I was planning to have a 64 contestant show with mostly interesting characters, and I don’t wanna remove any of them, should I do an episode zero where they just hang out and have a fun time before the challenge? They will each be 10 mins long and the upload schedule would be somewhat close to each other.

[@Matsnat64]

dude do whatever you want, you dont need to appease one object show creator. if you like what you make then thats good enough.

[@OkieDokieOsc]

@@Matsnat64 Just came back to this comment after a while, thanks dude! I’m currently working on it!

[@Matsnat64]

@@OkieDokieOsc thats nice to hear

[@kootunesscrewy]

I kinda see what ya mean. If this was a cartoon with alot of slapstick (like Looney Tunes or Uncle Grandpa), it's one thing. But when the show is basically a competition, it should have more than just "goofy ahh" characters. I don't have a problem with this, but I can understand ya.

[@Dragonpaws64]

This was very violent (in a good way) but helpful :D

[@lozadae1]

Smh people hate on skibidi toilet just to hate, it’s good if you actually watch it instead of just repeating the hate other people say

[@cyberyoutabe5995]

its ass

[@DogeBoy-qe3tx]

I think I accidentally had a pretty good introduction for half the cast of my show without having any idea it was a good way to introduce them lol

[@AFireyguy]

I actually really like it tbh. Longer episodes is more entertaining then 1 10 minute episode with a 50 characters! Animatic battle has a lot of characters because it takes place after objects fool. It would be very rushed for for a 50 characters to be showed in a 10-20 minute episode. So in my opinion just leave it how it is

[@littleawesomeapple]

I disagree completely

[@AFireyguy]

@@littleawesomeapple what makes you disagree?

[@littleawesomeapple]

@@AFireyguy I don't really like object show episodes that are 40 minutes long

[@AFireyguy]

@@littleawesomeapplemy question was what necessarily don’t you like about it like don’t you hate how long it is maybe you don’t have time to watch it. Maybe you’re just not interested into putting your attention span up to that I’m not saying your attention span is bad but like maybe just I don’t know I don’t know about you anything just like what necessarily don’t you like my opinion I like it makes it feel more introduction to the characters to the host the background and I kind of absorb the personality of that differently for other people so that’s why an object shows I like it when it’s really long

[@littleawesomeapple]

@@AFireyguy I don't like it cause long object shows usually have uninteresting writing for me

[@MustyYew]

Pretty much had the same idea for a lot of modern object shows. I don't really mind if they feel the need to have like 60 different characters with unique quirks and traits as long as they actually do something new and entertaining for people to actually care about those characters. Cool video though, if only it were longer...

[@Jaxonhej]

No problem i only have like 2 minute long episodes

[@partycup]

our bad

[@Zachyshows]

Im writing a bfdi fanfoctoon and literally just skipped half of the re-introduction i think

[@AcaiMations]

I guess they're trying to be BFB

[@nendahsyifa9896]

LATE!!! But i just realized that most of object show nowdays are more than half a hour, just take the example for kfc, no i not meant that chicken restaurant, its a korean object show, but why the heck i need to watch 39 minutes for introducing characters... this pacing made me become lazy to watch more than 20+ minutes video, i hate it and its stupid, also i love your channel, You need some recognize :D

[@tumpie]

personally i really like when object shows have a lot of characters and are really long i know this sounds like a joke comment but it isn't lol

[@Habbitual]

I thought AB did pacing better than BFB to be honest, so... shrug. I haven't watched any other long stuff though and I think you're right for some shows :P

[@EarthyOSC]

Most object shows these days have actual horrible pacing, like, can we actually have some character interaction and actual good introductions instead of the characters doing almost NOTHING FOR LIKE HALF THE EPISODE? like jesus.

[@BattleForIreland06]

Planet Hoppers is an OVER AN HOUR LONG!!! (1a and 1b combined)

[@xrryeet7326]

I mean some object shows have a problem with the entire series just being challenges and not ANY character STORY, HFJONE actually did right by making the challenge not important, but the characters IS important, you do have a point on like 20% should be character interaction and the other 80% to be challenges That is helpful, what about character arc?

[@cyberyoutabe5995]

just copy the td introduction scene idk why they do that

[@silly_cat3223]

Ngl you're right but all bfdi series don't have that problem

[@JoanStar]

This is why you shouod watch PB & GB

[@Naralump]

But the thing is, all the object shows you showed are all doing really well. Like the 40+ minute one has 1.8M views on both its episodes. So, isn’t that kind of ironic then the ones you think aren’t great are doing the best right now in the OSC?

[@CrunchDoesStuff]

Heres the thing: i never said they were inheritley not great, ive expressed that i think they are enjoyable, but the pacing gets in the way of a lot of enjoyment. I said i can see why ppl enjoy it, and me personally i enjoy a lot of the episodes from these shows too. This video is complaining about pacing, not the shows themselves.

[@Naralump]

@@CrunchDoesStuff Gotcha. Makes more sense now

[@SSTSpas-12SGSTL]

That’s why my upcoming show is split into three parts

[@fireworkrockets]

good shit

[@Ultrabam]

This is one of the reason why I don’t like object shows with a large cast because after just a few minutes of nothing happening can just be boring

[@haitian32able]

They should make a episode 0 or just split it into two parts 1a and 1b

[@Speedy_Gelatin]

i think it can be done right well it "can" it usaly is not sometimes its just hey look at this i found woah thats so cool hey look at that dam that sucks GRRR witch i do not mind if it does not go on for long but theirs some great ones like i usaly hate team picking it feels like it takes so long and nothing happens but i think tpot does a great job with it it takes a while yes but it feels like all that time was either usfull or telling a good joke so i do not mind tpots at all i like how in iii they did not even try they just were like your the teams now

[@BabyLeonards]

skibidi toilet is better than all of animatic battle

[@mavs_creations1949]

That's the biggest lie I have ever heard.

[@tezla1530]

false

[@AcaiMations]

Wrong Right ↖️⬜️⬜️ 🟥🟨🟩

[@partycup]

dude.

[@Hecka_Fella]

As much as I like to say everyone has their own opinion, you're objectively wrong (i hope to god this comment is a joke)