THE ONLY ENGINE AS UNSUCCESSFUL AS TOYOTA? The Story of Peugeot in Formula One

[@stephenbritton9297]

Live TV interview - Brundle: “Eddie, why are your cars so fast this weekend?” Jordan: “Probably because you’re not driving them.” 😂

[@pipimontana]

Brundlé

[@DamarFadlan25]

Prost agrees.😅

[@ExodiaNecross2]

Look at Yamaha next please since they were with Brabham. Jordan. Arrows. Footwork. Tyrrell.

[@AdamTheMan1993]

Yamaha was also with the German Zakspeed team in 1989

[@5340robert]

Judd Power ?

[@bzilla-d4i]

Ah, the slow bombs, took a driver of Hill's calibre to drive the wheels of it and then still exploded, Yamaha/Judd, Hart, and Asiatech(Peugeot), the engine manufacturers teams turn to on their deathbeds.

[@danielpooley7148]

Had hill won that race they would of been the only yahama would of been the second Japanese manufacture to win a race

[@ibex485]

@@5340robert The original Yamaha engines were developed in house. But the V10 Arrows used in 1997 was said to be a rebadged Judd. Can't remember for certain the switchover happened (I think only the '97 was a Judd, but not sure). Jordan's Yamaha engines were beyond awful and still Yamaha's own work. Tyrrell had decent performance with the Yamaha engines (1994-96), but reliability was horrendous. With Arrows in 1997 the reliability issues were mostly with the car, not the (Judd) engine.

[@CyanRooper]

Ayrton Senna and Ron Dennis had quite the argument over the Peugeot and Lamborghini F1 engines back in 1993. Dennis believed the Lamborghini V12 engines were too unreliable and believed that Peugeot's V10 engine was better suited because it was used in Peugeot's Le Mans winning cars at the time. Senna disagreed, saying that endurance racing engines aren't constantly being driven at their limits like how F1 engines are. In the end, McLaren used the Peugeot engines instead of the Lamborghini engines that Senna wanted, Senna left for Williams and we all know what happened to Senna and McLaren in 1994. This was probably Ron Dennis's second worst moment as team principal, beaten only by the Spygate scandal.

[@il-ma.le.]

Recently came out that Ron Dennis did order to have the engine's last test fail. I do believe it was a matter of spare parts and development costs, and he wasn't trusting Chrysler on those regards. The man in charge of the Lambo F1 engine shut down the entire program afterwards out of pure disgust towards F1 team principals.

[@ivaneurope]

In this tangled web Ron Dennis had actually managed to screw the Larrousse team up big time. Larrousse were the only users of the Lamborghini V12 in 1993 and Gerrard Larrousse was trying to court Peugeot to support the team. Then Ron came and 'poached' Peugeot after which Larrousse talked with Lamborghini, but they told him that he'll not get the same treatment they were willing to give to McLaren...and Larrousse had to pay for the engines. This resulted in the already struggling French team (who were a year removed from the shortlived Venturi venture + the Reiner Waldorf/Klaus Walz clusterf*ck) to run underpowered 1993-spec customer Ford HB engines and the team folded in 1995 without even turning a wheel during the '95 season. In the meantime, Chrysler sold Lamborghini to a consortium, led by Malysian and Indonesian businessmen, who in 1998 sold it to the Volkswagen Group and nowadays is under the supervision of...Audi

[@Jinjajamie]

He also didn't trust Chrysler who owned Lambo at the time to be committed to F1. He was probably correct about this as they dropped the program, although the argument could be made they might have been more committed with a team like McLaren choosing them

[@AeroGuy07]

As an American I've never had a high opinion of Peugeot as a car marker. The ones they sold in the US didn't seem to last very long. Then I moved to Denmark and the only car I could afford was an 8 year old Peugeot 406. It ran flawlessly for the 2 years I owned it. I drove it all over Denmark, Germany, Holland and Belgium. I thought I smoked the clutch sitting in a traffic jam in Amsterdam, but after two days in a parking garage it was fine.

[@nunogloop3386]

Was it a diesel? Peugeot and Renault have reliable diesel engines. Even Mercedes uses Renault engines.

