The One Kick Drum Technique That Will Solve (most of) Your Problems

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The 80/20 Drummer

The 80/20 Drummer

Күн бұрын

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@sadaharu_tr
@sadaharu_tr 3 жыл бұрын
Naah, i still got divorced.
@Boyitellyouhwhat
@Boyitellyouhwhat 4 ай бұрын
Lol
@jhamler1
@jhamler1 3 жыл бұрын
I love how there's a whole drumming community on KZbin that I'm addicted to. I'm sure guitarists and singers and plumbers have their own community, too, but... Ain't nobody got time for that.
@mark52111
@mark52111 2 жыл бұрын
excellent video. there is no shortcut to developing good kick drum chops.
@bloodmoney88
@bloodmoney88 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your show, good stuff. I've always played this way, I thought about putting my heel down, tried it but hated it compared to what you're showing. I can't work out how people get any speed at all heel down, I'll easily concede my experience will of course not likely be many others experience.
@julioortuzarmunoz13
@julioortuzarmunoz13 3 жыл бұрын
Thank great teacher!!! You are my inspiration, and a great musician!!!!
@ddrum1090
@ddrum1090 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact! Tomas had to change his technique when learning that song to playing lighter on the kick w/ more ankles for better accuracy and endurance. On the other songs, he sticks with his full, hammered in, bury the beater approach.
@jonhattanrai
@jonhattanrai 3 жыл бұрын
I use heel down for quiet notes and for releasing the beater and I use heel up moving the entire leg from the hip, the knee, the ankle and the toes, just like with the hands, for the louder notes.
@legacyShredder1
@legacyShredder1 3 жыл бұрын
3 leverage points, not just 2; Ankle, hip, knee/thigh (forwards and backwards motion in relation to the foot and the front and back of the kick plate.)
@greganderson3096
@greganderson3096 3 жыл бұрын
Great video again. I really appreciate what you are doing on your channel. I've learned a ton from them even though I play bass not drums. I have a small nit-picky suggestion. Feel free to ignore it obviously. When you speak into your stereo XY mic at close range if you move just a bit from side to side your voice moves around wildly in the stereo space, especially if wearing headphones. Maybe don't pan the two signals so widely for that mic. Other than that keep up the good work.
@jpiadasa
@jpiadasa 10 ай бұрын
Wait so is your spring tension high or low? I’m confused haha
@axeman3d
@axeman3d 3 жыл бұрын
I thought this was Tony Shalhoub's alien gun dealer from the first MiB film. Nice to see him branching out.
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
Why would you criticize another youtuber like that?
@CC-Rider
@CC-Rider 3 жыл бұрын
His brain never ever shuts down. Even when he is allegedly asleep, it is WFO..... LMAO
@niklasschlagzeugw.9987
@niklasschlagzeugw.9987 3 жыл бұрын
And how do I transport it?
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
My point is once your technique is good you won't need to because you can use pretty much any pedal
@j.wat.3437
@j.wat.3437 3 жыл бұрын
Ankle pain?
@bmandrews81
@bmandrews81 3 жыл бұрын
not on topic but what size sticks do you use and why?
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
I use 5Bs for amplified music and vater new orleans jazz sticks for jazz
@rabidwookie606
@rabidwookie606 3 жыл бұрын
Never leave the kick pedal at the practice space.
@ryoichiwatanabe648
@ryoichiwatanabe648 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my.., u listen to meshuggah!! :"D
@Ian_P
@Ian_P 3 жыл бұрын
The term you use; "playing clean" is the greatest lesson you've taught me. I've grown and developed so much because of that. Perfect sync(opation) of limbs, *clean"... All my practice revolves around this. I always had heard but never "got it" until you said that word and expanded on it. Thank you.
@stkittsdave1
@stkittsdave1 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, until I started recording my practices I didn’t realize how bad I was. Now I’m mediocre and I couldn’t be happier.
