The Origin of Carnage (Spider-Man & Venom vs Carnage)

[@Synyster975]

Carnage is the coolest symbiote. There's nothing more badass than taking someone with the mindset of the Joker and giving them Spider-Man's powers. But Spider-Man is my favorite hero so pretty much any symbiote or Spider character is going to be awesome.

[@moviegirlaka]

Synyster975 please sub to my channel

[@ethang.8238]

Wtf who randomly asks a random comment on a random youtube video about comics, who does this?

[@shangtsunga.k.asouljaboy2883]

everyone on KZbin comments section

[@chipdouglas4453]

Hector Huiza lol

[@jessejames3003]

I believe riot could rival venom and carnage

[@ciaranmcguinness8900]

Carnage is probably so popular because hes probably the most Evil Marvel villain of them all, most of the Villains have a sad backstory and make you feel a bit Sympathetic like Magneto and The Brotherhood, Loki, Venom, Doc Ock, Green Goblin etc. Carnage however is evil from the outset cos he is a Serial Killer before the Symbiote bonds with him, an insane serial killer who shows no remorse, doesnt have a tragic backstory as of yet, and kills purely for his own entertainment, hes also very like The Joker who is argusbly the most popular Villain ever and in my opinion and many others the best, add in that hes extremely brutal for a Marvel Character like D.C. and Dark Jorse levels of violence and he looks awesome so all that is probably why hes so popular

[@adamstrange7671]

That's what makes Maximum Carnage so great! Carnage gathered a family similar to Charles Manson. They were not a gang, they were his followers. And what he does to New York was a beyond The Avengers level threat. The Avenger, The X Men and The Fantastic four were called in. Carnage at that stage was an Omega level threat. Not from his powers, but from his philosophy.

[@john-oh9cr]

Now he is the most powerful

[@matthiascerebri3315]

But he was in the asylum that tortured him and coined him.

[@flashfrozen7401]

I have to disagree on the title of most evil seeing as there is literally Satan, Dormmamu, and Mephisto who seem to exist as actual beings of pure evil.

[@AmayzingJack]

Cletus was literally modeled after the Joker, needless to say Carnage was immediately badass from the start

[@capmar-vell92returns20]

Carnage is one of the most 90's things ever.

[@Kratosx23]

It was a better time...

[@andytrevino4077]

Oddly enough, it's that kind of 90's cheesiness I dig.

[@dhines10964]

We need a Carnage movie since we have spiderman ,venom and now a Carnage movie

[@andytrevino4077]

@@dhines10964 He should be in the Venom sequel first.

[@zombiewolf3244]

@@Kratosx23 a simpler time

[@Sevenigma777]

I read tons of comics when I was younger and still to this day one of the most memorable was this series with Carnage. I can recall this comic almost panel to panel with it being well over a decade since I last read it. Great job Rob!

[@Nexion3653]

Please do Maximum Carnage I've always been interested in that story

[@tokendave80]

First off great choice in name's and superhero's Second I just asked too, that story is so much fun!

[@moviegirlaka]

Token Dave please sub to my channel

[@thelittlepasty8360]

Neo Nightwing Go to a channel called ComicPOP! Theyre friends with rob and they did an hour discussion of the story

[@kiekan]

Just read it, man.

[@jakew6162]

I don't see why fans hate this story I haven't read it,but seems okay to my perspective

[@SwankyKitteh82]

Mark Bagley's era behind the pencil in the Spider Man title was the best of the franchise's run imo.

[@WaitingtoHit]

I loved his art during this era, both in Amazing Spider-Man and New Warriors. Whenever I've seen his subsequent iterations of Spider-Man, I've been really disappointed. He should have stuck to what he was originally doing. Very few people could have followed Larsen and McFarlane, but at that time, Mark Bagley was the man.

[@DeadboiG59]

Especially the early ultimate saga too

[@mr.l5783]

They need to bring Carnage and Venom into the new Spiderman films.

[@ArcaneSorceror]

Last time when they tried, Sam Raimi had no choice. But a director with the choice? Could be very interesting, especially as they could plant the story arc in Agents of Shield

[@kidistight]

No they need to officially hand over the rights and have Marvel do either one of those villains right. They totally screwed up Venom.

[@mosshivenetwork117]

They are now. I'm not so sure if they will have Carnage.

