The Open Forum Episode 42

Episode 42 of 'The Open Forum' where Christians, Atheists are invited to join the discussion. Guests will be invited on a first come first serve basis. Please note we can only have a maximum of 10 panelists (including efdawah panelists) at any one time.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:59 - EF Dawah Panel join
02:44 - Timothy joins
04:05 - Paul vs the Disciples at the Council of Jerusalem
15:31 - Paul taking the Nazirite Vow
27:37 - Issues with the teachings of Paul
31:05 - A Surprise from Timothy
31:56 - Brother Timothy takes his Shahadah 😍
33:38 - Timothy shares his journey
36:21 - Advice to the Christians
37:41 - Welcoming brother Timothy to Islam
47:09 - Reflecting on the Plan of Allah ﷻ
49:50 - Mahesh joins: Discussion on Infinite Regression
53:58 - The Cosmological & Contingency Argument
56:34 - Discussion on the Necessary Existence
1:05:45 - Discussion on "Nothing"
1:08:13 - Discussion on origin & nature of the universe
1:10:48 - Discussion on Fine Tuning of the Universe
1:23:24 - Pablo (Christian) joins: Paul contradicting the Disciples on the Law
1:27:56 - Paul's inconsistent views about the Law
1:31:47 - Paul conflicting with the Disciples
1:37:14 - Christians not following Noahide Laws
1:39:23 - Paul vs the Disciples on the Law
1:44:34 - Dawah to Pablo: Islam vs Christianity
2:02:32 - Mehdi joins: Recommended translation of the Qur'an
2:04:26 - Yahya joins: Ahruf & Qiraat of the Qur'an
2:07:38 - Syed joins: Islamic view of rejecting certain Hadith
2:09:53 - Masihi (Christian) joins: Analysing Masihi's beliefs
2:19:11 - Discussion on Issues with the Bible
2:27:50 - Problems with Christian belief about God's Revelation & Prophets
2:35:06 - Exposing masihi's ignorance & educating him
2:54:32 - Masihi's claims against the panel on Paul
2:56:00 - Refutation of Masihi's claims
3:17:41 - Unreliability of the Bible
3:20:21 - Review of the Stream
3:21:44 - Message to the Christians
3:24:50 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

*Timestamps:* 00:00 - Intro 00:59 - EF Dawah Panel join 02:44 - *Timothy joins* 04:05 - Paul vs the Disciples at the Council of Jerusalem 15:31 - Paul taking the Nazirite Vow 27:37 - Issues with the teachings of Paul 31:05 - A Surprise from Timothy 31:56 - *Brother Timothy takes his Shahadah* 😍 33:38 - Timothy shares his journey 36:21 - Advice to the Christians 37:41 - Welcoming brother Timothy to Islam 47:09 - Reflecting on the Plan of Allah ﷻ 49:50 - *Mahesh joins:* Discussion on Infinite Regression 53:58 - The Cosmological & Contingency Argument 56:34 - Discussion on the Necessary Existence 1:05:45 - Discussion on "Nothing" 1:08:13 - Discussion on origin & nature of the universe 1:10:48 - Discussion on Fine Tuning of the Universe 1:23:24 - *Pablo (Christian) joins:* Paul contradicting the Disciples on the Law 1:27:56 - Paul's inconsistent views about the Law 1:31:47 - Paul conflicting with the Disciples 1:37:14 - Christians not following Noahide Laws 1:39:23 - Paul vs the Disciples on the Law 1:44:34 - Dawah to Pablo: Islam vs Christianity 2:02:32 - *Mehdi joins:* Recommended translation of the Qur'an 2:04:26 - *Yahya joins:* Ahruf & Qiraat of the Qur'an 2:07:38 - *Syed joins:* Islamic view of rejecting certain Hadith 2:09:53 - *Masihi (Christian) joins:* Analysing Masihi's beliefs 2:19:11 - Discussion on Issues with the Bible 2:27:50 - Problems with Christian belief about God's Revelation & Prophets 2:35:06 - Exposing masihi's ignorance & educating him 2:54:32 - Masihi's claims against the panel on Paul 2:56:00 - Refutation of Masihi's claims 3:17:41 - Unreliability of the Bible 3:20:21 - Review of the Stream 3:21:44 - Message to the Christians 3:24:50 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up SubhanAllah 💖🤍❤️ *Fabulous Stream* 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you all, reward you for your efforts and keep brother Timothy firm on the Deen._ 🤲🏻

[@JohnTronto]

May Allah reward you brother. We love timestamps! :)

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

@@JohnTronto بارك الله فيك أخي ❤️

[@Nazam44]

Jazakumullah bil khair, Brother. Thank you for taking the time to do this.