@janetremsing6988
@janetremsing6988 3 жыл бұрын
Steve Gadd is the master at playing clean (& tasty!)! ALWAYS MUSICAL!! 👍🙂
@janetremsing6988
@janetremsing6988 3 жыл бұрын
@@stkittsdave1 😂
@yahhteebockity
@yahhteebockity 3 жыл бұрын
There's an 80/20 drinking game? Tell me more!
@rasm0225
@rasm0225 3 жыл бұрын
This needs to happen. Next survey post.
@rodneyvandenoever
@rodneyvandenoever 3 жыл бұрын
4 beers, 1 water, repeat?
@drummermomcjs
@drummermomcjs 3 жыл бұрын
I have played drums for over 42 yrs and played heel down all those years. I was self-taught and it was all I knew. Recently I watched a video on foot technique and it was suggested that all drummers learn both. The explanation of the heel-up technique was the best I have seen and it made sense to me. So over the next few weeks, I started using heal up technique and it felt really awkward at first. I have some exercises that I do each morning and I forced myself to play heel up and day by day it became more comfortable. It has been about a month now and I am starting to use it in my impromptu playing as well. I have noticed difference in my pedal skill already. I am getting more comfortable at getting my pedals more into my playing. So, while I am still in the process of developing this skill, and I came a bit late to the party, nonetheless I am getting it and it is already improving my skill as a drummer overall..
@markblanch2905
@markblanch2905 2 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4vblJ-cq812gM0
@RexyFan
@RexyFan 2 жыл бұрын
You and me both. I’m self taught and my foot pedal control sucks. I’m here to improve. Day 1…. Wish me luck.
@drummermomcjs
@drummermomcjs 2 жыл бұрын
@@RexyFan Consistent daily practice is key so I shall be excited to hear of your progress in the future. May your work bring much improvement.
@koopalovetoast2409
@koopalovetoast2409 2 жыл бұрын
I have been drumming heel down for 10 years and I struggle a lot with any speed in the pedal.. So now I wanna learn as well.. Is there an update on you btw?
@drummermomcjs
@drummermomcjs 2 жыл бұрын
@@koopalovetoast2409 Actually Yes. I have gotten more comfortable with heel up playing after doing bass drum exercises every morning for 30 minutes. I use heel up in certian playing situations and still play heel down much of the time. I have been learning how to rock my foot back and forth between the ball and heel on my hat pedal as well and it has been getting more confortable as well. :-) Slow steacy steps is the sure way to see lasting improvement for sure.
@adamnealon773
@adamnealon773 3 жыл бұрын
I had heard of that third kick exercise pattern from a drumeo masterclass and ended up writing a whole song around it
@VouVouVou_music
@VouVouVou_music 3 жыл бұрын
"Samsonite....I was way off"
@Xogroroth666
@Xogroroth666 Жыл бұрын
Wait, what? "There all the same issue: technique." Prove that. 1) place the beater at 4cm from the drum head. 2) Put the spring tension all the way ... or ... naaah,. skip that, remove the spring all together, it's technique, right? Have just these 2 combined, or even by themselves, and now do a 60 second single kick 300 bpm. Like you said: It is all mere technique. Rite?
@markkuliini
@markkuliini 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm...playing multiple strokes, off the drum with soft dynamics with heel up is REALLY difficult. And I think it's unnecessary difficult. At 7:00 mark there's a good example of how the body still wants to lean forward and instead of doubles you often get an accidental, third stroke in the end, making it sound sloppy. Sloppy is fine, if it's intentional, but those would be MUCH easier to execute by playing heel down. Then, when you add the left foot, playing up and down, this will become even more difficult to execute, since one of your balance points gets compromised. To me playing off the drum at that dynamic with heel down just seems way too complicated. Why stick with heel up at all dynamics? I mean, you change the technique anyway when you change from soft to loud (playing off the head and then burying the beater). I mostly play heel up, but I personally would never use it on all situations.
