The Obsessive Journey of the 2012 Shredder - TMNT 2012

[@TheTurtleNexus]

Thanks for watching! Do you think the Shredder's obsession was justified?

[@gabyl5364]

(in a really mediocre english 'cause it's not my native language), Of course not, but that makes him a great villain. He's so obsessed with the revenge, that it's scary. For his own twisted mind all things are justified, but we know the true, he is only a sad man, a really sad but powerful crazy man.

[@andrewsung3965]

He should have given further verbal barb like what happened with darth maul in rebels. He should have been the one being hunted down with everyone knowing he would let earth be killed for petty revenge.

[@bowserbreaker2515]

No, but I can understand him.

[@omegaproductions6660]

I understand why, but no. He’s going too far.

[@trevturp6891]

Shredder's obsession wasn't justified at all in this show.

[@Andre12359]

We all knew Shredder was evil, but the fact that he was willing (and did) destroy the entire planet just to get revenge on Splinter over something that was his fault is next level.

[@benmalsky9834]

The 2012 version of Shredder is my most favorite of all the extended media iterations. He’s just so terrifying and capable, and is legitimately threatening.

[@zachariahkelley5298]

facts bruh

[@elchompi12rewind27]

Mine too

[@conneraldeqn9751]

2012 shredder was an absolute menace

[@omegaproductions6660]

And his voice

[@acceptable1609]

I agree and I’m definitely biased because I grew up on TMNT 2012. Don’t get me wrong 2003 Shredder is also great but I feel like people overshadow 2012 Shredder with their love for 2003’s.

[@firewarrior8298]

Shredder’s relationship with splinter in this version is sort of a dark reflection of Leo and Raph’s as well as Donnie and Casey’s. A sort of warning of how things could turn out if they let their rivalry spin out of control.

[@badreedinedjellali1328]

Yeah but there wasn't as toxic as shredder and splinter realsnship

[@williamkerfoot8039]

That's why Raph's and Leo's reunion in "Carmageddon" was so great!

[@Master-Works]

This Shredder could have been better if he wasn’t so whiny and petty. He just seemed to have no real goals. He just wanted to kill everyone he was mad at

[@lamentslounge]

​@MMM-ux6kc thats what makes him good in this show he is very human petty , jealous, hateful. In 2003 he wasnt human nor did he have emotions outside of his ambitions

[@Master-Works]

@@lamentslounge Calling those traits "human" kind of makes me disgusted by humans. A long time ago someone said those words to me to justify doing bad things. I could never forget. I tried to, but I could never forget

[@kingdomtrue7008]

This version of Shredder obviously has some form of mental illness that twists his perception of reality and causes his obsessions to become overbearing

[@cristinastefania7733]

yeah, seems like Post Traumatic Embitterment Disorder

[@Ivanculina1]

Yes

[@Ivanculina1]

​@@cristinastefania7733 maybe

[@arcadedelprof]

what i liked about this particular shredder, was that from the first moment he showed himself to the turtles, it was immediately apparent that they were deeply un prepared to face him. that 1st fight in the construction site was chilling. Loved the Makoto shishio bives he had.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

There is another layer to that first encounter. The poses he does when they first see him, are taken from the first comic-book. The most notorious difference is that in the comic, the Shredder was defeated and died. While in this version, he kicked everybody's asses.

[@codysonic1]

Yeah it was like looking at a hopeless boss fight from the outside.

[@omegaproductions6660]

I always found it interesting how he genuinely loved Tang Shen, and when she told him he didn’t love him back, he didn’t kill her, he still wanted to be with her. He just wanted to kill Hamoto, and she got in the way. And when she died, he rushed to see if she was okay but his face was burned and ran off.

[@kalvin187douglas]

Didn’t Oroku Saki know he killed her after she jumped over Hamato and he screamed at Shen’s death? I recall he just saw baby Miwa (he later names Karai) and adopt her as her father

[@omegaproductions6660]

@@kalvin187douglas Yeah that’s why I fucking said. He killed her on accident.

