The Origins of the American Civil War | Debunking Lost Cause Narratives

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[@tomjones3787]

Great video I would like to know your thoughts on the confederate flag actually being a American Indian flag? I have been coming across books talking about white slavery in America and also so-called black slave owners before the Civil War and during the Civil War thank you

[@kennethknoppik5408]

You're descended from a Civil War General fought and died at Gettysburg?Wow Regardless of what side he fought on the fact he participated important history our country is pretty impressive. You should be proud very interesting family history. Thanks for sharing

[@kneelingcatholic]

TJ, what is a 'so-called black slave owner'? Btw the hated Confederate battle flag borrows it's distinctive "X" design from Scotland's St Andrew's Cross.

[@prettysunshyngrl]

This is a very small detail but I appreciate the respect given to the humanity of my ancestors and referring to them as "enslaved people". Thank you.

[@ashakir622]

This is slowly but surely becoming the norm. When acknowledging their status in bondage, we have to constantly remind ourselves that they were humans despite being regarded as property.

[@faybyshe]

Why? Does it make any difference to “your ancestors” what they were called? More woke nonsense 😮

[@eliscanfield3913]

One of my professors would say something like "Yeah, it was about states' rights. The right to do what? To own slaves."

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Exactly.

[@philmccracken7520]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 and again tell me what was delaware fighting for ? Please ? oh thats right Union ! and again North had Genrals and soliders that owned slaves odd isnt it ! Kind blows your myth out water ! but again you nor kevin would never debate this and even when shown something that is true , you like Kevin ignore or hide . OH all that cotton that was grown and picked tell me , you or kevin , where did it go Mostly ? Oh thats right to factories of the North ! Northern Industries benfit from slave grown and picked cotton !

[@sammydasilva6152]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 The man in the old photograph has the same lips/mouth like you. So, there is a resemblance to your ancestor here. Do you have mixed feelings about him?

[@gisha6791]

@@philmccracken7520 do you want your slaves back?

[@tylerjerabek5204]

@@philmccracken7520 Delaware has a different climate and no large plantations, therefore very few slaves

[@civilwarwildwest]

Here's a fun little challenge: choose the secession declaration for any Southern state and do a keyword search for "tax" and "tariff", see how many results come up, and THEN search for "slave" and see how many returns that one gets :)

[@YogiBear-sc7wc]

Agreed. Slavery was just part of the problem. why did they fire on Ft Sumpter?

[@matthewcates2337]

To your point about duty, with you 100%. My direct ancestors owned slaves and fought for the Confederacy. I’ve felt the same way as you my whole life

[@louhortonsculpture]

I completely agree with your stance of wanting to correct all the lies. I’m also descended from men who fought on the wrong side, and I learned a colorful array of lost cause narratives as actual, and sometimes as the “real” and “suppressed” history. I was over 30 when I learned that the lost cause story was written with the full knowledge of deceiving the future generations of the south through public school boards. So I also decided to talk about this subject as much as possible.

[@kneelingcatholic]

Hello, Lou! I respectfully disagree with you. I don't think our grandmothers who put up those memorials were the evil people modern scholars make them out to be. I think they did the best they could with what they had. Maybe, if they had been born up north, they would have had more loyalty to the federal government and less loyalty to their local governments and to their families. It is the latter loyalty, ie to their families, that has made our grandmothers the target of so many modern whiteguys, like KEVIN, who want to prove something. I have to wonder how you feel about the mayor of Madison WI going into a CEMETERY to remove memorials to Confederate soldiers who died in a Union POW camp nearby... www.wpr.org/madison-mayor-orders-confederate-monuments-removed-cemetery Perhaps you and I might agree that that is taking 'correcting all the lies' too far?

[@louhortonsculpture]

@@kneelingcatholic I do appreciate your question and engagement. I don’t think it’s a betrayal to question north vs south/ there were anti-slavery people everywhere and many admit the institution was no longer profitable and was on its way to dying out naturally. Unless that’s just more “state’s rights” propaganda! Because we also never talked about how the 13tj amendment justified and legalized slavery as punishment. I wonder how much is “that’s the way it was back then” versus, perpetual human slavery and human trafficking is the most horrible and wrong thing one can allow to exist?

[@kneelingcatholic]

Lou, I ALMOST agree with you 100%....about human trafficking/slavery.... Let's not tolerate it!! As you know, being a Southern lady, most Southern people back then were Christians whose consciences very much bothered them about slavery's brutality, its splitting up families and its deligitimizing slave marriages AND there were many, like General Lee, who looked forward to slavery fading away. BUT!! as even Levin points out around 26:55, fears about Yankee politicians igniting a Haiti/ Rwanda style race war in Southern living rooms drove Southerners to put their humanitarian concerns on the back burner and move the life-death concerns for their own wives and children to the front burner. Haiti had recently ended slavery with the extermination of their white people. Not even Abolitionist Southrrners were willing to risk that. If it might take a Rwanda style race war to end slavery, then that was a bridge too far for them. Not so for modern whiteguys like Kevin. What he doesn't consider is that, had the radicals had gotten their way, their racial Armageddon would probably have gotten most of America's blacks killed and the remainder deported. Please recall that Deportation was Mr Lincoln's pet idea for solving racial strife. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWK7iKRmlLWSnqs

[@louhortonsculpture]

Fear is a great motivator. Fear of equality is what really keeps the south voting Republican since the party switch in the 60’s. I understand your point, I understand the many ways people justify atrocities to themselves. Fear also prevents us from imagining more equitable outcomes. Doesn’t matter how smart the negotiators are, one guy running around spreading rumors of war and revolt is going to get active forces lined up behind him. Fear the south wouldn’t join the Union is what lead to the 3/5 compromise. Fear of those revolts is why it was illegal to speak native languages or learn to read, it also lead to the fugitive slave act, I mean the act in which escapees must be returned to their torturers. If the enslaved could just cross the mason Dixon line and be safe- they may be bold enough to revolt. Fear is not a good place from which to make a decision, but is the easiest way to control a population politically. Those southern whites were are considering here will vote and fight for the most powerful and most wealthy because we are so easily manipulated by fear. That’s why I’m so mad. The fear is justified every which way- to avoid the fear that others will judge us without all these considerations.

[@tyrantsmisery]

Lincoln momentarily harbored the idea of sending free black men and women to Africa for two reasons. 1) he genuinely thought it was what they would want, and 2) because he had deep concerns that though free former slaves would have a hard time being accepted into society. He abandoned this idea after talking to Frederick Douglas and realizing no one had actually asked what the free former slaves would actually want. These people viewed themselves as Americans. They no longer had ties to Africa.

[@thinkinaboutpolitics]

Everybody's family is on the right and wrong side of history from time to time. The better question is always what side will we be on and why. Glad you are taking the topic on!

[@DAYBROK3]

as a descendant of a family that stayed with the british during your independence war. in one way on the right side on another one the wrong side.

[@TorianTammas]

We are not responsible for the decisions of anyone but our decisions. So it is just history. We are related to many people and it depends on how wide the net we cast. Some may have been good people, some may have been horrible people. History is not an ego trip. Ancestors lived not to boost our ego hundreds of years later or to feel connected to something. We have to live our life Today.

[@HistoryOfRevolutions]

"I have always found that mercy bears richer fruits than strict justice" - Abraham Lincoln

[@thomasbrittinghamjr.8508]

OK. I've had the direct quote deleted three times and a link to a website containing a very interesting Lincoln quote deleted. Let's try this: type the following words into your search engine of choice and peruse the results. "Lincoln", "voting", "blacks", "political equality".

[@Flergenbergen]

He was wrong. Should have hung all the traitors, and utterly destroyed their perverted southern culture forever. Then we wouldn't have all these problems with Trump today.

[@trugrit7210]

@@Flergenbergen amusing considering I see less racism in the south. In the south Blacks and Whites have more in common than in the north where everyone stays in their self segregated areas.

