The Oilers Surrender Home Ice | 32 Thoughts

Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman dive into the Vancouver Canucks-Edmonton Oilers series and Sunday night's game that saw Vancouver take a 2-1 series lead and regain home ice advantage.
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0:00 - Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman dive into the Vancouver Canucks-Edmonton Oilers series.
11:40 - Shifting focus to the Florida Panthers-Boston Bruins where, following some officiating controversy, the Panthers took a 3-1 series lead.
30:08 - They park the Stanley Cup Playoff chatter for a moment to focus on the Leafs' coaching search.
40:10 - Elliotte provides an update on Utah's leadership.
43:21 - Paying tribute to the late Ron Ellis.
46:29 - The guys answer your questions in the Montana’s Thought Line.
1:04:02 - Jeff and Elliotte wrap the podcast by previewing Monday's action between the Hurricanes and Rangers, and the Stars and Avalanche.
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This podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman.
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The Oilers Surrender Home Ice #nhl #hockey #32thoughts

[@BrodyCanuck]

Cant stand the bias towards Oilers by the sports analysts and also the refs/league. No talk of suspensions for Oilers intentional spear to the nuts on Hoglander, or throwing Pettersson head first into the boards followed by an elbow to the back of the head, the intentional high stick on Hughes, the lumberjack slash by McDavid on Soucys injured leg before he was accidentally hit in the face by Soucys cross check that was intended for the chest. Blatant bias

[@rodzor]

It's always been biased. It is what it is. Brian Burke saying "Sedin is not Swedish for 'punch me, or headlock me in a scrum.'" comes to mind. It just makes victory all the more meaningful.

[@ML-my8qq]

@@rodzorYa! I love how the white flag gets waved before the game even starts

[@RodelIturalde]

@@ML-my8qq If Canucks did same thing to McDavid, well, we talk about a very long suspension. Because cant do that to the golden boy...

[@gameburn178]

The "heir apparent" has had a bit of pampering for years. "We need to protect the stars" is code for protecting McDavid. This might be a good thing if they also protected Hughes and Pettersson. The problem is the attitude by owners/mgt/league about the playoffs being refereed in a more laissez manner. Other sports have, by and large, been able to avoid this tendency... not sure why hockey hasn't.

[@kernn708]

"lumberjack slash" "accidentally hit in the face" sure some selective phrasing there

[@operadad]

I have an idea... maybe Vancouver really is that good... hmmm

[@SmithSens16]

The last two podcasts have been basically ad free, thank you guys! Great work as well

[@dallascook928]

Why did Connor McDavid get cross-checked in the first place oh that's right because he swung his stick violently at somebody first if you're going to suspend somebody you're going to suspend Connor McDavid as well I don't care if he's a superstar and you don't touch those players you're a hockey player you want to swing your stick you're going to get it back

[@bryanlane679]

League wants to get rid of stuff after the game.... unless it's Oilers? McDavid started everything with a 2-hand lumberjack slash, Hyman ended it with a crosscheck to Zadorov's head. Only Canuck players disciplined... OK. Nothing for spears, boarding, slewfoots, elbows which were far more dangerous?

[@familymclean]

Soucy cross checks McDavid. McDavid slashes soucy. Soucy slashes McDavid, then zadorov comes in and give a cross check, then Soucy cross checks McDavid. Get the play right.

[@bryanlane679]

@familymclean if you think the initial shove is a crosscheck, you clearly haven't watched really any hockey at all. It was a light shove and McDavid escalated to 2-hand slashes.

[@no-no-no718]

Common, Jeff, clearly McDavid's falling and had he not he'd been pushed in the chest just like any other push in scrums.

[@kovuroo]

The only reason why draisaitl said "the post is not good goaltending" is because the question asked was "4 or 5 shots hit the post, is that bad luck or good goaltending?" It was a stupid question which is what he snapped back at, not silovs. I wish some people would read the context sometimes.

[@mrquirky3626]

Shouldn't his answer have been 'bad luck' then. The reporter gave him an out and Sour Kraut didn't take it.

