The Old God Yogg Saron - Warcraft Lore

[@SirMalorak]

That's why Wotlk was so awesome. Sure, it was Wrath of the Lich King, but Blizz managed to create amazing lore about one of the old gods practically outta nowhere.

[@guest0046]

Lol, they just copied HP Lovecraft and heavly borrowed from his stories hehe

[@jamieyeaw7793]

Yeah he's based off of yog-sothoth one of the four outer gods in h.p. Lovecraft works

[@nopenullify8947]

Agreed. The story of Yogg is AMAZING and Ulduar is THE BEST raid there will EVER be...

[@Sengrath2986]

He was hinted in warcraft 3 frozen throne.

[@TuxedoCruise]

Sargeras wants to destroy all life in the universe so the Old Gods have nothing to live off from and die. Sargeras sees the creatures of the Twisting Nether as the best tool for this and creates the Burning Legion to eventually starve the Old Gods and hit the reset button on the universe. When Sargeras ran into resistance on Azeroth, he created the Lich King from the soul of Ner'zhul. The Lich King's goal was to amass a scourge army to weaken the defenses on Azeroth so the Burning Legion can successfully invade. The Old Gods sees the Burning Legion, the Lich King, and the scourge as threats to their existence. So manipulating the Champions of Azeroth to come to Northrend and fight back against the Lich King and his scourge army was exactly what the Old Gods had planned.

[@MrSchwa-jz6tb]

So basically The Old Gods and Sargeras both lose because...reasons...

[@L33ThaxFTW1]

really good comment thank you

[@grayvestowne5751]

If you think about it for a few seconds, everything in this game happens because of the Old Gods. Burning Crusade - Illidan fighting Sargeras, who wants to wipe out all life bc of the Old Gods, Wrath of the Lich King - Sargeras’ idea to be undead, Cataclysm - Deathwing was one of the largest projects of the Old Gods. MoP - Heart of Y’Shaaj for Garrosh, Legion - Sargeras’ expansion and BfA, which I don’t want to talk about anything related to the old gods for that was just upsetting what happened

[@caffemocca8855]

Nah all of them have their own agenda. The Voids, the Fel, and recently Death...

[@TheJcjonesacp]

And it was ruined by shadowlands!

[@Bydnelg]

during the vision of Arthas Yogg-Saron says "No king can rules forever" when Arthas is dieing his father says "No king can rule forever my son." Arthas then replies "I see only darkness before me"

[@tony9099]

you forgot to say "only death is eternal"

[@karisumataichou]

The darkness was probably Yogg-Saron's shadowy essence surrounding his fabricated projection of King Terenas Menethil. Shortly afterward, he tells Tirion and Bolvar that there must always be a Lich King. But what if that's just a fallacy designed to enlist a new Lich King as an insurance policy to make sure Yogg-Saron still has a puppet to serve as his proxy agent?

[@cheese4746]

karisumataichou thats 2 spoopy 4 me

[@karisumataichou]

Well, consider this: We know from the Legion pre-launch event that Yogg is still around in Ulduar. Yogg has proven to project himself like he did with Sara in Ulduar. ICC and the Lich King's armor are constructed from Saronite (i.e. the blood of Yogg himself). The fact that they chose for King Terenas to echo the same phrase of "No king rules forever" in the official Lich King defeat cinematic, no less, is some very strong foreshadowing. Say what you will about Blizzard's content releasing schedule, class/spec balancing, etc. but they have a detailed, long-term mindset when it comes to the story. Upon Yogg's defeat, he alludes to Azeroth containing a Titan soul by referring to it as a "Miserable seedling". Try to think of the universe as a giant struggle between Light and Void, with Azeroth vs. The Burning Legion vs. The Old Gods as their retainers in a 3-way struggle.

[@araposkulo]

Well, Arthas was an undead and from what we know when undead die their souls go to an empty space, filled with only darkness and endless suffering. So "I see only darkness" can mean that as well

[@ricardomolina905]

I've seen many people doing lorr videos of wow. this one my friend broke the molde of awesomeness. The music and the narrative pace is so neat!. Great job!!!

[@MsShadowside]

wow amazing!You telling this story cheeped me out,you actually put me in the spirit!great job

[@AGEofNothing]

isnt his true form a 0/1 with taunt?

[@user-zg3gh8xg9v]

Meanest, maddest, most maniacal toad ever! :)

[@user-zg3gh8xg9v]

Sadly, not after the patch...

[@thegamesforreal1673]

Frog-Saron, Hope's end!

