The OLDEST websites EVER 👩‍💻

[@abhishekjadhav8319]

It's mobile responsive 😂

[@CZghost]

Well, your web is automatically mobile responsive if it doesn't have a stylesheet :D

[@nobbyfirefly57]

@@CZghostwhat’s a stylesheet?

[@BrunoMussoi]

@@nobbyfirefly57code to beautify the page (colors, sizes, etc...) instead of leaving it as pure text

[@VOID_4487]

​@@nobbyfirefly57a stylesheet is used to improve the visuals of html and ejs. Common stylesheet extensions are .css and .scss

[@loreenzo2120]

@@nobbyfirefly57basically the design. There’s this thing you use with HTML called CSS. CSS affects the design so like the color the font size what images can be shown hence, the name Cascading Style Sheet. It isn’t that complicated imo. It’s fun to play around with considering I’m dogwater at Java script.

[@cee4985]

And they don't implement cookies 🙂

[@paskky913]

Cookies are the things that automatically log you in so you don't need to retype your password every time. Some cookies are good.

[@ExodiumTM]

​@@paskky913 pretty sure that ain't safe...

[@fantik86]

​@@ExodiumTMonly if someone steal your cookies

[@paskky913]

@@ExodiumTM It's impressive how you're "pretty sure" while simultaneously know nothing about how that works. The cookie stores a session key generated ad-hoc and stored by the server and it will have an expiry date. Non cross-site cookies are inaccessible by any other website besides the ones that generated it. This key can be rendered invalid remotely if needed and it decays once you log out. The only way you can get hacked with it is if you already have RAT (Remote Access Trojan - a kind of virus) in your pc or literally share the key yourself somehow. A RAT will have full control on the target machine so that's obvious it can steal everything on it. Avoiding viruses is trivial nowadays.

[@Gameplayer55055]

​@@ExodiumTMdepends on the app developer. If it has cookies, with many not so complex security measures like JWT, CORS, HTTPS, HSTS, and ip address check it's 100% safe However beware of browser password auto fill. It isn't encrypted and stored plaintext in a directory anyone can access

[@oltro15]

“Over time it has evolved and this is what it looks like now” 👴🏻->👴🏻

[@lorenzrosenthal119]

I was blown-away by the redesign! So old-school 😲

[@SiPakRubah]

Maybe the guy who runs the sites just stops caring about it for another years

[@flowinsounds]

maybe the old school look is the brand@@SiPakRubah

[@joshuacurtis2591]

More like 😀->😃

[@Klutech]

If you update something old a heck of a long time ago.... it's still gonna be old.

[@asperganoid]

I miss the old internet. I used to read and read and read like crazy before I had access to much books.

[@ferrumignis]

Me too, was a really exciting time to be alive.

[@ventiankraus980]

I still read like crazy but the mess you have to wade through is insane nowadays. I remember a teacher saying there's no such thing as a dumb question, but that was stated before web 2.0.

[@ventiankraus980]

@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 Mostly nostalgia paired with rose colored glasses tbh. I'm probably happier (on scale) now than I've ever been, but I like to look back on the good things from back when.

[@ferrumignis]

@@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 _"Wtf are people so OBSESSED with the past"_ Wtf do you not understand the difference between NOSTALGIA and obsession?

[@ventiankraus980]

@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 I understand that. It's definitely to be taken in moderation. Best to learn from the past, not live in it.

[@thehowerd8634]

Honestly these need to be kept around just for the sheer historic/nostalgic value

[@strykertron232]

probs would have an entry in the Library of Congress at least.

[@CodingWithLewis]

When Dreamweaver is new technology, that’s how you know it’s old.

[@souryasoni2050]

Sir I need your help Can we talk

[@cedrictheveneau9141]

my manager told me about DreamWeaver a week ago, it felt like I got back to Stone Age, and I’m a dude who still codes his newsletters by hand !

[@birsingh5388]

​@@ElectricRainbowCloudssame here

[@DMC888]

I’d completely forgotten about Dreamweaver, and I used it a lot. Strange because all you needed back then was notepad.

[@vasiovasio]

I was team FrontPage back then! 😊😊😊

[@yellowjackboots2624]

Megadeath were the first musical artists to have an official website

[@freakazoid4691]

*Megadeth

[@yellowjackboots2624]

@@freakazoid4691 DOH!