[@truth5705]

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races---that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." - Abraham Lincoln

[@truth5705]

"I would save the Union. ... If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." - Abraham Lincoln He was indifferent to issue of slavery with regard to saving the Union

[@avenaoat]

Those slave system states which had less% than 20% slave population remained in the Union as Maryland, Deleware, Kentucky, Missouri and gave more soldiers to the Union than to the Confederacy! The low% slave populated West Virginia sceeded from Virginia in 1863! The less% slave populated County in Mississipi Jones County secceded from The Confederacy and joined to the USA! The less % slave populated County in Alabama Winston Counthy secceded from the Confederacy and joined to the USA! The low% slave populated East Tennessee secceded from the Confederacy and wanted to join to the USA. The low% slave populated Ozark region gave unionist soldiers in Arkansas. The ProConfederate area was the Little Dixie region in Missouri with high % slave population. In Maryland the proconfederacy area was higher slave populated regions. The higher slave populated regions had a strong effect either family, friendship connected or economial connected methods to the white people change to be proconfederate. The non slave holding families had family connection with slave holding families or the two types families were in friendships. The economial connections mean the teachers, lawiers, bussinies men, shop owners, farmers who produced food to the cotton plantations, etc who had not any slaves were connected to the plantation economy. The two groups were proconfederate sentiment against not to have any slaves! The exceptions are few: Kentucky had some counties, where the slave population was higher and the white people were prounionists or some low % slave populated counties as Polk or Sulivan were proconfederate in Tennessee! This shows an strong correlation higher % slaves gave higher % proconfederate white people from county to counties! Unionist white soldiers in the Confederacy ( I do not know the Navy numbers but Rear admiral Farragut arrived from East Teenneessee!) Alabama 2,700 Arkansas 9,000 Florida 1,000 Georgia 2,500 Louisiana 5,000 Mississippi 545 North Carolina 10,000 Tennessee 31,000 Texas 2,000 Virginia and West Virginia 21,000-23,000 The 200 000 colored soldiers and the 100 000 white Southern unionist soldiers had important effect to the triumph!

[@MWhaleK]

The War of Southern Aggression is what it should be called as the North was mostly content to keep slavery from expanding. The leadership of the South on the other hand understood that Slavery HAD to expand or it would die chocking on it's own waste and failures, so rather than changing or trying to fix the problems they doubled down on it and pushed all the harder to expand. The Southern elities pushed for the breaking of previous agreements to limit the expansion and there were threat of violence in congress.

[@avenaoat]

Funny, but I think the Dred Scott verdict was a violation of the state rights of Northern States by the Southern judges to forbid the citizenship for the (exslave) colored people!

[@MarcosElMalo2]

I agree, it was because the slavers wanted to expand their economic system. Not so that slavery would survive, but for $$$. Why would it die if it didn’t expand? I’ve never got a satisfactory explanation. No, expansion meant creating new markets to sell slaves in newly acquired territories.

[@MWhaleK]

@@MarcosElMalo2 It was about growing Cotton and Cotton, especially when farmed intensively, fairly quickly sucks a lot of the fertility out of the soil resulting in diminishing returns. From what I have read, by the time of the Civil War most of the plantations in the oldest Slave state made their money selling slaves that grew up there to places further South/West.

[@commonleadership48]

@@MarcosElMalo2 I would be happy to explain it you would be willing to listen. You frame it as economic; I frame it as political. Each new state would have congressmen and senators with voting power. The more free states entered the union, the votes against slavery and any other laws favorable to the North/West. Southern politicians knew this. Certainly, the preservation of slavery was central to the argument, but the ever increasing power of the federal government led to secession.

[@kaarlimakela3413]

I'm very lucky. I was raised in Detroit. From the 3rd grade, about 1962, we lived in a mixed, but mostly black area near Wayne State U. I was taught the facts by Mom and also my classmates. We saw Black History filmstrips in the auditorium. I asked questions and mostly I listened. Now I understand how these southern myths in the post civil war world are rationalizations. Yes some people lack information, but others know better. There has been a denial so long people who can't let go are going crazy. Obtuse or delusional, it's unhealthy for everyone.

[@suziecreamcheese211]

Have you been back to Detroit lately? Lol.

[@davidgreene6976]

​@@suziecreamcheese211 🤡 Clown saids "Stop your petty B.S."We want peace'". Clown here to battle.Yo clown wants a answer from you,NOW!! 🤡Yo.

[@Joey-b8w]

@@suziecreamcheese211this was an interesting story. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYWchZSHmLyWfNUsi=M5YDmOHxq3yHNbo7

[@dustinbennett3297]

This is going viral! A proud Kentucky hill billy here. Keep spreading truth guys! Love y'all. God bless!

[@davidgreene6976]

🤡 I'm here to cakewalk in white face and tell your hillbilly friends to stop calling me a racist!

[@mollywithak1697]

I grew up being taught the Lost Cause narratives, which I’ve only been unlearning it the past few years and examining American History from a more objective lens. Understanding the Civil War and slavery is in many ways the key to understanding Institutional Racism that permeates so much of our society today. Thank you for this, it was really interesting!

[@mollywithak1697]

I’m 18 btw, so I think it’s arguable that there’s some areas where the Lost Cause Narratives are thriving, but less so on an institutional level (textbooks, etc)

[@twothreebravo]

In the past I've heard the "State's Rights" line from many Confederate apologists and have always countered with "State's right to do what exactly?" Glad to know I have actual historians backing me up who feel it's completely appropriate to ask the exact same question because it's a BS line to begin with. Another outstanding video and interview, thanks for bringing it to us. Also, thanks for owning up to your family's past and using it as a way forward for education and discourse.

[@DrWongburger]

Historical consensus is not so cut and dry I am afraid. Like any field, there are biases, external pressures, and a whole swathe of influences that go into interpretation of history. Historians, particularly the fellow being interviewed in this episode, make their livelihood off their research and publications. In his case he is selling a book. Just because they defend their point of view doesn't mean it was ever any closer to fact from fictionalization. Historians are known to manipulate primary sources to interpret anything they wish out of them. I should know, I've seen it first hand, but that's just how it works withing scholarship you see. Try a different perspective and see where it takes you. You may be surprised, or you may become more resolute in what you already know. But know this; People do not fight wars for any one reason. Such a thought is a juvenile interpretation disguised as scholarship when in reality, it simply serves to line the pockets of people who work in academics. Surely you have lived through a few wars, perhaps from afar perhaps closer than comfort. Tell me, why did we enter these strange wars like in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it's for any one particular reason? I think you know the answer to these questions. War is too great of importance to treat with such casual indifference. This country died in 1861 when it ceased to be a republic and begun it's transformation into an empire. Say it ain't so, but at the end of the day the federal government forced another nation of people into an unholy union of centralized government built upon bloodshed, destitution and total war. If that's not the depiction of a conquering imperialist nation, then I don't know what is. The historical mythology these professor novelists propagate about the benevolence of Lincoln and the "republican" government begin to appear that much less credible I hope. The disease didn't end with the conquered people of The South however, as I'm sure you know being interested in history. Our leaders have since then evoked the myth of national defense, in collaboration with media moguls like William Randolph Hearst. With the fourth estate, the government sent this dog and pony show worldwide, much to the terror of the rest of the world. This country has abused the symbol of the noble citizen soldier, to fight wars for special interests that serve not the American people, but the select few pulling the strings of the federal government such as J.P. Morgan in WWI. Young men, entire generations sent to fight and die horrifically in foreign wars to protect wealth and investiture. That's a bloody nightmare but that's just one world war. The Philippines, Cuba, forced trade on Japan through fear of destruction, contributed to the illicit trade of opium in China, eventually joined the world's empires to fight against the Chinese Boxer rebellion to secure said illicit trade. The list goes on of course, Korea, Vietnam, CIA meddling in central and south America, the middle east, hell this bastardized country even imports dangerous drugs into it's own borders, utilizing federal agencies such as the FBI and CIA! You tell me with a straight face how that is intended to truthfully represent and serve the people of this nation. I certainly didn't order these drugs, hell I didn't even get a cut of the pie or a snort of a line. Jokes aside, I bring this up not to absolve the flawed system of slavery in The Old South. Slavery is an inherently degenerative institution, one that does little to benefit the working people of any nation where it is present in. It contributes to the inequality of wealth distribution and it is my firm belief that the South was close to banning the practice on its own terms. This, due to technological and industrial innovations as well as labor practices emerging through the late 19th century. Keep in mind, it's not cheap to own slaves, most of the slave owning Southerners owned fewer that 10. Slavery as a method of labor was originally meant to serve as a temporary labor solution, as were indentured servants. Eli Whitney and his cotton gin shook that idea up. In what can only be described as an economic phenomenon, the viability of growing cotton exploded as the market created new found opportunity to those who had enough capital. As far as long term viability of labor, slavery simply is not. The writing was on the wall especially as southern populism began to take root, which was the precursor to the greater American populist and labor movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Surely emancipation would have taken many more years, but such a delay would have been necessary for a peaceful and prosperous transition for all parties involved. Freed slaves before the Civil War were offered holdings of their own, and a nation, Liberia, was secured on their behalf by the supposed evil and self centered ways of their former masters. Even saint Lincoln pondered a mass exodus of freed slaves. He had the privilege of dying before seeing the true damage if his actions. Sic semper tyrannis. With the largely failed reconstruction effort that followed the war, it is also my firm belief that the freed slaves would have benefited from emancipation through the Southerner's terms moreso than they did with the way it actually went down. Forgotten, and left to the subjugation of second class citizenry. We all know how little the Freedmen's Bureau was able to assist in this matter and support for the freed slaves quickly halted once slaves began to leave the south for the rest of the country. Their tunes changed awful quick didn't they? That being said, I still believe in the old American principle of popular sovereignty and should a group of people wish to free themselves from a system of government they believe no longer represents them, then by all means they should have the right to do so peacefully. For goodness sake, popular sovereignty is how this country came to fruition in the first place! Remember, history is written by the winners and as Napoleon foretold, "What is history, but a fable agreed upon?" Having many historians agree doesn't make it more credible. Lobotomies used to be standard medical consensus, yet they aren't anymore. What changed? Either consensus is a fickle bitch, or is meaningless in pursuit of truth. I'll leave you on that. There were no winners of the American Civil War. Everyone lost their country never to return and we are it's heirs. mises.org/library/myth-national-defense-essays-theory-and-history-security-production kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6iQeoipq76bapY

[@Nevergofullretard321]

@@DrWongburger Nice schizo rant.