@markblanch2905
@markblanch2905 2 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4vblJ-cq812gM0 Maybe
@scottchristie
@scottchristie 2 жыл бұрын
did someone say accidental? kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIXElpJun5KHipo
@doublestrokeroll
@doublestrokeroll 2 жыл бұрын
I had a teacher who insisted that I play heal down when learning but all the drummers I liked were heal up players so I also learned that way too. Now I do both. Somethings feel better heal down and somethings feel better heal up. Just depends on what I want. But, I think drummers who starting out should probably try to play heel down for one important reason. Not burying the beater. Heal up can cause many people to bury the beater against the head. I know may will say that's OK to do, but it's at best limiting and more probably just simply bad technique. Like not being able to bounce a stick. Complete beater control should be the goal so you can do whatever you want when needed. Heel down is much much easier to control the beater and learn to bounce it. Once you have that feeling it's easier to apply it to heal up. Tommy Igoe said something to effect of "If you're burying the beater because that's the effect you want then fine, but if you're burying the beater because you don't know HOW to bounce it?....well...." that's just bad technique.
@zagadape109
@zagadape109 3 жыл бұрын
9:23 - what a snare sound! Pozdro666
@caffeineadvocate
@caffeineadvocate 3 жыл бұрын
When talking foot dynamics, I find it helpful to try and keep the dynamic of the ride constant instead of matching the BD.
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
So do I! That's what I was trying to do, even if I was failing 🤣
@professoralexburnerofstone
@professoralexburnerofstone 3 жыл бұрын
God I was literally thinking about how I needed a kick practice regiment yesterday, bless
@DZNTZ
@DZNTZ 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t seem to feel relaxed with heel up... I feel like I’m like holding my leg up and it feels terrible. When I try to relax, the beater wants to rest on the batter head. What’s the deal? Do I need to tighten the crap out of my pedal to feel ‘at rest’ with my heel up? I feel balanced, and I can definitely play dynamically, but one thing that I struggle with playing heel down is ninja fast doubles and triplets.
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
Couple of thoughts - first, as I mention in the video, the need to use hip flexors to hold your heel up means you're doing something wrong. I'd look for the spot on the footboard where you can do a very gentle "calf raise" (essentially retracting your heel from the ground using the calf muscle, with the ankle as the pivot point), without the beater resting on the head. Like riding a bike, once you get the pedal in motion this should be less of an issue. (Before you even do that, I'd recommend just sitting in a regular chair at home and retracting your feet under you so that you're resting your weight on the balls of your feet and your heels are off the ground, so you can get the feeling. If you're doing it right, it should feel like no effort at all.) But 10000 foot view, it sounds like you're trying to keep the ball of your foot too far forward on the footboard.
@DZNTZ
@DZNTZ 3 жыл бұрын
@@8020drummer Thanks man, I truly appreciate the detailed and thoughtful response. This is why I will always love you. And you’ll always be my bodyguard.
@camerontaylor1255
@camerontaylor1255 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ! I'm a guitar player but like to play some drums for fun. (I'm a complete hack :) ) I had 2 problems with kick pedal - loss of balance and accidental ghost notes. I feel like such a newbie 'cause my major take-away from this was "You can adjust the pedal tension?!" playing around with this for two minutes fixed those problems.. I learn heaps from your channel and appreciate the no nonsense delivery of useful information.
@Frenkel111
@Frenkel111 2 жыл бұрын
Lol I'm also a guitar player and just started the drums for fun, and what I got from this video is also the spring tension adjustment 😆
@reh331
@reh331 3 жыл бұрын
Great lesson as always, Nate. You spoke of imbalance on the throne with heel-down, which I found oddly interesting as the heel down establishes an anchor point. I've always found it very difficult to find balance when playing heel-up patterns while riding and playing HH patterns with my LF. Core strength issue? (yet I've seen some pretty out of shape player doing heel up on both feet just fine)
@drummer7tama
@drummer7tama Жыл бұрын
I have the same problem. I feel as though I'm going to topple over playing heel up.