[@purkkiloota667]

Jack Waltz BOW DOWN BEFORE MY TRUE FORM frog saron hopes end

[@yoghurtcat]

His true form is pyroblasting himself immediately as hes played

[@Phatnaru0002]

I don't know much about warcraft lore, but when I heard about the old gods, I thought it sounded real cool. So it bummed me out severely when I found out that theses ridiculously powerful and ancient deities could actually be defeated by puny playable characters.

[@LoreWhore]

+Phatnaru0002 Yeah, that can be the problem with eldritch horrors in video games sometimes. They seem so massive and cool until you're the guy pointing an arrow at Cthulhu. Even if he was weakened 10,000 years ago by gods. +Nedim Lerzan Hallaçlı probably has the right idea though, it softens the blow to their image a little if you think of us as just sort of tickling a small, surfaced part of their already weakened physical form.

[@hymnisian]

+Lore Whore i think as we progress through WoW we become more powerful. weve defeated a demon hunter, a king of endless undead. a small but powerful portion of an old god. a dragon aspect that could tear the world apart. an orc infused with the powers of an old god. and some other orcs too. not to mention archimonde. a demon so powerful that it could have obliterated azeroth and draenor then and there. but we stopped and defeated the lieutenant of sargeras. i think what blizzard is trying to do is show that slowly, through experience the player becomes more powerful with each monster slain. maybe in a few expansions or so we might be able to challenge more portions of old gods. till the inevitable release of the old gods (hinted at illidans vision in his lore book). dont know how long it is but im already excited for it.

[@tinkornhardfist7574]

The old gods are actually not the most powerful creatures. Let's not forget that they were created by the void lords. Void lords/gods and Sargeras are most likely the most powerful beings.

[@genghiskhan6809]

Sargeras is but a lonely titan, meanwhile the Void Lords are the Warcraft universes equivalent of the Outer Gods of Lovecraftian lore. Beings that we know have existed since the beginning of time itself and ruled primordial universes in times immemoriam but likely have existed before and likely will continue to exist after the end of time itself.

[@Romalian]

Yogg Saron sure seems to be way more menacing than C'thun.

[@trial_with_an_error9687]

He is the lucid dream, the maw of a thousand faces. BEHOLD HIS TRUE FORM, BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH.

[@Hu1tziil]

*proceeds to transform itself into a 0/1 with taunt*

[@akaCaptainTang]

Stumbled upon your channel and your videos. Subbed... just awesome stuff.

[@devincampbell5007]

yogg saron is the true lord of the scourge

[@azathoth2153]

These are great videos man. I think you've got the perfect voice to read H.P. Lovecraft, where I believe at least some of this stuff is derived from. For example.. "Yogg-Saron" and "Yog-Sothoth" or "C'thun" and "Cthulhu" or even "N'Zoth" and perhaps "Zoth-Ommag" The WoW old gods do at least compare with some of Lovecraft's mythos imo.

[@TravisBlack]

Warcraft =/= Lovecraft

[@dedicious]

@@TravisBlackdon’t think that’s what this person was trying to say. they were just saying that the Old Gods are very clearly inspired by Lovecraft’s work

[@TravisBlack]

@@dedicious right, no I'm saying that the vast majority of Warcraft is inspired by Lovecraft. Azeroth itself is just Azathoth respelled.

[@melonman6522]

I don't think it's mentioned Yogg Saron had a hand in King Llane's assassination or with the Lich King. He seemed to use the assassination as an example of our conflicts, and gloated about how he benefits from those conflicts. He just spoke about the Lich King really, didn't give any connection between him and the Scourge. Yogg Saron has said useful bits of information since, the puzzle box tells us Xavius is still around (Though he is very cryptic about it.)

[@andrewroncallo1336]

Justin Carson to be fair, the old gods are why the scourge exist.In fact, the reason why every atrocity exists in WoW's universe. The void lords created the old gods. Tbe old gods played a part in Sargeras' madness, which created the burning legion. The burning legion corrupted the eredar people, created the first warlocks, Kil'Jeadan and Archimonde. These two both plagued and manipulated the mortals of Draenor, to search and destroy the Draenei. Eventually they killed the planet, but before that they had their sights on Azeroth, which had been tainted by the void lords and their old God creations. For this reason Sargeras contacted Azshara and the highborne. When the invasion failed, they made an enemy of the legion. This was the reason for the first war between humans and orcs. Their battle than grew into the war between the Alliance and Horde, which grew with the inclusion of the other races of Azeroth. While these races fought their petty war, the legion manipulated things from the shadows, one such individual was Ner'Zhul, the original lich, who had created the scourge. So ues, if you think back to the issue that created the scourge in the first place, it was the old gods that had been the cause the entire time. Yogg'Saron did have a part to play, because he and the old gods are the very reason all these wars were fought. It's sort of like a domino effect, one that I personally think the void lords had tipped off, to hasten the end of all life in the universe.