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

@@Nazam44 وَإِيَّاك‎ أَخِي ‎💖

[@EFDawah]

Jazak'Allahu Khairan bro ❤

[@Rowena410]

To all those that where in contact with me yesterday during the chat and supported me I just want to say that withe the support of Erfan I've took my Shahada this morning and I'm so thankful to Allah for guiding me on his path. Thanks also to Timothy s example.

[@mazenahmed5757]

We proud of you my sister

[@summer5145]

Alhamdulillah welcome to Islam !

[@Rowena410]

@@summer5145 thank you

[@Rowena410]

@@mazenahmed5757 thank you

[@Mym794]

Welcome, sister, I am happy for you 😊. May Allah bless you and make your journey easy and happy 🙏.

[@kennyanibaba3839]

See the way I smiled when Timothy said "I agree with you and that's why I've decided to be a Muslim.". Alhamdulillah... May Allah continue to guide and protect him.

[@Hebiscus998]

I smiled so hard and got so happy! Timothy has made is happy with his announcement and that’s already a sadaqa to his Muslim brothers and sisters

[@esrefcelebi]

Unfortunately he reverted...

[@idiris4445]

@@esrefcelebiDo you mean back to Christianity?

[@esrefcelebi]

@@idiris4445 yes..

[@idiris4445]

@@esrefcelebi where did you hear that

[@IndoFahmi]

Subhanallah, I wrote comment on the last stream to specifically debunk Timothy's claim of the word "chagg vs hajj". And now he's our brother! Welcome home brother, you are sincere and Insha Allah your sincerity, your knowledge will be a means for guidance of Allah SWT to people around you. Jazakumullahu khayran.

[@IndoFahmi]

@@welcometolife4237 ok

[@slsa915]

Welcome brother Timothy to Islam. May Allah guide us and you to the truth and keep us steadfast upon it.

[@Abdullah-Md]

Brother Abbs's smile after brother Timothy said" I agree on that and that's why I wanna become Muslim ", so mine.

[@realislam202]

Congratulations Timothy ! You are amazing. Only God knows what is in your heart.

[@desmondmansingh5175]

Timothy was never a true christian because he was easly deceived with the lies and deception of the muslims!!

[@realislam202]

@@desmondmansingh5175 There are many other learned Christians left Christianity and that is why Christianity as religion died in western world because concept of God in Christianity is illogical and irrational how and infinite all knowing God creator of this universe became finite man who requires drinks, eat food, go to toilet and dont know about last hour and still called God? Many Christians accepted Islam after years of investigation and research just look at Khalil [EA DAWAH] who was former pastor accepted islam and many more accepts islam everywhere in world, if you have Questions you can also join this stream or Khalil from EA DAWAH i hope all your misconceptions and Questions about islam will be answered and hope you will also join islam religion of all prophets before Muhammad and jesus PBUH them all.

[@isa_ibn_Muhammed]

I couldn't stop crying when Timothy took his shahada, welcome brother.

[@klaw1425]

Tears are blessings honestly

[@realislam202]

One thing brother Abbas and other forgot is to ask Timothy to pray for all of us, but if Timothy you are reading comments please pray for us all.

[@saf1999]

Abbas face when Timothy said he wants to become Muslim 🥺. Congratulations Timothy, greatest day of your life ❤️. May Allah continue to guide you and bless you

[@sondrameyer2816]

Totally did not see that one coming! Masha Allah. Timothy came across as very sincere, polite, intelligent and very Christian. Allah chooses who he will. May Timothy be blessed to continue to grow in the Deen.

[@johnhoward2908]

Nazam is one of my favorites - never seen him get angry or lose his composure. His knowledge is so extensive as well, pulls bible verses off the top of his head like nothing.

