The Original Era: Still The Best Star Wars Era?

[@fatboy_jarred6925]

One thing that always surprises me is how accepted the differences between prequel and original yoda are. Side by side they dont even feel like the same character. Empire yoda feels more like a goofy old man who knows more than he lets on to someone so much more serious. I dont see Yoda from the prequels beating r2 with the stick over something

[@thethriftytypewriter]

So true it feels like a completely different character. I guess if you view it as Yoda in his isolation and old(er) age he’s kinda lost it a bit 😂 but it totally feels like a different character.

[@gollumfuck]

Isn’t all that part of an act though? Yoda pretends to be a quirky old coot to test Luke and then becomes serious for the rest of the movie.

[@fatboy_jarred6925]

​@@gollumfuck I dont think he ever becomes as serious as he does in the preqels. Like in the scene where luke says he's not afraid and yoda goes "ohhh you will be" I feel like yoda loses his bluntness.

[@AdrianColley]

The original movie experience of Yoda was that it was a terrible idea, and he was ruining the film the more he was in it (much like Jar Jar, decades later). But we all changed when he dropped the act and did his heel turn. If you see the prequel-era stuff, you're 100% spoiled for the magic of that reveal.

[@king_supreme1102]

That is exactly the point lol. He does know more than he lets on. Then he drops the act and gets down to business. The goofiness was an act

[@Hero_Of_Old]

The Jabba thing was a weird point, because that was a deleted scene originally. Was never in the films originally.

[@4541studios]

And then there's the jaba as depicted in the original marvel comics between films. A tall thin green alien with muttonchops wearing a yellow suit.

[@BHalo98]

It’s a very well put together video overall but he definitely didn’t know that wasn’t in the original cut

[@SterlingWhitehead]

Yeah that was weird. He didn’t know what he was talking about there.

[@RickFruckberry]

That deleted scene was not a deleted scene at all. It was a sort of dress rehearsal where the actor stood in place of Jabba's body later to be changed, edited into CGI Jabba. This was to give the actors a face to interact with during the events of the scene. Then it was edited by computer. This movie was groundbreaking. Both in CGI and closeup models. They built them largely from model kits. Parts of different tank and plane model. That is why they look so detailed. And they perfected the Steady Cam to make the models appear to zoom. Then when they were called back to do Empire (which almost never happened, certainly not a threepeat) they doubled down on what was loved about the original, a heartwarming story with spectacular effects.

[@sallyscrive]

Human Jabba was never present in the Original Trilogy: the scene was shoot, but never used. The character's first appearence in the flesh is in EP6.

[@danieldosso2455]

So... if you watched A New Hope, you'd have heard Luke mention in the "this is how we're going to attack the Death Star" scene, that Luke says "I used to bullseye wamprats back home, they're not much bigger than two meters." Luke has practice making the shot on the Death Star, and is either likely channeling the Force, or Obi-Wan is guiding him.

[@edgaracajabon9522]

No he just learned to let go

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

@@edgaracajabon9522 which means using the Force instead of 'manual' aim.

[@freman007]

@@edgaracajabon9522 Which we are shown earlier when Ben teaches Luke to let the Force guide his movements.

[@d.k.borelli8267]

I think both Rey and Kylo Ren should have been written better. First off, why is our main villian not fully trained to tackle on a rebellion. I get that every character has growth, but if kylo can't even take down Rey, then what good is he anyway other than throwing temper tantrums

[@danieldosso2455]

@@d.k.borelli8267 Kylo was specifically trained by Luke to be the next most powerful Jedi, so Kylo should be nearly Anakin levels of powerful.

[@donovangomez9489]

Luke didn't have "No Training". They specifically say in the film that the T-16 Skyhopper is very similar to an X-Wing

[@russianoverkill3715]

No they didn't, you're just making stuff up. Bullseyeing womp rats isn't the same as piloting in battle situation.

[@donovangomez9489]

@@russianoverkill3715 Biggs says Luke is the best pilot on Tatooine

[@donovangomez9489]

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[@donovangomez9489]

And there is a reference from the official Star Wars website

[@jiggycalzone8585]

​@@russianoverkill3715 so he made a next to impossible shot in a ship that specifically wasn't designed for combat (it kind of was if it has a laser cannon but) and you call him a bad pilot?

[@king_supreme1102]

I must point out, the human version of Jabba the Hutt was not in episode 4. It was a deleted scene.

[@DarthWinterMadness]

There's no human Jabba, the guy in the deleted scene was always supposed to be a stand-in for an alien. Had the tech existed at the time, we would have the scene in the movie as planned with an alien Jabba. Cheers from France! 🍻

[@occam7382]

@@DarthWinterMadness, indeed. In fact, the reason the scene with Greedo has so much exposition on Han is because all of that was transferred from the scene with Jabba because they couldn't get that latter scene finished in time.

[@TheTomconroy]

Yeah that's a very poor comparison since it's not true at all haha

[@king_supreme1102]

@@DarthWinterMadness Nonetheless it’s a deleted scene

[@jasonshaneyfelt1039]

@@TheTomconroy Yes, the emperor appearing different in the original versions of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi would have been a better comparison for the point he was trying to make.