[@zombiewolf3244]

@Logan Waltz did you watch venom it was not good

[@zombiewolf3244]

@@Reborn77774 you first Fuck head

[@walkerfinazzo2056]

Can you do the Marvel DC crossover where the Joker and Carnage team up against Spider-man and Batman pretty please

[@applemansr2688]

My Favorite Anime is Shrek 3 the return of Corry I agree with your name

[@hectormorales4627]

yessssss

[@moviegirlaka]

ApplemanSR please sub to my channel

[@GreaserMan]

Eurgh, no. It's terrible. Batman beats Carnage with a kick. Carnage would have slaughtered all 3 as soon as he pleased.

[@Crmsn-qk2io]

@@applemansr2688 same

[@LaughnCry27]

Venom is my favorite comic book character Reminds me of Vegeta The way Vegeta teams up with Goku but ultimately wants to kill Goku himself

[@ホフマン日向]

He just wants to surpass goku at this point

[@DanielSzilagyi]

I remember owning the original collection of the Carnage comic and reading the writer's take on the story, he had mentioned at the time that they wanted to kill Venom off because they felt bored but like Rob mentioned Venom was too popular. however they suggested ideas like the suit (venom) going to other hosts like the Lizard, Doc Ock, Flash Thompson and even JJ Jameson! interesting how Marvel a decade later decided to use some of those ideas (Like giving the suit to Flash)

[@terrelljcampbell]

The relationship between Spider-Man & venom is like goku & vegeta where venom is the only one that can kill Spider-Man. I thought u was gonna reference that rob so I did it for u... I'll leave now

[@squirrelmaster2517]

Venom vs spiderman was first.

[@TheRojo387]

Squirrel Master Venom also bonded to Spider-Man/Peter Parker before meeting Eddy Brock.

[@orangvii3633]

I don't watch Dragon ballz or whatever so can you explain that relationship

[@Jack1687]

@@orangvii3633 vegeta is the only other character in the show besides new villains or opponents that can give goku a run for his money.

[@adoniscreed4031]

That makes no sense... Vegeta sees Goku as his rival and that's the basis of their relastionship. Venom hates Spider Man but Spider Man doesn't drive him to become stronger... they're already strong

[@strawhatrore2072]

I've never read a single comic, but I love watching these. Thanks man

[@shirohige7780]

ROB I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A CARNAGE VIDEO! AWESOME!

[@FeedMeSalt]

Failed Assassin69 maybe there's a reason you have been ingored. or your just unlucky.

[@TheSvmurai]

Failed Assassin69 , don't take it personally. He's a busy man.

[@joshslouvi7963]

I've been asking for a week or so now Rob is awesome

[@applemansr2688]

SHIROHIGE same!!

[@kennethmartin8715]

Failed Assassin69 you're obviously a pessimist...

[@fsu7482]

This made me realize how much thought is put into comics my god. Been watching through your videos and I'm slowly wanting to delve into them.

[@necromancer0616]

CLASSICS...I LOVE EM' !!! Good Stuff Rob!

[@miloanderson2903]

I love old school Spiderman. I miss old school Spiderman.

[@Lancehendrix813]

*”There’s Gonna Be Carnage”*

[@ookie4179]

That's what i told the Chipotle employee as i asked for the bathroom key.

[@lorinsmith9849]

And Jesus said no you cannot borrow my crowbar.

[@KTF0]

Man, this was my heyday of comic nerddom. I remember the issues leading up to Carnage in Amazing Spider-Man they showed the iconic #361 Bagley cover without the logo in the letters page (i think they did that cuz they had so much confidence in the story) me and my dad were like "whoa". I still have the issue where Cletus Kassady got infected in the issue where Spidey fought Cardiac. Great era for comics (Peter David's Hulk, Carnage and Venom, Infinity series, etc.) before they completely crapped the bed with the clone saga.

[@victorr2698]

Carnage= Savage for throwing that baby lol

[@sieyk]

The first time I saw Carnage was in one of the old Spider Man games on the Playstation. Oh man was that scary for a kid. It was one of those chase stages where you just couldn't fight back and all you could do was run for your life. It's the only thing I remember from that game and boy did it drive home just how dangerous Carnage is.