[@evlkenevl2721]

So... Mustaine went big brain and got on the fast train to obtain a domain? That what you sayin'?

[@yellowjackboots2624]

@@evlkenevl2721 🤯

[@gustavocortico1681]

The old internet, so earnest and unfiltered. Felt like wilderness.

[@AgentSmith911]

Sometimes I just miss the 90s, so I can just turn on some 90s music and visit these websites 😂

[@walterbrunswick]

What's stopping you from doing this now?

[@angharadhafod]

An actual web site from the 1980s That's pretty cool, considering the web and HTML1 wasn't invented until 1991. Whoever made those pages needs to be employed as a futurist now.

[@leiilo]

😂😂 Fr

[@larsjonasson2959]

Before HTML there were GML (IBM), SGML (CERN) and HyperMedia (Apple). Each with their own browser.

[@angharadhafod]

@@larsjonasson2959 Fun fact: The term "web site" was first used in 1993 (2 years after its "invention"), and used in the context of the WWW.

[@MichaelEricMenk]

​@@larsjonasson2959HTML is SGML.

[@mitchyoung93]

​@@larsjonasson2959No one ever called s hypercard deck a 'website'

[@punstress]

Using tables was the second strategy I learned. The first was using a 1-pixel transparent GIF and resizing it so, for example, you could indent text or insert space between sections.

[@nickfifteen]

Oh MAN I remember using 1x1 "pixel.gif" files! Back when "width = 10px" didn't always equal ten pixels, and you had to force it.

[@danbo967]

tables are still commonly used its just that they are often heavily stylized with CSS.

[@Gameplayer55055]

Btw how would you center div without flex, transform or margin auto

[@robbirobson7330]

@@Gameplayer55055 with percentage

[@nickfifteen]

@@Gameplayer55055 Center tag, or align=center .... it took me YEARS to deprogram myself from that.

[@georgehelyar]

Fun fact, if you want to write html for emails you still need to use tables. In fact only a small subset of html 4 works at all in non-browser email clients like outlook. Think maybe it's because outlook uses IE? Wrong, it's because outlook uses word as it's html engine. Also things like Gmail remove style tags so all styles need to be inline, and pretty much every span needs to repeat all its font styles. I work at a company that processes 100m emails a day and this is my personal hell.

[@djperryboy]

IE is a browser.

[@MisterRod]

@@djperryboy I believe he meant IE's rendering engine, Trident. But yeah, Outlook uses WORD's engine lol Literal hell.

[@thehandleiwantedwasntavailable]

NSA?

[@SteveDonaldson-r5k]

If you've eaten military ration packs, sporks become important.

[@BuruKyu]

im not solid snake

[@mazzysmainframe]

@@BuruKyu Well, whose fault is that?

[@muskreality]

HTML can truly stand the test of time

[@DeeegerD]

And ruined the internet by letting dolts use it. I liked it much better before browsers.

[@residentgrey]

​@@DeeegerDNope, that is what makes it shine! Without those "dolts" the net would be only in niche places.

[@Leipaa]

​@@DeeegerDI think the Internet was better when it was clay tablets and pictograms. These stupid alphabets allow any moron to read and write, cringe.

[@gauthamnair6075]

Rip

[@Leonard_MT]

​@@gauthamnair6075Agreed when used properly (it almost never was) it was extremely useful.

[@artrix909]

"based in california" *zoom on hawaii intensifies*

[@Hell.Kaiser]

This got me. I thought "Hello World" would be the first one

[@murilovsilva]

Old times website give off such nostalgic vibes

[@TheTechAdmin]

I remember visiting the milk website and reading his statement about how he will only accept email offers in the 10's of millions. So i emailed him and said, "You should never make public your sale price, when it's more than a Platinum grade ( $100,000 ) hitman. This isn't a threat, it's advice."

[@_hepl]

"its mobile responsive" got me super bad 😂

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Ah, back when websites actually had good aesthetics instead of being “postmodern” garbage

[@Rishi2015]

I want to go back to 2013

[@ComputerBoyTheEntertainer]

same bro.

[@cgbreeki849]

YES, PLEASE LET ME RETURN I WAS HAPPY AND HAD NO IDEA Absolutely AMAZING times man, seriously. You just summed up my best dreams and wishes.