[@graboidfan31]

I'm tired of people saying "oh the ewoks ruin this movie they were only in there to sell toys they're so dumb" when you think about how Luke's interaction with the Ewoks shows how much his character has grown from when he first met Yoda (another diminutive being) in the prior episode you see how it added to the story.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Ive always loved Ewoks

[@NUCLEARDASH]

Also, it works with the Theme, the light side of the force has always been more linked with the nature and its beings. Putting these tiny dudes to beat the machine that is the empire, enforces the theme

[@pisscvre69]

its funny how people see cute characters and say “its just for merchandising!!” while buying every luke or vader or whatever else thing they can get their hands on, its all potentially marketable toy shit but that doesnt mean it doesnt have value in the story it just clearly shows a distain for cute stuff thats baffling to me

[@joeylodes]

Ewoks ruin this movie

[@antonalexander3795]

It should have been wookies

[@MrBigGeorgeo]

Luke was already regarded as a great pilot before the Death Star he was trained

[@RoastedToasted0]

Exactly, the whole bullseye-ing womp rats whilst flying a very fast vehicle is likely a very hard thing to do. People seem to miss a lot in these movies

[@UnrealNeoBat]

Um, flying is one thing, but was he trained to fly and dog fight in a battlefield?

[@MrBigGeorgeo]

@@UnrealNeoBat it’s a fair point you make but I think the movie clearly showed he wasn’t the best in dogfights yet definitely took hits during the battle but his accuracy while flying a fast vehicle was where he was talented in

[@UnrealNeoBat]

@MrBigGeorgeo So then, what's Anakin's excuse in Ep 1?

[@TvB0nYT]

@@UnrealNeoBatpod racing probably and the force enhancing his abilities

[@ZKP314]

“Relax in your X-Wing.” *shows footage of a Y-Wing pilot* Not nitpicking, I just thought it was kinda funny.

[@benstock1146]

Still a prequel guy forever, but the OT is legendary. Still super happy the prequels finally got respect.

[@lightningmonky7674]

Dude same! It makes me so insanely happy I can finally talk to fellow fans who can appreciate the genius of the prequels!

[@randallrutherford1384]

Prequels are the best era of Star wars including the clone wars

[@kierenmoore3236]

Ummm … prequels are better than Disney SW, but that isn’t saying much … Prequel trilogy dialogue is as irritating as, well, sand … lol

[@derekknowles5805]

I still think Episode 2 is the worst of the prequels like Episode 1 better

[@balashibuyeeter2704]

​@@kierenmoore3236what about prequel spinoffs? Clone wars, rebels and all the other stuff

[@jimmyboy131]

The throne room interaction between the Emperor and Luke is one of the most memorable scenes in all of cinema, for me. The emperor's pure evil and hubris is on display, and Luke really struggles against the temptation of the dark side. Plus Ian McDiarmid absolutely nailed the role of a cackling, evil villain who truly enjoys being evil. He even met or exceeded that performance in the prequels, which made Palpatine/Sidious one of the best movie villains ever.

[@roderick8167]

It's still amazing to me how much lore and world building George Lucas and the rest of the crew put into A New Hope which would of course get expanded more in The Empire Strikes Back and subsequent entries in the franchise, like everytime I go back and watch A New Hope I'm always like how did they know to set this up knowing X Y and Z would happen in the future even though obviously they didn't know it would become a franchise that would last close to 50 years they just did great lore and world building in the first movie.

[@thethriftytypewriter]

I always love thinking about how some set decorators and costume designers made this stuff (like Boba Fetts armor) not knowing it would be the basis for so much lore and storylines going forward 😂 A New Hope is certainly an example of how big the domino effect can really be.

[@roderick8167]

@@thethriftytypewriter i know right, the makers of A New Hope were truly space wizards when they made this movie 😅

[@lightningmonky7674]

I get chills when obi wan mentions the clone wars, crazy how George Lucas had it all in his mind

[@tomasjasiunas1911]

Great video overall, the only thing I'd say is there is a difference between Luke and Rey. Luke mentions blasting womprats and depending on the version Biggs also says Luke is "the best bush pilot in the outer rim", I think these can be sorta missed in the excitement, but we also get the Obi wan training scene, which I think is ultimately what lets him succeed, he is told to not trust his eyes, not trust the targeting computer, but instead the force. His victory in that moment and his abilities are pretty well set up, for example he is never mentioned as being a great duelist, we don't see him training to duel and he then loses to Vader. Ray on the other hand had actually 0 training pretty much, I think it's a problem even before the kylo ren fight. Luke is a farmer at the start, he gets ambushed by tusken raider and gets knocked out, Ray is beating people up with her stick from pretty much the start of the movie. In the Kylo Ren fight she holds out and injures Kylo and gets away, now sure Kylo isn't as powerful as Vader probably but still. I think in the end it's how much they rely on the force to win, Luke with little training gets a nudge from the force to hit a lucky shot, maybe improves his reflexes to fly better, Ray with no training gets a random powerup and beats a trained duelist and force user.

[@mkgibertjr]

A trained force user that is leaking oil like a Mazda Miata after a head on collision with an 18 wheeler. I couldn't fight anyone after being shot in the gut, much less after taking a crossbolt to the gut from a weapon that, up until that point, had been essentially a one hit kill weapon.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@mkgibertjrgut shots aren't deadly, and if he had been hit in that manner he wouldn't have been able to fight at all. It's likely that he was wearing armor or utilized the force to soften the blow or something. If he was that fucked up, he would've been on the floor by that point. Also, dumb power scaling moment but Anakin, who was extremely weak beat palpatine in 6. The grandchildren of both characters fight and the injured one with years of training is Anakins grandson, and the one with no training is palpatines granddaughter. Do you understand? If you think about it to any extent it makes no sense

[@mkgibertjr]

@@Jiub_SN Bro was literally leaking 😂

[@russianoverkill3715]

Luke is still mary sue

[@jaieregilmore971]

Also why didn’t Finn win the fight against Kylo? He the only who had soldier training looking how he face that stormtrooper earlier it safe to say he trained to fight lightsaber wielders.