[@mazenahmed5757]

Congratulation Timothy ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@mozabeta7003]

May you be blessed brother Timothy. Today we have another brother.

[@JohnTronto]

When Timothy came on stream 41 with chagag thing I was skeptical of him, its great to find him apologizing & reverting. Allahu Akbar! Brother Timothy may Allah keep you & us all in Islam & make it easy for us & make us all successful for us in this life & the next ameen. Also may Allah keep brother Ijaz & us all healthy ameen. And may Allah help Turkey, Syria and Palestine & us all ameen.

[@eddymahomed4035]

💚MashAllah...beautiful Timothy💚 welcome to Islam 💚

[@catlady306]

Masha Allah Timothy I am so excited for you on your new journey

[@SamSam-bt9fn]

Brother Timothy, we all pray to Allah to guide you to the right path...it's a beautiful journey for you now...

[@AdrianMuslim]

Congratulations to Timothy. Welcome to Islam. Everyone like and comments on the streams so that more people can watch.

[@aliabdullahi1445]

Alhamdulillah Timothy I am so proud of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@farahashique6056]

May Allah subhaanahu ta aala bless protect guide help reward and increase you in abundance with all forms of goodness and keep you firm and steadfast on the truth Aameen thumma Aameen 😥🤲💝💯💎🤲💝

[@alifiamd9963]

I love Bro Abbas' expression when he said "Really?"😀

[@suelenq1708]

Congratualtions brother Timothy. May Allah strengthen your faith and your love for him and grant you success in this life and the next. Amen.

[@aliza9608]

Masha'Allah Timothy is a special person for embracing the Truth

[@TheDon0715]

WOW! WHEN TIMOTHY SAID HE DECIDED TO BECOME A MUSLIM MADE ME SO HAPPY!!! MAY ALLAH KEEP HIM STEADFAST!!!

[@EzioYuio]

I love EFDawah but sometimes I think the brothers lack the necessary firmness against certain people without Hamza.

[@Hebiscus998]

That uno card that Timothy pulled!! Man that was such a move. He was discussing Acts so seriously while sitting on a shahada for a half hour 😭😂 I’m gonna have to say Timothy’s shahada has to be one of my favorite shahadas of all time may Allah bless and preserve you Timothy

[@Traplicano]

MAY ALLLAH GUIDE WHO HE WILLS. As a fellow revert I welcome my new brother in Islam.

[@spiritzen]

Clip Timothy’s section and include previous time he came on. It makes for a great change of heart and position. When they see the truth and they are sincere they accept it.

[@rox4653]

Masha Allah Corants brother Timothy alhumdulilah for the best choice ever.

[@goggybutt]

When he said" that's why I became a Muslim "abbas face dropped 😮

[@leonidasanaxandridas6163]

Subhan Allah! I was so intently listening to the interaction with Timothy especially after last weeks stream. Slightly being frustrated at the panel, I had to double take when Timothy said that. What an amazing Shahadah. Allahu Akbar! Welcome brother Timothy.

[@Orphan_Heart14]

Much appreciated 👍

[@farahashique6056]

Allahu Akbar subhaanAllah Alhamdulillah Allah humma baarik ☝️💯🤲😥💝

[@ShoaibAhmedNZ]

Masihi has been on the stream with another name. He’s a pastor. Funny that polemics leads to these guys not to able to follow simple arguments!

[@summer5145]

Yes by the name of James if I remember correctly. He use to come on about a year ago with his camera on, appearing on several streams.

[@lannylanny8362]

31:10 the most desired to hear yet the most catchoffguardunexpectediest phrase ever spoken on the open forum

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@englishteacher360]

Assalam u Aleikum brothers.

[@Mym794]

وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته

[@t3ucy]

Timothy's shahada brought tears 😢😢 to my eyes

[@zakiajunaid3375]

Alhumdulillah

[@quranchannel4622]

Jazaka ALLAH Kheir

[@MrDrakey44]

wah, that escalated quickly..!