[@melonman6522]

Well sure, but why not then blame the Titans too if we're going to go to ridiculous lengths? After all if they didn't create vrykuls and the orcs there would be no first war, or second war, or third war there'd be no Garona or Llane, or Arthas or Ner'zhul to become the Lich King and no human corpses to form the army of the Scourge or the orcs of the Old Horde. In fact if not for the Titans the Old Gods wouldn't have a reason since the Black Empire wouldn't have fallen. So since we are basing things on mental gymnastics the Titans did it. In summary think before you try to be smug. It could end up blowing up in your face. Edit; Also it was the Void Lords who contributed to Sargeras' madness. So your absurd blaming via chain of events kinda crumbles.

[@andrewroncallo1336]

Justin Carson yes I mentioned the void lords, and how they created the old gods. It's because they created the old gods that Sargeras fell to madness and despair. Plus, to be accurate, the titans were responsible for the creation of humans, dwarves, and gnomes. The vrykul were also beings created by the titans, and were afflicted with the curse of flesh. A lot of things on Azeroth exist because of the interference of the old gods and titans. And as for my chain of events, it's all true in warcraft lore. Why you got offended and say it's absurd, I don't understand. I wasn't trying to start an argument, just pointing out that a lot of the wars that happened in warcraft, has happened because of the void lords and their old God creations.

[@andrewroncallo1336]

Justin Carson dude listen. The void lords CREATED the old gods. Sargeras had found a planet with a titan soul, and saw that it had been corrupted by the old gods. This caused him to cut the planet in half, killing the old gods, but also killing the titan soul with the planet. This caused the pantheon of titans to get angry, and confront Sargera's on what he has done. Sargera's tried to tell the others what he had seen, but none believes him, and thought he should have tried to save the planet and titan before committing the act he had done. Sargera's though felt he did the right thing, as the titans had not witnessed the corrupting power of the old gods. You are right, it had been the void lords that had been responsible for these chain of events, but the old gods kicked it off by driving Sargeras to madness.

[@melonman6522]

The Void Lords are the cause of Sargeras going evil, not the Old Gods, meaning it was them who caused Sargeras' madness and then the rest of the chain, not any of chronicles. Check Chronicles, they recently retconned it, Sargeras is motivated to burn planets to save them from the Void Gods corrupting them, seems like cutting off your hand so no one else does, but that's besides the point. Even if that was the case you'd still have to show they did that with the intention to cause Arthas to torture Bolvar. After all with using event chains like this, you could blame the holocaust on a guy having lunch in 1888 for somehow causing Hitler's parents to meet resulting in Hitler, resulting in Hitler's anti-Semitic thoughts, resulting in him rising in power, resulting in the Holocaust. If we did that trials would be ridiculous and end up sometimes stretching to people who have been dead for thousands of years being at fault for things. If you genuinely meant well, I apologize for my hostility, just don't like being corrected by people unless they ARE correct.

[@PvtWiggles]

Another great video, good job bro!

[@LoreWhore]

Pvt Wiggles Thanks! :)

[@zepwnersoup88]

You fixed the black bars! This one was better than the last one!!!

[@LoreWhore]

Mike Hunt Thanks! Good to know I'm improving! :D

[@Margonite]

And yet here we are with the burning question: "Who the f is Sara?"

[@therealoldnosey8689]

I could be wrong but a while ago I remember seeing some video that explained how some of Yogg-Saron's quotes, particularly from the Ulduar fight with him, were also said exactly the same way by different people through out history and time in warcraft. Does anyone know if this is true? Or where that video might be?

[@LoreWhore]

Might not be what you mean, but during phase two of the Yogg-Saron encounter, he creates visions that players have to enter in order to get access to his brain. You "see" the Lich King torturing Bolvar Fordragon, the creation of the Demon Soul, and Garona's assassination of King Llane, all while Yogg-Saron whispers in your ear. Not sure about any of his other quotes though.

[@therealoldnosey8689]

Lore Whore Yeah I know that part. I might just be remembering something that didn't happen, but I swear Deathwing or someone once said, "bow down before the god of death." Also he does say, "No king rules forever, only death is eternal," which is what the spirit of King Menethil II said to Arthas after Arthas is defeated.

[@LoreWhore]

I don't remember it, but that sounds like a thing Deathwing would say, lol. I remember someone posing a theory that between King Terenas II repeating Yogg's quote, and the music playing in the background, that perhaps the ghost was really Yogg, and that later we would find out that Bolvar Lich King was under the influence of the Old Gods. Pretty sure Blizz shot down that theory though by saying they had no plans for the Lich King to be a threat again or something.

