The Origins of the Rapture

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[@lourias]

I am "one of those folks" who scrapes by day to day. I would really like to hear what you say about the book of Peter (I think that is what you said.) However, the donation part is a struggle for me. Would you consider posting it here on YT in the future?

[@MarcillaSmith]

Trying to decipher what someone might have meant, writing almost two thousand years ago in a different language and context is certainly no simple task! I used to struggle with this, hoping that one day I would somehow figure it all out. Fortunately, I came to the conclusion that i's not something I need to do, and was never intended for me. Instead, I came home to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church which our Lord founded on the Rock of Pope Saint Peter, where I have found my place amongst Christ's followers in experiencing the continuing revelation of our Lord's good news :) If anyone else is looking for something like that, I hope they will consider joining us!

[@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69]

The Bible is a style of Cryptography. You're taking it literally. It's more symbolic.

[@spacemanonearth]

Would be honored, hope you speak fairly of this gospel, it is one of my favorite texts from the Nag Hammadi Library. I do understand most all of the lines Christ says, but a few like the lyon eating man, or a few others are but a best guess. All the rest are clear to me. Perhaps, the Secret book of John, or On the Origins of the World, would also be good topics of a video if you have not already done them. Thank you very much. Be blessed in your journey. There is truth in all spiritual works, but one must find them, this is true seeking.

[@jdwrink]

I grew up a Southern Baptist, with this rapture ideology. I was blown away when I learned how new the idea of the rapture actually was. Evangelical Christianity is about as much of a new religious movement, distant from historical Christianity, as Mormonism.

[@Hmmmmmmmm320]

Yep same. I hit a rebellious streak and found catholicism and orthodoxy to be superior in their wisdom, authority, and age

[@Hmmmmmmmm320]

Although at least Protestants can be traced back to Catholics. Mormons are just ridiculous

[@jamesbuchanan3145]

​@@Hmmmmmmmm320 #MeToo

[@MrJMB122]

@@Hmmmmmmmm320 same that why I join the OCA

[@ghostsage6421]

How do you explain Thessalonians 4

[@revcc1]

My father always called the rapture his retirement plan. His belief that he would be raptured before death led to bad financial decisions. This is an dangerous aspect of rapture thinking that is seldom talked about.

[@frankmarrero7088]

Bad theology kills.

[@EDD519]

Rapture ! is not in the KJV bible , "caught up" IS !@@frankmarrero7088

[@davidwoods6015]

I remember in 1975 the J.W.s were going gaga because they were being told the world systems would all be destroyed in that year. So many of them believing they would be taken out of here ran up credit cards, defaulted on loans, sold homes to go wait on the mountain top etc. And nothing happened!!!!! What a whiff!!!! And we still have people today preaching that same mentality , you know the one where in the blink of an eye we'll all get raptured out of here. This stuff is getting old!!!!! 1988 and 1989 came and went. 2011 came and went. When are people gonna wake up!!!! This rapture thing is not on the calendar!!!!!

[@EMNstar]

I agree that it should be discussed more

[@HypnoChode74]

This is kind of why I don’t like Protestantism…. Its lead to so many cults and has even lead to the unfortunate rise of atheism in the west due to its denial of early church history.

[@forrestredd2706]

As a Christian, with an insane dad who obviously never read the bible he claimed to quote, the rapture was a source of trauma for me all the way up until the point that I actually read the bible and saw that it wasn't in there. My understanding of Christianity changed SO MUCH when I read it myself and stopped letting other people tell me what it was about. But I will NEVER forget the amount of fear in my heart when my dad was saying the rapture was right around the corner any time anything in the world happened.

[@DarthBoardBVE]

Unfortunately, too many Christians hold to what they’re told without reading the Bible themselves. Shortly after my conversion at age 12, I remember being taught the whole dispensational schema for the future, while studying the book of Revelation. I was too young and inexperienced in Bible interpretation to see how many liberties were being taken with what Scripture actually said. I accepted it, but, as time went on, it made less and less sense to me. A “secret rapture“ just does not appear in the Bible, and I think it’s becoming less popular among evangelicals. Certainly most Reformed believers tend to reject it, as they generally favor covenant theology to dispensationalism. It is sad to me how many Christians seem to have deconstructed,and left the faith because they could not reconcile pet doctrines of their traditions (like the rapture) when it’s not clearly taught in Scripture in the first place!

[@phillipemery572]

@@DarthBoardBVE I've sadly found a lot of this, too. People will explain to me the reasons they left the faith, only for me to inform them that those things aren't anywhere in the Bible, or were apocryphal syncretic material that has been unconsciously incorporated into a lot of Evangelicalism (e.g. Milton). It doesn't mean those things aren't still confusing and incredibly damaging to people, but it's hard to watch people realize they may have given up something they did love over something that they didn't have to believe in the first place.

[@vannavanity1195]

I always felt like Southern Baptists especially were a politically-interested country club that exploits ignorant kids with weird things like "If you ask Christ to save you, you're saved forever." There was no eucharist. The readings were politicalized. After 9/11, the church got church for a few years. It's the kind of place you'd expect MTG to attend. The pastor was my Western Religions professor. He was smarter than you'd expect of most low rent Protestant pastors but his lectures were remarkably shallow. Like a lot of them, he seems to think that Christianity didn't exist until Martin Luther

[@dragonf1092]

The rapture is in the bible. Jesus said he will come like a thief in the night no one will know the day or hour not even the angels in heaven only his father knows when he will send him. Jesus said the dead in him will rise up and join him in the clouds then those who are living who believe in and follow him. Jesus said two men will be walking in the field one will be taken the other left, two women will be grinding in the mill one will be taken the other left. The parable of the bridesmaids and the lamps is about the rapture so yes the rapture is in the bible.

[@vannavanity1195]

@dragonf1092 I'd like to ask the pro-Rapture folks "If no one knows when the Rapture will happen but the Father, how come are you obsessed with it?" They always forget that being a street prophet is a serious sin.

[@jetpetty1613]

Growing up, immersed in the matrix of the tribulation/rapture ideology, I was a very depressed kid. I fully expected to be dead by 16 or at least 17 due to the pervasive doom story. I had a "bucket list" by age 11 and went through a profound depression when I turned 13. However, Im still alive, decades later. Dont raise kids with a doom narrative - they will turn out nihilistic and with lifelong depression. Im much better now, but its taken years of psychological help.

[@Jlezy]

The tribulation is only a doom narrative to those who dont believe, to those who believe, it is comforting, a means to an end, the end being this sinful and corrupted world we live in.

[@jetpetty1613]

@@Jlezy condescending and blind

[@Jlezy]

@@jetpetty1613 Nothing about my comment implies being condescending and or blind, im just stating a fact.

[@Christinamarie0pp]

Hey, all kids are being raised in a doom narrative nowadays with "climate change" instead... Is that one better? At least the world approves..

[@Roflpancakes707]

@@Jlezyhow about you tribulate on these nuts

[@markkozlowski3674]

As a somewhat elderly person, I remember "The Late Great Planet Earth", by Hal Lindsey, which was the bestselling paperback book of the 1970's. Mr. Lindsey predicted that the Rapture would take place before 2000. And, having moved the goalposts, he is still asserting in 2023 that the Rapture is just around the corner!

[@Contemplate55]

Prime example of cognitive dissonance.

[@LimeyLassen]

It's been "just around the corner" for 2000 years

[@colinsmith1495]

@@LimeyLassen Best answer.

[@markkozlowski3674]

@@LimeyLassen As a matter of fact, I just read a fascinating book by Paula Fredriksen entitled, "From Jesus to Christ". The book is about the earliest days of the Christian Church and discusses, among many other things, how early Christians dealt with the fact that end of world had not arrived in spite of the fact that it was widely expected to do so in the early Church.

[@toomanyhobbies2011]

@@Contemplate55 "Cognitive Dissonance is the perception of contradictory information and the mental toll of it." It's a useful concept in education, because we need stress to learn abstraction. Otherwise, learning is nothing more than memorization.

[@odio3965]

From a preacher I listened to years ago at the Bethlehem church, all I can say is this: don't worry about the world's end...worry about your own. It doesn't matter what happens to the world so long as you take care of yourself spiritually. You can save no one's soul, but your own.

[@Shytot-1]

Sadly, you can't save anyone, not even yourself. When oxygenated blood stops flowing to your brain it will begin to die, which means your memory, your hopes, beliefs and dreams will die with it. For you that will be the end, you will cease to exist just like the billions and billions who went before you, it will be as if you never existed. However, if you want to fool yourself into believing that all of that is untrue, you are more than free to do so, don't let a few facts get in the way of a good dream. There is a reason why all religions are called "faiths".

[@ginosko_]

The word is harpazo and His word tells you to pray you are counted worthy to escape all the horrors coming upon this earth. There’s nowhere to hide in the earth. Of course His church is going to be pulled out before the destruction. Another video promoting lies and people in the comment section literally falling for it

[@cathysnyder8559]

Actually you can’t save your soul-only the Lord Jesus Christ can save your soul!

[@Shytot-1]

@@cathysnyder8559 Really? How on earth can an adult believe such nonsense? is it "fear of hell"? Are you afraid of all the other religion's hell? if not why not? because Christianity got to you first. St Ignatius Loyola said? Give me a child until he is seven, and I will show you the man. What he means is, he will scare the child so much that the child will be whatever he is told to be.

[@odio3965]

@@cathysnyder8559Your splitting hairs here. What I mean is only you have control over what you choose to believe or disbelieve. If you trust in Jesus, and at least **attempt** to adhere to what the bible says, that is enough.

[@kid14346]

Honest to god the rapture basically is what caused so much religious trauma for every person I knew growing up. I knew people who contemplated suicide, thought about putting down pets so that the pets wouldn't starve without them, or just have trauma from being forced to live in an apocalyptic family making them extreme nihilists. Why care about anything if the world is going to delete itself at any second? Why make friends outside of your religion if you know they are going to suffer after you leave? Soooooo much trauma...

[@k_schreibz]

This is so crazy to me as someone who grew up Jewish. I feel Judaism is very much rooted in the world and its joys, and our duty to it. There was some vagaries about the messiah and afterlife, but I maybe spent a week or two on these concepts out of 15 years Torah school. I never understood until I was an adult that some of my peers in school found so much terror in their faith, and I can see why.

[@krinkrin5982]

From what I remember from my own religious studies class in school, the passage 'you know not the day nor the hour', which is the closest the Bible gets to the idea of rapture, actually refers to the reader's death, rather than anything as grand as suddenly turning into Superman and flying away. This in itself is already pretty frightening, but not to the point of someone Thanos-snapping your friends and family out of existence. It's basically equivalent to what people think 'memento mori' means nowadays.