[@DrWongburger]

@@Nevergofullretard321 Cope

[@TheMorning_Son]

State rights was code for slavery institutions and labeling the black under property and not all men created equal. Basically two Americas with contradictory interpretations.

[@davidkennerly]

States don't have rights; people do. Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is there mentioned the existence of any such thing. People, alone have rights and states have powers granted to them by the people and dissolvable by the people.

[@lesliefranklin1870]

There should be no confusion of the main reason slavery caused succession. It's listed first in each of the state declarations of succession.

[@marshalkrieg2664]

Mainly in the deep south. The upper south - Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas - seceded over Lincolns plan to invade.

[@lesliefranklin1870]

@@marshalkrieg2664 From the second paragraph of Virginia's declaration of succession: "[...]but to the oppression of the Southern slaveholding States." Clearly, since slavery was listed, it was an important reason for succession.

[@marshalkrieg2664]

@@lesliefranklin1870 Read it again. They say they are not seceding so they can keep their slaves. They are seceding because the north is about to invade the deep South- which is referred to here by a descriptor over part of their labor system- and the north has requested that Virginia aid in this invasion of the deep South. That is why Va seceded, they thought the norths invasion plans were beyond the pale.

[@ziggystardust1122]

Outright lie. 3min. of independent study would've kept you from making a fool of yourself.

[@cinaedmacseamas2978]

@@lesliefranklin1870 Slavery was a legally sanctioned form of labor under the US Constitution. How could a form of labor given sanction by the Constitution cause secession?

[@Neckromorph]

The idea that the civil war was a "good vs. evil" scenario is an ignorant one, influenced by biased modern ideology. To everyone who applies a sole moral argument for the causes of the war (i.e. It was only about slavery), do you you honestly think the average Union soldier was fighting for the slaves? Hell no they weren't. The vast majority didn't care. And do you think there wasnt widespread racism in the northern states too just like the south? Of course there was. And at the time of the war AND after, the native Americans were still being treated horribly by the federal government. So the whole moral argument that the Union were the good guys and the evil Confederacy has zero ground.

[@sbnwnc]

*TEXAS:* We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established *exclusively by the white race* , for themselves and their posterity; that the *African race* had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an *inferior and dependent* race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. That in this free government *all white men* are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the *servitude of the African* race, as existing in these States, *is mutually beneficial* to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen *slave-holding* States. *MISSISSIPPI:* In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course. *Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery* -- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the *black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.* These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but *submission to the mandates of abolition* , or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin." *GEORGIA:* The Presidential election of 1852 resulted in the total overthrow of the advocates of restriction and their party friends. Immediately after this result the anti-slavery portion of the defeated party resolved to unite all the elements in the North *opposed to slavery *an to stake their future political fortunes upon *their hostility to slavery everywhere.* This is the party two whom the people of the North have committed the Government. They raised their standard in 1856 and were barely defeated. They entered the Presidential contest again in 1860 and succeeded. *The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races* , disregard of all constitutional guarantees it its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers. With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers. *The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization.* *SOUTH CAROLINA:* We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the *non-slaveholding States.* Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our *domestic institutions* ; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; *they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery* ; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to *eloign the property of the citizens of other States.* They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our *slaves to leave their homes* ; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to *servile insurrection.* For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are *hostile to slavery.* He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that *slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.* *CSA CONSTITUTION:* "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing *the right of property in negro slaves* shall be passed." -CSA Constitution, Art. 1, Section 9, Clause 4. "The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, *with their slaves and other property* ; and *the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired* ." -CSA Constitution, Art. 4 Section 2. "The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. *In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government* ; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories *shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held* by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States." -CSA Constitution, Art. 4 Section 3.

[@Neckromorph]

@@sbnwnc lol literally none of that changes what I said. The United States also included slavery when it declared from Great Britain. Does that mean the US was actually the "bad guys" in the American Revolution? You just copy and pasted an essay for no reason. Fucking lol

[@johnj.baranski6553]

Agreed. Need to look at the participants motives through the moral lense of that time...can you imagine our great grandparents watching prime time TV now with all the cursing and boobs..they would think we are all going the Hell...but looked at through our moral lense in 2023, our TV choices are perfectly acceptable

[@johndavis6119]

I’m from Maryland and have ancestors on both sides of the Civil War. I’m also descended from a slave. I was taught in civics that the founders gave The South 3 concessions: the 5/8th rule in the census, the APPOINTMENT of two senators from each state, regardless of population and the 10th amendment. Each of these was to prevent the Federal Government from taking away their slaves.

[@YogiBear-sc7wc]

The 10th Amendment was supposed to be a leash on the Fed Govt

[@cinaedmacseamas2978]

Not so much to prevent the federal government from taking them away, but it's the other way around. It was to ensure that states with many slaves, not just Southern states at that time, would join with others and ratify the new constitution. The 3/5ths clause was a compromise; the North wanted slaves to count for zero in the census, the South wanted each slave to count as a full person. I am a Southerner, but I agree with the North in this because slaves were not citizens. Yet the census was to be done, and representation accorded in the US House of Representatives, based on actual population not solely on the citizenry.

[@grapeshot]

We have The Daughters of the Confederacy and Sons of Confederate Veterans to think for a lot of this Lost Cause mythology BS.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

100% Agree.

[@parrismd]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Has SAMA ever studied The Case for Southern Secession?

[@valeritapita6871]

All the women on my nanny side of the fam are daughters of the Confederacy and proud even my cousins, I'm the first in a long line in my family to denounce and reject their ideology and that's how i raised my kids.

[@olinayoung6287]

My fathers side is ripe with these proud Daughters. My great great grandfather was a Confederate war hero, with a memorial which still stands ... I was born & raised in ÇA, and couldn’t have been raised in a more detached way. I have only coincidentally faced this legacy when we moved here & I have unearthed a deep legacy of terror, violence and oppression through interest but also via my job. Though it’s being fought over at state level, my school’s county curriculum does this issue justice imo, which is incredible to me.

[@seanmccann8368]

@@valeritapita6871 I admire you, well done for the stand you take and the courage it's taken to do that.

[@donalddorsey6271]

It was state rights ! The rights to own Slaves !

[@rockinbobokkin7831]

3 great-great grandfathers put their lives for the Union in my line. They obviously lived and here I am. The number of Washington revolutionaries in my line, I still haven't fully counted.

[@shermansaxton3651]

Thank you, sir, for standing on the truth.

[@avenaoat]