[@mojoe717]

mashallah I was totally shocked too but in the most happy way , Allah Akbar welcome brother Timothy 🤲🏻❤️ Alhamdulilah

[@Hebiscus998]

WHY DID I GET SO HAPPY WHEN TIMOTHY SAID HE DECIDED TO BECOME A MUSLIM AND THEN ABBAS’S SMILE AND THEN I FELT LIKE I WAS SO PERSONALLY HAPPY FOR TIMOTHY 😭😭😭😭♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@fadwajansenmoufti5112]

I cried... I swear Timothy 😭😭😭 that was so unexpected 😭 🤧 😩. SubahaanAllah MashAllah Welcome brothe🤲🤲🤲

[@amroalnorani6999]

welcome brother to our big family

[@amiir43able]

Yes I tried by lattafa wood oud is good 👍 👌

[@tofayelahmad7949]

Invent more lies to cover lies. After listening to masihi stay Gari. The way he explained things not even his own scriptures goes with that narratives.

[@klaw1425]

98. Surah Al-Baiyyinah (The Clear Evidence)  1. Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikun,were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence. 2. A Messenger (Muhammad ()) from Allah, reciting (the Qur'an) purified pages [purified from Al-Batil (falsehood, etc.)]. 3. Containing correct and straight laws from Allah. 4. And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad () and whatever was revealed to him). 5. And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat: and that is the right religion. 6. Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad ()) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures. 7. Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allah, and in His Messenger Muhammad ()) including all obligations ordered by Islam] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures. 8. Their reward with their Lord is 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (Gardens of Eternity), underneath which rivers flow, they will abide therein forever, Allah Well-Pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for him who fears his Lord. Previous Surah Index Next Surah To buy the hard copy of The Noble Quran or any other book visit: Dar-us-Salam Publications at www.Dar-us-Salam.com.

[@christopherwells3426]

It's a wrap abass knocked him out with that quote from his reference! 😮😂😮😅 Time of death 1 hour and 22 minutes into the discussion. 😂😂😂

[@kaz4845]

Good stream, have to say, sometimes Abbas let's people waffle on too much. Hamza is too quick tempered, Abbas is too chilled and patient.. Between them, they made a good team, the balance was right.. Now its a bit too much one way..

[@JohnTronto]

Lets send duaas for them to do streams together again like the old days :).

[@aleeya2493]

@@JohnTrontowhy don’t they do streams together anymore?

[@noureddine7754]

"Masihi" is the same Jame from historicity streams. The old Indian man

[@EzioYuio]

Ah, now I know who he is. The one from the video *"one God makes no sense" | Christian Debates Muslims!*

[@meqdadmahmoud6641]

Again brothers with all due respect… we indulge in arguments of theories and leave the fact we live on the planet and we see it is stable and organised, our bodies is functioning in fantastic way 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@clearskybluewaters]

6 And they were both righteous in the sight of God, living blamelessly in all the commandments and regulations of the Lord. Luke 1:6 apparently Zakariyyah AS and his wife were also blameless so Christian position of Jesus being the only sinless person is untenable.

[@theholyspirit8830]

They’re so stupid😂

[@abdulgafor7940]

thanks you for representing Christians.

[@phonophesile]

ALLAH UAKBAR....Alhamdulilah.

[@yington]

Can somebody please tell me name of that intro music…..

[@Syed17056]

nice

[@Ahmad-mc5hn]

All the brothers are amazing on the streams. However, I guess brother Erfan needs some more time. He needs to imporve his skills to become a panelist on a channel like EFDawah.

[@christopherwells3426]

My understanding is that science says that if the universe were 1 cotillion off the size of a grain of sand the whole thing will be thrown into chaos. There is no argument against the fine-tuning of the universe. I don't care what atheists tries to make argument.

[@miriamamjad441]

Allahuakbar

[@hanijebali8819]

Guys what time is live stream ?

[@DBKAQ]

What's the name of the intro song?

[@Exit213]

It is wrong to feel one day that Islam is dedicated to a certain group of people, or to a tribe or to a specific people. Islam is a relationship of submission between man and his Creator, so hurry to build this relationship in the right way, because do not forget that the angels who convey our news to God need 1000 years to reach under the throne. And he is don not need them but its system .These are enough to feel the greatness of this Creator

[@rsza5911]

Masilhi reasons like this ….Jesus is God… who sent the prophets who came before…. So he had to come into this world to reform the teachings that he gave the previous prophets,…..bizarre reasoning ….Lord help us🤯

[@klaw1425]

Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.