[@konrad7086]

2013 internet sucked

[@kapandi7763]

Someone is beating the time despite this oldnesses 😮

[@elkabong6429]

1987 is when I first went online and I haven’t stopped since! My first log-in was with a group called “ECHO” which stands for East Coast Hang Out; based in New York City, originating at NY University computer studies dept (don’t recall exactly). After that I joined Compuserve and then AOL. It’s been quite a ride!

[@sodakk17]

Berkshire Hathaway isn't that old, but it still maintains a very retro look.

[@adawg3032]

facts, i love the retro look, reminds you of when your flash plugin for your browser stops working and all the stuff is in HTML

[@krashd]

Is that Anne's dad?

[@cc_snipergirl]

My family owns a domain that my dad bought in the 90s. We used it as a family blog until social media came around

[@laus9953]

interesting. I thought they were still "free" to obtain then, and nothing was commercial on the Internet back then

[@cc_snipergirl]

@@laus9953 Honestly could be the case. The domain is older than I am

[@flowinsounds]

you've always had to pay for domains@@laus9953

[@kasrakh86]

Do you guys still have the site? If so, have you tried doing other things with it?

[@cc_snipergirl]

@@kasrakh86 I've actually considered reviving it myself. It's still up technically, but hasn't been used in over a decade. I'm taking some pretty intense college classes right now, but will probably pick it back up in the summer. We have a very big family with a lot of history, and I think it would be nice to preserve that somewhere.

[@carminone]

The old web was so exciting.

[@MyCodingDiary]

I always look forward to your videos. They're both educational and entertaining!

[@SomeDudeInBaltimore]

It's crazy to think none of this existed when I was born and now there are adults with children of their own who are younger than some of these websites.

[@zacharysherry2910]

Yeah it's really weird to tell my son (aren't I still a kid?) that the internet didn't exist and neither did "phones" as they do now.

[@matthiaslastname9019]

I tell my son I'm older than Google. He thinks I'm joking.

[@colevilleproductions]

“the most basic website” about:blank has entered the chat

[@Tilde_Shii]

I knew nothing about about:blank and honestly was thoroughly disappointed it wasn't just a white page with only the word "blank" on it.

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

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[@colevilleproductions]

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[@BlazeYT_]

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[@pimphatwaggoner1655]

that's not a website zoomer

[@blaircox1589]

So April 30, 1993, was when the "Internet" became available to the general public. So how can you have business "websites" before then? Anything that came before would have been BBS-related and not true sites as related to the WWW.

[@chrisharshman5838]

I'm amused the computer they picture in this video is an old IBM PC Jr. It's older than any of these websites, from the mid 1980's.

[@netdragon256]

There were older html websites on BBS's but those probably don't exist anymore. These were all really SGML too before 1993.

[@kenrehor]

Hey @codingwithlewis maybe just try doing the most basic of research to understand the actual history of the web, plus the difference between a domain name and a website.

[@starstheengine]

Berkshire Hathaway's website iirc has been last updated in 1997 and hasn't changed since. Edit: The sad part is it's not responsive.

[@khabeesschool9919]

I know how to make websites responsive but I don't know to connect them to the databases

[@ChristopherSibert]

As a web developer who started in the 1990s, yes, all websites used to be made with tables. 'Twas a simpler time...

[@willcook1530]

The little milk figure guy looks like one of the graphics from the original Lollapalooza.

[@jomitoh5111]

I appreciate this. I find it increasingly hard to find older sites, their all being bought. People need to be more original cuz I'm about tired of the same thing from now on..

[@truth-12345.]

Wow! Space Jam actually still existed.

[@askjeevescosby2928]

No it's gone. Its now a modern site for the stupid new movie with LeBron James. I was pissed when they did it.

[@redsynister4836]

​@askjeevescosby2928 no, it's still there. I was just on it a minute ago. Just dig a little deeper.

[@Will-on4om]

This make me wonder if all the random free websites I made back in the late 90s are still active. Had page counters and flash games and what not. Guess there is no way of knowing anymore 😢

[@AlfredoAntonioMartinez]

Only some bunch of my fellas will understand the hype that we feel when we read ALOT of a web and then see a blue word that means A LINK to another page XD

[@UkeCan1]

"Hype" 😂

[@LiqdPT]

The web wasn't invented until 1989, so no website can exist from before that. It wasn't open to the public until 1991, so anything commercial before that likely is BS. And all of that was text only. First graphical web browser was NCSA Mosaic and I'm pretty sure that was 1994. Anything with an image can't be before that.