It is difficult what was the first step when the the Civil War possibility was irreversibily. From my data collection I think to be interesting the prelude was longer and the steps are the next: 1. New England and the Central States became slavery system free. (Northern step) 2. The UK and USA forbade the slave trade in 1807-1808. So except for smuggling the cotton plantation economical system states and the slave system Texas could import slaves from the Border states to decrease the slave population % Maryland, Delaware, Missouri, Kentucky, East Tenneessee, from Appachian region, Ozark region in Arkansas. This the root case of the Border states stayed in the Union, foundation of West Virginia and the 100 000 white volunter Southern unionist soldiers from the Confederacy. (Northern and Southern step T Jefferson president) 3. The original 3 midwest states (Illinois, Indiana and Ohio) were populated in majority with the border state white pioneers from Kentucky, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Tenneessee and North Carolina) untill 1830. The Central state gave some settler and New England only to Ohio untill 1830. (Lincoln Family is good example). The Southern sociaty lost to North huge man power for increase the Northern future people surpluss to South. 4. Missouri compomise wanted to decide about the future slave system states. I think this was important step to hold Illinois, Indiana and Ohio to be free work states. The Missouri compomise assisted Illinois to be free state definitably in 1844 against the majority of southern settlers. The Central states and New England settlers changed to true Northern states Mid West after 1840 only! This also important step to reach the majority in North. (Northern Southern step) 5. The abolutionis movement became bigger in New England, in East Pennsylvania and in some New England effected Ohio territory (Grant's family). Funny but the first abolutionst newspaper was founded in East Tenneesse! (Northern step) 6. The nullification crisis between Andrew Jackson president and South Carolina in 1832-1833. To show some plantation system states were not interested in a strong American industrial economy opposing import tariffs or keeping them to a minimum. (Southern steps) 7. About 1844 the slave system elite politicians, media workers, plantation owners and those living in the slave economic system of the South, including New York City, but not New York State, realized that the North was growing in population and economic power. The accession of Texas to the slave system thought to be good step to increase the power of the slavery system South. This caused the Mexican American war with the anexion the future California, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, etc. In addition, with the conclusion of the Oregon British Columbia Agreement with the UK, the formation of the territorial size of the USA before the Civil War also takes place. (Southern step) 8. The Southern elite wanted to Annex Mexico some extremist Southern politicians began to dream of a slave empire with a Caribbean region with Mexico and Central America.This will be the Knights of the Golden Circle or other fire eaters in the South.(Southern Step) 9. The Norther Politicians (Lincoln) and some Southern Whigs (Henty Clay) fought for the independent Mexico. Northern politicians and elites assumed a slaveholding conspiracy. (Northern step) 10.The emergence of the Northern Free Land political movement and its demand for a slave economic system in the western territories. Their first success was the founding of the free land of California in 1850 using the Missouri Compromise. (Northern step) 11. UK in 1836, France in 1848, Mexico in 1829 forbade the slavery system, so the Underground Railroad started. (Northern Step) 12. The great compromise of 1850 was to prevent a civil war situation. Henry Clay, Webster, and Stephen Douglas were successful. They swallowed the fugitive slave law for free California in the North. (Northern and Southern step). 13. The great wave of European immigration starting from 1820 and from 1840 gradually brought huge masses of immigrants mainly from German-speaking areas and the UK (Irish people). The majority of immigrants further increases the already larger majority of the North to 1860. (Northern step) 14. Northern abolitionists were annoyed by the fugitive slave law, and as a result, Harriet Becher Stowe wrote her book. The 'Uncle Tom's Cabin" influences the emotional attitude towards the slave system within families through female readers. Men are in politics, but at home they can tell the female members of the family that it is not nice to take their children away from their mothers. The success of the book further pushed the French and UK public opinion towards the opposition to the slave system. (Northern step) 15. The railroad system and the industrilazation became bigger in the North so the demand for industrial protective tariffs became stronger in the North. The southern senators prevent the congressional majority from a protective tariff on imports that help industry growth.(Southern step) 16. Kansas Nebraska act in 1854 caused the possibility of the expansion of the slave system. This caused the disintegration of the Whig party, the weakening of the northern Democratic party, and the formation of the Republican party together with the free land politicians and the mild abolitionists. This made Lincoln a politician again. 17. North and South began to send settlers to Kansas and the north was more populous. At the beging the Little Dixie Dorder Ruffians gerilla actions were able to organize election fraud with the support of the pro-slavery Pierce government, but the congressional majority and the Northern settler majority finally won in 1858. The Border Ruffians faced strong opposition from Northern settlers and incoming radical abolitionists like John Brown. It was a real mini-civil war in Bleeding Kansas, where the minority (pro-slavery) wanted to prevent the interests of the majority with weapons. (Northern and Southern step) 18. The Dred Scott Supreme Court decision prohibited the free North from granting citizenship to ex-slaves. This is certainly a violation of the rights of the (Northern) states. The judges were Southerners or Southern connected. (Southern step) 19. Some Republican became angry with the Dred Scott decision. Seward mentioned as aim for the Republican the total abolution in 1858 . Seward tried to withdraw the opinion of the Republican radical wing, but in doing so he prepared the way for Lincoln to move to the center in 1860.Lincoln mentioned that he did not like the slave system, but he concentrated his political expression on preventing the further spread of the slave system to the western territories. (Northern step) 20. The southern elite propaganda machine used Seward's ill-advised declaration of the total abolition of slavery in the US as a Republican goal from 1858 to incite southern paranoia. (Southern step) 21. The (ultra) Radical John Brown started the Harper Ferry raid. After the fall, the North saw John Brown as a hero, although almost everyone saw John Brown's action as doomed from the start. .(Northern step) 22. The action of John Brown and the post-execution Northern perception of him as a martyr fueled the PARANOIA of Southerners living among the higher % slave population about a slave uprising led by Northern whites. The Southern Propaganda machine (journalists) further increased the equation between John Brown and their Republicans as Abraham Lincoln=John Brown. The action of John Brown and the post-execution Northern perception of him as a martyr fueled the PARANOIA of Southerners living among the higher % slave population about a slave uprising led by Northern whites. The Southern Propaganda machine (journalists) further increased the equation between John Brown and their Republicans as Abraham Lincoln=John Brown. Paranoia was less where the slave population % was lower, so Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and West Virginia seceded from Virginia. (Southern Step) According to me the 16th step was the most important to begin the drift towards civil war. Stephen Douglas and the supporters of the further expansion of the Slave system are the main ones responsible.There may be a different opinion that the course of events could have been stopped after Bleeding Kansas.

[@avenaoat]

I am sorry: 10. point again: The appearance of the political movement of the Northern Free State and its demand for exemption from the slave economic system in the western territories. (Northern step)

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

Everywhere one goes, they must destroy this myth

[@philmccracken7520]

Holt collier is not myth i think you should read about him and learn history ,

[@josesbox9555]

@@philmccracken7520 The war was over slavery. Full stop. Even the south thought so.

[@MTB214]

This is very fitting for the problems of today. I actually just finished reading Narrative of Frederick Douglass, An American Slave a few days ago. I highly recommend reading it as well as Lincoln’s Virtues: an Ethical Biography. It’s wild you are related to a Confederate leader and you admit it. Obviously, it isn’t your fault what your ancestors did. I always feel nervous to ask African Americans their ancestry since they could have been slaves.

[@suziecreamcheese211]

@TRUTH CENSORED you first.

[@pepelepewx]

actually Pragar Institute has a good video debunking lost cause rhetoric.

[@black75powder]

What Mr.Levin Speaks of is what the loss cause evolved into ,with modern thoughts on it. The Very beginnings of the term lost cause was started by a copperhead(Northern Democrat) In an effort to unite, northern and southern Democrats after the war. The copperheads paid southern publishers to print the original loss cause. I don’t have my notes handy, But the original lost cause had theories about the war , why the south lost the war, and was trying to start a race war against black Republicans in the south. Many former confederates spoke out against it.

[@jjw56]

Awesome, great to see you use your platform/celebrity to be the voice of truth and sincerity. Being a part of the new media you showed a sense of responsibility and leadership that will over all far well for your channel when big media looks for next thing to help reach the masses. And I think it’s kool that your distant relative was a know confederate military commander. Was any interesting stories passed down?

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Thanks for watching! Not many stories no, I do have copies of the pension papers for one of my cousins who fought for Tennessee, due to cannon shrapnel in his back he wasn’t able to work after the war.

[@jjw56]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 hey maybe he joined the militia Lol. You gotta hear this if you don’t already know the genesis of the 2nd amendment. I know youre busy listen to it in the bathroom, doing dishes, put you to sleep. It’ll be worth your time kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2bQh5iCotl_ZtU

[@purplespeckledappleeater8738]

I just took a Civil War college course online over COVID. My professor was jumping back and forth on racial and sexist narratives and used the Washington Post as source material alongside historical documents. I could have learned more from a single chapter of any book written by an actual expert than I did from that entire course. I also had a problem with some of the claims this guy made. When I have conversations with Southerners and they say "state's rights", what that usually turns into in the 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. I do not think this guy should have skipped over that tidbit of information because this issue is still a major issue today with the continuing expansion of the Federal Government of the United States over the last half century while simultaneously becoming less efficient. This issue was addressed by Reagan and is being brought up by senators and congressmen today. Another problem I had was this guy claiming the Civil War itself was a failure and we as a country should have resolved all social issues then and there... First of all, war is war. Second, the Republican Party did do this, and then it all fell apart after the Democratic Party was let in after Reconstruction. Also, this is when the Federal Government started a decades long campaign to destroy the American Indian and Jim Crow stripped African Americans of their rights again. Third, go study Civil War history. The nation was too divided to implement a long term solution and the solution didn;t work. That's what I was taught in school and it sounds way more legitimate than this guy claiming that solving social issues in the middle of a war is more important than winning a war.

[@matthewmann8969]

Much of it had to do with position, posture, posing, and placing

[@honeybeechanger]

I think that it would be good to also talk about not only the instilled that goes on in schools but also the pop-culture type of learning that goes on in music and movies and books. I think those who cherish John Wayne movies are going to have trouble with the three under standing the reality of the South and the civil war. It's fascinating thing for me to realize that The narrative of the south permeated to the north so deeply and I'm not sure if it's just school I think that I think are pop culture has a lot to do with that.

[@richardmeyeroff7397]

one of the things I bring up when someone when talks about states rights as a civil war cause I talk about the Fugitive Slave act that directly violated many northern states rights.