[@TayWTech]

When I started collecting comics, I knew I wanted to start with spidey and the first appearance of carnage issue 361 was my first purchase, amazing story.

[@Shewent2008Jared]

Been waiting for this for a long time! After the recent movie- sad story- i come back here and there it is! The movie was so different from the story i remember! thanks Rob!!

[@PoppieXL]

I so loved the Maximum Carnage crossover series, I still have each of the comic books.

[@theonewhoisbetterthanyou3570]

Maximum Carnage is still one of the most difficult games ever. The animated 90's series arc where they all meet up was great too. Also I cant remember who did this art but it is incredible.

[@ny4lyfe19]

Welp time to break out the snes n get down on some maximum carnage!!

[@SuperShanko]

I had it on Sega!😉

[@poloskier1967]

Adonis Richards Yep i had it on snes too.

[@DaikaijuDiscussions]

I have the Nintendo version

[@Krooksbane]

Green Jelly

[@Liminaltravels]

Adonis Richards emulatorrrrr

[@sisyphus4889]

I remember buying these as a kid. I have been waiting for Carnage and Venom to make a true debut. Spiderman: Maximum Carnage!

[@overlycaffeinatedsquirrel779]

Should try more philosophy of comics Rob, because like you I love how character perceptions/philosophies add a lot to story arcs.

[@ucty222]

I had a second major in philosophy as an undergraduate. The best course of study and the critical thinking/logic courses I use to an extent every day. This is why videos, such as the one of "Integrity," are valuable additions to the videos made. This channel is truly excellent.

[@josephhawk1296]

dude I love your work, as a fledgling comic book enthusiast your Vids help me get ahold of the the complex canon that I feel I need to understand to fully enjoy the universe. Thank you ! and venom is O.G

[@SunGawdRa]

Man.. March of '91. Damn, I feel old. I wonder if the original issues are worth something now?

[@WaitingtoHit]

They are.

[@Alverant]

I got that series when it came out (yeah, I'm old). I remember when Carnage was making this "no rules" monologue at a concert one guy agreed and attacked a teen. Spider-man stopped it. In the next story with robot Spider Slayers Spider-man is saved by a construction worker. It turned out he was that teen's Dad and he felt he owed Spider-man for saving his son. It was a great moment..

[@yungrottz112]

*in my negan voice* Hot-diggity-dog! ya see Rob knows what gets the clicks Hella hulk vids now Carnage coverage....he's out there getting....shit...done! as for my fav symbiote Eddie Brock venom hands down

[@applemansr2688]

Rottz112 that's something Negan would say but in the comics he would add in at least 9 fucks

[@yungrottz112]

ApplemanSR yeah I was going back and forward between comic and TV Negan lol I kept it mild this time

[@kennethmartin8715]

Cletus!!

[@moomimi]

Rottz112 Shit?! WHAT THE SHIT! SHIT

[@Tengu125]

Agreed, Eddie Brock is the best Venom. Also he's my favourite Spiderman villain over all :3

[@realeyesrealisereallies8607]

glad i stumbled on this channel, my dad was a huge comic book collector when he was a kid, he collected mostly Marvel comics. he still has #1 editions of the amazing Spider Man comics. hes got the original #1 editions of a few classics , like the intro of green goblin to the series, dr octopus. he also loved collecting the X-Men comic books. I love ur thorough breakdowns on these comics.

[@GypsyBubba718]

This was my favorite time in Marvel!!!

[@GypsyBubba718]

Rob. YOU ARE THE BEST !!!

[@problemszgarcia7435]

@@GypsyBubba718 my favorite time too

[@Katanaboy14]

I got into your channel because of your in depth discussions about TWD, but you covering my absolute favorite villain? This is just way great! Good stuff, Rob!

[@JusSick24]

Cover all of the symbiots.

[@applemansr2688]

JusSick24 yes

[@33bairdo]

agreed!

[@dennisigawa8141]

JusSick24 how many are there?

[@JusSick24]

Dennis Igawa over 10, I believe.

[@skudzer1985]

TIL there are more than 2 :-|

[@TheQcMad]

In a future video, I'd like to hear and learn more about Mysterio, I never really read comics but i watched the 90's animated spider-man and i loved it. Always been a huge fan of spiderman, watched all the movies and played pretty much every video games, so i'm not a complete newbie but definetely not an expert, i love your videos man they teach me a lot more about the comics than the movies does.