@rrparker12
@rrparker12 3 жыл бұрын
I must admit that I have trouble following when you start getting all esoteric about Time. I'm not great, I'm not jazz. But it absolutely boggles my mind that people have to be told how to swing their own limbs about. Start playing a suitcase kit, Nate! That Samsonite sponsorship will happen.
@aaronmaughan7453
@aaronmaughan7453 3 жыл бұрын
Dave Elitch is your man. He teaches all of this in detail
@jabezscratch
@jabezscratch 3 жыл бұрын
Good video with some nice insights about an important topic for drummers. Heel up or down seems to be equivalent to the traditional vs. matched grip debate: no easy or perhaps right answer, only what is right for each individual drummer. For me, heel up seems to feel more natural and ergonomic. Heel down has always felt awkward and unnatural. I just remember Dave Weckl saying that he sits on the very edge of the drum seat to get the most torque and flexibility in playing the bass pedal(s).
@Ian_P
@Ian_P 3 жыл бұрын
Nate... I gave you money for your course and I'm happy to do so. Why do I mention this? A. It's videos like this, (and others) that matter to invested drum set players. Thanks man. 👍🙂🥁
@jimmiranda7181
@jimmiranda7181 4 күн бұрын
Been playing percussion since 1981 (congas, timbal, bongos, etc. I haven't sat behind a kit in almost 40 years. To mix things up a bit I put together a suitcase kit for the drummers that play at my home studio. Man, am I rusty behind the kit. The first thing to go is the coordination between the feet and hands. I found your channel a few years ago and have been a subscriber ever since knowing that one day I would pick it up again. Your content and page offer everything for every skill level. Clear and concise instruction with a step-by-step on "how to" and "why' with proven results. No more four on the floor for every song for me anymore.
@tomclain1952
@tomclain1952 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the lesson! It's the first time I'm on this channel. And I can't help thinking I've just watched Homer Simpson. In a good way.
@eligeruschat6567
@eligeruschat6567 3 жыл бұрын
3:51
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
Yea, smoother on the drums than in real life, it turns out 😳
@blakenunndrums
@blakenunndrums 3 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal video! Developing that foot control can take some work! Heel up, all the way. Thanks for the lesson! Happy drumming, everybody!
@oskirp
@oskirp 2 жыл бұрын
At 8:00 it's not triplets, but two 16ths and an 8th, isn't it?
@juliojauregui8839
@juliojauregui8839 Жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly. Those are not triplets.
@aaronbones4290
@aaronbones4290 Жыл бұрын
The hip usage works everywhere Even in martial arts... Use hip and baaaaaam a blast of power.. using the weight as an advantage ❤️❤️ I've seen jojo talked about it on a video too about using the hip
@Turbulator
@Turbulator 3 жыл бұрын
What are you actually saying about the spring tension? It's not very clear in this video.
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
That it mostly doesn't matter and that the proper technique is adaptive to a range or spring tensions.
@Turbulator
@Turbulator 3 жыл бұрын
@@8020drummer Obviously, if you remove the spring entirely you won't be to play the kick at all - it plays a role. You must have a personal preference for tension. Playing heel down, I like fairly high tension and (I don't rest heavily on my heel) I use it to kind of balance through the ball of my foot in the mid swing position. Too heavy on the heel or too light on the spring makes faster stuff too difficult. I have tried heel up occasionally, but inspired by this video I'm now having a more solid crack at it and I find high tension suits that as well. Double kick pedal seems smoother for me heel up. Anyway, I get that you wanted to keep this video to the point, none the less, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on spring tension.
@maqirama
@maqirama 3 жыл бұрын
3:45 someone with the name Marthyn Jovanovic. He always talk about stuffs like this, kick technique using hip flexor...ankle and stuffs.