[@azathoth2153]

One thing I've been thinking about is where exactly this mysterious Ny'alotha is located. It could be within the Emerald Nightmare, like some kind of meta-physical metropolis, I don't know..

[@ShamriCayia]

+Azathoth Ny'alotha is probably the Emerald Nightmare's center, probably where Xavius is acting.

[@scottpumo6010]

I believe that is the Rift of Aln, but i could be mistaken. From the whisperes of the puzzle-box of Yogg'Saron it sounds like Ny'alotha is located deep under the seas of Azeroth. My thought is that it is located somewhere near to the maelstrom where Naz'jatar is said to be.

[@SJSALT]

Azathoth it's deep in the rift of aln

[@natehicks8000]

Two words- Praise Yogg

[@peppis3408]

there is a story behind arthes father and yogg saron.

[@Styled-cy7ft]

great channel and pronunciation, so many lore videos butcher the names, thank you

[@LoreWhore]

San Lingam Thanks! We'll see how long I can keep that up, I swear Blizzard makes some of these names as unpronounceable as possible, haha.

[@lucas8265]

Y'shaarj wasn't killed by the mogu constructs. Aman'Thul reached down for above azeroth and ripped him from the ground

[@pincaptain4867]

Is it actually possible that this has some relation with the newest expansion? (Shadowlands)

[@markieresendez4600]

Great series. : )

[@Wondrous_U]

With the Legion gone...they will come again

[@wolfrickbloodaxe5463]

Amazing work! keep it up!!! you will Become the Lore Warchief!!!

[@scottpumo6010]

Tyr is dead. He died fighting two C'Thraxxi generals in what was named the Tirisfal Glades in his honor. The C'Thraxxi were sent after him, Archaedes, and Ironaya at the command of Loken. After Tyr stole the Discs of Norgannon in an attempt to thwart Loken's plans and call Algalon down to Azeroth. Tyr stopped and held off the two C'Thraxxi so that Archaedes and Ironaya could get to Uldaman with the discs. Tyr died taking one of the C'Thraxxi with him, but the other escaped. I am pretty sure his name was C'ithix.

[@thefastestlink5637]

But still, up to 30 spells, one battlecry. Win the match or lose it, yogg is powerful.

[@linkzellda]

5:11 I have seen enough hentai to know where this is going!

[@Sibbot]

no where...

[@kaiserbeelzebub4th]

2:17 furblogs? or furbolgs? im confused!

[@LoreWhore]

+MaD_ DoGE Definitely furbolgs. I just butchered the name.

[@JonasBM3]

The Lovecraft is strong with this one.

[@DaviePipes]

These videos are amazing keep them coming

[@DJShire_ATL]

I’d be surprised if you didn’t already have the Loremaster title

[@RUPAKRANAismyname]

Where can we find yogg saron? Any dungeon?

[@LoreWhore]

+RUPAK RANA He's the last boss of the Ulduar raid, in the northern area of Stormpeaks

[@Constantine7]

Are you new to wow

[@RUPAKRANAismyname]

+Constantine Yes

[@Magidornwill]

This video only shows us what Yogg-Saron WANTS us to believe!

[@danhibiki5977]

Lol..Tyr (Missing in action)

[@Baard5Szomoru]

please keep doing videos i like your work!

[@martintrebichavsky4243]

Nerzhul is pawn of yogg saron...

[@WildBassfly]

these videos are SO FUCKING GOOD

[@varynlied]

you said C'Thun didn't die right he's just defeated ok he's my fav

[@kalsizzle]

shame what they did with nzoth after leading up to him for 10 years

[@BigShaneGillis]

The beast with a thousand what?

[@sashimicheetah]

Maws.

[@josephhill7728]

Wrong. The dwarves descended not from the earthen, but the metallic blue dwarves you can find in The Storm Peaks. The TROGGS descended from the earthen. The Curse of Flesh affects different body types in different ways, the softer the 'skin' or smaller the body, the curse had more severe effects on. As the earthen were stone creatures, and the metal dwarves were...METAL creatures (obviously stone is less dense and softer than metals) the earthen transformed into a primitive version of the dwarves called the TROGGS. since the curse of flesh had a more severe effect on them.