[@louiefillet6932]

I always loved how Venom and Eddie Brock are always portrayed as two separate life forms. The use of the word "We" whenever Venom speaks is fantastic

[@michie123]

"So what I want to do here." best intro line. keep doing this.

[@rhodiumthunderbird]

You keep teasing us with Joker Fish. Just commit to it already.

[@Oree_Nabisko]

OMG, Thank you! Great vid. You're making me pull out my old comics today. :)

[@blamblam889]

I just love love love this channel...

I love the lecture format but integrate it with the music. I do agree the new format has improved and I like how free flowing the videos have gotten. I would love to see do some stuff like you did with your book about comic trends or history or where you feel it should go

[@sir1junior]

This was awesome! Id lime to hear about Maximum Carnage.

[@Orical001]

Rob, mate... your getting better and better at your craft. Thank you for all your hard work...

[@mikegrant814]

🎧The best part of waking up is a Rob video in my cup🎧

[@MrArdhes]

Great vid Rob. i was totaly into this story line, when i was a kid. I still have all Venom and Carnage Comics back from those days. Eddie was the real deal, it's sad what they did to him, all that Antivenom, Agent Venom BS and so on... He (Eddie/Venom) is still one of my favorite heroes in Marvel! Yes, i see him as a hero, because beside the fact he wants to kill Spidey in the early days, he is only up for good. Maybe his methodes are a little bit rough, but oh well i like Ghostrider, Punisher too and they are heroes with a comon sense of Judgment ^^ So thank you again Rob for this video, it brought back so many good memories. ( I voted for a round up of the Maximum Carnage storyline too, it's a master piece ^^)

[@ting280]

dope, so dope, i loved Carnage when i was a young psychopath. he was always one of my favorite characters, i know if they use him Marvel would do an amazing job.

[@MrJonHimself]

More Venom and Carnage please. Two of the most interesting comic book characters ever. I promise to leave a like and a comment on any video featuring these two :P

[@jakeonyt1032]

since we talking Spider-Man can u go over all the symbiotes

[@Waterwolf5555]

My fave symbiote is Scream. Talk about going postal on ur own kind and everybody. Plus the color scheme is absolutely fantastic.

[@edwardbuieii1095]

Rob you should also do the copyrighting fish story

[@jonbaird8835]

Is still have these issues. thank you for including them on your channel

[@applemansr2688]

Jon Baird lucky duck

[@Silenced23]

Is still have these issues? That sentence doesn't make sense. what did you mean?

[@jonbaird8835]

comics come in volumes and issues. what the fuck did you think you were accomplishing by asking that question?

[@crocgator653]

do MAXIMUM Carnage

[@MrKenny1218]

damn you!!! this era was my all time favorite of the Spider-Man series!!! please cover as much as possible!! great video and keep up the great work!

[@blove9415]

i know the story but i enjoy your vids ! Comic Nerds will reign supreme one day lol! nice bro

[@FlareSoul69]

Good job with the explanation... i grew up thru those era and I still have that issue of Spiderman vs Venom vs Carnage.

[@themichael8116]

How about Ultimate Venom? Can we get an episode about him?

[@GreatLordJason]

Oh man! This was when I had a subscription to Amazing and I can't remember if the other Spiderman titles were going then but I was subscribed to those, as well, Spectacular, self titled, etc. I still have all those comics. So awesome. So many memories!

[@MarioGMan25]

Could you do a video on how Joker & Carnage worked together and Batman & Spider-Man had to work together to beat them

[@alecdowns1669]

this was my favorite comic series ever when I was growing up

[@HubPie3]

I was personally really disappointed with Maximum Carnage. It felt like I was reading the same two issues over and over again. Thematically, I love it, but it was poorly executed and went on for far too long with how repetitive the story was. Carnage is still cool at the end of the day.

[@thecringecaretaker8548]

Minimum Carnage was a bit better

[@Oree_Nabisko]

True, but I feel like you can say that about allot of "villain fruition" story's. I always felt like Maximum Carnage had to happen to show people exactly the kind of guy he is. ...and to make the super nintendo game. That's why we haven't seen him running around trying to make teams any more.