[@wakkablockablaw6025]

Really? Can you elaborate more? Can you tell me about the state and year you grew up at? Just curious.

[@kirstencorby8465]

@@k_schreibz from what I've learned Judaism is and always has been vague on the very idea of an afterlife, is that correct? I agree, Judaism has that going for it. My experience of Wicca is similar: live a good life now and the next will take care of itself.

[@ExplainingChristianity]

@@kirstencorby8465 exactly.

[@Snommelp]

When people start in on me with their rapture preparations and predictions, I try to gently remind them that Jesus said nobody knows when the Son of Man will return, so maybe try living the way Jesus commanded us to live instead.

[@KeivanHH]

Growing up in Italy, you are exposed almost exclusively to Catholic beliefs. So I always find fascinating the number of doctrines (sometimes cults) that have been originated in the US, from Mormonism to those who "play" with snakes

[@crazy_ando0113]

Fanno morir dal ridere😂

[@buckarooben7635]

@KeivanHH as a catholic living in America, I can confirm it’s wild.

[@rfwillett2424]

I grew up Church of England, and the only time our family was inside a church was for christenings and weddings. To me this stuff is both fascinating and seriously weird.

[@ThomasD66]

North America in the mid to late 1800s was a veritable font of all manner of "doctrines and cults" from Mormonism, to Progressivism, to American Spiritualism. The extent to which they have penetrated every day existence in the western world is often not well recognized.

[@zarahprater]

Honestly we are all weird, you included

[@DLlama]

What worries me is the many powerful people who believe this, want this, and put their vast resources into making it happen.

[@Theggman83]

You mean like Israel?... They've been screaming for a king/messiah for rhe last few thousand years.

[@colemanroberts6827]

yup especially how it relates to Zionism and the forced removal and killing of Palestinians

[@jessefontenot9846]

I’m confused. How do you make the rapture happen?

[@Theggman83]

@@jessefontenot9846 i think she's referring to the tribulation period itself, not just the event known as the rapture... I could be guessing.

[@OvranoPhanekh]

​@@jessefontenot9846they want the Third Temple to be built and for more chaos in the Middle East, since this accelerates the beginning of the events of the 7 year Great Tribulation (in their interpretation). Most evangelicals believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, which means they believe all the born again Christians will be miraculously raptured in a single moment, and the Tribulation begins after that. The Tribulation and it's events can only happen if the Third Temple is built, so the Antichrist can go into it and commit the Abomination of Desolation, as spoken of in the books of Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation. The Antichrist is also the man who will save Israel in the beginning of the 7 years, but halfway he will commit the Abomination and start killing everyone who doesn't believe he is God. They want to accelerate these circumstances. Chaos in the middle east leading to Israel's dire situation, along with pumping all the money and support they can to ensure Israel survives until the Tribulation begins so the Antichrist's can come on the scene. Antichrist arriving guarantees the Return of Christ and the Pre-Trib Rapture to happen. They are total fools. What if the Rapture is "Post-Tribulational"?, in their own theology this just begins the worst 7 years the world will ever go through and they don't even get to be raptured before it! It's a very heinous religious accelerationism. I am Orthodox Christian and don't believe in pretrib rapture even before I came to Orthodoxy. I was an evangelical before and believed in it in my childhood, very bad for kids... Not to mention US foreign policy making martyrs of Orthodox Christians in Middle East and Eastern Europe.

[@JoshSaysStuff]

I seriously can’t convey how scarring the idea of the rapture was for me as a kid. It didn’t just terrify me whenever I wasn’t aware that my parents and siblings were out of the house; it left me feeling responsible for the souls of every kid around me. The pressure it burdened me with has lingered well into adulthood, even if it no longer has to do with the rapture specifically.

[@kg2096]

I know exactly what you mean. I had the added curse of feeling like I had to repent over and over again whenever the rapture anxiety would well up, and would get caught in an OCD-like tick until the anxiety subsided.

[@LisaSchulanerFineArt]

I hear you. I too grew up with rapture theology. Now I see that Christianity in general creates a life crushing burden to get the world saved and guilt and shame when we can't do it. Even if we believe we are forgiven everyday it still doesn't change the sense of failure.

[@RunaroundAtNight]

Your comment makes me sad. I hope I don't sound condescending, but that is an awful thing to do to a child. A child should be raised with love, hope and understanding, not fear.

[@stargatis]

Yes, a friend I knew would always run the water in her sink to see if it turned ....red.

[@eltonron1558]

The big question. What other doctrine have you bought that has been surmised by men, to be sound, yet little scriptural evidence? It makes no sense that if Christ is to return, and rule, what is the obsession with thinking going to heaven is being with the lord, if he's on earth ruling? So it is, with the trinity, and a host of man made religious ceremony, and Idolatry.

[@zoeye7095]

I remember my grandma used to say "if" and not "when I die". She said "if" for years and even though I was brought up in churches that preached the rapture, I always felt it was weird she did that. She finally started saying "when" about 5 years before she died and although I no longer believed in the rapture or much of the bible by that point, I did feel kinda bad for her that she had given up after believing since the 70s.

[@petratical]

Well, all I know is that I have believed in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 since the 70's, and still look for it, as Paul tells us that believe; "Looking for that blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and savor Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13.

[@rosemadder5547]

It offends my family so bad when I say death is natural and okay and even good.... Family of pastors in Appalachia blah blah... That should explain it 😂

[@petratical]

@@rosemadder5547 Actually, death was not natural nor okay or even good, but rather an enemy (1 Corinthians 15:26) because when God made Adam and Eve they were made to live forever. God even said of all his his creation, “It is good” because there was no death, a concept we can not understand, but one Adam and Eve understood when God killed an animal to fashion clothing to cover them both, as after they sinned, their eye’s were opened revealing their nakedness. This death (sacrifice of blood) was the first on Earth, the second death of great note was that of Jesus Christ death on the cross, shedding his blood to redeem man from the consequence of sin, which is death, Romans 5:17. And 6:23.

[@lde-m8688]

​@rosemadder5547 They everywhere, ain't they? 😂 WV lady here and I grew up in a Church of God Holiness where half my famil6 worked (great-aunt was my Sunday School teacher some grandmother knew if I acted up before I even got back in) so I feel your pain.

[@teresaproaps3621]

@@petratical exactly. Do not let these people steal your hope. They are mistaken.

[@Jin-jooKim]

As someone who grew up in the Bible Belt, went to Christian school, and had periodic panic attacks over the Rapture, this is honestly very reassuring lol. Rapture anxiety is so real.

[@EricForemaaaan]

It was traumatic when the church tried to brainwash me about this. I got muscle shakes, couldn't sleep.

[@letsomethingshine]

I only had one nightmare from it, but it wasn't pushed too aggressively on me except during the stretch I had that nightmare. It was by some "only God is keeping me from murdering babies left and right as I see them" conservative Sunday "school teacher." Thankfully, I had already watched the more Western-Enlightenment/folk-Eastern-themed animes on TV/DVD called Howel's Moving Castle and Spirited Away, respectively. The nightmare involved the sky darkening, and some half vulture/crow big nosed dark wing "angels" descending in hosts/garrisons and one going to every household and asking if people had put the holy-water on their noses or not, as a sign of their faith. There was some sadness involved with I or someone in my family not having done it perhaps running out of time, then I woke up and realized how dumb a "some are left behind flight-rapture" would be (the whole "disappearing" didn't make sense with Paul's literal letter). Then I read some passages in the "O.T." that were supposed to relate to the final judgement, etc. And they literally said that Yahweh/God would "test people like gold and silver are tested through the fire" AT THE END TIMES, so it didn't make sense that he would not test some of "his" people given he didn't mention that some would be excluded in that O.T. passage. Bibliolatry is so ignorant and damaging.

[@lovrboi]

me too! distancing myself from christianity and then starting to learn about the roots of it for myself (through channels like this) have healed so much of my religious trauma and have helped so much

[@EchoLog]

Rapture anxiety 12 years old Wake up alone No phone no internet no tv ".....welp.." Couldn't tell you how many times that happened to me. Felt on purpose around when I stopped counting.

[@senny-]

Oh God, you unlocked a memory to me I never knew existed. Our family weren't super religious by any means, but I did grow up in a Christian household and I read a lot when I was a kid. I stumbled upon books explaining the Rapture, and for nights then, I could sleep. It's just so terrifying getting left behind to suffer for eternity to kid me back then.

[@treelzebub]

I grew up in a Southern Baptist family that deeply believed in the Rapture. I definitely had a few terrified moments when I was the first one home in the afternoon, thinking my family had been taken up, which made me think deeply about my sins. I didn't know any of the history behind the belief till now. This video is so packed with interesting info, I had to watch it twice 👏🏻

[@dangin8811]

Good. Consider your sins intensely.

[@treelzebub]

@@dangin8811 consider your mom.

[@dangin8811]

@@treelzebub yours will consider me for many weeks

[@BlestinTexas24]

And that is our clue. What causes fear, is not of God.

[@memeboi6017]

Its frustrating how such a nonsensical teaching became so widespread This post was made by the Lutheran Gang

[@williamreely3455]

Left Behind is like if God picked M. Night Shyamalan to write a twist ending for the Bible.

[@leyrua]

I feel like if M. Night Shyamalan wrote that story, a possible twist at the end would be that God only likes _skeptics,_ so he _vaporized_ everyone else.

[@leyrua]

Wait.. didn't he actually write a story like this, except anybody who got caught in the darkness would get raptured?

[@NateUnderZion]

M. Night shyamalan has predictable twists 😔

[@btsnake]

You guys should read the books, they're written at like a sixth grade reading level. Truly terrible writing, and the cherry on top is that the authors (yes, two people got together to write these novels) were doing writing classes for a while too.

[@darlahoward1472]

@@btsnakeno bro, You should read the Bible

[@adamiotime]

As an Australian raised as a Catholic to Polish parents... My only knowledge of the rapture was from American pop culture. It feels so foreign to any religious upbringing I had.

[@hadara69]

"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means." ~George Bernard Shaw

[@ProgressivesRgay]

Not me i know Jesus said there are no genders and bathed his homies and removed his single towel

[@Jess38044]

As an ex-evangelical who read the full left behind series (😂), this video brings healing. I'm shocked to learn that this is a fringe idea within Protestant Christianity! But i really shouldn't be. I feel closer to hope with everything with I unlearn. Thank you so much for this and your channel, your work 🙏🙏🙏

[@addisondrudge6908]

SAME! THIS WHOLE VIDEO SHOOK ME. It brings healing, but also anger. I'm feeling very mixed emotions right now.