[@mindshockz]

@@omegaproductions6660 lmao

[@rickymonfil9236]

@@omegaproductions6660chill out super mario

[@PsychoIncarnate666]

I like the backstory of this version of Shredder the most because it takes elements from the comics and the later versions of the series and combines them. Having Saki being directly involved instead of avenging his brother and Splinter being Yoshi. Splinter having as much intelligence he did before being mutated never made much sense to me so I've always prefered the versions where he IS Yoshi instead of his pet.

[@lorenzoreynolds2512]

Facts me too

[@CreativeStoryteller35]

I really liked this Shredder. Seeing his obsession slowly grow throughout each season was one of the most interesting parts of his character. The fact that he was willing to doom the entire planet just to kill his oldest enemy is just insane. Then him losing his humanity just so he could go after Splinter again.

[@Master-Works]

2003 version was better. This one was just so whiny and petty. It became rediculous

[@XrozChannel]

​@@Master-Worksoh, shut up

[@LegendXD00]

@@Master-Works keep lying to yourself

[@Master-Works]

@@LegendXD00 But it is true. This Shredder was whiny and petty

[@LegendXD00]

@@Master-Works No it’s not, it’s just your biased opinion from someone that clearly likes 2003 more. Nothing more

[@ricardoramos1059]

This version of the shredder was deadly to say the least. However it occurs to me that this version of oroku saki thematically became an oni brought forth by his hatred that ran so deep in his heart he became a literal demon aka super shredder. Oni insome instances were former humans so evil and wicked that they became oni.

[@Master-Works]

Super Shredder was actually a mutant

[@Scar-Predator]

​@@Master-Works Shredder became a Super Mutant as he took loads of Mutagen, but was no longer human.

[@Master-Works]

@@Scar-Predator Technically he was a mutated Human

[@Sean-qg3gg]

@@Scar-PredatorYeah he was a super mutant in multiple classifications. First, by Mikey’s, where you just mutate a mutant. And also by Stockman’s, with super mutagen (which could also apply to Karai, though he hadn’t perfected it yet; maybe also Savanti, since I suspect his time would have retro mutagen perfected). The other classification is a multi-species mutant by Bebop (this includes Justin, Mega Shredder, and Scumbug)

[@Mayan_88694]

@@Master-Worksno he wasn’t,

[@darthvigilante]

The 2012 version of The Shredder is my favourite iteration of Oroku Saki as he serves as an example of how revenge can corrupt someone.

[@CMHobbies]

One of the scariest Shredders. This and 2003 and OG Mirage, though his material is rather scarce.

[@blitzi.m.p5927]

The 2012 shredder has always been my favorite for how brutal and powerful he was especially when he became the Super Shredder I have nothing but respect for this honorable Warrior

[@swiftstreak98]

Minus the honor part since he has none

[@starnblack09]

He has a twisted sense of what is wrong and right

[@swiftstreak98]

@@starnblack09 More like he knows he’s evil but he doesn’t care and he likes it

[@starnblack09]

Ight you got me on that

[@Sean-qg3gg]

⁠​⁠@@swiftstreak98He does have a twisted sense of honor, at least to the Foot and the respect of time by the end. He doesn’t start liking being evil until Requiem. He always knew he was evil, and generally didn’t care.

[@jamesmoss3424]

The 2012 Shredder is very bloodythirsty.

[@Sean-qg3gg]