[@cinaedmacseamas2978]

The Fugitive Slave clause is a part of the UNAMENDED US CONSTITUTION, and which each northern state both KNEW and AGREED TO before petitioning for admittance into the Union as a state. Then NINE northern states literally DEFIED the US Constitution by publicly defying the their obligations under the Fugitive Slave law..... And Southerners were called rebels....

[@Jason-ms8bv]

This subject appears be in need of more exposure and clarity, and once again you've stepped up Nick, look forward to more from this series.

[@BlogdelJAA]

This video completely ignores that the northern industrial states also used slaves before 1790, don't leave that out

[@EPUEPUEPUEPU]

No relevance at all a few thousand or so ?

[@LauseMarkA]

Thanks for this. I'm circulating it very widely. (I wondered if you were related to that Barksdale.)

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Really appreciate your support. Thank you!

[@nnn-pr3vr]

Not American but from an outsider perspective it seems the war was about centralisation of power by the federation vs state sovereignty in the confederation. These power struggles are a recurring theme through history.

[@sbnwnc]

*TEXAS:* We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established *exclusively by the white race* , for themselves and their posterity; that the *African race* had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an *inferior and dependent* race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. That in this free government *all white men* are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the *servitude of the African* race, as existing in these States, *is mutually beneficial* to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen *slave-holding* States. *MISSISSIPPI:* In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course. *Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery* -- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the *black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.* These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but *submission to the mandates of abolition* , or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin." *GEORGIA:* The Presidential election of 1852 resulted in the total overthrow of the advocates of restriction and their party friends. Immediately after this result the anti-slavery portion of the defeated party resolved to unite all the elements in the North *opposed to slavery *an to stake their future political fortunes upon *their hostility to slavery everywhere.* This is the party two whom the people of the North have committed the Government. They raised their standard in 1856 and were barely defeated. They entered the Presidential contest again in 1860 and succeeded. *The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races* , disregard of all constitutional guarantees it its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers. With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers. *The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization.* *SOUTH CAROLINA:* We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the *non-slaveholding States.* Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our *domestic institutions* ; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; *they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery* ; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to *eloign the property of the citizens of other States.* They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our *slaves to leave their homes* ; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to *servile insurrection.* For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are *hostile to slavery.* He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that *slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.* *CSA CONSTITUTION:* "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing *the right of property in negro slaves* shall be passed." -CSA Constitution, Art. 1, Section 9, Clause 4. "The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, *with their slaves and other property* ; and *the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired* ." -CSA Constitution, Art. 4 Section 2. "The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. *In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government* ; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories *shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held* by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States." -CSA Constitution, Art. 4 Section 3.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

The historical fact is that the confederate states were much weaker under the confederate central government than they had been under the U.S. Federal government. If “states rights” was their guiding principle, they failed from the start. For example, the Confederacy was the first to institute forced conscription, long before the United States did. For example, the Confederacy nationalized the railroad. For example, the confederacy forced slave owners to donate their slaves’ labor to defense projects. The idea that the civil war was over central power vs state power is false. It’s a myth created by people trying to excuse unjustifiable behavior. It’s great that you bring an outsider perspective, but it’s not so great that your perspective is based on ignorance or facile oversimplifications.

[@kmaher1424]

I have read Mr Levin's book and recommend it. For a more informal but still well referenced look at these topics, check out Checkmate Lincolnites...😎

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

I’ve seen those. Hahaha.

[@ikesileth2270]

Great video. I think it’s really important to acknowledge that when you have a conversation about the civil war now, you can still hear some of the same points that have been debunked over and over.

[@keittkatranch5167]

I met a black gentleman named Nelson Winbush several years ago who was a retired public school teacher. He was also a life member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and, at the time was doing public talks about black Confederates. His grandfather served in the Confederate army under Nathan Bedford Forrest and he was quite proud of the fact. I wonder if your guest interviewed him?

[@vehx9316]

This is a common theme in the lost cause myth, contrary is that while black africans may have served in the Confederate army they are not official recognized in any combat role. Would had some picked up a rifle and fought ? Yes they could but that is the exception rather than the norm and any confederate leader would not be caught dead saying that there were black units in the Confederate Army. And it is not unheard of for black africans wishing to share in the martial glory of the Civil war. So that's that.

[@stephencarter7266]

​@@vehx9316What exactly is a "black African"? "Black African is not only a racist term but goofy. That fact that you used it speak volumes about your beliefs in black self-efficacy. You judgment on this whole matter is suspect.

[@stephencarter7266]

Thanks for sharing 👍🏽

[@vehx9316]

@@stephencarter7266 nice bait troll

[@jonathancomisiak2863]

Thank you for this. I am new to your channel. There was good information in this video. I have shared it with a few others already.

[@brandonmosley5824]

Slavery should have never been an institution in America

[@YogiBear-sc7wc]

Slavery was world wide. Not unique to America. still is happening today

[@subhamomm5930]

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[@seanpoore2428]

This was quite good, more like this lol

[@ms.donaldson2533]

I have spent my life in Baltimore. On April 19, 1861 the War of Rebellion arrived in town and "We the People" LOST and the Jesuit indocrination program taught the details of the Civil War. On April 19, 2015, they held an Uprising at the grave of Solomon Etting (Maryland Legislation of 1826) and left a billboard that said "Who dies from a rough ride, the whole damn system." 1862 General Order No. 11 and Lincoln's attempted assassination in Baltimore are usually left out of the story. They used Lincoln as a display for the new death care industry and hosted a Jubilee to the takeover in 1906 & they shadowed the Civil War Musuem with New World Pier at International Circle.

[@ericshetka3655]

The CSA Constitution was a cut-and-paste of the USA Constitution with two major changes, the anscestral based right to own Human Beings and a Presidential Line Item Veto of State's Representatives bills in the Senate and Congress they gave the States the right to own Slaves at the cost of handing over part of their State Sovereignty to the Central Executive branch.

[@Dodo-ym8cc]

Americans think the civil war was about emancipating slaves or the institution of slavery, LOL. IMHO the civil war started out as an economic and cultural clash.

[@avenaoat]

The myth of Confederate Unity: I think the Confederacy monument removal was mistake, because it was TOO EARLY! First the Southern NOWDAYS sociaty should have faced some interesting facts as forexample. 1. The numbers of the Confederate Army were about 490 000 soldiers and about 100 000 soldiers arrived from the Border States as Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland. So 390 000 soldiers were from the original 11 Confederate States. However the 11 Confederate States gave about 100 000 white volunter soldiers to the USA Army! The 20% percentage of the white soldiers , who fought from the Whole Confederacy for the Union and this requires confronting the past, where they came from? 2. The majority of the 100 000 white volunter soldiers arrived from such territories where the slave economy (Tobbacco or Cotton king) was weak. Moreover these soldiers could have been more but the Northern Army did not reach South Arkansas, Texas unionist areas, Northern Alabama Georgia or West part of North Carolina in 1862-1863. East Tenneesse was LIBERATED by Burnside only in 1863! 3.The 100 000 white Southern soldiers are facts, but similar to German occupied countries in the II. WW were secret prounionism movements in the South, not only secret sympathy for the Unio. Heroes of America or Red Strings, but active prounionist gerilla and bushwacker action in Texas, Alabama, North Carolina or FLORIDA were not only the Little Dixie events in Missouri! I think of such humorouse event, when a West Teenneessee young man wanted to brag about his ancestor to be in the Confederate cavalry regiment under general Forrest. He look for the exact data from the Civil War past and he found his ancestor fought for the UNION in the some number unionist cavalry regiment! He got surpise. I think where the prounionist white volunters arrived from a good indication to show the not slavery economy territories decreased the seccessionist paranoia. OK Hollywood discovered Jones county in Mississippi, East Teenneessee named city about Farragut, but these should have been the first step. Not only Jones county (12.5% slaves) in Mississippi left the Confederacy, but Winston county in Alabama (3.4% slaves) left the Confederacy, moreover Winston county and its neighbore counties hid about 10 000 deserters from the Confederacy Army. Yes the Civil War and Seccession had more main causes, but every cause connected to the slavery: 1. Northern States and population wanted to stop all steps for the spreading of slavery system. To stop the total annexion of Mexico (Lincoln as politician fought for the independent Mexico!), to stop war agains Spain for Cuba and to stop Kansas from becoming a slave state. The Southern Politician felt the free work sociaty would be dominant in the future USA in 10-15 years and the sanate would have free work state sanator majority! 2. The Cotton King economy wanted to change cheap European industrial goods with slavery work produced COTTON! The Southern (slave State) senators were able to prevent the increase of industrial protective tariffs and when the original 7 states left the Unio that time the Morell Tariff was introduced under Buchanan government. The Agrarian slave work Southern states (except for Delaware, Missouri, Kentucky and Maryland) were not interested in strong industrial develőping. 3. After Dred Scott decision, the North was upset and the Radical wing of Republican party and one of the member Seward openly waved the abolution for the South in 1858. Seward tried to undo it, but it became good propaganda material against the Republicans in South. Lincoln became the candidate as a centrist in Chicago to win against Seward, but the Southern propaganda machine had already classified Lincoln as a radical. 4. The Dred Scott decision changed John Brown to be (ulta)radical. The John Brown plan was not slave revolt, his plan was a super UNDERGROUND RAILWAY to multiply the number of escaped slaves with the guerilla base to be established in the Appalecchian region. To decrease the value of the slaves in the South. The plan was doomed from the start, the border areas had a low percentage of slaves (Later it also had a significant unionist population) and the militias of the border states could have also supported by the regular army. Lincoln was in Kansas and declared that any guerilla action or (Lincoln assumed) slave uprising was doomed to failure. However, the Northern public, influenced by Heniette Becher Stowe's book, revered the executed John Brown as a HERO. The John Brown action started super PARANOIA in the higher% slave populated area for slave revolt which would have been governed by white Northern abolutionists. The newer event was good for the Southern Propaganda machine to wash Lincoln not only Seward but John Brown. Finally John Brown death death brought about the end of slavery by the end of 1865. Nobody knows without Kansas Nebraska act the Civil War escalation would have stopped and the slow volunter abolution which brought 75 000 free colored people beside 87 000 slaves in Maryland it could have became bigger and bigger in the border states?