[@Ahturos]

If Marvel ever goes into direct to DVD animated movies like DC I hope they make Maximum Carnage, or this story. But shortens it a lot. I agree after 4-5 times of 4 vs 6 and then the fake defeats of Carnage you just want it to end. Have maybe 3 fights and then end it with maybe a end battle bettween Venom who wanna kill Spider-Man but something seperates them.

[@Shinobi6407]

The production of these videos are impeccable

[@slippy1809]

good morning Rob! can you do a video about the xmen and avengers jets? which had better offensive and defensive capabilities? Which would win a dogfight?

[@lesserz6310]

Now you speaking my language, doing my favorite Marvel villain. I know Maximum Carnage will probably be next, I've done read that story a billion times. Look forward to stuff after like Minimum Carnage, Carnage Cosmic, Carnage USA, Deadpool vs. Carnage, and even the current ongoing series. Sitting here waiting for the next chapter.

[@Jeudaos]

I'm going to be completely honest. I never gave two shit about spiderman... Venom and Carnage are FUCKING BAD ASS. I never had any interest in spiderman until venom and carnage. just WAY TO COOL.

[@Jeudaos]

Yep, and that's fine. I just always felt like he was generic. Me personally.

[@Nihilism110]

Guts from berserk is way better than spiderman. To each his own!

[@pious83]

Doc Ock, Venom and Kingpin are the only Spider-Man characters I was ever interested in, never Spider-Man himself. I grew up reading the X-Men, so in comparison to the Mutants he was (relatively) weak power-wise and too whiny.

[@Jeudaos]

pious83 I agree with you to an extent. I also, personally was always a big X-Men fan. it always struck the right cord with me. I think a BIG part of it was the actual 'Mutant' gen. In the x universe the individual powers came as a result of a type of 'evolution' which FASCINATED ME. The fact the, somewhat similar to the FF, Spidey got his powers from an outside source.

[@pious83]

Wodinn Aside from the Punisher and the Hulk, no Earth based hero aside from the Mutants has ever appealed to me. As you say the lore and biology behind Mutants is so interesting. Other than them I tend to gravitate towards the Cosmic Marvel landscape via the Eternals, Deviants, Many Angled Ones IE The high concept stuff. The "men in tights fighting bad guys" I find quite silly and somewhat childish.

[@daniellongoria1662]

Rob you're never boring your videos are not boring they are very entertaining keep them coming keep it up

[@ericafg3746]

venom and carnage will always be my favorite. . excellent video 👍

[@greyborg3846]

I grew up watching Spider-Man the animated series, and watching Venom on that show, and reading about Venom. But for me, I love the concept of Agent Venom. If Flash had to lose the Venom symbiote, I wish the Klyntar would gift him a new symbiote, because Space Knight Venom is just too cool to not have around anymore. Flash could start over with a symbiote that isn't crazy and have a stronger bond then he ever did before with Venom.

[@luckedoutgoat5926]

The s video is so awesome man

[@kiekan]

Well, minus all the thing Rob got wrong, right?

[@DesaigyOuimate]

Thank you for the video!!! Aaaand in case you were considering it: I agree with the other comments about desire for a Maximum Carnage video!

[@JustJay2282]

Rob I am getting sick and tired of having to ask for your outro and intro songs XD. You always have some amazing music playing the background and I can never find it.

[@deazy6453]

Whoo! Sal! It took me a year to go check his channel out after I first heard you mention him, but I definitely don't regret it. You and Sal are my favorite comic book KZbinrs, hands down!

[@ericlpz12]

if I had a nickel for everytime he says quintessential

[@bagginsthemighty]

Thanks Rob, love the late 80's/early 90's stuff!!!!

[@roberth1310]

I want to hear more about Agent Venom. Especially during the Thunderbolts series.

[@mr.jamerton3686]

Yeah.

[@Oree_Nabisko]

Dido

[@Zoefym]

I’m here after the venom movie I watched the end teaser where Edie interviews Cletus and he says carnage is coming I didn’t know too much ab carnage but one thing that I did remember is reading a old beat up comic book my friend had let me borrow during class and it was saying how carnage was stronger than venom and Spider-Man and when Cletus said carnage a flip switched in my head thanks for the explanation

[@Dahmere]

Dude! Spider-Man is my favorite superhero of all time! Carnage is one of my favorite Spider-Man characters EVER! I'm excited!