[@plo617]

Boy oh boy. Okay, first thing's first. That Jabba scene (with the human Jabba) is a deleted scene that was only put in the ANH retroactively in the special edition, using the Jabba they ended up actually going with in ROTJ. So your argument really holds no water there. As for Luke blowing up the Death Star. The film set up that Luke was a good pilot, like his father. It is mentioned that the X-Wing was similar to the ship that Luke flew on Tatooine. He said that he used to fly through Beggers Canyon (a small narrow trench) and bullseye womprats that were about the size of the exhaust port of the Deathstar. So the film set up that he had unknowingly developed the skills that he needed in that trench run. And even with all of that set up, Luke made a bunch of mistakes during the death star battle. 1. Luke flew too close to the surface of the Deathstar in his very first act in the battle and almost dies right away. 2. He fails to shake a Tie fighter off, after getting hit and has to be saved by Wedge. 3. Failed to prevent Biggs (his childhood friend) from dying. 4. Vader had a lock on Luke and the only reason why Luke didn't die was because Han came from out of nowhere and saved him, which is what allowed Luke to be able to take the shot; his trust in the force did the rest. Was this anything similar to what happened in TFA? Not at all. For it to have been similar, Luke would've had to single-handedly taken Vader out in a 1v1 aerial battle, in which Luke had never flown a ship before. You probably need to watch the OT again. It may have its flaws, but it was still competently written. Especially compared to anything in the ST.

[@trueblade3636]

^ this comment

[@dylanmorgan2374]

It is still without a doubt the golden era.. it set the standard. Truly legendary

[@Bilbobaggins82242]

luke was always a skilled pilot and was given the job due to his record of skill , he tapped in the force to make the shot....ray used infinit force glitch to channel power to not just block 1 or 2 attacks and get away but match if not out match a sesoned sith who was a skilled lightsaber fighter when ray had never fought with one ever...even luke had basic training with the lightsaber and force before been used AND luke is meant to be one the strongest natural force users there has been

[@thejail_berd8731]

THANK you

[@VisionNx]

dont even need these arguments to disprove his points, but my god they really nail down just how wrong he is about it lol

[@UnrealNeoBat]

So, you're saying if Rey just mentioned she's was trained something by someone like Luke told Han in the Cantina, it would make more sense to you?

[@UnrealNeoBat]

When is it okay to accept a character having to be naturally strong with the force?

[@altulbluo404]

Loking on tfa if we see Rei being good in self defense in beginning of the movie (if i remember correctly there was a brawl scene) it would be much more believable, this film would still have big plot holes and unnecessary scenes but it will be better. And for Luke he was mention to be good driver and marksman, and we see him having basic force training with obi and tanks to this it doesn't look that much out of place.

[@danieldosso2455]

The green lightsaber during filming was specifically because the blue one didn't show up great against the tatooine sunlight. They wanted a bigger contrast.

[@user-ti4hj1fm8s]

Yea and after that it was made a lore thingy to explain it

[@troyami]

Didn’t Luke have pilot training thought?

[@russianoverkill3715]

No?

[@Acrosurge]

@@russianoverkill3715 He did. Luke used to pilot T-16s through Beggar's Canyon on Tatooine.

[@Zach_of_all_Trades789]

It is mentioned that Luke is a good pilot in episode four and fly the real version of the toy that he was holding in a garage seen though trench's on Tatooine shooting animals. So I don't think that it is undeliverable for Luke to blow up the death star. You could also say the Ray had training with her stick thing on Jakko but i still think that it is more unrealistic that ray could defeat Kylo-ren.

[@Awesomeness42102]

Lando being described as Han solo in a different Font is fantastic

[@jefferysterner]

A couple observations about Empire: there was only one flaw, and it's a nitpick I know, but of the entire planet of Dagobah, Luke just happened to crash right into the place where Yoda was living; there was no implication that he found the exact spot due to a Force influence or whatever, which is what I think they should have done to eliminate the need for suspension of disbelief on that one little flaw in the otherwise perfect movie. On another Empire note, as a kid I always wondered what the deal was with Lobot on Cloud City, ever-present like an assistant yet creepily never saying a word, with the odd name and that weird head gadget, in the background of almost every scene with Lando in it. Was he just there so there'd be another action figure to sell? I don't think Lucas ever said anything about it, but when I rewatched the OT in preparation for the release of the prequels, it hit me. In the scene after they put Han in the carbonite, Vader alters the deal and says he will take Chewy and Leia with him instead of leave them in Cloud City like he first agreed, Lando looks at Lobot who looks back with a side-eye. That's when I realized that Lobot probably was meant to represent Lando's conscience, watching him, silently prodding him to have the change of heart that defined his arc. If that truly was the purpose of Lobot, it was so thematically clever and cinematographically perfect. Finally, regarding your statement that Jabba was "just a man" in Episode IV, the scene you showed with the big guy in the scruffy suit talking to Han never appeared in the original theatrical release; prior to RotJ, we only knew Jabba by name mentioned in the first two films. Lucas took that 1977 cut scene and CGI-d slug-Jabba in and added it to the Special Edition release in the 1990s, which I feel like that was a colossal mistake; it diminished the despicable mystique of Jabba to see him outside his lair moving around around like everybody else.

[@marzipanmonkey]

The Jabba inclusion in the Special Editions was enough proof on it's own that Lucas really did need some people around him to just rein him in a little as much as he was a genius for bringing this whole saga to life. Jabba's introduction into the story was perfect as it was and had you intrigued from the moment he was mentioned in the conversation between Greedo and Han to the finale when it looks like Han and Chewie are about to leave at the vital moment because of the debt they're under. Without even showing him on screen already you are already getting an idea of how powerful and a threat he is.

[@SanttuCarlsson]

Dude Yoda smoke weed there that's why he act like a silly little man.