[@Jess38044]

@@addisondrudge6908 totally understand the anger! Take care of yourself; looking after yourself during this kind of thing is super important

[@RollingCalf]

I'm Jamaican and all denominations there teach about the rapture. I don't know about Roman Catholics though

[@xaayer]

@@RollingCalf my mother is Jamaican and was raised SDA. Rapture theology was denounced and criticized by them.

[@RollingCalf]

@@xaayer i was raised in Sunday church

[@raymondcoventry1221]

I've learned so much about religion and humanity's experience from this channel. It's one of my favorite educational channels of all time.

[@annasimmers9549]

He’s so thorough and unbiased. Pure academic and sensitive and respectful

[@PDXDrumr]

Found this channel in 2022, amazing insight.

[@Maurens1]

It's one of the few channels that make me think "I didn't know how much I didn't know"

[@sarysa]

Found it several years ago when the algorithm was suppressing it due to its subject matter. The level of respect for and distance from its subject matter meant that it was simply a matter of time before it got given a second look. A few years and 600k added subscribers later, seems like Google fixed the problem. Glad to see this channel thriving.

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

Its close but his sources like bartman are deconstructionist mine as well be physical extremist or humanist sources. In america certain groups politcally pay them to try and mess with the christians

[@JDA89]

"And the Truth shall set you free"

[@donnaleveron5711]

John 8:31-32

[@stylis666]

Free from the burden of dogma, indeed. Too bad that theists don't care about what is actually true and instead just make up what they want to be true and they'll cherry pick any verse from their holy book to pretend they're making a point while living contradictory to their words.

[@borkabrak]

The problem is our different methods of determining truth. Some go by what they can see. Some by what they're told.

[@JDA89]

@@borkabrak the Bible has told you plenty of times that we walk by faith and not by sight. To call things that aren't as though they were/are. If you believe There is only one Truth, that is His. Ours, Mine, Yours don't exist.

[@stylis666]

@@JDA89 Well, then you just admited that your blind and dogmatic. Makes sense, one will inevitably lead to another. It's the most obvious of infinite severe problems inherent to faith that harm individuals as well as entire societies. The scientific method is the most reliable way to jusrifiably have confidence in knowing what is true because of actionable and demonstrable foundations, findings, and patterns. Faith has none of that, it's just blind, dogmatic make belief.

[@davidskszp1408]

I'm an exchristian in Latin America and although for a few years I had realized how biased were the Bible interpretations I was thought, it had never crossed my mind how this core belief was really not standing on solid ground at all. It's been long since I refused to continue believing in their ideas, but after watching this I feel lied to. I understand belief systems are complex and nuanced, but the community I grew in has this idea so fixed in both belive and practice that you would think it was more coherent within its own context and theology, but it's holding to thin air only and being used as a huge threat to all behavior of beliveres

[@rfij3268]

i am catholic from south america, and when i was little i always though it was strange about why the rapture was not in the bible despite the american media describing it, Then I realized that it was just a belief of the evangelicals from there XD

[@raulnatokapa]

Así que hablas español? :3

[@davidskszp1408]

@@raulnatokapa pero por supuesto

[@davidskszp1408]

@@rfij3268 yeah totally, I just bought it from the constant repetition of the interpretation of that one passage

[@rfij3268]

@@raulnatokapa y yo tambien compa

[@mothra4445]

I was 25 years old the first time I read the New Testament, so I came into it with no preconceived ideas, and never talk to anybody about it, I just wanted to read it for myself. I was actually surprised when someone mentioned to me that there is a pre-tribulation rapture because I did not see that anywhere in the Bible. I studied it closer and it wasn’t there. I am very happy to see more and more people are coming to realize there is no pre-tribulation rapture, just the second coming of Christ after tribulation.

[@vickieallsopp137]

Agree!!❤

[@teresaproaps3621]

It IS THERE! Read Thessalonians. It is also referred to many times in other places. You have to know what it is talking about tho.

[@jbmac4889]

What people don't understand is just what constitutes tribulation (You really do need eyes to see and ears to hear what the spirit is saying. Read the books that were removed from the bible, Jude the apostle recommends a prophet called Enoch. I have the R.H. Charles rendition. You find an on line copy for free. Just copy, and paste in you dockets. Seriously there were books removed from the canon over the years, But by the grace of God Some have been returned. These really are the keys to the kingdom that were removed. You need the Holy Spirit to understand the scriptures not mans interpretation of them trust in Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

[@mothra4445]

@@jbmac4889 You’re correct that a number of books that were available during Jesus’ time have been systematically buried. The apostles quoted from the book of Enoch. I’ve actually read it before but it was way over my head. So many people have a few scriptures that they know by heart but don’t really appreciate what all there is to truly having wisdom. That can take a lifetime of study. Lord bless you in your personal pursuit of understanding!

[@REV-mu5tu]

ITS there Dear Just Gotta have the spiritual eyes to SEE it 100% Pretrib

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

Imagine my shock that something essential to Christian Fundamentalism has no basis in the Bible. I grew up around a lot of Evangelicals and they don't know anything about the Bible. It's actually kind of weird. I made the terrible mistake of trying to date a girl who was a devout Evangelical back in the early 2000s. I studied the Bible to try to understand her. It... didn't go well. She was a nice girl, but her dad couldn't stand the possibility that I was either Catholic or Jewish.

[@billbadson7598]

Catholic OR jewish?

[@jamesbuchanan3145]

​@@billbadson7598 My question as well....

[@iggyzeta9755]

@@billbadson7598 Basically, a Christian can be too pagan (Catholicism is considered overly pagan in flavour and thought by certain Protestant fundamentalists) or too symptomatic of the pre-Christ belief in God (Jews are considered in denial about Jesus being the Son of God).

[@billbadson7598]

@@iggyzeta9755 so was he catholic or jewish?

[@carywest9256]

Well, are you a frequently knee bender or a non pork consumer? Inquiring minds want to know!

[@guttaslimes]

I rememebr a girl in my class was obsessed with these books. She went on to be an essential oil peddler and promoted several MLMs. Feels like certain types are just on rails to a very odd path in life.

[@starmaker75]

One of my favorite things about this rapture is that when many non evangelical and Iman/Muslims priest are given this question they go "only god really knows" which a polite way of saying "please stop asking me that question"

[@AnotherCraig]

I think it was Frank Herbert who wrote that the "unwritten commandment of all religions is: thou shalt not question"

[@YES-ol7el]

I mean, can you blame them?

[@robertdowns9534]

Which is smart. Asking that question is like the blind leading the blind. Just read the Bible and ask God your questions. Your mind will eventually be opened to the truth.

[@billbadson7598]

Would you prefer they make something up and dogmatically insist it is the truth when in fact they do not know?

[@Milliardo5]

@@robertdowns9534 The Bible doesn't talk; it needs man to explain it, that is why we have priests and pastors. It is often amusing that even the most so-called Bible-based Evangelical cult--I mean church--still has a pastor even while insisting that the Bible is all you need. I often want to ask the cult leader--I mean pastor--why he has that job if the Bible is all we need, which makes him a hypocrite and a liar basically.

[@Haibing22]

As someone who grew up in a catholic country (help!) and studied in a religious school, I never heard of the rapture. I remember hearing it mentioned in popular American media and not knowing what they were talking about.

[@josepheridu3322]

Most Catholics believe Jesus' kingdom will be established, not in the rapture but some Catholics probably do.

[@stls800]

​@@josepheridu3322they don't, it's heretical

[@RestingJudge]

​@josepheridu3322 by in large we Catholics are Amillennial, although we don't typically put much emphasis on the end times in general, so the idea of the pretrib rapture is nonsensical even to Catholics who do focus on the end times.

[@Player-re9mo]

As an Orthodox I share the same experience. I had no idea what the Americans meant by rapture.

[@gilbertotoledo1421]

​@@Player-re9moOrthodox and Catholics usually tend to be on the same page on about 95% of everything.

[@mpetersen6]

As my father-in-law used to say about people expecting the second coming any moment. "What makes them think they are so special that it will happen during their lifetime."

[@kid14346]

I always believed that it was just old people who were scared to face their own deaths so they want a 'quick and painless' salvation from death. If you just are supernaturally spirited away you don't have the pain and agony of disease or injury.

[@debrathompson3755]

I was shocked when I found out 'rapture' wasn't even in the Bible.

[@havenmist2216]

All Christians, no matter where they are in rhe stream of time, are commanded to keep on the watch. It's part of being Christian.

[@nbt3663]

And I would say to him, "what makes me feel so special that Jesus would want me in heaven for eternity?" (Like I do.)

[@nbt3663]

Hebrews proves we are all saved the same way. We believe God and what He says, and it is counted unto us as Righteousness. (I believe, or faith in that to mean salvation. But know this, Jesus will defend His Word and that is comforting to me.

[@GaboCO316]

The fact that ADULTS believe this is crazy💀

[@Kman.]

...and YOU believe in___________?

[@someonesomeone25]

I used to believe it. Now I don't. It is crazy.

[@Kman.]

@@someonesomeone25 What "CRAZY" thing is it you believe in now?

[@someonesomeone25]

@@Kman. Nothing crazy. Bog standard nihilism.

[@mmarshfairc3]

@@Kman.Religious people love to think that everyone on the planet is religious whether they realize it or not. They insist on “secularism” being a religion in of itself, or that atheists worship science or something. They / you can’t comprehend someone who isn’t spiritual at all. That we are all just lying to ourselves.

[@nowhereman6019]

I hate this sort of fear mongering so much. It's genuinely traumatic for people who are raised being told that this will happen.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Too much fear mongering and heavy handedness, and not enough love and acceptance was what caused many youth to flee the churches as far back as the 1960s, as shown in the film Jesus Revolution.

[@camh1149]

You literally stole those words out of my mouth !!! I agree with you 100%. What bunch of f*cked ups came up with these weird, scary, unsubstantiated fairytales ! The morons... And I can go on like this forever...

[@snoopiibeatz]

I was raised COGIC and they preached this nonsense so I was scared for a while then when I got older left and forgot about it 😂

[@theway674]

Get ready to be surprised.

[@camh1149]

@@theway674 and may I ask how would we be surprised ? I'm curious...

[@ghidotheone]

This topic has been one of the many culture shocks I’ve experienced as I’ve transitioned out of Christianity. The fact that most people don’t believe the Rapture as fact was so odd to me. I was raised with it as a pure fact, that it was coming literally any day now, and you better be good or you’ll be left behind! Living life as if the world could end any minute is not good for the mental health, or the development of a child.