[@DavidKing-bm3sh]

While I did agree, with most of this video, I find it lacking in several key points.... The north, in order to save, their industrial might, enacted legislation such as the Tariff Act which was signed into law by Abraham Lincoln that place huge tariffs on imported goods and as trade with agricultural products, for manufactured goods outside of the United States was the lifeblood of the South....I would say that the north was just as guilty of starting the war as the South was. They both had a lot to lose....

[@kmerian]

Actually, the Morill tariff was signed into law by President Buchanan, and it only passed the Senate in March 1861 because 7 Southern states seceded in January 1861 recalling their Senators. Had the South not seceded, ironically, it never would have passed

[@hamzaalmdghri8741]

Civil war It would have been lit without pretext

[@marijaokic2427]

Thank you for this video. I have already heard few things regarding this topic, but this is so interesting and informative.

[@Dodo-ym8cc]

Why is a Serbian watching this Biden propagandist?

[@leonardkrol2600]

I can see the sign on the Confederate recruiting center "Enlist and join the lost cause."

[@dudepool7530]

Wilsooooooooooooooooon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@AnthonyEvelyn]

Yep!

[@lairdhaynes1986]

Lols

[@joeblow9275]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again; there's a difference between why the South seceded and why the war happened. People seem to often conflate the two. I'll also say that while it is true that the Confederate declarations of independence are explicit about slavery, that could very well be for constitutional/legal purposes. Sort of how the US put forward the WMD argument for going to war with Iraq. It's not as if the South could lean on the tariff issue. Northern states had repeatedly declared they wouldn't enforce the Fugitive-Slave Act of 1850, it was the North which took the states'-rights angle and not the South, so I imagine the South felt the North's unwillingness to meet their end of the constititional bargain was the best legal leg to stand on.

[@olinayoung6287]

Thank you for sharing Dr Levin with us, truly so good, thank you 🌺!

[@favjr]

Thanks, Nick!

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Most welcome and thanks for watching!

[@Bravo-Too-Much]

This is “the won effect” myth from the north.

[@sbnwnc]

*TEXAS:* We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established *exclusively by the white race* , for themselves and their posterity; that the *African race* had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an *inferior and dependent* race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. That in this free government *all white men* are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the *servitude of the African* race, as existing in these States, *is mutually beneficial* to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen *slave-holding* States. *MISSISSIPPI:* In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course. *Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery* -- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the *black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.* These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but *submission to the mandates of abolition* , or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin." *GEORGIA:* The Presidential election of 1852 resulted in the total overthrow of the advocates of restriction and their party friends. Immediately after this result the anti-slavery portion of the defeated party resolved to unite all the elements in the North *opposed to slavery *an to stake their future political fortunes upon *their hostility to slavery everywhere.* This is the party two whom the people of the North have committed the Government. They raised their standard in 1856 and were barely defeated. They entered the Presidential contest again in 1860 and succeeded. *The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races* , disregard of all constitutional guarantees it its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers. With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers. *The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization.* *SOUTH CAROLINA:* We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the *non-slaveholding States.* Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our *domestic institutions* ; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; *they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery* ; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to *eloign the property of the citizens of other States.* They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our *slaves to leave their homes* ; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to *servile insurrection.* For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are *hostile to slavery.* He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that *slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.* *CSA CONSTITUTION:* "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing *the right of property in negro slaves* shall be passed." -CSA Constitution, Art. 1, Section 9, Clause 4. "The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, *with their slaves and other property* ; and *the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired* ." -CSA Constitution, Art. 4 Section 2. "The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. *In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government* ; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories *shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held* by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States." -CSA Constitution, Art. 4 Section 3.

[@journeyman378]

I remember those lost cause text books! I also remember some statements from my 8th grade GA histteacher. He had that lost cause thinking!

[@philmccracken7520]

huh ? hold it guys you do know that Union had genrals and soliders that fought for north and owned slaves ? LOL Kevin M Levin does not listen to anyone or anything that prove hIm wrong Holt Collier is Not myth , Amis Rucker is not a myth , Bass Reeves is not myth John Nolan is not myth ! Now we had Union Genrals that owned slaves such as Gen LockWood . There town of Owen Mills Maryand that I a family that was well known in town during the civil war one side of family owned slaves but was pro union and other did not and was pro southern and both family sent there sons to fight . And when in 1863 Jeb Stuart came to town the non owning slave part had breakfest for Him and his men , Latter that day when Union Cav came to town the Pro Nothern slave owner side Held and served dinner for Union men ! Kevin M levin any day any where anytime I will debate you and using nothing but historic facts not myths Prove you wrong . And oh yes on final days before break thru at petersburg the south raise 1 reg of black soliders that followed Lee on his retreat (this histotical fact) the regiment was order to protect some arty pcs and held off Gen Custer Cav Divison before getting overwelmed !

[@thomast3570]

The North had slaves? this changes the whole picture.

[@cabarete2003]

Wow...the slant on this video is so bad my TV just about fell off the wall. You project much no? The discussion went way off the rail from historical fact to historical disconnect fast.

[@Hellemokers]

Love the episode. Just don't know if it fits in the channel. But hey, your channel, your party 😀

[@markreid1656]

I just wanna say first off I'm not too impressed with either political historical camp as it seems they have both sold a partial history to bamboozle the masses. Its interesting to note that before and during the war, european papers have bankers saying that slavery will end and be replaced by controlling wages and the money supply. I found a playlist on the civil war with books that are pre-wilson. A lot of stuff to make sense of. Like most contemporaries described Lincoln as swarthy, dark eyes, dark curly hair, as well as quite a few southern leaders. Also he never really cared about slavery and said as much, and although he did sign the Emancipation Proclamation, he immediately passed legislature to negate it in the south. The 13th amendments doesnt really outlaw slavery, it just says slavery and forced indenture are illegal unless duly convicted of a crime. Believe it or not you have free black units in the south. Yes free. I know wth. Also the northern abolitionists were not really against slavery that much. The narrative they predominantly pushed was white slavery from the south bleeding into the north. Indentures from europe who never attained freedom end up working on plantations with blacks and some have kids with each other. Also some indentured/slave master play into this. So you have this scenario with the 1 drop laws where lots of slaves, to visitors from the north and europe, appeared completely white. Imnot defending anyone it just seems to be true. Also no one wants to talk about “Jews and Muslims in British Colonial America”. Thats an interesting read, free on archive dot . Also we come to find that Alex Haley, the writer of Roots was sued in 1978 for plagiarizing 81 pages of a novel for his novel he tried to pass off as truth. He didnt lose the case, he settled before that happened. So its not just one side selling a story, especially since the great hero Wilson. Then we have to talk really quick about northern ugly laws and blanket statements that when the west opens up it should be white only. Oregon was pretty bad it seems. Anyway this guy has a solid playlist, with some books I just havent seen anyone use. All exploiters all bigots have to go. Pt. 1 - The Untold Cause of The Civil War

[@susytomable]

Thank you.

[@Bogey1022]

Why on earth don't you wear a kepi like Andy? Great vid, man

[@greggerwinofficial]

Hope you talked about the 750000 soldiers of the south and how only 5% of those men had slaves. Did you also discuss the Corwin ammendment (the governments last attempt to keep the southern states in the union? ) yet the southern states still left. Hmm could it have been taxes and tariffs? Tell us why that 712,500 Southerners that didn't and never owned slaves fought for the 37,500 that did? Asking for a friend..... I'll tell you. It's because the 712,500 was taxed to death. Anyone that reads the Corwin ammendment knows the truth. Lincoln signed it along with several northern states. Anyone with common sense can research it and know the truth.