[@oldylad]

I’ve never seen that as a flaw because it was Yoda, and the force does work that way. George’s original intent that you can still see in the films is that the force is sort of guiding people around. You could say the same about R2 and 3PO landing so close to Leias brother

[@oldylad]

@@marzipanmonkeythe only times during the OT he was reined in was with some dialogue that the actors asked to change or improved. The only reason the scenes not in the original cut were added in the SE was because George didn’t have the technology or budget to include them originally, they weren’t cut because someone “reined him in” but for those reasons. I know why this argument exists, but it has ALWAYS been faulty. Star Wars was always an Auteur series with Lucas at the head, and any argument otherwise is an excuse to try and paint the prequels as bad films where Lucas’ ego got in the way despite the fact that the same amount of collaboration with actors and editors occurred. The Phantom Menace was even re-edited because his friends in the industry criticized the pacing in the original cut

[@jefferysterner]

@@oldylad I suppose that's true thanks for adding it

[@melkuen5223]

30:44 this is not really true, because the original scenes that showed Jabba where cut from Episode 4 so they never made it into the movie and audiences never really got to see them in cinema.

[@ИванКорнилов-у7ю]

я их видел!

[@stevendow2878]

Am I missing something? Jabba continuity? Jabba was never in A New Hope. He was discussed. The human actor was a deleted scene that was later used with digital Jabba.

[@TurokRevolution]

There is foreshadowing of Vader being Luke's father in Episode 4. Luke's uncle doesn't wan't to talk about Luke's father and when Beru says that there is just too much of his father in him, Owen says "That's what I'm afraid of." While I don't know if Obi-Wan told them that Anakin became Vader, they know how Anakin got in Episode 2 after his mother died.

[@matthewmaxfield8443]

so one thing I will point out is that Luke received some rudimentary training from Obi-Wan on the flight to Alderaan in force use and he did say that hitting that target is like when he and his buddies would fly around beggars cannyon and bullseye womp rats

[@user-ko3vw7ow8l]

The biggest problem with Rey defeating Kylo Renn in episode 7 is that it takes away Kylo as a threat, Rey's character development and hype for future fights. It's as if Luke Skywalker would defeat Darth Vader in episode 4, Darth Vader isn't this scary villain anymore, Luke Skywalker won't have much room to develop more in ep 5 and 6, the next fights between Luke and Vader aren't intense anymore and the next episodes overall are now a bit boring because the villain isn't a threat.

[@king_supreme1102]

I don’t think the Luke and Rey being untrained comparisons are the same. Luke WAS a pilot. And they do establish that he had experience hitting small targets on Tatooine, similar to the shot he’d have to hit on the Death Star. Still not very believable? Perhaps, but they do set it up a little bit. And Luke let’s the force guide him during the trench run. Which they also set up with the training Kenobi gave him on the Falcon. When he has to deflect the shots without use of his eyes. It was essentially teaching him precognition. Again, maybe not the strongest set up. But it is there. Rey went from 0 lightsaber or force training to using advanced force techniques and winning a fight against a fully trained opponent. There was no set up for any of that, not even a weak one. That’s why she caught the Mary Sue allegations immediately (which she had a REALLY strong case for being). The only explanation for it is “the force”. Which is technically always a reason in Star Wars, but a super weak/cop out reason. And her immediate use of force powers is just the writer doing whatever the hell he wants. Even something simple like Telekinesis is not picked up that easily. Even Jedi masters can struggle with it if they’ve been out of practice. The force powers especially were just blatantly ignoring any sort of rules. These things have always required training.

[@ryanbarth6691]

You know I have a friend named blurry films he made a video on that

[@weebak5933]

People might have also been more forgiving of mary sueish asspulls if there was literally anything else. Going. On.

[@UnrealNeoBat]

I'm not a Rey fan, I don't care about her very much, but it feels like Rey haters are trying to hide something.

[@ryanbarth6691]

@@UnrealNeoBat yeah so do I

[@UnrealNeoBat]

Excuse me for not trusting links. Please get rid of the link, and I'll search it myself.

[@ephor4095]

The Trilogy talked to your brain and heart, the Prelogy to your guts and purse, eventually that's the main difference, not the same times and generation. Great work again, thank you.

[@skaterrabbit2005]

I’m very curious and excited to see the other Star Wars eras you’ll cover! I’m interested which ones you’ll cover. Love your videos man

[@MattJD777]

The fact people even question this in this day and age is so sad. Of course, they were the best

[@MattJD777]

The prequels had a story but lacked fun. The sequels had fun but lacked story. The original trilogy had both!

[@TheEverSoTalented]

The fact that after some 50years of course it would be questioned....but to still remain a positive sci-fi movie (it even got its own genre 'Space Opera') as there wasn't ANYTHING like it before Or At The Time.....yep it was surely AHEAD OF ITS TIME....for sure,even after half a century - not too many sci-fi storys can say that!

[@damianplasencia2708]

In regards to @TheThriftyTypewriter's comments at the 31:48 mark; Luke was already an experienced pilot, who was even trying to sign up to join the Empire/Imperial Academy...In a New Hope he wants to join the Imperial Academy but Uncle Owen says he has to work another year on the farm. George Lucas also added a ton of references to Luke already having been a pilot (Luke owns a T-16, Biggs says Luke is the "Best Bush pilot in the galaky"...obviously he's being generous as any friend would but you get the point. Also Luke mentions in the briefing room that he would bullseye womp rats in his T-16 back home that are about the same size as the shaft in the Death Star.

[@AHousecatnamedBessyJenkins]

Absolutely. Before the sequels, all we had was mostly short stories shrouded in mystery. For me the 90s were the best times to be a Star Wars fan

[@jefferysterner]

The 80s weren't bad either. Combined, 20+ years of agony waiting to find out if your imagination of the clone wars and how Vader came to be was anything like what it would be.