[@kovuroo]

@mrquirky3626 well that's like asking someone if 2+2 is 4 or 100. You'd probably want to address the other option given to you if it's outrageous lol

[@ozzydo2314]

Maybe silvod didn't give them much to shoot at and they were left to aim for inches.

[@prana16]

"Control of your stick control of your stick"... unless you are McDavid whacking Hughes in the face, or Ryan spearing Hoglander in the nuts. Or on the very play in question Zach Hyman coming in with a flying crosscheck to the face of Zadorov at the end of the scrum.

[@jacki630]

The golden boy would never get a double minor! Even when blood is dripping from Hughes’ face and ref takes him off the ice.🙄

[@andrebitoff3726]

Really hate what I'm going to state. Hockey has to broadcast live audio. Perhaps limiting or removing commenting. With all respect to Foster, son Bill, Danny, Bob, Bud, et all. With love Deetroit.

[@FLPanthers_Steelers_Fanatic]

Again, Panthers win in 5 and we are deeper, stronger and Bruins cannot survive us

[@MrNicolas61]

When Marchand or the bruins complain about how they're treated it falls on deaf ears and that's how it should be.

[@josephweimers4021]

Same story , same discussion. Oilers need a certifiable#1. Like a demko , saros , ottinger. Skinner just hasn't been able to elevate his game. A decent goalie but definitely being outduelled by silovs. A young prospect who shined at the world cup and now is showing that same shine in the playoffs. Id earnestly believe pikard will do better cause he's very seasoned cause skinner dragging his feet cause of the pressure to win as a favorite.

[@OvieSnips8]

Oilers have scored 11 goals in 3 games. Team Defense and Goaltending is the issue. Also parading the Oilers top line for 30 minutes a night isn't sustainable.

[@danielmaloney946]

Thats the same problems this team has always had. Correct? And this year all the Oiler fans said the Oilers have a new an improved defense, right?

[@mrquirky3626]

Oilers have only scored 8 goals, Ian Cole scored the other 3.

[@nerinamak3298]

Elliotte Friedman, NHL’s unofficial official spokesman

[@rfruss]

Jeff, if you look at the clip the game is over. McDavid moves toward Soucy and Soucy pushes him away but control your stick McDavid slashes him and he gets it back and pays the price. Why was there not a hearing on his high stick on Hughes which in my opinion was deliberate. This is the way McDavid is when he is frustrated, he tend to take liberties.

[@jacki630]

McCrybaby “ the golden boy”

[@henrys2403]

The most dangerous moment in the game was Kane trying to hit Zadorov with his skate.

[@vincmontecristo439]

And Perry of all people trying to hold his legs.

[@GarateBeauprez]

very good

[@roacharoo7189]

Yes! if Mcdavid wasn't falling, the Soucey cross check would not have been high. Connor fell into it while diving

[@user-my5nc7cb1l]

I’m just gonna say it. How can you blame the bottom 10 if they never get to play. No rhythm. No sense of being trusted or involved.

[@doory988]

Is there anything better than a team who have had a decade of officials looking the other way come playoff time, feeling the other end of the stick? Cry Boston Cry.

[@damesl1245]

If the DOPS is so consistant with what they do suspend and what they dont suspend, why is Soucy suspended for the crosscheck and Hyman who crosschecked 5 seconts later not fined or suspened?

[@jackjack564]

Lol, I heard that too. I really don't believe it's bias towards one team or another in particular throughout the league, it's just so randomly inconsistent. It's frustrating

[@damesl1245]

@@jackjack564 I'm new to hockey so forgive me, is there leniency for a player that retaliates on the oppositions penalty? Maybe that's why it looks inconsistent. No words, no fine, no suspension, like it was ok to do it. Seems like zadorov and soucy were just retaliating to McDavids foul play. NHL, make it make sense 🙈

[@noodkiller123]

I think the biggest issue with the reffing is that it’s got significantly worse year after year and year after year absolutely nothing gets done to try and fix the issues

[@Npial]

I thought Zadorov got a penalty because he held Kane down and gave him a couple of extra shots for good measure.

[@colecolettecole]

rule 69.7 REBOUNDS & LOOSE PUCKS - in a rebound situation , or where a goalkeeper and attacking player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed .

[@user-my5nc7cb1l]

If I was Canucks management I would have anticipated the league screwing them at some point. Remember Rome? Was that him. Suspended the rest of the playoffs for an open ice shoulder to shoulder hit. Oh but it was sort of late! What like finishing your check? I would definitely make sure I have a lot of back up options. You know, fool me twice…

[@gameburn178]

Canucks built their team around 5 on 5 play. Traded players for it, coach it, watch videos on it. The downside is maybe an under-emphasis on special teams. I'm not sure what the Oilers have been working on. PP and PK become more important in the playoffs... but you get less of them it seems, so... 5 on 5 and grit and endurance matter. Oilers can still win this, but their lack of depth and lack of 2-way Dmen hurts them over the course of a series. This is on the GM in Edmonton. Oh, and the goaltending problem... been a problem for 3 years now. Also a GM problem.

[@mrquirky3626]

You got to give some some credit to the improvements the Canucks made on the PK this season. Not only was the team almost dead last in the PK in the last two seasons in a row but they almost set a league record for lowest season PK percentage ever. They got it up to at least 17th in the league this year and that trade for Lindholm was just as much for him to help the PK as 5 on 5.

[@colecolettecole]

same issues as last year ~

[@dougstewart3243]

Skinners GAA against the Canucks this year is 4.5 Silovs is 2.6 they have no chance

[@ciarannolan247]

Do you guys can talk about the Edmonton goaltending all you like...... Vancouver is playing without Thatcher demko guys. If we had them call they wouldn't even be a discussion on whether Edmonton will win this series or not it would be over already

[@geometricsphereuniversalin7043]

No injury no suspension. Because it's the princess of the league.......

[@rolstonr]

I hate, hate, HATE the LAZY trope of a teams 'losing' or 'regaining' home ice. Unless I'm mistaken, last I checked, game 7 is still scheduled to be played in Vancouver. If the game 7 location keeps changing based on wins/losses during the series, I will apologize for my rant.

[@markglennon5574]

For chrissakes, Zadorov held Kane on the bench. In no way does he hit Kane and skate away.

[@geometricsphereuniversalin7043]

He was being held

[@GreenBeanGreenBean]

Kane held his stick, Kane also made a kicking motion with his skate blade at Z.... Kane should have got a 5 minute major and ejection.

[@matth268]

32 thoughts. 31 of them are about Canadian the 7 Canadian teams...again.

[@user-ck3qf2qp8w]

elliote - you're a vancouver fan boy.

[@andiman45]

the "canucks were wildly outshot" as you mentioned but they were leading 1/2 way thru the first, and for the rest of the game. THis would have been opposite if it was oilers leading...

[@F.A-TUBE]

Biggest mystery in history after the question "How were the pyramids built?" is "where is the Respect for Vancouver canucks who are beating everyones expectations and insults with 0 Lottery picks from draft?"

[@davideaston6944]

Refs tried to give it to 'em again at in the 3rd, but Vancouver PK prevailed... Good on 'em! LOVED watching Kane's SMIRK get wiped off his face when he realized it was 4 on 4 after all... ... Watch out for a Canucks suspension, and NOTHING for McD-Time for the slash that precipitated it all, though. Was there any word on a suspension for the spear to the groin from last game? Nope, Ryan gets nothing... Soucy cross-check to the head was a complete accident; falling McDefense? after Zadorov hit was the reason... Had he been standing, it would have been a check to the chest, and the scrum eventually played out... But this is Connor Hockey God, so, who knows how biased the NHL will play this... ??

[@stephenletts4942]

Elliotte is the best...

[@ThisWholeWorld100]

Everything is a "conversation"!

[@williamarmour1656]

Gotta love it, Bruins fans calling the other team dirty!?:!?; and nucks fans trying to our drama Leafs nation

[@MrNicolas61]

Omg Marchand and the bruins have dine way worse than what bennett did there. Marchand deserved it. This is such a nothing burger and everyone is blowing it up.

[@skyskimmer]

Shout out to the great Jared Keeso!

[@spexx2863]

Zadorov held Kane in. 100% otherwise should have been no call

[@ciarannolan247]

Playoffs baby 😍😍😍😍. No team has ever happy with any call

[@glenncrewdson2758]

How come mcdavid not finded

[@Listman11]

Obviously the league wants to grow the game in Florida and the southern states.