One aspect I love about an amazing villain is their descent into madness. For Shredder in particular, the decision to mutate wasn’t instantaneous. We see immediately after Bradford mutates into Dogpound how he recognizes the strength of a mutant and decides, as if by default, to make an army of mutants. By Clash of the Mutanimals in Season 3, the turtles have several mutant allies, and are consistently overpowering his henchmen and practically equaling or surpassing Shredder’s strength. I believe it was after this defeat and his roar of anguish that he had the idea to mutate himself. The only reason he wouldn’t before is because he has a prejudice against mutants, actively loathing them, according to Karai, and not just because of the turtles. After Splinter paralyzed him, it seems Stockman chose to use mutagen to heal him (while mutagen does mutate, it can also grant slight strength, telepathy, and regenerative properties in small, controlled states), with the goal of eventually mutating him with a perfected super mutagen. With Karai and Vizioso crumbling his empire, he is against time (another aspect I appreciate from great villains), and rushes to mutation. By Requiem (the best episode in the series), he loves nobody, hates mutants and himself, loves power, yet still holds a twisted sense of honor, regarding his destiny and the Foot, represented by the Kuro Kabuto, which he made sure to stick on his head as he mutated. Leo could’ve maybe won easier in Owari if he played with his honor more, even my sister realized. As Zombie Shredder, it seems he still has Foot honor, less intentions for evil, but an obligation to Kavaxas. With time and destiny having already defeated him, he was perfectly accepting to slightly redeem himself and push Kavaxas back to the netherworld. His telekinetic abilities might even hint to a bit of spiritual refinement during his “eons” spent dead, somewhat replicating a fraction of what Splinter achieved in spirituality. To answer a question asked at the end of the video on his obsessions, I think his obsession against Splinter is justified, but the other acts in which he chooses, such as using Karai as bait or unfairly hating mutants, are not. Splinter reflects each of the turtles in some way, especially before Shen’s death. He is clearly like Leo, is inquisitive enough to understand Donnie, had a temper like Raph, and was silly like Mikey. We see how his Mikey side never really valued Shredder’s problems, often brushing them aside, meanwhile his Raph side never allowed Shredder to vent, which even means Shen’s death is a result of Splinter’s faults. Throughout the show, even as a rat, we see how he isn’t 100% correct or even peaceful. For examples, LH is a monster against his definition, the henchmen couldn’t be given mercy, the turtles successfully rescued Karai, and it was Splinter’s mistake that led to her mutation. In relation to Shredder though, he was on board with killing him in Showdown. Before Super Shredder was beating him, he was in regular fight mode, up until he recognized he wouldn’t win, showing the cowardice Shredder despises. Along with all the family and clan feuds, Shredder’s dislikes against Splinter have been valid. Splinter’s dislikes against Shredder have also been valid though, as Shredder is an absolute hypocrite, literally replicating what Yuuta did by taking Karai.

[@BriarShinn]

This is by far the best version of The Shredder to date!

[@Kaijulord-i1f]

I’d argue that the 2003 Shredder is the best, but 2012 is pretty close.

[@BriarShinn]

@@Kaijulord-i1f 2003 is cool and all but I prefer my Shredder to be an actual human, I do understand why so many love him though

[@ashleywimmers6481]

If you watch season 3 episode 26 you can see all of war crimes of the 2003 Shredder I think why people like the 2003 Shredder is because he so evil

[@BriarShinn]

@@ashleywimmers6481 Yeah but a villain being "so evil" isn't going to make me like them, I like villains with a sad and dark backstory I like a villain with real character depth which in my opinion 2012 Shredder does best.

[@ashleywimmers6481]

@@BriarShinn yeah, I understand is the 2012 series your favorite

[@tyronleung5276]

Orroku nagi needs development and a return to the franchise

[@yumatsukumo1096]

Honest this was my favorite version of the shredder. I like the more obsessed he become the more disfigured he become. Like his outward appearance started matching his sole

[@tomnorton4277]

I love this Shredder. He's such a complex character. Most incarnations are just evil for the sake of being evil. This Shredder is more like a petty man-child suffering from arrested development. He simply cannot comprehend that his misery is 100% his own fault, so he projects it onto Splinter. He's too immature and weak-willed to man up and take responsibility for his behaviour because doing so would force him to admit that he's a flawed human being. That consistently delusional mindset of "it's not my fault" ends up destroying him. Even Karai wants nothing to do with this obsessive madman. I can buy that Shredder genuinely loved her but he's in such a self-destructive cycle, that he ends up destroying his relationship with the one good thing in his life. It's tragic but also completely self-inflicted. However, unlike most weak-minded, self-destructive man-children, this Shredder is also legitimately intimidating. He never loses his aura of menace despite his extremely flawed and immature psychology.

[@Mayan_88694]

2012 Shredder is pure evil lol

[@Mayan_88694]

There is nothing complex about 2012 shredder, he is pure evil and irredeemable.