[@AeroGuy07]

@@nunogloop3386 nope, 1.8L petrol. It got great fuel mileage!

[@RRaquello]

The most exposure Peugeot ever got in the US was on the TV show "Columbo". Back in the early 70s you'd see a fair amount of Renaults and even an occasional Citroën driving around in the US but when I remember seeing a Peugeot it was usually a bicycle.

[@mica7191]

my brother drove a 106 and 206

[@itseperkele181]

​@@nunogloop3386had. They had reliable diesels.

[@fix0the0spade]

Even 30 years later the 905b and those late stage Group C cars still look like space rockets.

[@BurningEmerald]

A video on Subaru’s random F1 engine would be cool if you can find enough information for one on it.

[@ibex485]

Nice to know someone else remembers Suburu. 👍

[@thembanjoko2844]

Peugeot was so bad in F1 that Alain Prost described his Peugeot F1 partnership as the worst period of his F1 career.

[@IglooRacing]

I think he went as far as calling it the worst of his whole life

[@patrickcrean7813]

In fairness they scored 8 podiums in their first year. More than Toyota managed in their whole term.

[@scuckplexity]

​@@patrickcrean7813well yes but their first year was with Mugen

[@McLarenMercedes]

​@@patrickcrean7813Toyota has 17 podiums all in all in F1.

[@DamarFadlan25]

​@@IglooRacingi still remembered also the Prost teammates collision at 2000 Austrian GP.

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

When Brundle went to McLaren I was really pleased for him as he might finally win a race….but then they stuck the Peugeot in it

[@paulreilly3904]

I come home from work and look for Aiden, it's a real treat and he's a great story teller.

[@ibex485]

One reason for Peugeot's awful reliability in 1997 was that (like Ilmor's Mercedes engines) they were pioneering the use of beryllium in the alloys used for some engine conponents. That game the metal a degree of elasticity which allowed the engines to rev higher without compromising torque (i.e. not redesigning the engine in a way which would sacrifice torque for higher rpm). Both were pretty much doing their development in public - running the engines to see what would break next, try to fix that and see what broke next.

[@chrisguardiano6143]

Peugeot's time in F1 reminds me a lot of Porsche's time in Indycar from 1987-1990 in which Porsche struggled to compete with the likes of Chevy, Ford-Cosworth & Buick especially on the ovals. This despite the fact that Porsche was having success in IMSA. However unlike Peugeot's time in F1, Porsche can say that they won a race in Indycar as they won at Mid-Ohio in 1989 with Teo Fabi in the green white Quaker State March.

[@hecksters423]

1:34 "Can I put a WANG on this?" WEC: ❎ "Awwhhh...."

[@JohnSmithShields]

That's a whole different video.

[@jouhannaudjeanfrancois891]

My favorite part of the ProstGP s...t show is that Flavio told Prost to stay with Mugen and stay at MagnyCour to consolidate and move forward... You got to love Flavio!

[@solitaryclusterofneurons598]

As contemptible Flavio is as human being, the guy knows what's what when it comes to building a championship winning team

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@solitaryclusterofneurons598100 percent agree you can call him many things but he does know how to run a f1 team

[@LoganHunter82]

Like many have said in the comments, do Yamaha next

[@anthonyxuereb792]

Was touring Europe and popped into a photo lab for something when I saw a picture of the Prost F1 car on the wall. I made a comment about it and the proprietor gave me a identical poster on thick quality paper that I had framed and still have to this day (Agfa was a sponsor). Recently traded my trusty C5 on a more youthful Pug 508, however, I miss the Citroen suspension. Some people give French cars the thumbs down and that's their choice but I like them.

[@ibex485]

I miss our old 1984 Peugeot 205. It was a poverty-spec diesel, but it was a fantastic ride on country lanes. My mother was not an enthusiastic driver by any means, far from it. But even she enjoyed putting her foot down a little bit and jumping over the local cattle grids on the common rather than rumbling over them (even though the suspension absorbed bumps so well). The 306 had fantastic suspension too - not soft, but with a miraculous ability to absorb bumps and excellent handling. The 406 too, that would put anything less than a Jaguar to shame when it came to ride & handling. As for Citroens, high on my dream car list would be a mint C6 (if I had the money to maintain it). Last of the real, eccentric Citroens...