[@LoreWhore]

You're partially correct. According to the Platinum Discs in Uldaman and the Tribunal of Ages in the Halls of Stone, the original Earthen were what descended into Troggs. When the Titans discovered the anomaly, they reshaped the Earthen to be more resilient to this anomaly. This second wave of Earthen are what became the Dwarves, but the ones we know and play went into hiding in Uldaman at the time of the Sundering. Those that became the Frostborn likely ones that migrated north from Uldaman (according to Brann Bronzebeard) and taken by Loken and frozen for a long period of time. Which is why Brann calls them his dwarf brothers or perhaps dwarf ancestors. It's not clear if the Frost Dwarves represent the appearance of Dwarves sometime in their evolution, or if they evolved into Frostborn after their migration to become a separate race from the Dwarven ancestors.

[@theanimeandgameguy2305]

This guy just stopped uploading. I wish he was still doing KZbin.

[@Oathbreaker.]

Curse of flesh is From N'zoth though

[@francisroberts8031]

Didn't we battle C'thun in this prison?

[@NikGushue]

No, he was in the Temple of Ahn'Quiraj

[@Arkantos1900]

So Yogg Saron is based on Yog-Sothoth, an omniscient being. However Yogg looks like more Omnipotent and Omniscient

[@LoreWhore]

+Arkantos1900 They seem fairly different in depiction. I think Blizz probably chose to name Yoggy after Yog-Sothoth because of the similarity to the "At the Mountains of Madness" novella. It reads somewhat similar to Storm Peaks and Ulduar, and finding Yoggy beneath the ruins. That's my two cents anyway. :D

[@LoreWhore]

+Arkantos1900 They seem fairly different in depiction. I think Blizz probably chose to name Yoggy after Yog-Sothoth because of the similarity to the "At the Mountains of Madness" novella. It reads somewhat similar to Storm Peaks and Ulduar, and finding Yoggy beneath the ruins. That's my two cents anyway. :D

[@nono9543]

Yog Sothoth is on a whole other level. Let's not get too crazy here. I think it's just mainly the name-sake.

[@TheOpeeGamer]

NICE

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Holy shit I love those first quotes. I fucking love how scary and powerful some of this game is the Old Gods are my favourite and I've been heavily influenced by them to create them for my manga anime series called Rainbow for season six and they are the main holders of the entire Multiverse and the most powerful atheroity of the Multiverse more so than Michael Arkhangleisk himself and even more powerful than Heaven but God locked them always deep in the Multiverse so that nothing could attain them and they would not be a threat to apeverything and in my anime there are more like ten of them because they are their own race of being that not even God knew about and they ran rampant on the young Multiverse before Michael Arkhangleisk and his Angels held them back and God locked them away so now in the deepest and darkest parts of the Multiverse a single line girl Half Human Hafl Deamon and with the Sword Of Michael Arkhangleisk she has to find a way to get them to comply with her and to somehow revive the girl that she loved that died inside another realm called The Realm Of Infinite Darkness created by God himself to outdo Hell created by Lucifer and now God Hell is used for Gods and Goddess to make them suffer for eternity and the realm is black, blood red and yellow and everything glows blood red. And the sounds of Nonagintillions of gods and goddesses screaming in suffering and pain echo through that realm.

[@Kickstand-pj6oq]

Death Of The Endless bro. what the fuck are you even talking about?

[@Dapeesh1992]

There was 123 comments before mine

[@LoktarOgar69420]

the way he say N-zoth sounded like a racial slur🤣

[@zylothecat7449]

what??? the norse gods are the titans in the game??? seriously?

[@LoreWhore]

+Zylo Thecat Sort of. Loken, Thorim, and the others were Titanic watchers created by the Titans to watch over Azeroth in their absence. When Sargeras "killed" the Titans though, their detatched spirits fled to Azeroth where they embedded themselves in the watchers. So the watchers don't have the personalities of the Titans, but they do have what remains of their power.

[@zylothecat7449]

Lore Whore are the titans from the planet of argus? you know where the draeneis are from? and how are the 'old' gods different from the regular gods and goddesses like elune. or something like naaru that the draeneis worship. and don't tell me they are just gods who are old!

[@mrlappentv9773]

+Zylo Thecat Elune is not a god

[@zylothecat7449]

***** fine she is a goddess...move along.

[@SDDranzer]

How am I supposed to trust that, when 30 seconds into the video he is already giving false information. Dislike from me. Y'shaarj was killed not by mogu constructs, but by the first titan himself (forgot the name, think it was Aman Thul).

[@LoreWhore]

Info released in the Chronicle a year after the video was made. Just wanna put that out there.

[@madeinheavun]

Ha, discovering it's taint

[@themaddeningsoundkrisadams941]

To A Better Prisons.

[@pauldeleon8888]

Lol “N” Zoth...it’s pronounced Nehzoth!