@russellesimonetta9071
@russellesimonetta9071 Жыл бұрын
Uhh I played the same pedal for thirty years!! Then someone stole it!! It was a Rogers Swervomatic and it was the fastest most comfortable pedal I ever played! I could do triples with it!! I,ve been playing a pearl since! That's thirty years too. Not as good as the Rogers. Spring tension should be just enough for the footboard to stay with your foot!
@frank.l181
@frank.l181 6 ай бұрын
I think in terms of 260bpm single strokes it's combination heel/toe ankle motion technique. Spring tension has to be high. Plus you need bass drum triggers.
@jonathanedwards8696
@jonathanedwards8696 3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe how much drummers whine! Different kick pedals feel differently. Deal with it. Adapt. I do. And stop whining!
@stratmister009
@stratmister009 24 күн бұрын
Thanks for this lesson/tips are great. What I notice immediately is that the heel up technique is digging the beater into the head on all strokes. Do you agree that heel down enables more control over release of the beater from the head, or can you do either way with heel up technique?
@kotukuwhakapiko467
@kotukuwhakapiko467 Жыл бұрын
Im gay and I even appreciate your straight version of playing...can't wait to practice your essentially helpful video tomorrow I could play now because I don't live with my mum or dad but because I will wake all the chickens sleeping in my bedroom
@yodathehutt1557
@yodathehutt1557 3 жыл бұрын
When I was younger like 17 I was getting knee pain really bad when playing. Went to a drum school to see if they could help me, I was sitting too close. Needed to back up a bit. 90° degree angle with the legs
@hillie47
@hillie47 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, back and throne up helped me out a bunch too. Plus avoiding burying the beater in the head with full force trying to get louder helped me a bunch too. That allowed me to get better control and speed up as well.
@gitarman666
@gitarman666 3 жыл бұрын
Got my kick rolling but still got problems! My wife left, gas is $3.50 a gallon and covid is everywhere but on the bright side my wife left! More time to play
@nedpotterdrums
@nedpotterdrums 3 жыл бұрын
Also in the ‘problems you don’t know you have’ category - I found I literally couldn’t play the hats heal down (Peter Erskine advocates being able to do both, and I realised I only ever played hats heal up) and it was because I was sitting too close to the hats and indeed to the drums generals. My leg / foot just didn’t work bending that many times. So I sat further away from the kit and moved the kick and hats away a bit and it really helped with a lot of other stuff as well as the original problem.
@noahlaizer7434
@noahlaizer7434 Жыл бұрын
I just noticed this playing today. I always played heel up and figured i'd try it flat just for the hell of it and I had to back up a bit and just kinda did one of those "oh well no shit, you just never really think about it" moments
@atmosphericraven
@atmosphericraven 2 жыл бұрын
I hate the bounce back I get when I bury my beater into the drum, sometimes 2-3 kick bounce backs. Some people tell me not to bury my beater to resolve the issue, but if I don't, my feet can never rest, or keep me balanced up on my throne.
@bradfoland2127
@bradfoland2127 3 жыл бұрын
You’re a great drummer but this technique is wrong. Two problems with 100% heel up is burying the beater with zero rebound control and the leg always being under tension. You can hear it in your audio. The strike is not pure like a buzz roll. Then the continuous leg tension makes you stiff and prone to fatigue. The proper way is the Moeller technique. The stroke begins with heel up and finishes with the heel down (combines the ankle and hip in one motion) This generates more power with less energy and also allows the beater to rebound slightly off the head after each stroke. The sound is pure and the player is relaxed with more dynamic control. Your foot is no different than your hand. You would never play your snare drum by burying the stick into the head with no rebound
@NoOne-ye5jf
@NoOne-ye5jf 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not even a drummer but I love watching these. I sometimes try to transfer some of these exercises to comparable issues on the guitar, I always find that they improve my rhythm quite a lot.