[@briandain8432]

That First Poster shown with the funky painting of the Death Star & Luke pointing the Gun at anyone looking. That poster was in my bedroom as a kid, and was always fun to point out to people how the gun magically follows you. Really sweet effect on a late 70s piece of Art.

[@annademo]

I saw Empire Strikes Back (my favorite of all the films) as an adult and as soon as I saw Luke cut Vader's head off, only to see himself in the helmet, I knew that if Luke actually killed Vader, he would be killing himself. Ergo, Vader was Luke's father. And I was right!

[@emilioaramalvarado3402]

Its great to see someone who actually knows cinema talking in depth about the original trilogy

[@russianoverkill3715]

Bro, he doesn't know that much

[@emilioaramalvarado3402]

@russianoverkill3715 still more than 90% of people who talk about star wars on the internet

[@russianoverkill3715]

@@emilioaramalvarado3402 what about red letter media, an actual cinematographic studio?

[@Euclid_explorer]

Rogue one and Andor are Just *Chefs kiss*

[@russianoverkill3715]

Horrible movie and boring TV show

[@musayibghani3986]

​Bruh

[@runkdapunk8622]

correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the theatrical release of a new hope didn't include the human Jabba scene. all the info discussed in that interaction was communicated in Han's conversation with Greedo, and Jabba himself didn't appear until later rereleases of the film

[@Cobalt_Hitron]

I remember that George Lucas wasn’t even sure if he could get a sequel for the OT so he put the Death Star in the first one but kept the same idea for the latter two movies after A New Hope’s success. Hence two Death Stars.

[@Anakin_TheChosenOne1]

in fact there is a very big difference between Luke's actions being acceptable at the end of episode 4 and Rey's actions at the end of episode 7 being completely illogical. Luke was able to use the force and connect to it to discover the Death Star's weak point. He wasn't facing another force user. Rey, on the other hand, was able to easily deal with Kylo Ren, a user of the dark side in episodes 8 and 9, and beat everything she wanted because the script simply wanted it, including releasing force lightning without any training. the end of episode 7 isn't exactly a problem, since Rey doesn't win the battle itself, but the planet starts to fall apart, the problem is that she's a Mary Sue in episodes 8 and 9. Not even Anakin, the chosen one, won battles without training and not even he learned strength techniques out of nowhere.

[@Bilbobaggins82242]

Was Luke Skywalker a good pilot? Luke Skywalker is one of the best pilots in the lore of Star Wars, and most would say that he inherited his skills from his father. Like Anakin, Luke already had a reputation for his skills with speeders and small tactical ships before he piloted X-wings in space.29 Sept 2023

[@russianoverkill3715]

The amount of mental gymnastics you have to go through to say Luke isn't mary sue, is baffling.

[@Lightning-gg5iu]

@@russianoverkill3715Mental gymnastics? They outright said Luke was the best pilot in Tatooine

[@russianoverkill3715]

@@Lightning-gg5iu ok, tell me the scene where it was said.

[@gdde.gabriel]

​@@russianoverkill3715 Biggs says it before the battle of yavin: "Sir, Luke is the best fighter pilot of the outer-rim territories." It's small, but it's there.

[@russianoverkill3715]

@@gdde.gabriel it's just one line, there is no scenes of Luke actually fulfilling that promise.

[@lebeauleblog6117]

I had to pause the video. You are aware that the original cut of Star Wars didn't include the Jabba scene, right? There's no hypocrisy here. The scenes of Jabba as a human were never included in any cut of the movie. They have only ever been viewed as deleted scenes. The scene was unfortunately put back in for the special edition which completely disrupts the flow of the movie because all of the exposition was moved to the Greedo scene and now the Jabba scene is redundant.

[@frankthepug9242]

"The forest moon of Endor is a very cool planet" This makes sense

[@Jiub_SN]

Prequel era is the coolest imo, the prequels themselves fleshed out the galaxy and was a bit more new looking in general a la the 1950s to the industrial look of the OT's 70s-80s aesthetic. I also like the political stuff, and though the story of the films isn't entirely focused on it it genuinely feels bigger in a way than the OT. The planets felt more alien, the conflict seemed more intergalactic, and the galaxy just generally felt massive. Not to say the OT didn't, but I think George did an amazing job with the prequels and that people hate them without having a good reason to lmao

[@Jablickymorant]

The prequels dialogue is just so atrocious especially the first 2, but even in ROTS there’s some

[@AgentN-s5u]

Ot are better overrall films pacing and scriptwidr

[@musayibghani3986]

No way, the OT era industrial look is way better and more lived in. It feels like a desolate universe. The prequel universe doesn't feel like star wars with its stale cg look. It's all digital and weird looking. Whereas the OG trilogy has this realistic tangibility.

[@joshuarandall8832]

Love your Star Wars content! Would love to keep seeing more!

[@Pencilman246]

I rewatched A New Hope a while back with a similar mindset of “what if I was watching this for the first time with no foreknowledge of anything else Star Wars?” And I came to a similar conclusion. It’s still a really well-made film. The only thing that sticks out to me is how sudden the Rebellion shows up in the third act. We get a lot of views into the Empire, and we hear about a rebellion but suddenly they’re on Yavin 4 to drop off Princess Leia and Luke is suited up for the battle and it’s like…. Ok I guess these are the rebels and they’re about to have a battle all of a sudden. The deleted scene with Luke and Biggs might have eased this by giving us more info on who the rebels are and the fact that a lot of people in the galaxy have to choose between accepting the Empire (and going to the Academy like Luke plans) and running off to join the rebels. It’s also difficult now to separate Star Wars as films vs as entires in this franchise that we all have complex feelings about. Even if you hate Rogue One as a movie (I don’t but I don’t love it either) you now have to accept that it is the canon for what happened immediately before the start of A New Hope. I find that very Interesting. Thinking of them as entries in a franchise vs independent movies of their own is how you get people watching Rogue One and forgetting how boring most of it is and instead coming out of the theater going “wow that was badass when Darth Vader killed all those guys” even if it doesn’t do much for the story or even align with the Vader we see in the next film. And to be fair, I think the same about wise sage Yoda from the OT becoming ketamine frog Yoda from the PT. George did that because “Yoda should be badass” not “Yoda needs to use a lightsaber for story/thematic reasons.”