[@camerondalton1495]

​@@Mayan_88694He is, but I think geneuily loved Shen and felt betrayed by his clan. He has a warped sense of love and only vent all his anger towards Splinter.

[@tomnorton4277]

@@Mayan_88694 Pure evil can be complex. Shen from Kung Fu Panda 2 and Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender are 2 examples. Both are irredeemable monsters but they're still complex at the same time. This Shredder's the same way. It takes VERY skilled writers to make pure evil interesting and these writers managed to pull it off.

[@Pugtato07]

When leanardo faught shredder the reason he was was able to kill shredder is because of shredders regrets he had killed splinter and was now left with what he had to do to achieve that becomeing a mutant turning karia aginst him he was in shock from the monster he had become which gave leo the time to land the killing blow

[@mechajay3358]

This verison of the Shedder is by far the best interpretation of the character

[@justinw7323]

Unlike the 2k3 one this Shredder was the one true Shredder. Not the one that was a body suit worn by an utrom.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

When you say "The one true Shredder" and "2k3" in the same sentence, it is impossible not to think of the human Oroku Saki of that universe. "The one true Shredder" was basically the final boss of that show (until Playmates decided to do those last two seasons).

[@williamkerfoot8039]

This is the best version of the Shredder I've ever seen. He's almost as complex as Demona in this series. Usually this guy is one dimensional and has no characterization, complexity, depth, or nuance whatsoever to his character, which is why I usually find him to be overrated (which would apply to the whole TMNT Rogues Gallery since he's supposed to be the big bad).

[@captaintristan1176]

The part which made me think he is a true pycho was when he killed splinter from saving earth. He literally stopped splinter and let the whole earth be destroyed. How messed up is that?

[@Sean-qg3gg]

Yeah, TC was ready to ditch him then. The only unfortunate change from the turtles reversing time is that TC couldn’t criticize Shredder for that, so he stuck around.

[@CBand01]

I like how shredders ultimate goal is to destroy the turtles and splinter. He doesn’t care about anything else. It’s part of why he didn’t care about the planet being destroyed.

[@elchompi12rewind27]

Nickelodeon created the most Goated version of the Shredder

[@carbodude5414]

All versions of the Shredder are abusers but the 2012 version is the only one where this side of him is a central part of his character as his threatening, violence and gaslighting of Karai, all while convinced that _he's_ the victim, is always framed in a serious light

[@davidcase8635]

2012 Shredder is basically Captain Ahab and Master Splinter is his White Whale. "From Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!" - Captain Ahab from the book MOBY DICK. I can totally see Shredder using this quote.

[@ArcTrooper269]

Is really Hard seeing how much Saki left Hate consume Himself Litterally started to Destroy his physical Body

[@Trippy_Manny_]

i love this shredder by far my favorite just the way he dont give up till he kills splinter and in the first fight with the turtle was PERFECT the pose exactly like the comics and how shredder didn’t evan have to try u could see when he hit donnie with his own staff😂 i laughed and this one is a mix between brute strength and agility like how he can jump really high he might not be doing extra flips and shi but he still beats everyone

[@kalvin187douglas]

“Their carelessness led to the house catching fire due to some fallen candles”🕯️ Man so crazy how a blazing murderous fire came from a few candles

[@SirToaster9330]

That's what you get for living in literal paper and wood

[@zemox2534]

The most petty version of Shredder.

[@ashleywimmers6481]

So the shredder kind of like the turtles’ uncle

[@TheTurtleNexus]

Given that the relation was only there because of a crime, I would say no. For a proper family relationship you have the "Rise" Shredder.