[@SLegendVA]

I have this comic... read it 1000x, you still made it new to me *bows*

[@darkseid6089]

Eddie Brock venom is awesome. great video

[@timhulak5105]

I love your Spider-Man videos Rob. Keep up the great work!

[@mrnasty5460]

Why cant tom hardy play the human eddie brock and brock lesnier the wrestler play venom

[@rodluvan1976]

"save spider-man comics" LIKE FUCK!

[@michaelbrice5169]

Dude...you a straight up G...thanks for the silky smooth videos...

[@95blckfirebird1]

Rob, you gotta do carnage obtaining the surf board of Silver surfer

[@kiekan]

He doesn't just get the surfboard. The Carnage symbiote temporarily bonds to the Silver Surfer for 2 issues.

[@Htownblokhedz]

I had that

[@kennethmartin8715]

Yes yesyesyesyes!!!! in the summer of 1990 my mother bought me a huge pack of marvel comics from Sam's and this was the very first comic I read was Amazing#345.... thank you Rob!!!

[@dragracer659]

Carnage is my favorite Spiderman villain, one of the creepiest too!

[@eddude7949]

best video in a long time..defiantly best marvel video in a while

[@ahmadhussain682]

Hey Rob will you do some Videos on Dr. Fate & Swamp Thing?

[@travisdk84]

My favorite Venom is Flash. His concept, background story, and struggle with the symbiote had so much potential. Shame they kind of ruined it when they put him on guardians and decided to make the symbiotes some wierd peace keeping race removing the inner struggle. Could have been amazing if they kept flash as venom and brock as toxin. but of course they just cant stop themselves from always going back to the same old status quo Comics can be so frustraiting

[@5TailFox]

Cletus Cassidy reminds me more of Victor Zsazs than he does the Joker.

[@mitchlacasse361]

agreed

[@mitchlacasse361]

although keeping track of the bodies, seems too orderly for Carnage

[@DeathBringer769]

3:30 But you can't deny his face in the top-right panel there is dead-on Joker visually. I almost thought it was Joker somehow in a Spiderman comic for a second, lol. DC x Marvel crossovers have existed in the past so I'm not completely crazy for thinking that for a second either :P

[@abramtreadwell722]

Just discovered your channel a few days ago. Ive been on a total binge. Thanks for posting your videos!

[@mrmackellar3337]

Who else used to call carnage red venom

[@applemansr2688]

Aaron Mackellar me when I was little

[@ny4lyfe19]

Aaron Mackellar just u two.

[@kingchowder981]

Me when I was little

[@axelstoner]

no i watched the show so i called him carnage ... his name

[@somphamisith8567]

Me

[@hikothe14th]

A great time to be a fan of Spider-Man comics back then. Peak qualiy art IMO.

[@Drakalin]

Venom and carnage both a variation of spidey.... but their stronger then him. Feels bad man.

[@castrochris94]

Johnny Lin how many times in comics does only pure Strength matter in a fight

[@SuperShanko]

+Christopher Castro Worked for Hulk.

[@Oree_Nabisko]

Yeah, but every super hero has those. A nemesis that's there double and another that's there opposite. Superman has Bizarro Superman and Lex Luthor, Batman has Cat-Woman and Joker, and Spidey has Venom and Kraven the Hunter. Of course these roles changes and there's multiple of each type, but I'd be surprised to see a hero who didn't have villain that was a variation of themselves.

[@TreyTruth619]

No trio is more iconic then them!

[@JadedDemocracy]

Lmao the copyrighted fish keep coming up somehow

[@dondog1278]

I dont like comics myself, but my friends do. very useful content for book learning assistance, giving me good points of conversation! love a good block of text if thats how you want to do it. Keep up the good work.

[@TheNjack91]

Thumbs up for remasters

[@ephemispriest8069]

Oh hell yeah. Bring on the Carnage! Favorite symbiote? The tech one. Had a story arc of my own thought out years before that run, and when it was gloriously brought to paper I loved it. Seriously, Carnage's rebirth story was great.

[@benjamincapin3979]

am I early!! im too early!! she's the key!!!

[@EDifyer881]

venom's morals kind of reminds me of magneto's morals and also good comparisons to carnage and the joker