[@sup8857]

Southern secession was about preserving and expanding slavery. The Confederate Constitution’s only major revisions to the U.S. Constitution addressed slavery: “No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed” (Article I, Section 9). Get it? The CSA was established, based on its own constitution, to preserve slavery.

[@SandfordSmythe]

30% of Southern Households owned a slave

[@keittkatranch5167]

Anyone interested in further study please check out the Abbeville Institute. Excellent stuff.

[@bearthalamas9241]

Slavery was only legal in the United States for less than one hundred years. Vermont banned slavery on July 2, 1777. Abolishing slavery was being discussed before we even gained our independence. British banks financed the confederate army through Judah p Benjamin, the war treasurer and Secretary for the south. They held the worthless bonds. They also supplied ships and English made guns, and after the war Grant sued Britain for violating their neutrality. And won. Benjamin also moved his family to London before the war, and when Davis was captured, Benjamin was the only one that got away, and fled to London. The newspapers nick named him Judas the traitor..... You got to follow the money to understand any war. Theirs always bankers involved, false flags, ppl getting rich off of ppl killing ppl.

[@SandfordSmythe]

It was part of the American heritage longer than that.

[@bearthalamas9241]

@@SandfordSmythe ok. Let's hear it. That's pretty vague. I might even agree with you. Lol.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

1776-1865. 89 years. Though I think it would be worthy to bring up the other 100 years of an Legal Aparthied system... 1865-1964. I am aware that it's 99 years but you get it right?

[@bearthalamas9241]

@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502 and how many years did Africans take white slaves. The moors were still stealing our ships and enslaving our sailors in the 19th century. White ppl were pretty much late to ther party when it comes to slavery anyways lol.

[@stephenmichalski2643]

I clicked the like button.......because I did indeed like the video........I also agree with most of what is said here. That being said......I have always struggled with the concept that states rights be diminished as a important fundamental aspect of the war. Simply stating that this is part of the Lost Cause agenda as he did.....does nothing for me intellectually. Obviously slavery was the issue that drove the schism.......obviously it got the headlines......obviously it's moral bankruptcy drove many to the pulpit.....the debating/lecture stage and to the colors. In my own personal research into the CW and it's causes I see a different overall picture. I find it interesting and indeed curious that most Confederate soldier's that marched fought bled and died for the Southern cause didn't own slaves. When I study history I like to put myself in that place.....how I'd think.....feel. I know for myself.....if you or anyone else .....wearing a uniform or a badge or neither of those....and came walking towards me on my property carrying a firearm....I would consider you a threat.....and have a bead on your head or heart at least within a minute or at the very least be holding mine at the ready. I think at the very least.....that's how many Southerners thought. Granted many were die hard racist that had twisted notions of white supremacy and justified slavery. But they were the minority.....though very influential. I find it interesting that the issue of western expansion and of future statehood alignment......whether to be free or slave states once admitted to the Union is mentioned ONLY with regards to the slavery issue.....and NOT the underlying political and economic landscape.....and their evolving changes before the outbreak of bloodshed. For myself......I am not really interested in what I think or believe....I'd rather know the truth......the whole truth. Not mine....or anyone else's opinion. I suppose what I'm saying in part is that I will need to be convinced that some of what is mentioned here is not in fact.....exactly what he alluded to.....something that is a human and an American trait/habit. That is in fact....romanticism.....just from a different angle.

[@rijrunner]

I am very glad you did. I had been wondering if you were related to General Barksdale

[@cinaedmacseamas2978]

Independence is never a lost cause.

[@EPUEPUEPUEPU]

Yes it is if your independence is to keep others in chains.

[@cinaedmacseamas2978]

@EPUEPUEPUEPU Southerners were literally in fear for their lives because wealthy Republicans had actively funded a fanatic to kill everyone. You make my case.

[@cinaedmacseamas2978]

@EPUEPUEPUEPU Slavery was going to end. But northern hypocrisy on this subject concerns keeping blacks out of the west. A stated goal of the Wilmot Proviso. But northerners failed to achieve that goal, so you lost that part of the war.

[@cinaedmacseamas2978]

@@EPUEPUEPUEPU "If your independence is to keep others in chains." And that applied to American colonialists in 1776 too, and the British actually made the same charge against the colonists as you just did. Independence was to break away from a government ruled by a sectional party, Republicans, which were protecting the Secret Six, who had financed John Brown's attempted genocide of Southerners.

[@EPUEPUEPUEPU]

@cinaedmacseamas2978 Keeping slavery out of the west was how slavery was going to end, you guys literally don't read any confederate documents.

[@54032Zepol]

Fightin fer our rights!!!!

[@skaetur1]

They’d gon make us work our own jerbs!

[@januarysson5633]

To own slaves.

[@54032Zepol]

@@skaetur1 they took our jobs!!

[@leemarlin9415]

You can win a Civil War but to truly succeed you must win the peace. You can continue to pound the defeated and never be one again. Or you can honor the defeated for having fought a good fight and welcome them back into your midst as honorable warriors that you are proud to have in your society again. There by truly ending the Civil War and winning it. It is rare for someone with a podium to expound their believes to understand that those statues and monuments were there to give the south it's pride back and not make it feel it was not a second class part of the union. Testimony to that is how the assault on the old confederacy is serving to divide our country again. As with most nations we have a very very difficult time learning from history.

[@TheDanEdwards]

"to give the south it's pride back " - while I think that is retcon on your part, for whatever of your statement may be true I say this - damn the "pride" of the "south".

[@sjyavo]

@@TheDanEdwards Thinking like yours led to the treaty of Versailles after WWI. That turned out well...😐

[@macgonzo]

@@sjyavo complete false equivalence. The Treaty of Versailles placed crippling debts on the nation of Germany, there was nothing similar done to the Confederate States... Practically every statue dedicated to the Confederate soldiers and leaders were built decades, if not a century or more, after the war was lost. They were erected during a period of time when Jim Crow laws were being introduced, and as such were less about honouring the past, than promoting a white supremacist future.

[@leemarlin9415]

@@TheDanEdwards And you get your feel good moment. No matter the repercussions.

[@leemarlin9415]

@@macgonzo A century or more after the war ended. That would be 1965 to 1970. We think them statues were up before that. Granted my knowledge of such things is limited but I’m pretty sure that racial discrimination was not something unique to the post- Civil War South.

[@m1k3droid]

The internet is more of a sargasso sea of historical detritus

[@brandonvonbo9708]

Do a study of the Jesuits involvement in the American revolution and civil war.

[@kmerian]

Wow, that is seriously fringe conspiracy

[@brandonvonbo9708]

@@kmerian the evidence is there, ignore it if you want.

[@bearthalamas9241]

The civil war could be looked at as the revolutionary war 2.0, Look up the rothschild roots of the klu klux klan. It was in an executive intelligence report to Jimmy Carter in 78. It puts a lot of things in perspective, even in today's world.

[@kmerian]

@@brandonvonbo9708 no, it really isn't, it's a 19th century anti Catholic fantasy

[@brandonvonbo9708]

@@kmerian what was the purpose of the Jesuits induction? Was it not to overthrow Protestantism? Has that ever stopped being their goal? Look at the world today and how many world leaders are trained at Jesuit institutional; Yale, Harvard, Georgetown, etc. Here are a few quotes from men that understood what they were up to.

[@Fountainofyouthstor1]

Thank you son much for the post

[@twonumber22]

Here we go.

[@johngibson5169]

The attitudes in the south to Lincoln's election parallel the reactions of Trump followers to his loss last year to a frightening extent.

[@gregnz1]

Your supreme court supported slavery, Lincoln could do nothing until the South Ceded because they could not expand slavery.

[@johnloster6896]

Is the American Civil War now considered Antiquity? Cuz it's certainly not Middle Ages 😜

[@trishayamada807]

This was an excellent and captivating talk. I really enjoyed. Thanks. 🌟

[@danieldelathauwer4494]

had all white people slaves, I am not american but I can beleave that there ware also poor white man who worked as semi slave by richt people, in europe in the 1900 there ware also slaveworkers as free man who had no money and must work for living, there family in poverty, houses built by factory owners. Daniel Gent BE

[@outdoorlife5396]

The Lost Cause was due to they could not say, your fathers, sons and brothers died to protect slavery. Also, I think most people could not read, so when they got to the war, they didn't have a dog in this fight. That said, their families were not doing good, so they left, to protect their families from the home guard, which was worse than the federals marching through

[@Hotdog1863]

States rights equals slavery, PERIOD. The two cannot be separated. Jefferson Davis said in the Spring of 1865 he would accept NO peace plan that didn't include the preservation of slavery.

[@IPlayWithFire135]

I have a feeling this topic is going to weed out a certain...right wing element of your viewer base.