[@ashleywimmers6481]

@@TheTurtleNexus no hate, but I don’t like Rise

[@Lloydproductions4171]

@@ashleywimmers6481I used to be the same way

[@ashleywimmers6481]

@@Lloydproductions4171 what do you mean

[@JarreauEdits]

I think k this version of shredder would be perfect for live action

[@Thetruthbehindsciencefiction]

When you said they could do a movie about the garbage truck I started giggling. Maybe one of the things I liked about this show was the fact that Rob Paulsen (1987 Raphael's VA) came here to voice this version of Donatello. My favorite episodes were the outer space adventures

[@michaelgualtieri651]

This is definitely my favorite version of Shredder. No offense to the 2003 version, but I think this version of the character's backstory adds more layers to him. Plus he's actually a human and not an Utrom which was something I wasn't the biggest fan for. The only nitpick I had with this version of Shredder? I wasn't really that convinced on what lead to his mutation. Like I think it's pretty neat how they tied it to the final battle against Mozar and the Triceriton Empire, I do. But from the way how Shredder was bed bound made it look as if a building fell on top of him when in reality it was pressure point attacks. Which I know are dangerous, just wished they did more with Shredder's injuries.

[@ChristianFrates1997]

To think that this Shredder has the same VA as Lobo the Main Man!

[@SirToaster9330]

One detail worth noting is Shredder calls Splinter by his real name, showing that he still sees him as his brother

[@trevturp6891]

Shredder's obsession wasn't justified at all in this show.

[@Remix-pr4xd]

The whole point was that he let his anger, hatred, and jealousy blind him beyond reason. He blamed others for his problems rather then taking responsibility for his actions.

[@mobolajiade-aina8643]

That's why it's called an obsession, because it's completely irrational. But it's pretty realistic, which is one reason why it works so well, cuz there's actually a lot of humans just like this irl.

[@JohnWall-lj1mx]

Kind of the point he’s so deranged he cannot accept responsibility for his actions at all and just used splinter as a scapegoat for ruining his life so he doesn’t have to look in the mirror and come to terms with what he did

[@michealbanksjr.3630]

That’s the point of his character. His motives aren’t justified at all to where he gets called out for it by multiple characters mostly by splinter.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Dammnit where's the bear when you need him This is a joke and reference to the drak laser another character shredder's voice actor voices

[@RaditzSayian]

This Shredder was truly disgusting. What he did to Karai was nothing short of foul.

[@hyenaholicproductions9033]

All Shredders are evil but the 2012 Shredder always struck me as particuarly assholish. He had this weird grudge over his girlfriend and what the series could have done with saying is, "F you Shred-head, she can date anybody she likes and if it isn't you? Phooey." And then he kills her, and goes on this eternal whinge-fest about how it's all Splinter's fault. Yes, he is the one who kills the woman he claimed to love, and I just can't bring myself to feel bad for that kind of character. But if you're only saying 'one of them' then you're forgetting Mirage Shredder, who has pretty much the same motives of.

[@tevinhoward4419]

It all began in the 1990s as the metal freak nut mastermind eager to get revenge he head to NYC to target Splinter and his sons in 2017 he became SuperShredder and planned to kill the Hamato clan grusomly by killing their Sensei at the Wolf hotel until Leo finished him

[@tevinhoward4419]

However of his jealousy his corruption was hatred and responsible for everything that transpired and lied to karai about it

[@scottduncan5525]

hope we get a video on the Kranng race, creatures from dimension x and their vehicles from the 2012 series

[@TheTurtleNexus]

There is a video about the Utroms in this channel that covers the Kraang. I will release an updated version at some point next year.

[@scottduncan5525]

@@TheTurtleNexus i know but i mean like one focusing mainly on the 2012 version because i feel like they have such an expanded lore about their world, wildlife and even culture

[@DjGreen-f8z]

To think he wanted to destroy/betray the world to avenge his clan, Karai, his father and Shen.

[@Jackp18-f5u]

I literally grew up with 2012

[@DM006]

I will be very against the current. But I find the 2012 Shredder to be the worst so far. In the end he did everything he did only because Tang Shen chose Splinter and not him. Then ok there was the story that he was "adopted" by the Amatos. But the flashback doesn't suggest he was ever treated badly. His seems like the "second son complex" like Scar and Loki. But even so he still looks like an idiot.