[@anthonyxuereb792]

@@ibex485 As with a lot of things in life, you have to experience things to appreciate them.

[@edwardburek1717]

I'm reminded of a couple of Jim Bamber cartoons that had the Peugeot F1 engines serving as the butt of the jokes. The first one was done after the announcement that McLaren was going with Peugeot. The dialogue went like this: Faceless Peugeot exec: "I'm afraid we won't be able to test the flywheel until the new year, Ron" Ron Dennis: "Oh? And why's that?" Jean-Pierre Jabouille: "Because it's made out of plywood!" So that explains why they had a tendency to blow up during the 94 season. The second one was done for the McLaren mechanics who had to fit engines from four different manufacturers in as many years. In this, a group of mechanics were struggling to fit an engine into the bay, and one of them was muttering: "First Honda then Ford, then Peugeot, now a Merc - I wish Ron would make his bloody mind up!!"

[@samiraperi467]

I dunno, I think Häkkinen's engine explosion at Magny Cours was more spectacular than Brundle's. For one, it happened at the fastest part of the track, which is probably why it failed in the first place. Engine got several extra inspection holes installed. :D Granted, engine blowing up basically on the grid is kinda hilarious.

[@stuart.swales]

Wasn't there an Autosport cartoon in 94 relating to that? With the Ronettes: "They don't run Ron, Ron, they don't run Ron" (music emoji)

[@thomaswarner5672]

Great video as always. Another covering Asiatech in more detail explaining their business model and the ability supply a team free engines would be really interesting.

[@AidanMillward]

@@thomaswarner5672 probably the bankrolling meant they could get away with it.

[@dave41184]

Rumour has it the '95 Peugeot engine had a killswitch on it, which if it sensed the engine was about to blow up, would simply shut it down (sparing Peugeot's blushes). This came back to bite them in Hungary, when Barrichello was running 3rd on the final lap and the killswitch engaged on a dying engine. Had he been able to force the last gasp out of the engine he may have retained his position - Dropped to 7th and no points.

[@Noormis]

The Wingless 9x8 actually did get a podium at the 6 hours of Monza in 2023 and lead Le Mans for a good chunk in 2023 aswell due to its performance in Wet conditions.

[@PaperBanjo64]

When Benson and Hedges were sponsoring Jordan, B&H were Noel and Liam Gallagher's favorite smokes, and Noel even had a pair of cats he named one Benson and the other Hedges!

[@ashmillermotorsport]

This entire video topic can be summarised by Aidan with just one timestamp; 14:07 - "Peugeot...ughh"..😂

[@AidanMillward]

@@ashmillermotorsport I completely missed that.

[@chrisclee6693]

Irvine's Jordan in '95 got me into F1 via the PS1 game. Real soft spot for them.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Ah a classic! The first proper F1 game on console.

[@pipimontana]

11:55 it was raining a lot back then - tears of joy

[@simontravers2715]

I actually forgot Peugeot did F1 engines 🇫🇷 🦁

[@fuller9x]

I think even Peugot has forgotten and is now making pepper mills again.

[@karendarrenmclaren]

It was my second season of watching F1 and senna's transfer. Struggle of McLaren. And they went to Peugeot... weird times

[@JohnSmithShields]

The Prosts might have lacked performance but they always looked classy on the grid.

[@kevinprior3549]

McLaren having Peugeot engines was a bad move in 1994. But I think Peugeot did OK for Jordan.

[@alaricbragg7843]

Agreed. Jordan could have won a couple of races in 1997 if not for some silly accidents and very stiff competition.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@alaricbragg7843Yup honestly one could make the argument the 1997 Jordan was the best car they ever made but was being wasted in the very young partnership of Fisi and Ralf

[@goed1adit]

@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 better than 1999 car? 😲

[@solitaryclusterofneurons598]

@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 agreed. I recall Jordan dropped Brundle against his will, should've kept him, or at least paired Fisi with someone like Damon Hill, Pedro Lamy, Eric Bernard, or Mark Blundell.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@goed1adit Honestly you could pick either car and I wouldn’t disagree It was defo better than the 98 car it was simply “wasted” on a rookie and inexperienced second year driver Someone like a Panis or Rubens would have probably won in Argentina that year

[@karendarrenmclaren]

It's 4 am and I'm watching this instead of going to work😂 To be fair there is no work yet...