[@MarquisSmith]

It's not only most people; most variations of Christianity don't subscribe to the idea either. It seems to be an American thing. Shrugs.

[@LimeyLassen]

Even though American Evangelicals call themselves "Fundamentalists" who profess to take the Bible literally, in fact much of their doctrine is based on very creative readings of the text and even dream revelation. I grew up in a community like that myself, and I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that they're living in a wholly different reality than the rest of the secular world.

[@FrikInCasualMode]

But works great at keeping flock quiet and obedient. That's all there is to it.

[@mkovis8587]

That's quite sad, because if you've been sealed with the holy Spirit of promise you will not be left behind. You get sealed with it the moment you understand the gospel and trust on the blood of Christ that he shed to pay for your sins, and that he rose again on the third day. Question is, have you had that moment of believing on Christ, or were you just a churchian who went to church and believed you'd get to heaven because you go to church and are good enough ? 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. --- Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. ---- 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. ---- 9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? 10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. ^^ from this we can see that God sees turning from ones evil ways as a work. So turning from sin is a work. And works don't save.

[@LimeyLassen]

@@mkovis8587 When someone says they're an ex-Christian it's safe to assume they've already read the scriptures. Citing verses at them is not productive, or respectful.

[@ethanmartin2781]

I grew up southern evangelical. It blows my mind how some of the doctrine I took for granted is actually on the fringes of Christian belief. I was taught that huge chunks prophecy were fulfilled in the last century and that, roughly speaking, the events of the “Left Behind” series could transpire at any moment. Scary!

[@Koyomix86]

@@makepeoplemadI agree and I align more with Catholicism (I’m new to Christianity and haven’t been confirmed in any church yet) it isn’t a complete Protestant issue though. Most Protestants also think the rapture is ridiculous but the Protestants who have the most influence on Christian pop culture in America are these evangelical mega church style baptists (not saying all baptists are bad). Could you please explain the spiritual dead being resurrected? The end times are not something that I have been focusing on learning so I’m curious to hear the Orthodox view.

[@beasthunt]

@@makepeoplemad That's absolute nonsense and a complete bastardization of the word of God. You do understand that the scripture is extremely important. You don't focus on the rapture "too much" it's literally the next huge event in human history....lol.

[@michaelcastro5339]

The events of the left behind can't happen because that book is incorrect on how the Rapture will take place, the rapture will not happen at random when no one is looking or expecting, the rapture will happen only when the antichrist enters the rebuilt temple in Israel and proclaim himself god in there... it will not happen before that day, that is what Paul explained in 2nd Thessalonians.

[@michaelcastro5339]

@@makepeoplemad The second coming isn't the Rapture you're right, the second coming happens after the Great Tribulation which is after the Rapture.. there fixed your understanding of the bible regarding that part. Also, not sure how you can be proud to be ignorant... "We also never read Revelations in Liturgy, since it's unfulfilled prophecy" ... that's the weirdest flex I ever heard, who acts like it's a great thing to be ignorant of things that God went out of His way to tell us about on purpose? Then again the Orthodoxy is basically the same thing as the Catholics, your temples are full of images of saints and other apostasies, so why bother actually trying to learn the truth right?

[@OrangeRaft]

@@michaelcastro5339 nope much of revelation is fulfilled in 70 AD. Also The thousand year reign was already fulfilled in two ways: 1. The Church 2. The conversion of the Roman Empire into the Christian Byzantine Empire which reigned for more than 1000 years. Revelation is not read in liturgy because the book was not deemed officially canonical until much later than the other books of scripture (oh by the way, who determined which books were canonical and would go into the Bible? Oh yeah it was the Orthodox lol). Regardless Revelation contains the patterns history and is extremely important and obviously much remains unfulfilled. Of course, rapture isn’t in the book so that’s fake but it does portray the second coming and also the council of the saints who are offering bowls of our prayers to God (that’s called intercessory prayers of the Saints which of course is denied by evangelicals).

[@baronghede2365]

As a person who grew up in a Christian Baptist; family i totally believed this in my younger years, Blessed Be.

[@ritchie6162]

Saaaame

[@hansspiegl8684]

Great! Thank you, as European I was always wondering why this evangelical Americans are obsessed with rapture, now I understand.

[@robertvazquez2964]

Because these people are too weak to endure persecution like all other Christians throughout history and in other parts of the world do

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Being an American Christian myself who never fully bought into the rapture concept, I think a lot of misconceptions like that comes from us getting too caught up in popular culture and not thinking for ourselves- which could be why God allowed us to lose all cultural influence to shake up the church and force us to get our priorities straight.

[@xposelies2417]

Well said

[@STho205]

Since the British have mostly aposticized their official and dissenter religion since WW2 they have forgotten it and just assume it is American. Modern media will ride any wave of faddishness that sells copy. It is easier to get published in America than any other nation.

[@westenicho]

When I was younger, growing up in church, one of the biggest problems I had with youth leaders or anyone in the church was their wholesale adherence to rapture theology. If you asked them to show you simple things-like the chronology of where it comes from in the Bible-you would immediately draw personal criticism. Having studied so much Christian and Jewish texts over the years I have just accepted that churches are places for social gathering and belonging, not much else.

[@Apinetree123]

When it comes to protestantism, you couldn't be more right.

[@sizzle1836]

I highly recommend “the meaning and end of religion” by Wilfred Cantwell Smith!

[@deatheragefarms]

@@Apinetree123 Yeah the Catholics have kinda a long record of making up extra-Biblical beliefs as well. Papal infallibility, transubstantiation, abortion bans, celibacy of the priesthood...

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

Agreed

[@hydra7427]

The problem is that modern Christianity is often preached from a position of complete and total divorce from its original contexts, by preachers who are either ignorant of that context or desperate to make their faith more 'relevant'. Fanfiction piles on top of fanfiction, until nobody can articulate why they believe certain things anymore. It's not only the twisting of the Bible's origin messages, but also the advancement of things that you yourself might not believe but some past preacher did and you're just parroting that along in a game of telephone.

[@stephenwodz7593]

There's a certain arrogance in believing that the world must come to an end while the believer is living in it.

[@thetayz72]

I think to most rapture believers It's not belief that the world must come to and end while they're alive, just that if it does, they're gonna be spared the experience. Though maybe it originated the way you've described it when Paul was helping early Christians to cope with it not arriving soon enough.

[@savedbygrace8337]

John 16:33 “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”

[@kellywalker1664]

That's why I converted to Madness. May Chthulu and his Elder God entourage eat me first and spare me the horror of their wrath on the rest of the world.

[@squirreljones3595]

John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times All doctrines here in Mystery Babylon say there's a thousand or more years after the day Jesus calls the Last day How about that arrogance

[@thedayisathand726]

​@@squirreljones3595 a day is 1,000 years in this case. The last day literally means the last 1,000 year period of time in God's 7,000 year plan to redeem the earth.

[@ScrimmyBingus42]

My parents grew up in a Christian fundamentalist doomsday cult, and told us stories about what they were taught. Everyone in the church was constantly told that judgement day was right around the corner, and they were the true chosen children of God and would be saved from doomsday. The were fully in on the UPC being the mark of the beast thing. Thankfully, they had left the church long before I was born.

[@HellaJ77]

Grew up in a rapture, death cult. We were not taught to grow up and give to the world. Education was restricted. As children and young adults, we were taught the rapture was coming at any moment, and to be prepared. (Sinless.). Jobs, family, friends, hobbies, education meant nothing. We were to make it to the rapture. This causes stunted growth, social and economic problems, and absolute trauma and fear. It took me 30 years to get away, but I am so happy I did even though I am mourning the life I didn’t get to live due to the lies put forth by this doctrine

[@sarahrosen4985]

This reinforces my opinion that this is just another abusive cult founded by psychopaths.

[@djurote3932]

@@sarahrosen4985 It is, Darby a nutty guy, Scofield was typical fraudster, and all those little groups are nothing but a cults.

[@cr0nes611]

Sorry that you had to grow up with that :(

[@davidwoods6015]

I gotta say ideas have consequences and certainly your testimony is living proof of that. I've been around certain people in my Christian experience that were definitely on the fringes. And all I could do was step away from them. If in this Christian life you find a worthy calling be careful to handle with care . I'm a partial preterist, not ever gonna ascent to any "rapture theology"!!!! I first heard this catching away stuff in the early 70s with the so called Jesus Movement. Hal Lindsay and the Late Great Planet Earth. I laughed all the way home!! This idea is so ridiculous it's not even worth describing. Too many people are stuck with this misguided theology!!!!!!

[@woundedsoulhealer2652]

So glad you have been set free from that… whom the Son sets free, is free indeed 🙏

[@traildoggy]

I remember in the 1980s Ron Reagan's Interior Secretary James Watt seriously argued that we did not need to protect our natural resources because, based on the bible, the world would be ending soon.

[@MissAnn999]

He also said when the last tree is chopped down, Jesus will return.

[@barbaraaly6186]

I had a biology professor with the same views.

[@rdklkje13]

That is the most tragic thing about this misguided fringe belief - its connections to fossil fools and US politicians resulting in a race to destroy Earth’s habitable biosphere for the rest of us and countless other species.

[@neoqwerty]

@@barbaraaly6186 Should have encouraged that biology professor to go pet a glaucus atlanticus.

[@jackreisewitz6632]

Myaunt had the same views. We shouldn't worry about pollution, or driving entire species into extinction. or nuclear war, or squandering earths resources because God was going to renew the Earth at his coming. Doesn't sound like "Wise Stuardship to me.

[@wfcoaker1398]

I've been a Christian all my life. I never even heard of "the rapture" till a few years ago and it was so weird to hear of it. It's like fundamentalist Christianity is a totally different religion, I don't recognize much of the faith I grew up with in fundamentalism, and at times, it's the complete opposite of what I was taught.

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

As an ex Christian I find the diversity within Christianity fascinating, and sometimes entertaining

[@nikolatrbojevic253]

​@@MaryamMaqdisiwhy are you ex one?

[@LowenKM]

Yep, like it's no longer enough to be 'Saved'... now American Evangelicals gotta invent ever more 'extreme' examples of their 'Specialness' (aka, Narcissism).

[@EinsteinsHair]

It is not as if the rapture is a completely new idea. It can be traced back to the Old Testament stories of Enoch and Elijah being taken alive into heaven.

[@suranumitu7734]

​@@EinsteinsHairthose were single persons and it had nothing to do with Jesus or the end-times.

[@Spugizakom]

Matthew 24:40-42 "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."

[@karlgrimm3027]

I grew up going to Catholic schools and was taught that the Rapture was a weird Protestant idea that they came up with because they didn’t want to admit that they would suffer even though Good Christians suffer throughout the Bible. Just what I learned in school.