[@RRL110]

For having been born in the mid 60s I saw the original trilogy in my teen years so for me its easy to see those three films as one unit and the ones that followed years later as inferior and not really ..in my mind part of the original trilogy. Even more so for the last group of new movies.

[@DourFlower]

I'm just catching up on your videos right now but do you plan to do a video on the Sequel era of SW? Just got through this and would enjoy hearing your takes

[@ddyert]

I’m so glad you mentioned the final 1/3 of the movie dragging. I’ve always felt like the movie falls off the deep end once the space battle starts. I’ve never heard anyone ever say their favorite Star Wars line or moment came from that part of the film

[@AnakinGuyChopper]

5:47 I am SO glad to hear somebody else say that the space battle at the end of A New Hope is boring. I have always felt that way very strongly and have never heard anyone else say it until now

[@musayibghani3986]

Wtf

[@negin2882]

Great video. I adore Empire Strikes Back and Rogue One. I agree pretty much with everything you said. Still I wished you mentioned Andor series as well, cause I think it's great and I believe it belongs to the original era. I really wanted to know what your take is about Andor. It's different from every other Star Wars thing I have watched partially because it's not stacked with cheap cameos and starts slow and yet has great pay offs. I know there's still a final season two which hasn't come out yet but imo season one was truly amazing.

[@Adeniyidairo]

31:52 Wait, Luke was an experienced pilot, so he did have some training as a pilot to a degree. Great video.

[@championlotus]

I think its more believable that Luke could destroy the death star despite not being a super experienced pilot then it is for Rey to beat Kylo Ren. I compare Luke fighting Vader in ESB and how he really stood no chance. Obviously Kylo is not on Vaders level but its the same sort of line up. I also think about Anakin flying in the Phantom Menace and how he destroyed the separatist ship. He had never flown before but somehow managed to pull that off. I think Star wars has always shown us that even a novice with the force can use it to greatly increase their piloting But i do agree there are things in the originals such as the Jabba change or Leia and Luke being siblings reveal that people would be more critical of in a movie today. I grew up with the Jabba that it was changed to, i had no idea Jabba was ever different until a few years ago but thats just when i was born

[@JTTTTT850]

Vader hallway scene was the biggest impact a movie has had on me as an adult. I never thought i would see new vader content much less something so badass. I’ll never forget it

[@RA10H56]

Have to agree, Rogue 1 made me feel like a little kid and I was back in the drive in watching empire...

[@busiestnebula5186]

well the thing is luke and rey both kind of had training luke was a very experienced pilot with a ship that had almost the same exact controls as the x wing and said he could hit womprats with it for fun basically without knowingly using the force which are smaller than the target he was aiming for on the death star with the force and rey used a staff pretty well before using a lightsaber which is kinda similar

[@redbeardkingdom6890]

Ah yes, a non TWD Typewriter video....still fantastic quality!

[@linejumper8204]

Yes. I was one of those six year olds in the theater when episode 4 dropped in this galaxy.

[@VisionNx]

no dude, you actually can criticize rey. back when the force awakens came out, i initially didnt like her beating kylo, but i eventually came to terms with it, using the same reasons you laid out, but then the other movies came out and it became very clear she is just a giant mary sue, and the arguments for her being able to do anything dont fucking matter anymore. sorry dude youre wrong lol

[@voodooomega4387]

Great Video! Also, you're really good at Battlefront.

[@michaellutes1057]

32:14 time stamp. I have an argument for the point you bring up, and that is that Luke already mentioned he was a great pilot, his friend already commented on his skill at aiming, and they had all seen the schematic. So with that it’s still a little stretch to believe he could do that, but not equal to the ray v kylo scene which had no setup of her being a competent fighter in anything else but against common thugs. It’s also argued that it was because kylo was injured, but that wasn’t clearly shown as he was still able to defeat Fin with no issue, and he was a trained fighter. (Who also was later shown to be force-sensitive, so you can’t make the argument that ray was bjust using the force to beat him…)

[@Roger00100]

I thought so also, because didn't a pilot say that blowing up the death star was impossible, and Luke said something about shooting womprats while flying a ship. So Luke did have knowledge and use of piloting

[@briandain8432]

It's weird but not until Rogue One and the Detail shown about the Sheild & Gate that I realized in ROTJ they referred to it for the Moon of Endor, but just skipped it (probably too costly in 1982). The Big White Star Destroyer used for close-up shots cost about $35,000 in 1979.

[@Abridgimation]

Original Trilogy and the Clone Wars Animated Series are peak Star Wars imo

[@Platypotosaurus]

A comprehensive review that completely overlooked the Solo movie. Despite the 3rd act of that movie being lackluster, I thought it was a pretty competent movie that did a lot of worldbuilding for disney star wars. I wish more people would give it a chance

[@TheTraps915]

Missed you, Thrifty! Love your content!

[@randallrutherford1384]

VERY GOOD VIDEO BRO!!! LOVE THE INCLUSION OF ROGUE ONE!

[@ryanmoore4130]

the ewok celebration, the rancor, the coldest version of luke skywalker and .. *leia* definitely tricked my kid brain into thinking this was the best in the trilogy for a long time

[@nicoleg2544]

For most people, Star Wars began with the original trilogy. For me, it began with ‘Star Wars: Storm In A Glass’, a Russian parody dub of the Fantom Menace, centered not around the blockade of Naboo, but of a local disagreement over who that the rights to the manufacture of illegal moonshine and vodka. It is somehow both the best and worst thing that I have ever watched.