@kotukuwhakapiko467
@kotukuwhakapiko467 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@360.Tapestry
@360.Tapestry 11 ай бұрын
if nothing else, all musicians should learn about time signatures and subdivisions and work on good timekeeping, in the event an instrument must lead or solo
@rondeangelis7384
@rondeangelis7384 4 ай бұрын
For spring tension to your weight, heel down , press footboard until the beater just touches the head. If applying to much pressure then vack off the tension until it feels good
@marc8vino
@marc8vino Жыл бұрын
I find one can play loudest without burring the beater. The sound is much larger letting the head react. I only burry for adding some tension. It feels that way. Looks like when you played louder you started burying and pp you were not. I think crescendos heel down with different rhythms both burying and rebound then heel up same thing has always helped. Then heel toe is the next thing to tackle.
@MrvlZmb
@MrvlZmb Жыл бұрын
Just starting out, and I feel more comfortable keeping my heel down because of the strain in my hip muscles from hovering my right leg. Am I doing something wrong?
@brimusic33
@brimusic33 2 жыл бұрын
I find that counting the subdivision or rather the 'and" on any given Rythm helps from being too early or late. 1+2+3+4+ or 1 e and a 2eanda ect.
@MrBeen992
@MrBeen992 Жыл бұрын
4:54 I didnt hear anything about the kick pedal spring tension. It was all about foot technique... or did I miss something ?
@Therealadriaanvisser
@Therealadriaanvisser 2 ай бұрын
Nice video, good tips and refreshing approach. Thanks for making and sharing it with the webz
@Gramercy_Stiffs
@Gramercy_Stiffs 2 ай бұрын
I was taught that heel down used less energy so that was the preferred method. Now I'm not sure if I should restart my technique journey.
@benbenpotato
@benbenpotato 3 жыл бұрын
3:27 SONG?!?!?!
@paulkillion7511
@paulkillion7511 Жыл бұрын
I am curious. I was told not to let the kick drum press against the drum head after it is hit. I see in this opening of the video that you leave the beater against the drum head. Reason being that if you have to play a long set the best practice would be to allow the kick to come off the head and rest. Maybe there is two techniques? What are your thought or anyones thoughts?
@davidhanson888
@davidhanson888 4 ай бұрын
How do you keep your beater from dribbling on the head when you use a small kick drum like an 18"?
@fabianschreck4393
@fabianschreck4393 3 жыл бұрын
Jojo talks a lot about his sliding tecknique which is based on heel up but the back of your foot adds a second note. He´s basically playing doubles. And the beatdown shoutout was dope btw
@drtone
@drtone 3 жыл бұрын
You also may be a lefty, and never be comfortable using right foot for the kick, and should switch to left foot kick.
@simbra5970
@simbra5970 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sire…yoo da man!!! I’ll give it a go 😁😁😁😁👍👍👍🍺🍺🍺🤟🤟🤟
@bamusalako
@bamusalako 2 жыл бұрын
for people who hae problems syncing their weaker hand with their base drum foot, try to do qarters on hi hat with eigth on snare drum and mix some drum patterns in and work towards staying in tempo and on point with your hi hat, snare, and drums, you can even write some things down, there are books for it but you dot really need them
@lhardingham9014
@lhardingham9014 2 жыл бұрын
I have been drumming for a long time and have never done dynamic control practice which is why my kicks are so same and uninteresting.
@SammyMakepeace
@SammyMakepeace 3 жыл бұрын
Lol blast beat metal drummers are only loud cos of triggers.. apart from Chris Turner maybe... that guy is a freak
@lukealberti5094
@lukealberti5094 2 жыл бұрын
Please stop talking over music and jump cutting. Those are both so annoying.