[@cshairydude]

The web didn't exist in the 1980s. CERN's website was the first. Don't make the mistake of confusing "web" with "internet". There were internet services before the web.

[@mine4me403]

If you remember these, you were the computer geek in school 😂

[@Chronically_JBoo]

Don't think I could ever be smart enough to code. Kuddos. I still enjoy your videos

[@bluesquare23]

Its easy and you should try it sometime

[@jordanw8382]

The Government of Canada website is almost as ancient as these.

[@babyshark8022]

I would like to watch a full length video of this!

[@BeachcomberNZ]

Microsoft Frontpage, for the win!

[@TonyHamlyn]

I only had frontpage express on my windows 95 machine :)

[@SPDATA1]

I started some programming learning skills on a LUXOR 🔤 in 1983. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪.

[@DoggyLoverPlays]

im watching this while waiting for a web browser to download on windows xp

[@DeeegerD]

These kids think the internet started with web pages 😂😅

[@DwightLivesMatter]

Ikr lol

[@thornback5641]

Also if they talking websites Hampster Dance should be included with a honorable mention its been going since 98 unchanged.

[@sirllamaiii9708]

Doesn't mention BBS or IRC or anything like that. Sad!

[@deus_ex_machina_]

​@@sirllamaiii9708Read the title.

[@sirllamaiii9708]

@@deus_ex_machina_ I don't care about what's right or applicable to the context. I just want to feel like I'm in the know.

[@berczigabor]

All websites were originally mobile responsive, as basic HTML used all dynamic layouts. Then came fixed with tables, and that's when we lost responsivity, until it returned in the late 2000s and beyond.

[@SimonClarkstone]

How could those oldest websites have been websites before the invention HTTP, HTML, and URLs? Or were they something else first and later became websites?

[@stevebabiak6997]

The earliest website technology was developed at two places in the very early 1990s: CERN in Europe and the University of Illinois at Urbana Champlain. Nuclear physics was being exchanged between those two. They each wrote their own web server software, the one from the USA evolved into the web server software known as Apache.

[@knightcrusader]

I think he's gotten some things confused in his video. I believe the domains existed, but they were using other protocols like gopher, and then after HTTP/HTML came on the scene they moved to that while keeping the same domain names.

[@Sayurjoel]

Caine Farber really has a weird logo , makes you wonder what it's really about.

[@wesleycoder]

Would love to see a deeper dive on these "ancient" websites. I mean, I do know about the tech and its history, but would be nice to have a comprehensive video material to refer for my younger colleagues who missed this content when learning web development.

[@kaksoispistev5403]

This is wrong . The oldest website is actually Oracle website for java

[@CodingWithLewis]

That's why it runs on billions of devices 🤯

[@privy15]

Not sure if sarcastic, but HTML/WWW was invented at CERN...

[@mcnugget3851]

@@privy15the joke is that oracles website is extremely outdated

[@_drivEN_]

​@mcnugget3851 I think they updated it last year

[@tawonat7]

​@@_drivEN_they updated it now its only outdated by a decade

[@jayanspaliwal5907]

Imagine finding the oldest website and the joy of it being mobile responsive 😌

[@rekunta]

When the Internet rose to prominence, priorities were addressed. First and foremost: the mysteries of the Spork!

[@theghost9362]

Goooood old times

[@TheFitzy93]

I think his uncle’s webpage is still up there.. baby Jesus came back for that one

[@tahaobaid3711]

Me...

[@knightcrusader]

That's really interesting... websites existed in the 80's when HTML WAS INVENTED IN 1993?

[@D0Samp]

DNS and the first domain names existed since 1985. The website literally says they only set up a web server because people expect that every active domain has a website, they only seem to use it for email otherwise. Its last-modified date is December 2014, likely from its last server migration.

[@freddjie3097]

There’s another called Betty Lou Music. It started in the late 90’s, and is still up

[@Stonmann]

I wish you mentioned Newgrounds from 1995! In all fairness it doesn’t look anything like it did back then, but it sticks from all of these by having a decently large user base.

[@ak47marx16]

Man I remember that feeling as a kid going online around 96-97 in baltic states. It was something you needed to prepare for each time. And once online you hurry, because phone line was busy and money was ticking, What a time it was.