[@gottenspider2057]

Brutal but kinda true. American Evangelical protestantism, especially the “health and wealth” and word of faith Pentecostal types have a real problem with suffering. Some genuinely believe that Christians who suffer disease and the like only do so because they don’t have enough faith. Contrast that with Catholic and Orthodox theology surrounding suffering. Night and day.

[@ianlilley2577]

If you think about it, it sounds like when the end of days does happen. Which i sort of assume will be a cranking of the pain and chaos to 11, wouldnt experiencing such suffering make evangelicals apostasize?

[@maciejszulc2684]

As a European ex-Catholic, I was just told that "Rupture" is just another English world for "Second Coming" or "Final Judgement". I'm only now learning how weird it really is.

[@RaptureReadyforJesus-qv2ql]

But Catholics do not teach the full truth in regard to Jesus

[@ianlilley2577]

@@RaptureReadyforJesus-qv2ql the churches which descend from Jesus and Apostles are that of the Holy Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches, we've stood for millenia teaching about Christ

[@frankiemiller5364]

I grew up watching the Left Behind movies. My mom read me the books as a kid. Scared me more than anything. I remember trying to comfort my little brother who was terrified of “Mr. Rapture”. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@quantum5147]

I grew up in an extremely conservative religious family. The church we went to had literal "Rapture drills" in which we had to practice. We would watch videos about the rapture all the time. This was all terrifying and caused me so much trauma. It took me years into my adulthood to deprogram myself from the mental abuse that I went through. That's what mostly drove me away from being a religious or dogmatic person. I do believe that teaching such concepts are dangerous for children as it is a form of abuse. Evangelical practices are gross.

[@ThumbKnuckle]

Evangelicals are only conservative relative to the 1950s, anytime before that and they'd be mega fringe. Orthodoxy is the way.

[@christiansoldier77]

@quantum5147 Stop with the terrifying nonsense. You probably look at all sorts of different vampire and demonic movies but yet the rapture is so terrifying lol

[@ThumbKnuckle]

@@christiansoldier77 it's not biblical, but it's scary because of ambiguity, but then again we could be wiped out by forces of nature at any time any way, so we should just hope in the resurrection. Orthodoxy is the way.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@ThumbKnuckle It is biblical. The bible literally speaks about multiple times. It isn't scary . What is scary about joining with Jesus ? No we are not going to be wiped out by nature. That's a myth created by the climate change people.

[@kurremkarmerruk8718]

​@@christiansoldier77Children are not typically exposed to horror films or told to believe they are true, with the threat of eternal damnation as a consequence of disbelief. But the real damage to children is epistemic: if you are told doubt is sin, never develop the critical thinking tools required to question what you're being 'taught,' and are fed ideas you are unable to break down, you're being brainwashed. As an adult that damage is compounded when you realise how much time you have lost and how much work you will need to put in to achieve parity with people who have been raised to think pluralistically. It's not just an intellectual crisis for the individual, all this takes an emotional toll which you will also need to overcome, usually without the support of your immediate family (who caused the damage in the first place).

[@Brandon-rc9vp]

Cage is the dude who will take any role, despite his high level of raw acting skill. Amazing in things like Bring Out Your Dead, Raising Arizona, or Leaving Las Vegas - while at the same time doing movies like The Wicker Man, Ghost Rider, and Left Behind. Definetely hurts him at the box office, I generally won't watch a Cage movie until public opinion has been established and it is well out of the theaters.

[@EricDaMAJ]

Cage is horrendously bad at handling money. He spends extravagantly on luxuries and was on the verge of bankruptcy for years. So he took up every movie offered.

[@windihari]

As an atheist turned Christian I read the Bible on my own many times before going to a church. Once I began attending in the early 90s I was surprised by the "Pre-tribulation Rapture" doctrine. I had never read anything in the Scriptures that prepared me for this doctrine. I was fully prepared to go through the "10 Days of Awe" and joyfully embrace my destiny as a soldier of Christ standing against the Beast system "occupying" until Jesus returned. In the 30 years of rigorous study since then I am more againItst this doctrine than ever. I agree with Corrie tenBoom.

[@edwinholcombe2741]

What do you agree with Corrie Ten Boom about?

[@carywest9256]

Who is Corrie tenBoom?

[@edwinholcombe2741]

@carywest9256 She is a Dutch Lady who hid Jews during the German occupation in WWII.

[@paulbegley1464]

They are afraid suffering and hardship. I believe that it's a part of being a Christian myself.

[@edwinholcombe2741]

@@paulbegley1464 I agree

[@Todd.P]

As a Catholic, I am taught that the "rapture" described in the New Testament occurs only when Christ returns. Based on scripture, it seems this is after the Tribulation, but just before the Wrath. There is nothing in scripture that says Christ will return twice!

[@stevekerp1]

As a Catholic, you need to look long and hard at what you've been taught. I understand the difficulties with end-times issues and we can't be dogmatic. Be reconciled with God and grow up in all things in Christ. Then let God be God and work things out as He sees fit.

[@teresaproaps3621]

Oh, yes, there is. He does not come down to the earth at the rapture. That's why it is the catching away. We are caught up together with Him in the clouds. When He returns and sets His feet on the Mount of Olives, He comes as a judge.

[@canadiankewldude]

*_God Bless_*

[@grahamjones548]

Jesus the son of Almighty God Jehovah returned in 1914 and will soon destroy all but one of some 30,000 different religious groups claiming to represent Jesus Christ and Almighty God Jehovah give praise to his name and keep living...

[@miamiman196]

​@@grahamjones548can you tell us more about this Jesus that came in 1914?

[@SuperCaleb283]

It's almost nauseating to learn the history of the beliefs I was raised on like this, thank you so much for laying it out so clearly.

[@wombatkins]

American born religions are especially batshit crazy. I mean, app religion is a tool for control, but yeah...

[@terintiaflavius3349]

All you had to do was read the Bible, you would of found there was no rapture. The only person raptured was Enoch

[@jthomas7904]

​@@terintiaflavius3349 How many "Reapings"?

[@nathanclose7238]

Growing up the idea of the rapture terrified me as a kid. To think that this world I just entered could end any moment. And he only eat out would be to believe in God and Jesus. It's sad that this is one of those things that kept me a Christian while I was young. Kids will take what the adults say around them as truth if you let them.

[@Psychol-Snooper]

Okay, so the Evangelicals are to Christianity what Sovereign Citizens are to modern law.

[@wfcoaker1398]

Pretty much.

[@crisgon9552]

That's beautiful lol. Most believe in a literal 6 day creation and Noah's flood. They are scared that most Christians no longer see this as literal and they double down on their "science".

[@cherisseepp5332]

There’s a lot of overlap between the two groups.

[@j3i2i2yl7]

White evangelical christians vote for Trump. How far do you have to diverge from the New Testament to vote for Trump?

[@robertvazquez2964]

@@crisgon9552check out the Urantia book a very different kind of Christianity

[@seantlewis376]

I grew up Catholic, seriously Catholic. I was an altar boy, my sister was a lectern, my dad was in the Knights of Columbus, and my mother volunteered at the local nunnery, and believed unto her deathbed a concept of "Catholic Spiritualism" which involved talismen, special ceremonies, and such. My sister and I went to Catholic schools. That's how Catholic we were. After I left the Church as a teen, I started exploring other religions, mostly Protestant, but also other traditions like Buddhism, and ecumenical like Unitarianism. It was during that Protestant phase that I learned about this idea of the Rapture. From the beginning, I thought it would make an entertaining fictional book or movie, but people actually believe this stuff! It's like believing that Star Wars is a documentary.

[@DawnDavidson]

Wait, what? Star Wars ISN’T real? But then how do you explain duct tape? It has a dark side and a light side, and it binds the universe together. How can you not see that as reflection of the Truth of The Force?? 😂

[@mrnarason]

So what do you believe now?

[@terminatorofsimps8255]

Being an altar boy from a catholic family and going to catholic schools makes someone “seriously catholic“? And here I was thinking that to be a true catholic is to understand and belive in the teachings of the catholic church and to love God with all our heart. 🤦‍♂️

[@johntresemer5631]

more support for the idea of extraterrestrial influence, people getting beamed up into the clouds stuff. more support for the idea that Evangelicals love Trump because they think that he is their best bet for being raptured.

[@ItsMe-ic7on]

When you went to church or math did they speak in Latin?

[@Fennels444]

As a Christian the rapture never made sense to me it’s like a big plot hole

[@starmaker75]

I mean depending on the interpretation of revelation being the crisis of 3rd century of Rome or symbolic of any big crisis, we technically had many raptures

[@danielbroome5690]

The inability of a priest to even be able to point it out in the bible was one of perhaps a dozen contradictions I noticed as a literal child that made me rapidly become a non-believer. The Church does NOT have the power to proselytize to people with autism or ADD lol

[@josepheridu3322]

Ummm, why?

[@RedSpade37]

​@@danielbroome5690And woe betide them when you have both!

[@Fennels444]

@@starmaker75 I guess if you define any fall of civilization as a rapture yeah

[@MartijnMuller]

As a former Jehovah's Witness, this was very insightful and it's clear how many of Darby's ideas were transferred over beyond merely the idea of rapture.

[@davidwoods6015]

You are correct!!! The heavenly class and the earthly class!!; Sounds familiar. The J.W.s have hammered on this for years. These ideas came out of the 2nd great awakening in America and the British Isle's in the form of a dispensational approach that divided believers into different groups. In the J.N. Darby idea God has a separate plan for the Jews over and against the church. And of course the J.W.s had a heavenly and earthly class. Once again , a lot of goofy ideas came out of the so called "2nd great awakening.in early 19th century. Mormons, 7th Day Adventism, "New Thought", Watchtower, Mary Baker Eddy ,a little later on. Many, many aberrational concepts from that period,.!!!!!!!

[@soldiernomore3843]

Yes the JWS have a rapture ( don’t call it a rapture belief) Like many of his time Russel was a cherry picker. So sad the rank and file JW has no knowledge of this history . They live by “Its just around the corner “ since 1874

[@davidwoods6015]

@@soldiernomore3843 And the JWs don't talk about 1975!!!!! When they lost one half of their membership because the end of "all things" didn't happen!!!!! Sooooo!!! In the same vein, what are Christians gonna do when this "heaven bound" rapture doesn't happen. ? Jonestown? I'm serious!!!!;

[@daydream5120]

@@soldiernomore3843As a former ex JW, that thought was always scary to me but then I realized how often they say it and it’s still “just right around the corner”

[@tamtamtt63]

I'm confused about what being an x Jehovah's witness has to do with it 🤔❤️

[@johannOplease]

You can always count on ‘Murican ‘Vangelicals for the most craziest takes on Christianity

[@davidmacdonald8882]

They are doing their damndest to turn Jesus into a four letter word.