[@meqdadmahmoud6641]

1:02:03 السلام عليكم ورحمة الله The more I hear atheists and agnostics the more I convince that stupidity can be masked with a lot of technical words and jargons.

[@Hebiscus998]

Absolutely!

[@linosh9424]

Mahesh sounds like that guy from speakers corners. Seems to be diffcult but is obviously out of his depth but needs to ask the permutations of questions to improve his understanding of the subject. Sneaky crash course by getting EFDawah to do his thinking for him.

[@cikguain6756]

الله اكبر

[@timg.3853]

God is The Greatest.

[@mozabeta7003]

Mahesh is honesty taking time away from other guests. Why waste time on someone like him.

[@anzajamaa5001]

Someone like him? Are people unworthy?

[@mozabeta7003]

@@anzajamaa5001 There is a certain type of atheist that only want to flex their knowledge of science. Why waste it on someone who doesn’t even understand your responses and backtracks often. If you’re looking to incite Race, you’re barking up the wrong tree mate.

[@nokhchi1079]

@@anzajamaa5001 yes if they act like that

[@Gottalovedawah]

There’s other philosophical atheists and agnostics out there who either worship science or totally rely on science to give them the answers about the known universe. The problem with that is if a religious person regardless of religion is wrong about their faith the worst they did was live a good honest life but if they’re right God will reward them for their efforts. For the disbelievers on the other hand the worst that would happen to them is eternal hell fire there is no best outcome because we all die regardless of how we lived or what we believe. These brothers invest their time out of concern for humanity to save them from the fire and guide them to the best of the hereafter InshaAllah.

[@mozabeta7003]

@@Gottalovedawah I hear you brother. That comment was make over 6 months ago. Since then pretty much everyone is fed up with him and his disingenuous time wasting.

[@trappedinexistence]

at around 1:48:00 erfan talks about definite and ambiguous verses. that's correct. but then he says if we don't know the ambiguous we have to go to the scholars and ask them because they know them. that's wrong. Ali Imran 7 says only Uluelbab can explain. the verse also says that the scholars (ver rasihune fil ilmi) don't know it. only the uluelbab can.

[@graceandjoy-]

36:30 - Reason: Revelation 7:14 CSB I said to him, "Sir, you know." Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white ☝️in👉 the blood of the Lamb.👈 Revelation 7:15 CSB For 👉this reason👈👉 they are before 🧿the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple. 🔵The one seated on the throne will shelter them:

[@mohammedmohiuddin1513]

This guy is born again Christian James from India .

[@itisyouthatiadore]

Manesh is the true embodiment of madness, he came to this stream asking the same question and expects a different answer. You need psychological help brother.

[@klaw1425]

98. Surah Al-Baiyyinah (The Clear Evidence)  1. Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikun,were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence. 2. A Messenger (Muhammad ()) from Allah, reciting (the Qur'an) purified pages [purified from Al-Batil (falsehood, etc.)]. 3. Containing correct and straight laws from Allah. 4. And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad () and whatever was revealed to him). 5. And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat: and that is the right religion. 6. Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad ()) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures. 7. Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allah, and in His Messenger Muhammad ()) including all obligations ordered by Islam] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures. 8. Their reward with their Lord is 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (Gardens of Eternity), underneath which rivers flow, they will abide therein forever, Allah Well-Pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for him who fears his Lord. Previous Surah Index Next Surah To buy the hard copy of The Noble Quran or any other book visit: Dar-us-Salam Publications at www.Dar-us-Salam.com.

[@jigglybandito9505]

Also look up what Paul actually did. He’s the one that separated Christianity.