[@MrSniperfox29]

According to Peugeot, Brundle's failure wasn't actually engine related, a leaky clutch spilling fluids on the engine and that caused the boom

[@alexlazebat839]

yeah what people forget is 2nd formation lap

[@DuaneCampbell-p3o]

Don’t forget Yamaha- Tyrell’s nemesis

[@GreatCdn59]

ESPN had the 'Yamaha Starting Grid' as a sponsored segment in the 90s. I remember a youtube comment "I'm surprised it didn't break down!" 😂

[@ivaneurope]

Those Yamaha's were basically rebadged Judd GV V10 for the first few years - the same engine the Andrea Moda team used during their misadventures in the 1992 season. For the remainder of Yamaha's tenure in F1 the engines in the Tyrrell cars until 1996 and also in the 1997 Arrows (the one that Damon Hill nearly dragged to a win in Hungary) were developed by Judd in conjunction with Yamaha

[@bumblebity2902]

That hand grenade engine

[@senorsoupe]

To quote David Hobbs, "How do you say Kablammo in French"?

[@AidanMillward]

@@senorsoupe keblammeau.

[@alaricbragg7843]

A Barbecue! 🔥😂😂

[@johnlemelin1327]

Been watching some videos of yours - great research work.

[@km6832]

Is it true what you said about the regulation changes for the 9x8, from what i understood is that the car needed smooth tracks for the ground effect to work properly and that most WEC tracks are too bumpy which forced them to go to a normal wing..

[@michaelkitchin9665]

The Jean Todt helmed Peugeot project would probably get undermined by having to hire a couple of French drivers.

[@tjroelsma]

The engine being able to produce 792HP on the dyno means absolutely nothing. That's just very short-term peak power. What matters is the power it can deliver during an entire race. That being said Prost's chassis being horrible was probably the larger problem, but then that was arguably caused by Prost having to pay for the engines instead of getting them for free....... It almost looks like Prost & Peugeot were in a situation where it simply couldn't have worked, even if both parties did their utmost to try and make it work.

[@ibex485]

Clive James recorded a TV programme at the 1995 Monaco GP, where he interviewed Eddie Irvine. So what did he think of upgrading from a garden shed customer engine to a manufacturer engine? Although the Peugeot was more powerful, he found it a major downgrade as it had very poor drivability. That was a problem throughout Peugeot's time in F1, high peak power but it came all at once at the top end. That's something which is always overlooked, peak power's nice but not much use if you can't use it or it takes too long to get there. That's where much of the Renault V10's success came from, especially in the 3L era when it had been overtaken for outright power. And after Renault withdrew when it continued to be the customer engine of choice for several years with little if any development. They repeated that with their V8 - not the most powerful, but with better torque (which matters) and drivability.

[@1greenMitsi]

man that 94 Mclaren Peugeot was a proverbial teapot

[@palm92]

Eh, the (various) Yamaha engines were worse IMO. I follow someone on Twitter who was a tech for Brabham and later Jordan during 1991-1992 and he said they tried to use ceramic valves for the 5V V12 at 1000GBP per in early 90s dollars. The engine lasted a minute or so before a catastrophic valve related failure happened on Yamaha's Dyno in Japan. That was the end of that experiment.

[@JSmith19858]

Porsche must at the top of the list for the best return on results vs money and effort spent. TAG bankrolled the Turbo V6. Their early cars were pretty successful and the boat anchor V12 didn't last long

[@michaelmaclean6965]

I think Brundle calling the 196 a dog is a bad faith argument when Rubens was blowing him to smithereens every week. It was designed to be consistent and didn't chase peak downforce unlike other teams. Gary Anderson also called Brundle's feedback into question because half of his comments were "that's not what they do at McLaren/Benetton/ligier". The gold livery was naff but the car itself was decent even if it didn't match the outright performance goals set out at the start of the season

[@AidanMillward]

@@michaelmaclean6965 Brundle was also 37 and on his last legs.