[@NAY2GAS]

Unfortunately I learned to code HTML in 1996 and my website looks like it. LOL 😂

[@JennTN411]

Remember the commercials that used to air in the 90s?? 'Can you read a book from a library on the other side of the world? You will.' I'm having some flashbacks with this short! 😮😮

[@balthasar6091]

Ah yes, Sporks. The greatest invention in human history, right after the flamethrower, which has been proven to be the greatest invention right after the AMC Gremlin.

[@ulrikof.2486]

Afaik, before the end of 1991 there was no html and no browsers in the internet, thus, any claim for oldest websites from the 1980s can't possibly be true, right?

[@krashd]

Correct.

[@rogerlimoseth4790]

I seriously miss the old web no pop ups, redirects or constant advertisements.

[@lucasljorge]

The most curious is that the last two websites are from IT companies

[@jamesmcinnis208]

He said "literally," so I'm convinced.

[@HappyQuailsLC]

I wish you would create a channel dedicated to these relics

[@Trusteft]

How can anyone claim they had websites before the www was established?

[@tymongajewski2816]

Info-cern is really likely to be the first, since the internet tliterally started at CERN, Switzerland

[@CanadianArchaeologist]

I remember we got a computer in grade 7. He was installing the internet, whatever that was. This was 1986-87. Our teacher was setting a bunch of ones and zeros to get it to work. It seemed overly complicated. We had computer class in high-school but it was optional and looked boring. I never took it but when windows xp was still awesome I got a 40gb dell 😂. My first taste of real internet. Hello limewire.

[@Vesta32]

if you don't use any css additionally it is still responsive 😂

[@PIasmaZombie]

its so nostalgic, amazing and wonderful. for information technology with so much changes in so short time that is extraordinary that websites would last for more than a quarter century.

[@meze2095]

that one dev making 2m/y maintaining this site and cannot retire for eternety, imagine a 30yo systel hf maintaining

[@spencer5028]

Like the Voyager programmed in fortran

[@motivefactoryy]

The Era that internet had only useful & valuable information..

[@eternalmastery]

Somewhere my Bebo account is still floating.

[@amyv5198]

I remember "save karen" and "million dollar homepage" (don't know if they still exist !)

[@adamstuartclark]

The website I designed for my old work is still up from 2003. Tables, floats, all the classics techniques.

[@Tigoda1985]

spacejam is gone, has been since the new film came out

[@bluboyd3637]

This has that 2000s alternative music vibe🥰

[@equesdeventusoccasus]

The Wall Street journal had a BBS back in 1985 for certain. I'm not sure how long before that it may have had that site. If they converted their BBS into a website in 1992, that surely would make them one of the oldest sites around.

[@CG-tg5wx]

Heavens Gate's website is still up. Its from the 90s and the contact email is still active

[@sobanahmed2012]

Maybe a time will come when people will discuss that what people in 2024 felt about technology of 1980s..... This time will become a vintage protocol too...... after some time ❤

[@lancecombes]

The internet goes back farther in time than the World Wide Web which works on, but is a separate thing from the internet, the Web was invented in '93 and yes, the cern site is in fact the oldest website. Internet. World Wide Web. These are not synonyms.

[@maddogcharm]

How is there a website from 1986? The first website ever was from August 1991…?

[@xl000]

And none of them is implementing the parallax scrolling or whatever HTML trend exists right now

[@greenaum]

1986? There weren't any websites in the 1980s.

[@Slithermotion]

Cern doesn‘t claim it, how can it not be the first webpage when the WWW(not the internet) was invented there?

[@seditiouswalrus]

_"Not a spoon, not a fork, but something in between, A FPOON!"_

[@Mateo-et3wl]

I remember the old web! I got on in 1994. And before that, endless fun on BBSs in the 80s with dreams of being a sysop

[@SierraYankee7]

Ahh yes.. lets skip over Heaven's Gate cult website.

[@pinetree7296]

Early days of the webs was like the wild west.

[@safebox36]

the Space Jam website doesn't count anymore as it's no longer at its original host nor is it even the original code it was updated for modern browsers and now sits in a subdomain of the Space Jam 2 website

[@bumponlog]

Who remembers the original Matrix site from around 1998? Shit was cool as hell.

[@PopeLando]

I still use tables... because they work across the board.

[@RipperTips]

The heavens gate site is still up and thats a good thing because that shot shouldnt be forgotten