[@grantsmythe8625]

Painfully true.

[@grantsmythe8625]

@@davidmacdonald8882 Friend, you may have just penned the most insightful comment to date on Evangelicalism and how it's distorting Christianity and turning so many people against it.

[@STho205]

However the movement was from Plymouth England and John Darby was an Irish protestant minister born City of Westminster London England. If there were not obviously contradictory prophesies in old and new testament orthodox canon, then such interpretations and movements would not take root. Confusion leads to imaginative choice and a sense of assembling the puzzle. In the Gospel of Mark, Jesus mostly talks plain and does not couch his philosophy in riddles. His Apostles still don't get it...he says that several times. In Matthew the personality of Jesus is described as somewhat annoyed with his Apostles like he is about to go outside and yell. When people are told things they do not want to hear, often they act stupid, obtuse or selectively deaf...like toddlers.

[@nickapvikes]

I like this one: _The Americanization of the Apocalypse: Creating America's Own Bible_ (2023, Oxford) by Donald Akenson

[@johnwallace2319]

Missionary kid here, parents were southerners, and this was a huge wedge between my family and every other american family we met (not families from other countries, just Americans). My father considers this near heresy, pure wishful thinking that has no basis in the bible, reality or logic. I'm glad that he taught me to rebuff these pro-rapture arguments. Read the originals, the different versions of the originals, the translations, the different translations, context is everything and remember that each verse should strengthen the others, not force them to stretch beyond disbelief.

[@kevchard5214]

So you were abused as a child is what you are admitting.

[@chkingvictim]

@@kevchard5214WHAT are you on about

[@kevchard5214]

All mercenary children are abuse either sexually or mentally or both. @@chkingvictim

[@mdorn6592]

Look a little closer...Luke 21:36 (read it)...be careful of leading people astray...Jesus went to prepare a place for us and will be coming back in a time 'As in the days of Noah' people eating, drinking, marrying and given in marriage' (Mark 24:38) - this obviously is 'before' tribulation because tribulation is going to be so horrendous people will JUST be trying to survive

[@johnwallace2319]

why are you mixing scripture? why must we take a reference in Luke and make it fit in with Mark and then bring it into Revelations? Why must you change the context? You are cherry picking to make it all follow poorly written fantasy fiction from the 20th century. Who was Luke written for? What was it talking about. Was it the same as for Mark? Revelations? No? Then stop spreading lies. None of this means "poof and you're gone, lucky you!" @@mdorn6592

[@JustClaude13]

I was working on a story about a devout church filled with True Christians, except for that one poor trash family who were considered no better than they should be. And when the Rapture comes, that family is the only one missing from the congregation.

[@MissAnn999]

Also in the 70s, there was that Christian rapture horror movie series that started with "A Thief in the Night." Those movies were shown in churches, and traumatized many children especially.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

That's precisely why I consider the rapture to be unbiblical; it brings terror only to the believers who ought to feel secure.

[@Zictomorph]

Me too! Whenever my parents were late to pick me up or I walked home and my mom left for groceries without telling me, I wasn't freaking out, but I definitely thought about the possibility I was left behind.

[@normanclatcher]

Boomer children, mostly.

[@deydrm]

Traumatized? Oh the horror!!! Jesus returning for the church,before the wrath of God falls on the world. Oh the horror!! IF,you're not a Christian! And guess what? ALL the children get taken in the rapture. I guess your pastor wasn't educated.

[@rolingpingu]

To this day, I still cannot believe this content is free. This is the only channel on this platform that I have ever felt like donating to.

[@hadara69]

"Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise." ~Sam Pascoe

[@E-s.thoughts]

yes, and after twenty centuries of traveling and "developing," Christianity still cannot prove that it is anything other than a belief in a delusion. Two-thirds of Americans may embrace that religion in some way, but that doesn't convince me at all, on the contrary! But then again, I'm not an American...

[@nalcon1]

The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.”

[@Dpm540]

Greek word is harpazo

[@donnaleveron5711]

See Matthew 24:29-31, verse 30 uses gathered together.

[@bridgetdowning7819]

I'm catholic, started going to a southern Baptist Church every other Sunday with my boyfriend and his grandma... I'm gonna stick with Catholicism in the long run, thanks, but we started going in January and were still talking about Revelation and the rapture in September

[@mdorn6592]

Don't. It's apostate. You are not to worship saints and mother Mary...and the pope is a heretic

[@dormamo6917]

Are you still going to stay as catholic even if you attend baptist church

[@masonkiel]

Hello, I believe you should watch some videos on KZbin by Mike Gendron about Catholicism with an open and yearning heart ❤

[@JuanGonzalez-kb3gm]

⁠​⁠@@masonkiel yep you are right.Here is a video where Mike debates a Catholic that knows his stuff! To me the Catholic Church was completely wrong because I completely knew nothing, after reading and watching a couple videos “wow” 100% Catholic! I do give Mike credit he is brave for defending his thoughts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGi8nZivg9OBic0si=lqhE9zOxEo0gmM6l

[@davidwoods6015]

Leave the rapture idea, "behind". It's a hiccup from 1831 . The protestant church in many circles bought into this nonsense years ago. Hopefully we can stamp it out for good!!!;

[@ithyphal]

One thing I never understood is, if the rapture really happened, it would prove beyond a doubt the truth of one branch of evangelical Christianity. So wouldn't the rapture, realistically, lead to the conversion of those left behind? And wouldn't that be a bit of a problem for the Antichrist?

[@Bigfoottracker89]

Not always. If conspiracy theory project blue beam is true. The rapture would be the best time to discredit christainity by including ww3, total blackout so mass loss of communications along with a fake alien invasion 😂. Far out oh ya! But maybe truth is stranger then fiction lol

[@goodlookingcorpse]

This was the thing that struck me most about it. I think that it's probably that evangelical Christians find it inexplicable that people don't already believe evangelical Christianity, which feels obvious to them. So it seems to them that such people would continue not to believe.

[@ithyphal]

@@goodlookingcorpse Makes sense. But then they might just as well stop trying to convert people.

[@luciferlucero]

Mass alien abduction. ⚡⚡

[@v.sandrone4268]

my theory is that the rapture has already occurred and a very small group of good people left but no-one noticed.

[@cammus1249]

Reading these comments it is simultaneously sad and reassuring that so many others had Rapture anxiety growing up. It was terrible 'knowledge' to be burdened with as a young teenager.

[@minimoe2807]

If my parents left me with a sitter when I was young, I would have full-blown panic attacks.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

You were all tortured by the fear that you MIGHT go through the great tribulation, but now you're calmed by the thought that you WILL go through it?

[@gwilson314]

This is what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5. "For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape." The harpazo is what removes the faithful from this coming judgment.

[@cammus1249]

@biblehistoryscience3530 I can't speak for the others but I no longer believe in any tribulation; I'm not a Christian.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

@cammus1249 , so you must not believe that prophecies are coming to pass, like Israel returning to the Land? Then there is the Matt 24 set of prophecies Jesus called the "beginning of sorrows" that includes racial and international strife, while there is famine, pandemics and earthquakes. I mention those because they're all in the news at the moment. And the icing on the cake before the rapture will be seen when Jews get religious about the Law of Moses again, and Israel starts building a new temple (which will be used by the Antichrist not long after the rapture).

[@noone3216]

My favourite thing about the rapture is when Harold Camping predicted the end of the world on whatever date, and a bunch of people positioned clothes in various places as if the occupants were raptured away. People tying balloons to blow up dolls so they'd be seen floating up to heaven etc. Just beautiful 😆👌

[@gatewaytobeing]

As a teenager, at a friend's youth group in the 80s, we were shown a rapture movie. I don't recall the title, but it had me terrified for decades that any moment the rapture could happen and, would I be good enough to be taken up or would I be left behind? What about my loved ones? I now see these types of beliefs as acts of terror. Child abuse even!

[@ADADEL1]

A Thief in the Night? That's the normal one used to make kids terrified, or at least used to be.

[@bruce3242]

I am so sorry to hear that, I can not imagine the terror you experienced.... This is one of the big reasons I've stayed away from most religious groups it's just fear mongering, trying to gain power, and control, and oppress people, meanwhile 80 percent of them are doing way worse things..... At the end of the day the only system that makes sense to me, is live, and let live within reason.

[@neila6340]

Get over it you baby. You were fine.

[@KissingEmbers]

​@neila6340 😂👍 and there's that lolol.

[@josepheridu3322]

Climate change fearmongering is way worse, tho.

[@the_smoking_patriot3993]

Wow this was a solid breakdown! Been struggling with the rapture most of my life as it didn’t make sense but was shoved down my throat in several churches. Glad this video exists to break it down into digestible material

[@halfulford3081]

This happens to a lot of people who are simply to lazy to search the scriptures and see if what they have been taught is biblical.

[@davidwoods6015]

I am sorry that this rapture idea was shoved down your throat. I never had that kind of experience. The rapture is a Johnny come lately doctrine out of the early 19th century from the British Isles into America thru the effort's of J.N.Darby and publicized thru C.I. Scofield and Chafer thru Dallas Theological Seminary. The idea that alive believers are caught up into heaven in mansions( John 14) and come back to earth with Jesus at his coming are a very troubling set of ideas that upon examination are a real stretch. Plus the idea of God having two plans of salvation, one for the church and another for the later day Jews.!!! No such split in God's plan for humankind exists.!!!!;

[@the_smoking_patriot3993]

@@davidwoods6015 right and I never knew the true origins of the premillennialism idea till just this year. Every church I ever went to and every Christian I ever talked to believed it. Once I started to be shown different ideas my eyes were opened. Now we can debate about what the new earth would look like for sure but the rapture to me just seems fishy and I always questioned it which only gave more anxiety regarding it

[@davidwoods6015]

I remember a conversation with a friend in 1982 ;at a bible study in California. He mentioned a name that I wasn't familiar with. "John Nelson Darby" and the Plymouth brethren ". Sooo!!!!! began a search for more info. Gradually over time it became apparent that these rapture ideas were certainly abberational and the product of a misguided zeal for 2nd advent expectations. Mormons, JWs, 7 Day Adventists, New Thought and later Mary Baker Eddy came out of this 2nd great awakening!!!! Sooooo!!!!!; here we are in the 21st century with a smorgasbord of conflicting beliefs. Welcome to the real church world.!!!!!!