[@michaelmaclean6965]

@AidanMillward true, literally and metaphorically speaking

[@ibex485]

@@AidanMillward That could be a topic for a future video, the extent to which past drivers careers were limited by lasting injuries. By the '80s into the '90s drivers were much more likely to survive serious crashes & able to continue racing, but with injuries which they usually kept very quiet about. Johnny Herbert's legs are well known, Mansell's neck was quite well known. But Brundle's ankle was something even avid fans watching in the '90s when he was still in F1 probably knew nothing about. There must be others too.

[@davidp.7620]

But if that's true how will the British press cope?

[@GigglingChinchilla]

@1:42 I think the Peugeot actually stuck out less without a rearwing. ;)

[@gabrieleserini895]

Could you do a full length video on the Yamaha engines that were in F1 please.

[@minibus9]

excelent video

[@gordonwallin2368]

Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

[@alexlazebat839]

no mention of jabouillie thought he was in charge of peugeot

[@caincha]

If Ford had given the same engine to McLaren as they did Benetton Senna could've possibly won the tittle. As stated that 93 McLaren was just as good if not better than the 'otherworldly' Williams in any aspect except the engine. And Prost after his sabbatical was having a very hard time adapting to that Williams. Reportedly it was so 'artificial' (for the lack of a better word) that the driver wouldn't get any feedback from the track - it was akin to playing a video game with no force feedback, only Gs on braking and turning, not even track imperfections as that was taken care of by the active suspension. Can't remember if financial or political but if McLaren could've gotten a deal with Ford for engines as good as they were supplying Benetton I reckon Senna could've stayed rather than going to Williams. And F1 history would've been COMPLETELY different. Forget records imagine the fights of Senna vs Schumacher we were deprived of...

[@caincha]

Oh and I might be wrong but I seem to remember that yes Senna was very keen to have Lamborghini engines but it seems it was never a choice. Not really... can't remember why...

[@T.E.S.S.]

'counterparts' doesn't refer to nationality, but it still works otherwise

[@henkormel5610]

Nice one Aidan.

[@kamukameh]

U so love the snake-head-joardan's livery!! The coolest ever was!

[@paulreilly3904]

Thank god they're going to stop calling it the Weck. I hated that.

[@Hitherto90]

I guess you could say that name was a train-weck????????

[@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303]

Pretty wack

[@n8pls543]

Weck is a regional German term for bread rolls!

[@eamonahern7495]

Given what happened from '97 to '99, if there was no political pressure to switch to Prost and Peugeot gave Jordan full works support in that time, they could have been successful.

[@azapro911]

Peugeot showed promise when they were paired up with Jordan. And then, Prost......

[@areasquirrel]

Hey, it's one of my lot again, in the back of the Prost in '98, though always in my mind's eye as spinning endlessly in the nuclear explosion that was lap 1 at Spa. And at a young age, not knowing how to bloody pronounce it. So many silent letters... 😵‍💫 The hypercar did certainly catch my eye, but not in a good way. It looked like a bootleg Gen3 Formula E car, which has been a disaster operationally compared to Gen2, and so it proved early in the season when it appeared allergic to staying on the circuit. So much for the diffuser doing all the work.

[@ibex485]

Ron Dennis making a hasty decision to switch from an F1 engine they've tested and were happy with to an unproven new F1 engine manufacturer, over optimistically believing they could conjour up an F1 engine out of nowhere with minimal preparation and it all ending in disaster. Surely a once in a lifetime mistake... Oh, it happened again 20 years later when he dropped Mercedes for Honda. Turns out lightning can strike twice, I suppose. Both times the major problem was ongoing development. According to those at McLaren in '94 Peugeot did pretty much no development on the engine through the season. They completely overlooked the fact F1 is a continuous development race. And Honda completely misjudged the complexity of the new hybrid engines and their ability to develop them. People forget they were struggling so much Formula 1 brought in Mario Illien to help them. (One thing both the current Mercedes & RBPT/Honda engines have in common - the hand of Mario Illien in their lineage, although he left Brixworth long before the hybrid engines began development.)