[@AnthonyEvelyn]

Maybe that is what he wants.

[@IPlayWithFire135]

@@AnthonyEvelyn They were already fed up with the Visigothic Iberia video with Kyle Lincoln. Even bigger channels like that Survive the Jive guy were in the comments with their followers complaining about muh cultural marxisms. I'm just saying, if that's what he wants then go full steam ahead. They're about to call him a Jew.

[@anselmdanker9519]

You ancestor led " Barksdales charge " , very interesting.

[@Doodle1776]

I was watching this and wondering what Steven Crowder and Prager U have anything to do with the topic at all. The interviewer seems to know nothing about what either of them actually talk about and just made a fool of himself. Which then is latched onto by Lost Causers who will say "see, he's lying!" Seriously, Prager U has several Civil War videos and they openly admit that the issue was slavery. The Lost Causers hate Prager U for that and always attack them because they don't take a Lost Cause position on the war. I have never heard Steven Crowder state that it wasn't either.

[@rockinbobokkin7831]

My early school years were in Florida, and the State's Rights agenda was pushed very hard. It was pictured as an economic struggle.... thankfully I had a maverick local school board that focused on science.

[@kennethknoppik5408]

You're descended from a confederate general killed at Gettysburg? Wow. Slavery was an awful practice unfortunate he supported it . but that aside the fact that he was a big part of history is incredible, you should be proud of that regardless of what side he was on. Really an incredible story thank you for sharing

[@gregorylittle1461]

Have to say I envy you having William Barksdale as an ancestor. His defense of Fredericksburg was phenomenal. It's so easy to impose 21st century morals on the 19th century. Levin's comments gave me nothing above the what one can expect from a man from Massachusetts: plenty of blanket generalizations with no in-depth research and many half-truths. We'll have to turn to European sources for objective research into this subject. At I don't have to be concerned about losing my tenure.

[@lukasmakarios4998]

Why was the Civil War fought? There were several reasons: 1. The southern states demanded the right to determine what kinds of economies they would have, and how long they would take to change that. a. Slavery was soon going to be phased out due to moral considerations, as it was becoming less profitable than mechanized industrial production. b. The seemingly imminent likelihood that the Federal government would demand tthe immediately liberation of the slaves without recompense was unacceptable. 2. Tariffs and barriers to free trade between states were putting the southern states at a disadvantage, and the federal government refused to intervene with regulations. 3. The abolitionists, represented by John Brown and friends, were increasingly vocal and intransigent regarding federal efforts to find a flexible and feasible solution to wean the South's economy from slavery. And we conveniently forget, Lincoln originally didn't want to fight to free the slaves, until he needed to recruit more troops to continue fighting, then he decided to use the Emancipation Proclamation for incentive.

[@lukasmakarios4998]

4. The precipitous secession of the South, and the bombardment of Fort Sumpter, forced the Federal government to declare that secession was illegal and demand their return, upon penalty of invasion and suppression of their state governments.

[@gregnz1]

The South ceded to expand slavery, Britain had outlawed it.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Consider your myths debunked * Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because our textbooks and monuments are wrong. www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/01/why-do-people-believe-myths-about-the-confederacy-because-our-textbooks-and-monuments-are-wrong/?outputType=amp

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

And lastly this completely destroys the laughable narratives that you attempted to push. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths-about-why-the-south-seceded/2011/01/03/ABHr6jD_story.html

[@sup8857]

Primary sources tell us you're dead wrong about everything but Lincoln. The south went to war to preserve and expand slavery.

[@pontiacpaul1]

Question. After the civil war was Lincoln planning on sending blacks back to Africa

[@kmaher1424]

No. He believed in Colonialism in his early days. Then he met Frederick Douglass and saw black soldiers defending the Union

[@mollywithak1697]

Lol pretty sure that was Henry Clay

[@lookbovine]

It was not a plan. There were private societies with that goal in the North and South made up of both races that raised money and had some success. Look up the history.

[@xenophon5354]

One can almost imagine that the war was started by a Southern invasion given this causation.

[@cannabiasmedia9008]

Seriously disappointed that the third front of the Civil War is not mentioned in this discussion, the Gullah/Seminole War front. It is the one key string of events that represent the true narrative of the American Empire at the time. It took about 2-3 for the North to pass the Emancipation Proclamation because it wasnt a priority. Not to mention the servitude of the poor white working class in the South was a model for the Black livelihood in the Northern states. Failed to hear any mention of this exact propoganda failing, evidence of which can be shown in many examples outside of Black Confederates. Take for example the exact model of Chattel Slavery, ownership of a human being and treating them like an animal or to be more specific a robot. White supremacists tried to reprogram the African populous through Eugenics. Regulations declared owners had to house, feed, keep records essentially property taxes and upkeep of animate objects. How long do you think it took people to remember that these were actually people? Not long but the white southerners didn't want to be stuck as serfs again, they just left the old world. What about Jefferson Davis creating a Black Aristocracy after learning the ability they had, then the Government essentially tried to send Ex Slaves back to Africa by creating Liberia. The success of towns like Tulsa (Black Wall Street) were possible because they existed by accessing resources directly from the land. The first Quasi Black Government was in Wilmington NC, which was soon over thrown by an angry white mob. Southern land and values helped Ex Slaves thrive and a Federal government complicit in failing them on every end had nothing to do with freeing them or helping them remain that way.

[@lookbovine]

Robot is less specific as ‘chattel’ refers to animals. I recently heard SOMETHING about Tulsa... How openly it was embraced by white southerners because of their southern values, right? They freed those civilians from life by testing the first machine gun on them? Real emancipation.

[@cannabiasmedia9008]

@@lookbovine Artificial intelligence with limited capabilities to learn is why they thought 'savage' people deserved to be extorted. Tulsa was years after the civil war btw.

[@fernandoalmeida4772]

History always has various narratives based on facts . If you try to impose your version,then it is not History. It is called ideology ...you are not historians ,but political comissars..

[@vehx9316]

Except the lost causer version is based on pure fantasy, that's not history, that's straight up lying.

[@annalisette5897]

Nick: Are you familiar with the YT channel "Dan Davis Author"? He has very informative videos about Bronze Age culture, warfare, etc.

[@TheCynthiaRice]

You surprised me with this video. Very informative.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Happy to surprise and I’m thrilled that you enjoyed it!

[@cavaleer]

Levin’s input about the Civil War is great, especially regarding our need to romanticize the Civil War which is very problematic but the Civil War wasn’t our “failure”. America is a Civilization level event, not unlike ancient Rome. The Old World was being destroyed in almost every way. Slave labor, one of the most enduring and ubiquitous institutions of the entire species, was one of many Old World features that 1776 dismantled.

[@rockinbobokkin7831]

I'm proud to be a fan of this channel. I like what you are doing.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Proud to have you with us! Means the world!

[@rockinbobokkin7831]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 you're a good dude and I believe you see beyond surface difference in humans. It's a refreshing difference from so many that use ancient history to try to justify ugliness.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

@@rockinbobokkin7831 this comment really means the world and you really see what our goals and mission here is. I feel like it is our job to make sure that ugly abuse of history doesn't go unchallenged.

[@kennethknoppik5408]

My family is from Brazil I have descendants that were slaves and slave owners.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

I am from Virginia, in the USA. I too descend from slaves and slave owners. Fun Fact, a high number of Black Americans can say the same. The Brazilians too, I'm sure.

[@kaarlimakela3413]

All in all, the more I know of history the more horrifying the picture of that reality becomes. Real facts ARE at our fingertips like never before. This is an existential threat to those who have bought the self congratulatory kneejerk reaction to failure and guilt ... In front of God and everybody. I have so much more to say about this, it weighs on me. BLM 👍

[@suziecreamcheese211]

The war like every war was about money. Slaves were money. Plain and simple. No one feels guilty or gives an F. BLM=blind, lunatic, maniacs.

[@ronryan7398]

Interesting. Jan. 6 was at worst a riot, not an insurrection.

[@stevelawrence4722]

This sounds more like opinions. Were are the documeted articles and historical writings from the 1800s that you researched? Just wondering.

[@j.lebowski3917]

Read Levin's book. It's very well researched. Or you can read primary accounts from the southern states themselves.

[@sup8857]

Primary sources aren't opinions.

[@honeybeechanger]

I'm sorry but I'm listening to you and I'm on I'm appalled because it's it's not like there aren't books out there written by esteemed historians, granted there promoted by Fox News and whatnot but the previous generation of historians touted the lost cause. People who are in their forties like me see the other side of it they've had some kind of academic information sometimes thrown at them that that tells them that the Lost cause was revisionist history. The people in their 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s they're listening to Jean was John Wayne in their head and then it gets reinforced by gods and generals movie but came out more recently within the last 10 years. It was full of Lost cause I mean it was a lost cause movie. For fanatics of the civil war, they read anything they can get in their hands on that supports the old lost cause narrative.