[@davidwoods6015]

I would just tell you there is no reason to believe in a "heaven bound" so called rapture! The Apostle's idea from 1.Thess 4 has to do with a common occurrence from the Roman world in Paul's day! The conquering king returning home after a long campaign is met on the road with a citizen delegation from the city there to usher him into the city. That's what Paul is describing in 1 Thess.4!!! Jesus at His coming is met by a delegation of believers and escorted earthward . Jesus never changes direction, we do!!!! This is done to facilitate Ps.110 and the new heaven and new earth!!!! Nothing to do with an avoidance of a tribulation and a boogieman!!!! That's all futurist's hogwash!!!!!!

[@scottlund4562]

Rapture trauma appears to be common as I read the comments, so glad I am not alone and crazy.

[@ElizabethRussell144]

The rapture is in the Bible in many places. It is the Resurrection of the living and dead in Christ. If people never would have stopped using the word Resurrection there never would have been any confusion.

[@robertbrown7470]

It is not in many places, I think it is in a few places at most.

[@karachaffee3343]

Kurt Vonnegut once wrote :" Let's be perfectly honest--for most people the end of the world can't come soon enough..."

[@RaptureReadyforJesus-qv2ql]

I am ready to leave!

[@BabaJeez]

"Life is suffering." -The first Noble Truth of Buddhism.

[@gregtowle8830]

Its actually The end of this earth age,

[@alexreid1173]

I didn’t grow up Christian, but I did grow up in a very evangelical Christian area. I had heard the stories about Jesus being born and resurrected and all that, but I only heard about the rapture as a teenager. I found it very confusing why anyone believed it lol. This video definitely helped me get a better idea of where it came from!

[@alg11297]

This is a terrific (as usual) overview of this topic. In the novel Atlas Shrugged one of the many subplots involves the disappearance of heads of industries who wind up in a special hidden area. The author, Ayn Rand, claimed to be an atheist but this plot devise was clearly glommed from this religious concept. Although I've never read of this connection anywhere else.

[@gilbertotoledo1421]

In the game Bioshock (whose plot's backstory is based heavily on Atlas Shrugged) a tycoon named Andrew Ryan (see what I mean?) builds an underwater city literally named Rapture where all captains of industry, scientists and censored creatives could flee from government control.

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

Having read the book, I can see the similarities but rapture teachings were far less popular at the time rand was writing. The popularization of the concept is very much a recent thing with the word rapture only entering the popular lexicon in maybe the 80s if we’re generous. Rand was also an atheist immigrant who was probably less knowledgeable about niche American cults than someone born and raised in a Christian American household would have been. I saw the flight of the industrialists more as an analogue to emigration. The overarching moral of the story is “if you put undo burdens on the people who provide for you they will cease to do so.” One of the main ways to accomplish that was to simply leave the country, as rand and her family had done. The industrialists get fed up with the government mandating that they destroy their life’s work and be grateful for it and they just leave. Proving that ultimately, they were the ones who had all the power after all since no one else is capable of doing what they had been doing and the court grinds to a halt. A big issue with the “materialist rapture” reading is that they do not all leave at the same time, Dagny figures out what is happen and even speaks to some of them prior to their disappearance. They also leave voluntarily, making their own way to the hidden valley, rather than suddenly being whisked into paradise.

[@silvershadchan4085]

@alg11297 Ayn Rand is the post child of Libertarianism who right before she died had signed up for Medicare and Social Security benefits.

[@Hastenforthedawm]

It's a horror trope too. Sudden disappearance of someone or lots of people, mysterious circumstances.

[@PeteOtton]

@@silvershadchan4085 In a way hypocritical in relying on 'socialist' benefits. Yet pure libertarianism in that she was out to get as much for herself as possible.

[@flamelily2086]

I have never believed in the rapture. It is not anywhere in the bible. The bible tells us that we will have to "endure to the end." If we are going to be "raptured" and removed from the tribulation, why would the bible tell us that we must endure to the end?

[@carolynsilvers9999]

I was raised in constant focus on this throughout my childhood. It was frightening and traumatic.😢

[@greenglassgoblin]

What a fascinating video! I grew up in an evangelical church where all 5 pastor/elders politely disagreed with each other on end times theology. If I remember correctly there was one holder of each of the four eschatological variations, and the Dispensationalist was viewed as the fringe one. (Makes sense, because every time I study Christian theology and someone says "here are the range of views and this one is the most extreme," my church almost always chose the extreme one lol.) The Left Behind books were viewed in my church as silly fiction to satisfy the mainstream Christians who didn't get the real nuances of eschatology. We were very into John Piper and I recognize hearing Darby and Scofield's names come up too. Now that I'm an adult who thinks for myself and explores spirituality on my own terms, videos like these bring back memories of Sunday School debates I haven't thought about in years! Thanks for the education @religionforbreakfast , it's a huge part of my adult growth!

[@josepheridu3322]

Churches, and religions in general, are usually very tolerant to very different eschatological views. They rarely establish any official view of it.

[@z-beeblebrox]

@@josepheridu3322 That's because the only time they stop being tolerant of differing eschatological views...is when they become doomsday cults. If you're not a doomsday cult, you have no stake in the minutiae of the end of the world. But if you are, then nothing matters more.

[@NimWithRandomNumbers]

Thank you for this, as a former open Plymouth Brethren Christian I’ve been trying to understand Darby and how his rapture theology became common place in an America who barely knew my denomination existed.

[@PropheticPlaces-rm9lp]

Chosen=Adopted Children Of God. "As Many That Are Led By The Spirit Of God Are The Sons Of God... Spirit Of Adoption By Which We Cry Abba-Father" - Rom.8:14-16 "Israelites To Whom Pertained The Adoption" - Rom.9:4

[@MitchRuth]

I was getting to know our new youth minister when my children were young. I’m not a scholar so I don’t always get words like pre millennial, so when he asked me if I was a premillennialist or a post millennialist I answered that I was a pro millennialist, I didn’t know what was gonna happen but I was all for it. But my eschatology is limited to ‘The Lord could come back at any time, so eat dessert first.’

[@davidwoods6015]

Jesus isn't coming back to scoop up millions of believers to escort them to heaven for 7 years to avoid a tribulation and a boogieman!!! That's all futurist's nonsense!!!!!! We are not the Matt.24 generation !!!!!

[@Kuulei265]

LOL!! Good idea. I’m with you.

[@marua2649]

Growing up in an evangelical family in Central America, I was terrified by this when I was a child. The language used about how he will come like a thief in the night to take away all the good people and the rest will be left behind to experience all kind of terrors by the antichrist, and this could happen tomorrow because we're already at the end of times. That's a horrible thing to tell children, all the anxiety that created about if I was good enough or I could suffer a horrible fate tomorrow. I'm not part of the church now for that reason.

[@grapeshot]

I've always thought that whole rapture thing is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard about. You ever notice how whenever spirits supposedly come back they're always wearing clothes. During the rapture I guess you get teleported butt booty naked.

[@reversefulfillment9189]

You get spiritual clothes, duh!

[@AnotherCraig]

Sorry, but I find it hilarious that the *nudity* is somehow the dumbest part for you

[@grapeshot]

@@AnotherCraig not just the nudity.

[@AnotherCraig]

​@@grapeshotI stand corrected 🙂 Still gave me a good laugh, though.

[@burritosforlater]

the hardest choices require the thiccest posterior

[@gesamtkuntswreck]

Leaving non believers behind to suffer terrible deaths really does sounds like average Christian concept of benevolence

[@SevenPr1me]

The classic "us verse them" conflict dynamic

[@trulyso734]

Not at all . We are not told to desire the Day of the Lord (His vangeance wrath on those who ill treat His people/children for instance and repent not) but to continue to preach/teach the good news of salvation's offer right up to the end. There is always hope whilst there is still time and day for unbelievers to fall on His mercy and grace. Just dont leave it too long, deal with your whys of rejecting it. We desire a better future and it will only be reality when He is in charge in His own totally revamped way.

[@SevenPr1me]

@@trulyso734 you have a warped idea of "good news"

[@VersieKilgannon]

Finally, an explanation of dispensationalism that actually makes sense. I was raised as one of jehovah's witnesses. I've never heard the word "dispensationalism" growing up. But that's definitely the core belief for JWs. Weirdly though, they believe Jesus already did return invisibly in 1914. But the Bible doesn't speak of a third coming of Jesus and even states that anyone who says Jesus has returned invisibly is an apostate

[@danman1950]

How would they know Jesus returned if they can't see him lol?

[@josef2012]

​@@danman1950I would totally watch an Invisible Jesus private detective show.The wacky hijinks would be off the charts.

[@neoqwerty]

@@josef2012 I'd watch only if he catches the criminals by invisibly whipping them all the way to jail and drops the evidence on the desk at the end of the episode.

[@thegodpill914]

The jw's predeccesors the bible students essentially a spin off of Adventists inherited a lot of their view and approach to prophecy from dispensationalism and millenarianism on KZbin I get a kick sometimes out of watching Baptists go over dispensatiolist charts seeing how similar it is to bible student era material main divergence is obsessing over the formation of the state of Israel as opposed to 1834/1874/1914 etc. Technically both jw's as an adventist denomination and Baptists are part of the same branch of the reformation calvinism though neither subscribe to some calvinist doctrines like predestination.

[@Shimarenda]

Thank you for doing this series on dispensationalist theology. It is the theology I grew up with (and no longer believe while remaining a Christian). I remember being fascinated to the elaborate charts I would see in bookstores showing history and the end times. My Scofield is still sitting on the shelf behind me now with my collection of translations. These videos clarify for me why it no long made sense. Essentially, premillennial dispensationalism says that Jesus's mission failed, and He has to come back to assert Himself by force. If Jesus taught the truth, I can't believe it could fail so spectacularly.

[@BlestinTexas24]

Those charts are very confusing. The Gospel is simple and easy. A free gift.

[@fatemeetsluck]

Pre-tribulation rapture is the most American boomer theology take ever. "We live in the most economically privileged nation and time period and we also get a free escape from persecution while literally every other generation of believers stood before tyrants and had to choose Christ over their own mortal life." yeah right. This video helped clear things up. Send this to Americans.

[@brianSalem541]

Exactly! It's rather arrogant to believe an elite group won't have to suffer.

[@fatemeetsluck]

@@brianSalem541 my further investigations have lead me to conclude that millenarism altogether is a distortion of what's really happening behind the scenes. In any case, those who love God and others have absolutely nothing to fear and can spiritually rise above the tulmultuous current events and overpower evil with good.

[@seanchaney3086]

Read 1 Thessalonians 5 which continues the context. It is referring to the 2nd Coming.