[@palm92]

Alliot's career is baffling. Nice man and quick over a single lap (which is why in the 26 car+ grid era why he stuck around so long I think 109 starts from 116 races..) - but he might be the worst driver to have had a significant F1 career, 10 YEARS off and on between 1984-1994.

[@fossilfueled27]

Kind of odd that a Group C engine designed for endurance ended up having terrible reliability in a sprint racing car.

[@TheBrainSpecialist]

Bit of a pronouciation thing the u in "su" in Japanese names is rarely pronounced, so his name is pronounced "To-ra-no-skay"

[@kenshinflyer]

Well, everyone has their own strengths--sadly, some don't consider the pinnacle of motorsport as a strength.

[@thatguyfromcetialphaV]

Pug 905 to the MP4/9. What a fall from grace, and it was the same basic engine in both.

[@jordannufcfan]

Need one on Yamaha next for sure

[@DamarFadlan25]

Imagine if Peugeot as the engine supplier returns to F1 in 2027.

[@PenryMMJ]

If, in this alternative universe Todt run Peugeot run F1 team, they had managed to snaffle Ross Brawn and The Michael, then things could have been very different indeed.

[@courcheveller]

According to final classement here, McLaren did have 8 podium finishes with Peugeot in 94 against 2 with Mercedes the year after. To me Peugeot was obviously not that good as Renault, but waaaaay better than Mercedes.

[@Echelon6227]

Nice!

[@mike04574]

video on bourdais and indycar/champ drivers in f1?

[@fuller9x]

and that little team called Jordan grew up to become Midland which became Force India and grew up to be Aston Martin. And now we know the rest of the story.

[@CyanRooper]

All part of El Plan™. Little does Alonso know that while he'll finally get a championship winning car again after decades, he won't win the Driver's Championship with it. Instead it'll be Lance Stroll dominating harder than Verstappen in 2023. Except Stroll's dominance will last even longer.

[@troykennedy1087]

Forgot Spyker after Midland :)

[@fuller9x]

@@troykennedy1087 It was so short, it wasn't worth mentioning. 😀

[@troykennedy1087]

@@fuller9x You know man :D

[@bzilla-d4i]

Jordan actually won races though, Aston Martin doesn't.

[@nowind37]

now Stellantis Owns Peugeot Alfa Romeo Maserati and even Dodge They have 14 brands Maserati in GT3 and Formula E alongside DS Automobiles Premium Brand of Citroen Lancia Returning to WRC and Peugeot Racing in WEC im a time paradox

[@alexjenner1108]

I'm old enough to remember when Fiat had Fiat, Abarth, Lancia, Ferrari and Alfa Romeo brands and they added Maserati and I thought that might be too many brands.

[@nowind37]

@@alexjenner1108 ferrari in stellantis not included

[@alexjenner1108]

@@nowind37 not now, but back in the 1990s they used to be part of the FIAT group along with all those other brands.

[@jsma9999]

Minardi was power buy that when Mark Webber got there point

[@drumkeeragh]

Ive never felt that their tenure in F1 was a bad as people made out. Yes, they never won any races, but you could make an argument that if they had more experienced drivers in 97, Jordan might've sneaked a win or two there. Yes, they had their reliability issues, but most engine manufacturers did. Mercedes (Ilmor) had countless engine failures in 97, Ford, when they came "back" with Stewart, reliability wise weren't great either - Ford haven't won an F1 world title since when? Another thing that is going to be a kick in the balls for some fans is, the only top team they were paired with was McLaren. Jordan (bar a season or two punching above their weight) were a mid grid team, as were Prost, Im nearly sure Prost were continually changing design personnel, that would've had a positive effect on ultimate success. Another thing about F1 design is the compromises with regards aerodynamic efficiency and...cooling. There have been plenty of examples were cars were aerodynamically good, but due to that they struggled with keeping the engines cool, and blowing up. Overall, I think Peugeot done okay, yes, they didn't win races or titles, even though have done. Thinking of previous manufacturers, who entered, how many won world titles at the first go? Honda didn't, Renault didnt, plenty of other examples, you could say it took those unsuccessful years to allow them to regroup and come back more focused. Even the successful engine manufacturers have gone through dry periods of little to any success - what has Renault done in recent years, to be brutally honest? Making up the numbers, and they are spending an absolute fortune.