@Augfordpdoggie
@Augfordpdoggie 3 жыл бұрын
heel down, you're just using mostly your calf muscle. heel up, you are using your whole leg=more power
@starwarsluvr1133
@starwarsluvr1133 2 жыл бұрын
i’m very good at playing other parts of a kit. i just can’t seem to do the kick drum. even a single pedal
@amberselectronics
@amberselectronics Жыл бұрын
Honestly the biggest issue I have with heel up is that my legs are like 40 feet long and I have a tough time getting the damn seat high enough to be comfy
@achilleuscoronel6466
@achilleuscoronel6466 3 жыл бұрын
Seat height would be the most important for me. When my knee would be less than 90 deg. because it's not my kit and the throne cannot be adjusted high enough, I'd be forced to do heel down which burns out the tibialis anterior (shin muscle)---if the spring is not tight enough to push my foot back up. If you force yourself to do heel up, the thigh muscle will instead burn out, for trying to lift the entire leg to keep the heel off the floor. But if the throne is round (not anatomical) and too high---you'll get cramps. The throne is king!
@benstray3129
@benstray3129 3 жыл бұрын
Great man, feel like I got a personalised lesson! No more tension complaints from now on
@freeman7079
@freeman7079 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t help but think you may be overthinking this, anyway... 😉
@a.j.wilkes6352
@a.j.wilkes6352 3 жыл бұрын
Thought provoking for something I haven't given much thought, I suppose since I have not shared in the complaints. So the right foot is always slightly elevated and left foot is heel down on the hihat pedal for balance? Does this mean double bass players are sitting with feet off the floor?
@willsabol8391
@willsabol8391 3 жыл бұрын
I had the exact opposite experience. I have no volume control playing heel up. I also have no TONE control, or rebound control. Suspending the entire weight of my leg inches above the ground just so I can feather a bass drum is just excruciating - it literally can't do it. Heel down solves all these problems for me. It's good enough for Purdie, good enough for me.
@tomtrottersdrumsesh3688
@tomtrottersdrumsesh3688 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you were sitting too low, higher throne works better for heel up. That way you aren't so much suspending your leg in the air, it's hanging down from from the throne.
@willsabol8391
@willsabol8391 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomtrottersdrumsesh3688 I sit on a rock n soc, and it’s always as high as it’ll go. I’ll do heel up if I’m playing load, or doing heel toe stuff, but for regular volume or quieter, it’s all heel down.
@modernexistence4206
@modernexistence4206 2 жыл бұрын
Strengethen your hip flexors
@kalon415
@kalon415 2 жыл бұрын
Why are all your cymbals cracked? Thanks man, helpful video.
@stuartsmith5146
@stuartsmith5146 3 жыл бұрын
35 year drummer here. Been working in a Univ. dance Dept for 20 yrs. - 1) Muscle groups: gross motor and “quick-twitch”. Big muscles (hamstring/quads/“calf”) are slow, tiny muscles in feet are fast. 2) Muscles only contract or release. It takes more conscious effort to release muscles. Constantly engaged muscles are tired muscles. 3) Dropping weight. Familiarity of just how heavy YOUR leg is. Use gravity. There’s just so much here that can’t possibly fit in a U2b comment. 👍🏼love your videos!
@freeman7079
@freeman7079 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up around drummers who beat the poop out of their kits. I find your style of playing almost mesmerizing. I’d totally watch an hour long video of you just riffing to some improv jazz or something!
@erictimothyanderson7469
@erictimothyanderson7469 Жыл бұрын
Talking about the right foot is like believing only right lead matters.