[@villainphantom]

i just have to say 1 blaster blot hitting the deathstar reactor makes way more sense because Luke tapped into the force to direct his shot. Rey just learned how to be fully trained jedi out of nowhere so its not the same at all.

[@LawTzuTao]

I disagree with a lot, but your delivery and intellectual honesty is what I respect most. My kind of fan!

[@smoke264]

In your critique starting at 31:30 Sorry if this has been said already, but the main difference between episode IV Luke and episode VII Rey is that during the movie it is implied Luke has had some flight training, if you combine the comment aunt Beru mentions that Luke has a lot of his father, combine that with the image old Ben mentions that Anakin was a great pilot, and Luke´s comment before the death star attack where he states he has bullseyed womp rats back on Tatooine; all this implies he´s had some sort of training or at least knows how to pilot an armed ship, unlike Rey who effortlessly does everything right during the whole movie. Not gonna lie, the maintenance she performs on the falcon is ok given her experience as a scrapper has made her know a bit about ship parts, but beyond that the comparisson is a bit unfounded

[@whitleypedia]

The Jim Henson Creature Shop stuff in Jedi is overwhelmingly awesome. No matter how much BTS stuff I've seen, I've always felt that Ackbar and Jabba were real people.

[@ksjcardinal4052]

Thank you thrifty your videos and the time you take to make them I appreciate that so much and you for talking about these movies and shows, game’s everything I like you cover thank you ❤

[@thethriftytypewriter]

❤️❤️❤️

[@verndexter]

Jabba was a cut scene in new hope and the Jabba as a guy wasn’t in the theatrical cut or old vhs release

[@ArcRogerr]

Andor is probably the best recent thing to come out of this era. Odd that you kinda just glossed over it.

[@freman007]

Anakin was supposed to have been the literal messiah of the Force, but still took years for him to master it. Raw talent is nothing. There are millions of people with talent. You have to learn to focus that talent, to study, to work, to train. In a deleted scene Biggs called Luke the best bush pilot in the outer territories. Luke had skills. He wasn't good at everything (like Rey) but he was good at the things he needed to be good at for the story to work. We also had Ben mention that Luke's father was the best starpilot in the galaxy, and that Luke was something of a pilot himself. We have Luke state that he's a good pilot to Han. We have Luke demonstrate that he's a good shot on the Falcon, and appears good enough that it surprises Han. Luke receives a small amount of training in the Force by Ben. Enough to learn to let the Force guide his actions. Rey is never given even that small amount of setup. She's just "the bestest ever" without that fact ever being justified in the story. That's why Rey is a Mary Sue, and Luke is not a Gary Stu.

[@freman007]

Leia was not intended to be Luke's sister. Luke's sister was originally intended to be a previously unknown character who'd get her own trilogy, but Lucas got tired of making Star Wars movies and decided to rest on his millions. So instead the last minute Leia reveal.

[@freman007]

Basically what you're pointing to as "hypocrisy" is actually two different characters being portrayed in two different ways.

[@alecjoncas7764]

I didn’t like rebels that much at first, but now it’s actually one of my favorite things to watch, with maul, ahsoka, Thrwan and kanan. I mean that scene where kanan died shocked me

[@lightningmonky7674]

Its honestly pretty crazy how much Ewan resembles Alex, I can see an old Ewan looking a lot like his original series counterpart

[@Death_Troopers]

This was an amazing video but you were two eased for Rogue One and Rebels.

[@ajdavis3607]

32:05 Imma just say, Luke stated that he was shooting womp rats in his t-16, claiming that he has practice and experience doing something similar to hitting the death star shot. In addition to this, we see him training his (imma just call it this) senses amplification with Obi-Wan, so we know he has at least trained that as well. I don't think it's necessarily having it both ways, but we can see that Luke has more training and experience than Rey for their respective tasks.

[@ThisLiberalPopulist]

Really enjoyed this and the previous PT videos, not sure if you’ll do an ST video at some point, but think lots of us would definitely enjoy it. And looks like lots of the toxic SW haters pretending to be “fans” got riled up for being called out for their grotesque hypocrisy and blatant lack of self-awareness when it comes to the OT. Just plain old haters who will ALWAYS be nothing but FAKE “fans”. Keep up the great content, esp SW if you’re open to it.

[@Wooooosaaaaaa]

I went to film school too and never once didn't anyone ever talk about Star Wars :/❤

[@briandain8432]

I learned from Gary Kurtz, who produced ANH & ESB but not ROTJ because George was never happy with the destruction of the Death Star, so now's the chance to do it better. Like Jabba's Court redeeming the low-budget Cantina scene, or because Chewy was too technically proficient Wookee became Ewok, and George got his metaphor of Vietnam.

[@sharonpopolow6874]

It's all about the characters- their acting, their dialogue, their development, their personalities... The prequel characters were mostly flat. The sequel characters had personalities, but were poorly written. The OGs? PERFECT.

[@canebatman0]

I always loved the original trilogy, the republic era probably is in therms of quantity the best, but the original films are still the best. The real problem with the sequel is not the idea and the story (fans get into a lot of trouble pretending that those films are completely trash, they look at every little detail and find an excuse to say that everything is wrong) the real problem is the realization and banal writing, because only Kylo Ren and Rey came out well in terms of story, it would take TV series like The Clone Wars and Rebels to make people like those films

[@correctopinion4708]

30:00 you are severely mistaken. jabba is a human in a DELETED SCENE that scene of han and jabba walking wasn't added until the remastered version so in the theatrical release jabba was a mysterious figure until return of the jedi

[@kyleOWillFixIt]

One thing I wish I could do relating to Star Wars is completely wipe it from my mind so I could watch it all (or at least the good stuff) for the very first time in chronological order. Like watch episode 1 and 2 then clone wars, then episode 3 then the original trilogy etc. I think it would be an awesome way to experience it, and if I were ever to show someone Star Wars who had never seen it that's how I'd do it.