[@michaelzilkowsky2936]

the turning point of the game was Foegel's turnover that resulted in a goal 2 seconds later.

[@MrNicolas61]

You're so wrong Elliotte. Coyle didn't touch swayman until the puck was already in the net.

[@georgemcelroy3058]

Are you blind? If so, I'm sorry for you. If not, you might have a CT scan because you're brain isn't functioning.

[@maxwellcarlscott]

I think there's entirely too many reps on the ice.... as it is.. why is there two lines men if we're just going to review offsides every time anyway

[@danielmaloney946]

The main reason the Canucks are winning is not Silovs. The main reason is that the Canucks play a complete, balanced game and the Oilers play a top-heavy, incomplete, imbalanced game. Better to face 40 shots with proper structure than 14 with chaotic turnovers and countless missed defensive assignments... If you were trying to create the most difficult situation for a goalie, it would be this - be on an offensive team that spends all their time in the other end, and still doesn't score enough to justify the style, and then when they finally do come your way, it is odd-man rushes and chaotic defensive turnovers. Oh what a coincidence - that is the Oilers exact system!

[@cliffordwebb137]

Announcers drink Oiler Kool-Aid.

[@ozzydo2314]

Zadorov got cross checked in the face by hyman and needed stitches Hyman gets away with it.

[@mercywilliams2698]

Brad Marchand thoroughly roughing up Florida’s Stenlund..who got knocked around quite a bit in short order in the game ..that’s the sort of move that will set up a Sam Bennett moment such as the one on Marchand. Like Vegas breaking Tkachuk’s sternum last year…just have to know the Bennett Marchand punch out is coming..

[@Sencess]

Im not sure which one is Jeff and which one is Elliotte, but damn after hearing some of the arguments that are made, one of them is straight up dumb

[@laztavus]

that’s victim blaming hahaha, the fact nobody did anything gets me, if I was coach the bench clears

[@mathias2410]

Why are people calling the canuck goalie Shelovs when his name is Silovs? Silovs with an s, nothing else.

[@wbj2000]

Hope Bennett licks Marchant ... funny how Boston doesn't like cheap plays suddenly. 🤣🤣 It's bully hockey and the Panthers are built to play. AKA .. not the Leafs.

[@jessicawalker8023]

he oilers will not win with there goaltending 100% skinner not consistant enough

[@billrowen9417]

You guys are a joke! I agree, I love tough hockey. Playoff hockey. But the dirty hits need to be called. Someone going to get serious hurt or career ending and your on record as saying suck it up it's playoff hockey. Isn't nice to say anything you want with no consequence. People need to use their heads. You can still have tough hockey without the dirty plays

[@MildandLazyGuy]

Shanny a champion of teams that look nothing like the Leafs. Nothing.

[@user-ck3qf2qp8w]

you're absolutely wrong eliotte - vancouver is lucky to be up 2-1. they should have lost the 1st game if it weren't for the oilers and skinner being bored to death. and the 3rd game, they barely hung on.

[@nuvve8159]

who cares about 5-5? the reason there are power plays is because Canucks are taking penalties 5-5. mcdavid fast, canucks take penalties.

[@georgemcelroy3058]

The NHL needs to come to the aid of McJesus (no injury), but Marchand (injury) is OK? I'm calling BULLSHIT!! If the Bs are going to lose anyway, Bennet should up his life insurance.

[@MrNicolas61]

Sweeney and Montgomery are fools.

[@MrNicolas61]

Bennett barely touched Coyle.. stfu about this already. The goal counted, Bruins sre gonna be playing golf in a few days.

[@MrNicolas61]

Poor cry baby Bruins, dont like the taste of their own medicine.

[@Shortstring5]

Oilers depth has flat lined.

[@JTMBVideos]

Your not to bright

[@MosquitoMurderer]

Jeff Marek's attempted sarcasm is way too cringey. Can't stand any word he says. There's no substance or authenticity, just someone who's trying to say the right thing

[@nhynyx]

Maybe you need a snickers bar bud.