@oreoandoz7723
@oreoandoz7723 7 ай бұрын
I have to wonder if there are some ergonomic issues limiting heel up for some players - e.g., I'm 5'2" and I'm playing a kit that's really compact, traditional grip, with the snare and toms low and angled. At the height I'm sitting my knee is up too high trying to play heel up. In other words, I'm thinking that the spectrum of average sized players really benefits from the tried-and-true techniques, but those who fall on the very short or very tall side of the spectrum may have to develop other ways of compensating. My best ergonomics was when I was using a child-sized drum kit - but those tend to be lower quality kits and look weird on stage :D
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 7 ай бұрын
I'd have to see photos, but I practically guarantee there's something you're doing that you don't even realize is unorthodox. BTW heel down isn't any more "tried and true" than heel up;)
@cobmahavishnu
@cobmahavishnu 3 жыл бұрын
Drum academy- whole lotta ankle and hip technique...
@skiphoffenflaven8004
@skiphoffenflaven8004 3 жыл бұрын
So many musicians are all about buying this and that and those instead of just getting better at their instrument. It’s so frustrating in bands.
@danford6678
@danford6678 28 күн бұрын
for me its controlling unwanted hits when playing fast double bass when stopping and starting - Do I bury the beat (which works best for me for restarting fast flurries) or practice the muscle control to stop and let the beater swing.
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 28 күн бұрын
@@danford6678 it’s not control. It’s setup and sufficient spring tension.
@rasm0225
@rasm0225 3 жыл бұрын
3:52 “smooth transition of power” he says early Jan 2021. Nice.
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
Disclaimer - this was written and recorded Fri, Jan 1.
@Dusther210
@Dusther210 3 жыл бұрын
This is so funny
@skipperry63
@skipperry63 3 жыл бұрын
I think I figured out my problem! I S$&@k! Lol!
@dmgsoultogetherness6667
@dmgsoultogetherness6667 3 жыл бұрын
Great job.....i sometimes nail my doubles bt not always...recently started playing the same pattern as a jazz swing thing but with the kick..single/double or double single...as a 'foot' note..why do we play well one day and garbage the next lol
@bryanbisordi
@bryanbisordi 2 жыл бұрын
The exact opposite case could be made for playing heel down. While I've seen some of his videos that I like, he's off on this one. Human anatomy, gravity, and balance say differently than "heel up is better." Not that heel down is better either but the story is much more complicated 80/20, if you have any questions about what I'm referring to please get in touch :-)
@PatrickBuzoDrums
@PatrickBuzoDrums 2 жыл бұрын
yep, this video sucks big time. I pretty much disagree with most of what he's saying here
@mattydread6618
@mattydread6618 3 жыл бұрын
Also check the placement of your high hat stand. Sometimes changing that will also help with your balance.
@mathias841
@mathias841 2 жыл бұрын
The only point I think for heel down is for low volume doubles
@beeftestosterone4840
@beeftestosterone4840 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone else do both heel up and heel down? Like why do you have to do one or the other?
@stephendean1613
@stephendean1613 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, you can’t play Bleed with a single kick?
@joetroutt7425
@joetroutt7425 27 күн бұрын
Man has more broken cymbals than I have dreams
@nickkuykendall9080
@nickkuykendall9080 Жыл бұрын
I always thought it was bad to have your knee over your ankle? Thought you wanted a bit of an angle on your knee to ankle ratio just like hip to knees needs to be angled a bit. “Do not overthink” yeah.. not possible
@8020drummer
@8020drummer Жыл бұрын
that's correct. I have a very unconventional technique. search 8020 drummer and kick drum for an update. Most of the stuff in this video still applies
@sideshowdrummer
@sideshowdrummer 3 жыл бұрын
I got a little burnt out on your channel but I'm back. And I see you're at a new studio
@jagermu
@jagermu 3 жыл бұрын
Couple things, 1. Agree with Martin - shout out to Rob, very cool! 2. Might be beneficial to talk about the combo ankle, hip technique. almost like Moeller for feet. 3. I play electronic now so as to keep my family life sane, but the chipped hi-hat reminds me of days past where I drilled out quite a few cymbals because I loved the sound and could not part with them. Even buying the exact same brand and size same sound. There's a tip there about drilling out the crack to stop it from from progressing me thinks. :)
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