[@MichaelGloverMusic]

never knew that the asiatech engines were really peugeot's..mental

[@alexlazebat839]

arrows did better with cosworth and minardi did better with asiatech

[@bumblebity2902]

Peugot never have a factory team they didn't influence on chasis design. Their partnership is kinda like semi works team with McLaren

[@tturi2]

Chevrolet should buy the Alpine team, two french names 😂

[@phukfone8428]

Luminiferous

[@BlueSkyBS]

Whoever was building the engines, Yamaha were to Honda what Peugeot was to Renault. The only thing that stops Alfa Romeo being a part of this club were their early successes and Niki Lauda's wins at Brabham. But if you take just their woeful 70's and 80's efforts (the V8, the B12, the V12, the V8 Turbo, the 4 cylinder Turbo and the V10) you have just those Lauda wins, which happened because of the fan car and Lauda's bloody-minded determination. Their record, for the longest time, was absolutely dump-tier. And I say that despite liking Alfa and looking upon those years fondly (watching old races and seeing them doing well before their inevitable blowup is kinda painful, tbh).

[@nicholasjones9705]

Could Peugeot's parent company Stellantis one day start an F1 programme with one of their manufacturers as engine suppliers? It may be an opportunity for Peugeot to come back one day. This may seem unlikely now, but you never know.

[@AidanMillward]

Think they're too busy with hypercar tbh.

[@MrBlazemaster525]

Not for a long-ass while

[@nicholasjones9705]

Give it 25 years or so...

[@Tacko14]

I always wondered why Peut didn't do better. They made an F1 engine which didn't do anything. They dropped it into LeMans when that weird regulation came up with F1 and LeMans engines needing to be the same. Which did work for one season, mostly because of the dropped revs I guess. But it was weird. Although... in the grB they didn't have that gadget Audi had, to keep the turbo up and ready at low revs. I still think Peut were decent engine builders. Not up there, but sturdy enough. Maybe they just aimed too high. There again, Yamaha got nowhere, and they certainly know how to build a high revving engine. F1 is still special.

[@simonnaughton2272]

18:49 a couple of takes?

[@danielpooley7148]

F1 97 got it right the Jordan’s always exploded

[@SiVlog1989]

I would say BMW was also one of the worst, it's completely inexplicable why, when they had a realistic shot at the championship in 2008, after their 1-2 in Canada, they ceased developing their 2008 car there and then, only to flop the following year.

[@terminateshere]

The F1 mags kept predicting a Peugeot win at some point, but 2nd was as good as it got (Toyota also peaked there). Still - Peugeot-taking-on-Renault was still more successful than Yamaha-taking-on-Honda in 1989.

[@DiscGolfLeagueMVP]

16:35 that wing???????

[@AidanMillward]

@@DiscGolfLeagueMVP yeah. It was one of their bright ideas for Monaco and the FIA banned it.

[@martindice5424]

I’ve had the misfortune to own a Peugeot . Not surprised.

[@AidanMillward]

@@martindice5424 mine was a tank. My dads is still running no issue.

[@bzilla-d4i]

The older ones were rock solid, the entire North Africa is filled with them, die hard vehicles that built their reputation in Africa.

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

In my family we ran our 406 for 650k km before it broke a major part. And at that point it made more sense to scrap it given the plan renove that was going on.

[@GuzziHeroV50]

Talking of engines used in both WEC and F1, wasn't the Ferrari 333SP powered by a modified F1 motor?

[@AidanMillward]

@@GuzziHeroV50 that was a 4.0 V12.