[@ParallaxSound315]

31:00 it wasn't a problem with the original trilogy, because the scene with Jabba being just a normal person was never IN the original movie. It was filmed, and cut. The only version of that scene that's ever been actually PART of a release of the movie was edited to have Jabba be the sluglike creature we've always known him as. 32:00 I don't entirely disagree with your take, BUT Luke does also mention specifically that he and Wedge used to shoot womp rats back on Tattooine, which were roughly the size of the exhaust port, when arguing for the plan to attack the Death Star

[@ryanmoore4130]

20:28 I love rebels but the idea of a clone wars type show for the original trilogy characters between movies would be so cool

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

I grew up on the Prequel Era and adore it, but the Original Era just is the best. Because you have to be a fan of additional pieces of media like The Clone Wars and The Bad Batch to truly appreciate the Prequel Era. There is beauty in simplicity. You can watch Rogue One, A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of The Jedi without any additional media necessary.

[@eternalhalloween1]

All that really matter are A NEW HOPE, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, RETURN OF THE JEDI, PHANTOM MENACE, ATTACK OF THE CLONES, REVENGE OF THE SITH, and ROGUE ONE.

[@musayibghani3986]

Phantom Menace and Attack of the clones are terrible

[@TheNotoriousGag]

It’s pretty well explained that Luke was already experienced enough to be a good X-Wing pilot, and he only channeled the force for that one single shot. Whereas Rey went toe-toe completely inexperienced with a Sith who’s been in training since he was eligible to be trained and won, injury to Kylo or not. Whereas Luke with some force training and some lightsaber experience, but not any lightsaber duel experience, not only lost convincingly in his first duel against Vader, he also lost a hand.

[@jc3teacher265]

Love the topic!

[@LadyhawksLairDotCom]

I loved the trench run in the original _Star Wars_ film when I saw it in 1977. In most _Star Wars_ video games in which one could fly, it was also my favorite part. I also liked flying into the second Death Star, although I thought having a second Death Star was super derivative, even back in 1983.

[@TvB0nYT]

Please more Star Wars please- the lore diving from the prequel & original trilogy added to my already existing love of the series

[@Lucifer_isthereal_god]

I'll take the Prequels over the OT any day. I get thats still controversial but they're so much more memorable to me.

[@totallytravicious]

Just wanna say, clone wars is an anthology show. All the episode orders are all over the place and they will just focus one arc over the course of several episodes. They could have done this with the OT crew, jumping from between 4 and 5 and between 5 and 6, then they could really do whatever they wanted. I know its not as ideal but idk just a thought.

[@andrewfuller2857]

banger. you earned a sub

[@fuzzytalz]

In fact, Jabba the Hutt never appeared as a human in any of the commercially-released Star Wars films. The docking bay confrontation scene between Han and Jabba and his retinue was filmed with a human standing in for a special effects Jabba, planned to be inserted in post production. However, Lucas ran out of time and money and the scene was cut from all versions of A New Hope until the Special Edition, wherein digital Jabba was added (at least two times, with varying degrees of success).

[@Paidonthedaily]

I loved the spacebattle part. I really enjoyed at the tine. Seeing what looked like (for the time period) real space. Its probably a generation thing. If you had not seen it before, seeing spaceships blaze around in space was mind blowing when it was fresh and new. I agreed with almost all your views though. There is definitely too much teaming up with all the trilogys. When really we should just be thankful a lot of them were so good.

[@BLUEDELUCA]

I was 4 when Star Wars came out, it pretty much defined our childhood for 8 years. If we weren’t watching the films, discussing them we were playing with the toys all day or role playing outside. Even though Atari existed video games were not really prevalent so we immersed ourselves in a galaxy, far, far away. There is this deliberate narrative put out by Rian Johnson after The Last Jedi was trashed that EMPIRE was not critically well received and if made today would face backlash just on how much Luke failed, alone. So absurd, EMPIRE had very few critics and the ones that were trashing it as “childish” were taken out back by the likes of Roger Ebert and beaten. EMPIRE stands alone as a great film, it made many kids of my generation want to become film makers. Its the one i have watched the most and the reason in my opinion that there is this passionate fan base that is appalled and insulted by what Disney has done. We tolerated the prequels but the new trilogy? Fuck that garbage and its telling that JJ has stated that he was a Return Of The Jedi fan more than EMPIRE. Even at 10 years old the Ewoks and the battle on Endor made me cringe. Tarzan Chewie, rocks vs armoured troopers and vehicles and under utilized Han Solo help me move on from Star Wars toys. There were cool moments in JEDI and the over all ending of the character’s storylines was good…..especially Luke’s because i dint think people remember that he was not a beloved character up to the release of EMPIRE, he was always thought of as whiney but by the time JEDI ended he became pretty bad ass.

[@SpenceyWencey-tz7lp]

Just want to point out that based on the (still canon) comic runs set between ANH and ESB or ESB and RotJ, the storytelling possibilities aren’t REMOTELY limited.

[@catmeow11111]

Rewatching the original trilogy with my kids, I was surprised how much I enjoyed Return of the Jedi despite my dim view of it. Totally agree with 8/10. And yeah, I always wondered how they immediately assume Luke was competent fighter pilot and let him fly an X-Wing.

[@xMCKx24games]

The difference between Luke and Rey is that Luke had a little force training from Obi-Wan and had flown a similar ship, and his accomplishment wasn't physically fighting a long trained and experienced force user, it was more of an internal battle