[@tiloshah4778]

Let's agree on what age marriage is acceptable 1) the girl must reachbthe age of maturity ie like be able to run a house 2) the girl must reach the age of puberty 3) the girls body must be fully developed so that no harm comes to her . Do u accept this???? Well then .... Subhan'Allah , that's what took place with Ayesha (ra) Now .. In your Bible and your scholars claim, that Mary was 9-12yrs old when she was made pregnant . According to todays Christians... is that moral?? That's how I epuld deal with this question Also .... Ayesha was 6yrs old when she was engaged , it is her parents who allowed her to go live with the Prophet when they decided she met all the criteria

[@onecreator.9708]

Allahu Akbar

[@Hebiscus998]

52:12 I’m not that smart but even I can see that an infinite regress is absolutely illogical

[@seraaf4198]

Why do i feel Mahesh was not an agnostic !

[@firozsanullah9571]

Was gonna fast forward past Mahesh Glad Abbas cut out his dishonesty

[@JA-jh5gr]

Masihi the Indian uncle long time the panel I think they forgot about you. Came on like a new questioner lol

[@zoezoom110]

This guy masihi should have a dialogue with bro hamza,,, Hamza would have knock him down straight forward, without mercy...

[@maxmorris4562]

11:44

[@Chiefdomain]

It was more like Masihi Dajjal

[@spadecaller6300]

I think the intro song is not appropriate. is it singing you are the way o lord?? Is it abt Jesus or Allah? Jesus was the way but he is not Lord. Allah is our Lord but He is not the way but the destination. Pls correct me if i'm wrong. otherwise, just drop this 'song' pls

[@SamSam-bt9fn]

Misahi...talks over everybody because he doesn't want to hear the truth out..and doesn't want people to hear it

[@taniahaque6493]

Allah Hu Akbar

[@mohammadrashid7083]

Thank you Abbas for removing Mahesh.

[@abdulgafor7940]

this abdul they dont let Christias to speak!

[@Just_logic]

Sometimes I think Hamza is required in the panel to stop people like Masihi.

[@mohammednasirmiah7715]

Masihi is a walking contradiction

[@munn7bunnu811]

Manesh gone all Jordan Peterson...

[@abdulgafor7940]

3 muslims experiencing terrible inferriority against 1 christians

[@summer5145]

Why are you a Christian parading with a Muslim name making silly comments repeatedly on EFDawah. Such desperation? Why don't you join Timothy and see the light!

[@rawkeeper7601]

How can there be a god that creates from nothing if nothing means the absence of anything? That is a contradiction Abbas!

[@hitogi06]

It's because The God is not part of the created world. What makes up the world was created from nothing, as the space, time, atoms, energy, and etc did not exist until is was made. That's what was meant in the statement "God creates from nothing ". God does not require materials to create things made of materials.

[@rawkeeper7601]

@@hitogi06 But if there is a god it means there is something in existence hence Abbas is lying? It's strange because the panel here doesn't accept that some scientists define nothing different too.

[@sildkrunxagers1070]

​@@rawkeeper7601 God is not nothing. Nothing is abscence of god. God has the ability to create without requiring materials to create the universe. He uses his own abilities whichever they may be and however it is befitting of god.

[@rawkeeper7601]

@@sildkrunxagers1070 if god is not nothing he is something, if nothing is the absence of anything like abbas claims it means there is nothing that exists. So there is no something. So how can god create from nothing, if he can't exist if there is nothing?

[@sildkrunxagers1070]

@@rawkeeper7601 god exists he would constitute as something (auzobillah). The point abbas is making is that allah doesn't require raw materials or energy outside of his abilities to create the universe. He is not saying Allah is nothing.

[@YahyaibnZaqariah]

Listening too mahesh saying he is an agnostic but sounds like an atheist, yet has no idea what he is talking about🤦🏻‍♂️

[@afwlimo]

Masihi, his theology is based on what ? Totally out the world. He thinks he can authenticate and rewrite his own gospal better then the NT. He was all over the spectrum. Bro Humza would have destroyed and would have shut him off.

[@afsar_gunner5271]

MAHESH IS BRAINWASHED BY THE WORD NOTHING

[@abdulgafor7940]

we cannot see truth from islam!

[@truthisrare3289]

I can only smile as Timothy falls in the trap. Being an ex-muslim, I would only like to say that don't be so quick on accepting any religion. The reason is that you and I are not capable enough or informed enough to make that decision at the moment.

[@maya_00]

This Mahesh pretend to be smart but actually he's not..wasting time