[@GuzziHeroV50]

@@AidanMillward Wiki says: The engine was a modified version of the 65-degree V12 engine used in the 1990 Ferrari 641 Formula One car How accurate it is is up for debate!

[@bzilla-d4i]

​@@GuzziHeroV50it's Wikipedia mate. So not very

[@f.kieranfinney457]

Thanks Aidan for taking my mind off the disaster of our election here in America. I can’t even….

[@nikbear]

😢

[@1greenMitsi]

trump2024

[@danielholmes-nj5nq]

Oh dear. Butthurt, are we? That's a shame.

[@TouringCarsAndStuff]

I don’t think Toyota did as bad as some people think but, Subaru Coloni were worse

[@alaricbragg7843]

Like Toyota, F1 was just not in Peugeot's blood. Both makes could hardly wait to return to rallying and endurance racing when reality bit.

[@danielhenderson8316]

I get why Toyota would be less successful if we're talking only about money spent, but money isn't the only factor. How many points were scored by the Toyota engine vs. Peugeot? While Toyota didn't win a race, they were also partially responsible for Williams' resurgence with Adam Parr in the mid-2000's after Frank and Patrick destroyed their relationship with BMW.

[@bzilla-d4i]

Much different scoring systems. Toyota would have less points if they raced in that era. Also spending $7 billion and not getting a win is a joke.

[@danielhenderson8316]

@ Not much less as Toyota spent most off their time with Top 8 scoring instead of Top 6, and like with Peugeot, Toyota had car problems they never improved while the engine turned out pretty well for Williams.

[@bzilla-d4i]

@danielhenderson8316 Williams actually designed a half decent chassis for one season, finished top 4 in that season, and 7th and 8th the following. The switch back to Cosworth power units were actually more beneficial for them in this case as it temporarily stopped the bleeding. It was however a massive step backwards from the BMW power units, but that rests firmly on Williams' shoulders as even the V10 Williams BMW was by far the most powerful engine on the grid only let down by their shoddy aero work and chassis design.

[@cosmostrek2001]

they used to smoke and blow up a lot, that is about it.

[@TL98]

they thought they could shill as little as possible and get huge gains, oh how peugeot was wrong

[@mathsDOTearth]

Am I allowed to mention the Subaru flat 12?!

[@AidanMillward]

@@mathsDOTearth it wasn’t around for very long.

[@mathsDOTearth]

@AidanMillward fair

[@bzilla-d4i]

​@@mathsDOTearth same goes for Lamborghini which was a fast bomb, the Honda V10's, Ford/Cosworth V10's, Yamaha V10's, all unreliable bombs. The Ford/Cosworths had decent speed though went they weren't blowing up, will never forget Fisichella's race winning Jordan catching fire after the 2003 Brazilian GP.

[@ay2n109]

This is a video

[@ibex485]

Peugeot the worst manufacturer engine of the era? Not by a long way - see Suburu's attempt a few years earlier.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes Peugeot Engines were crap.

[@alpenjon]

It is Peugeot, not Persia 😂

[@caincha]

To this day I still don't understand the politics behind the Prost team. And I do mean politics as in the French government meddling and such. How the fck does a country's government gets involved in these things? And why? It's sooo convoluted and possibly the main reason the Prost team tanked. Not that they would ever challenge for the tittle (I mean who knows but highly unlikely) but they should/could be quite a bit better. Maybe...

[@AdamTheMan1993]

It's because the French Government wanted to make Prost Grand Prix the official racing team of France just like with Ligier

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

Ah yes, prancing lions that already tackled rallying and prototype racing in Group C and group a timeline. But then you mix water and oil by prancing lions tackling Formula 1.

[@kevinprior3549]

Prost ruined Ligier... end of

[@othgmark1]

First view

[@tokyodome93]

Porsche in F1 was arguably worse... look at the poor 1991 Footwork's results!

[@AdamTheMan1993]

You obviously forgot about the Porsche turbo powered McLaren's that won multiple championships in the mid 1980s

[@tokyodome93]

@@AdamTheMan1993 I mean technically they were TAGs...

[@AdamTheMan1993]

@@tokyodome93 Only for sponsorship reasons, they were still Porsche-built engines