[@LisaSchulanerFineArt]

I also grew up being taught rapture and end time theology as fact. And I believed it. That is until it bothered me so much that I decided to study it for myself about 10 years ago. I learned many of the historical things shared in this video and read a lot of books that focus on scripture. My conclusion was that the Bible does not support this idea of a rapture. In fact I found much evidence that the "prophetic" scriptures about the future "end times" were actually talking about literal events that already happend around the time of 70AD, the fall of the temple and Jerusalem to the Romans.

[@Thevoiceinthewilderness2013]

Not so, this is Daniel’s real seventy weeks. Week 1 BC 1483 - BC 1433 Week 2 BC 1433 - BC 1383 Week 3 BC 1383 - BC 1333 Week 4 BC 1333 - BC 1283 Week 5 BC 1283 - BC 1233 Week 6 BC 1233 - BC 1183 Week 7 BC 1183 - BC 1133 Week 8 BC 1133 - BC 1083 Week 9 BC 1083 - BC 1033 Week 10 BC 1033 - BC 983 Week 11 BC 983 - BC 933 Week 12 BC 933 - BC 883 Week 13 BC 883 - BC 833 Week 14 BC 833 - BC 783 Week 15 BC 783 - BC 733 Week 16 BC 733 - BC 683 Week 17 BC 683 - BC 633 Week 18 BC 633 - BC 583 Week 19 BC 583 - BC 533 Week 20 BC 533 - BC 483 Week 21 BC 483 - BC 433 Week 22 BC 433 - BC 383 Week 23 BC 383 - BC 333 Week 24 BC 333 - BC 283 Week 25 BC 283 - BC 233 Week 26 BC 233 - BC 183 Week 27 BC 183 - BC 133 Week 28 BC 133 - BC 83 Week 29 BC 83 - BC 33 Week 30 BC 33 - AD 17 Week 31 AD 17 - AD 67 Week 32 AD 67 - AD 117 Week 33 AD 117 - AD 167 Week 34 AD 167 - AD 217 Week 35 AD 217- AD 267 Week 36 AD 267 - AD 317 Week 37 AD 317 - AD 367 Week 38 AD 367 - AD 417 Week 39 AD 417 - AD 467 Week 40 AD 467 - AD 517 Week 41 AD 517 - AD 567 Week 42 AD 567 - AD 617 Week 43 AD 617 - AD 667 Week 44 AD 667 - AD 717 Week 45 AD 717 - AD 767 Week 46 AD 767 - AD 817 Week 47 AD 817 - AD 867 Week 48 AD 867 - AD 917 Week 49 AD 917 - AD 967 Week 50 AD 967 - AD 1017 Week 51 AD 1017 - AD 1067 Week 52 AD 1067 - AD 1117 Week 53 AD 1117 - AD 1167 Week 54 AD 1167 - AD 1217 Week 55 AD 1217 - AD 1267 Week 56 AD 1267 - AD 1317 Week 57 AD 1317 - AD 1367 Week 58 AD 1367 - AD 1417 Week 59 AD 1417 - AD 1467 Week 60 AD 1467 - AD 1517 Week 61 AD 1517 - AD 1567 Week 62 AD 1567 - AD 1617 Week 63 AD 1617 - AD 1667 Week 64 AD 1667 - AD 1717 Week 65 AD 1717 - AD 1767 Week 66 AD 1767 - AD 1817. Week 67 AD 1817 - AD 1867 Week 68 AD 1867 - AD 1917 Week 69 AD 1917 - AD 1967 Week 70 AD 1967 - AD 2017 You’ll see that the seventieth week began the year we got Jerusalem back. It ended the year Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel again. This was the same year of the Great American solar eclipse….where God declared he was done with this nation. The church has gotten it so very wrong. A day is a year, and a week is a 50 year jubilee cycle, for a grand total of 3500 years. I have this whole timeline on my channel. The church is so very deceived.

[@elvelodelasombra2.064]

ohhhh "sure"... it shows that you have "studied" the Bible "a lot"... The rapture has been announced since the old testament jjjajajaja

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

Some of what happened in the first century was siilart to end time prophecies, but most of the prophecies weren't fulfilled then, proving that was a mere shadow of the end time. And when Israel starts building the tribulation, you need to understand that the real end is very near.

[@bouncer812]

So then what of the future? If these things already happened, has Christ already returned?

[@mikewood3309]

Wrong!! Rapture theory was popularized in mid 1800's by Moody, Darby, & Scofield. For 1800 years the theory never exited..

[@derrickzeller3351]

I was raised as an evangelical and my family still are, and wholeheartedly believe in the Rapture. Even after I pointed out that the current rapture belief wasn’t believed by any Christian until the 19th century, it didn’t faze them one bit. If anything, they’re even MORE militant about it. You can’t choose your family, as the saying goes lol. Love your videos, very enlightening. Peace.

[@citizen1981]

this channel is the best for an academic approach to religion. thank you!

[@gabbie921]

It’s intriguing that although Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in the rapture, they do believe in the great tribulation being just around the corner. The belief in the imminence of the rapture feels similar.

[@kuningaskolassas4720]

Timothy: hey Paul, you think you might want to clarify some of those verses a bit more? Paul: I think I've been pretty clear.

[@TNTfellowship]

I did a series of over 40 teachings on KZbin on the pre-TRIB rapture. To say that “scholars“ find 1 Thessalonians 4:16 confusing, these “scholars“ have rejected a literal interpretation method. It is so sad that we are on the brink of the tribulation. (Just look around) and so much of what Christiandom teachs like there is no rapture is sad, I will obey scripture and do the following: 1 Thessalonians 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. These words concern the rapture!

[@MrKoalaburger]

Ah, glad this video exists. Tired of explaining to ppl that rapture isn't a universal, or even common worldwide, Christian belief.

[@ianbabineau5340]

Why do I feel like no matter where in the timeline someone lives it’s always the “second to last” period? They seem to like the idea of being the last generation.

[@brunopaschoal9526]

I'm a simple man. ReligionForBreakfast new video? Me happy

[@msondezipolisi1382]

Same lol

[@rga1605]

I feel it's a great source of relief for a lot of people (both those who continue Christians and those who leave) to learn that the biblical foundation of the rapture is kinda built on the sand

[@delorissamuelson6988]

This video reminds me of why it is soo important for Christians to read their Bible prayerfully and daily, not relying soley on others to tell us what it says. Even this content creator cited two scholars who don't trust the Bible.

[@artifacthunter1472]

Reading does not do much you need to study it in old testament Hebrew and New Testament Greek and define every word!

[@Mazin_Kaiser]

​​@@artifacthunter1472Arameic... the sacred text original language is Arameic...(New Testament)

[@grantshearer5615]

​@@Mazin_Kaiser actually alot of scholars believe that Jesus preached in Hebrew, Aramaic, AND Greek. The sermon on the mount was spoken to Jews who lived in Greek cities. And keep in mind, the Greek septuagint was created for the Jews who lived in Greek cities after Alexander conquered the region just a few decades before the septuagint was made. Also, while Rapture is not in the bible, the definition of Rapture is in the bible. Saying there will be no rapture is like saying the old testament never prophecied about Jesus because the word Christ is not in the old testament

[@sanca5982]

Right on sister! I couldn't believe it either. It's amazing to me. 1 Thessalonians 4: 16, 17 means what it says. The word "rapture" is no where found in Scripture. The words "caught up" are found in 1 Thessalonians 4: 17. Elijah never died. He was taken in a chariot of fire to heaven...he was translated, of course and given a new "glorious body" like Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53. Paul is basically telling us in verse 50 that our flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God because it is corrupt...corruption does not inherit incorruption. Verse 51, Behold, I tell you a mystery, We shall not all sleep [die], but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye... That's how it happened with Elijah when he was taken and he was given a new glorious body that he may enter through the gates into the city of God, the New Jerusalem (the real promise land). Elijah represents those who will never experience death at the time of the rapture. The believers living at that time will be translated the same way. Moses experiences death and Michael (Michael is code name for Jesus. Archangel meaning the leader of the angels, that is Jesus. There are only two types of angels, Cherubims and Seraphims. Michael is found in Daniel 12: 1, Jude 1: 9 and Revelation 12: 7. It is the same Michael. If you read Daniel 12: 1, it's not an angel coming to save his people, it is Christ Himself...the great prince, the "Prince of peace" because He reconciles us to God. Isaiah 9: 6.) in the book of Jude recovers his body and rebukes Satan. Christ brought back Moses to life. How do we know? Both Elijah and Moses appeared at the mount of transfiguration in Matthew 17: 1-3. It was witnessed by Peter, James and John. Like Jesus walked out of the tomb with a glorious body, so the dead at that time will too and be the first to rise according to 1 Thessalonians 4: 16. Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 15: 42-44, So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body. Like Moses, the dead will be resurrected and be given a glorious body. Moses represents those who will be resurrected from the dead. Both Moses and Elijah are our example.

[@FreemanPennington-je5tn]

Yep if you don't read and study your Bible you'll end up believing liars like this that preached damnable heresies that are based in satanic nonsense Christian shouldn't believe liars like this so say things that contradict the word of God if it doesn't line up with the word of God it's from Satan

[@anthonydelfino6171]

I grew up in a religion that doesn't believe in the rapture, and it wasn't really until I moved to the south for college that I encountered the idea. I literally burst out laughing the first time someone told me about it. Also this was right in the middle of the time the book series was being released, so it was probably an even bigger point of discussion than it might have otherwise been

[@SKRooU2]

yea The rapture lie will lead many to perish because they will be fooled into worshipping the antichrist.

[@Romanissimus]

Religious texts are prone to various interpretations, but that passage from 1 Thessalonians is clearly meant to comfort worrying people. The author is basically telling them: "Don't worry, your dead are fine; they'll even get to meet the returning Jesus before the living do." That the resurrection of the dead is bound to happen before any living people are taken up in clouds is Paul's very point.

[@JonahGhost]

“For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.” ‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4‬:‭16‬-‭18‬ ‭ESV‬‬ ““Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭29‬-‭31‬ ‭ESV‬‬ ““But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭36‬-‭44‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Don’t be lazy. Read the bible for yourself. Don’t listen to other people to determine your belief. One can never die and say to God “my pastor told me it was okay.” Work out your own salvation with your own efforts. “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭12‬-‭13‬ ‭ESV‬‬ The demons will pass it off as alien abduction. For religiously brainwashed Christian people. You will see.

[@IntrepidIanRinon]

Fun fact: the author of the original "Left Behind" book series, Jerry Jenkins, is the father of Dallas Jenkins, who... surprise, surprise... is the director behind the Jesus series "The Chosen"