[@estle9636]

One of the best Shredders but he has one of the worst motives

[@shanecorcoran2542]

how? his motive makes perfect sense, in his mind he was lied to his entire life and Splinter took everything from him

[@estle9636]

@@shanecorcoran2542 Splinter didn't take anything except Tang Shen. The hamato clan took saki in as a baby, what did splinter have to do with that? Also, being mad because the girl you love chose another guy is a petty motive

[@benny3011]

He want revenge on the clan

[@estle9636]

@@benny3011 He barley knew anything about the foot clan and the hamato clan raised him. That's a pretty trash motive

[@benny3011]

No he want revenge bc the hamato Clan didn't say the truth so it's not trash@@estle9636

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of The Obsessive Journey of the 2012 Shredder - TMNT 2012 momentum 100

[@dragonblast417]

Truck-kun vs GarbageTruck-san Only in theatera

[@ayazizo8861]

Shredder 2012 my favourite 🔥❤❤

[@swiftstreak98]

I like how this Shredder is deformed if anything this is my favorite version of him

[@thearcadiusproject3500]

This all happened because Splinter didn’t respect the bro code

[@michealbanksjr.3630]

This happened because shredder couldn’t accept that Shen loved splinter more and they already had a family was married.

[@alliasstar7289]

The moment you realize All this cause Hamato broke the bro code.

[@marloncarpio8311]

Best Shredder of all time

[@tmrevenge]

Now that you mention it. Me too

[@DjGreen-f8z]

2012 Shredder or IDW Shredder, which is better?

[@salifyangambi9923]

What about the demon shredder of 2018 RISE

[@TheTurtleNexus]

That's the next Shredder I will cover.

[@swiftstreak98]

Rise sucks

[@Popfreak]

He’s literally me

[@Donniestopmotions]

can we all talk about how modern Japan still had ninja clans ? Like, splinter and saki ain't even a 100 years old

[@TheTurtleNexus]

That's a very good question that I have no answer for. Especially because I assume the fire happened in the 90s. And that village didn't seem to match the times (not that there aren't places that look like that in Japan).

[@Madboygamer.]

in one episode didnt splinter mention how he couldnt go to new york because he had to lead what is left of his clan

[@michealbanksjr.3630]

@@Madboygamer.yeah cause he focused on the clan and also his dad grew sick and he wanted to watch after him.

[@SirToaster9330]

I think what they meant by "clans" was basically crime syndicates

[@Ivanculina1]

Omg man Crazy

[@Red.SkullYT]

I’m not going to lie. I was not a big fan of the Zombie Shredder arc. I think it would have cooler if they had kept Shredder dead and then finished ended the foot clan and episode later or that same episode before they got to Shredder.

[@Madboygamer.]

the writers probably did that because nickelodeon wanted another season and writers didnt know what they should for a 5th season since they already ended the show

[@Red.SkullYT]

I get that. I just think that the series should have either ended with Shredder getting killed or Tiger Claw and the rest of the henchmen taking over instead of Kavaxas and Zombie Shredder.

[@Madboygamer.]

@@Red.SkullYT yeah they should have done what the 2003 show should have done when shredder was out of the picture

[@Red.SkullYT]

@@Madboygamer. Exactly

[@jamestolbert1856]

I hate Super Shredder’s design

[@Madboygamer.]

whats not to like

[@jamestolbert1856]

@@Madboygamer. I mean his mutant version. I miss his original desgin

[@Madboygamer.]

@@jamestolbert1856 but his mutation looked alot cooler

[@jamestolbert1856]

@@Madboygamer. and grotesque

[@Madboygamer.]

@@jamestolbert1856 thats another reason its so good

[@Lessons_55]

You got a part of this analysis wrong. Shredder never dated Tang Shen. You messed up there

[@TheTurtleNexus]

I just went by what Tang Shen said. What's your source?

[@Lessons_55]

@@TheTurtleNexus when did she say that though? Give me the link where she states that her and Saki use to date. I literally just watched the original video and not one time did she or Splitter mention anything about Saki (Shredder) and Tang Shen ever dating

[@TheTurtleNexus]

@@Lessons_55 Not a link but an episode. Tale of the Yokai.

[@jamestolbert1856]

It’s so disgusting