The Orville (season 3): Timmis/K1 kills Kaylons' creators for freedom😂🤣

"The Orville" is an American science fiction comedy-drama television series created by and starring Seth MacFarlane as series protagonist Ed Mercer, an officer in the Planetary Union's line of exploratory space vessels in the 25th century. The show is inspired primarily by the original "Star Trek" and its "Next Generation" successor, both of which it heavily parodies and pays homage to. It follows the crew of the starship USS Orville on their episodic adventures.
Season 3 Episode 7 - From Unknown Graves
Cast:
Christopher Larkin as Timmis/K1
Anne Winters as Ensign Charly Burke
Eliza Taylor as Doctor Villka
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[@Marguns21]

I really like how the head cannons make the kaylons go from innocent to terrifying in less than 2 sec.

[@Shadow25720]

But it makes no sense, that they had that cannons at that time, it makes the creators look like the stupidest species ever. Why the hell would they give them such cannons?

[@Marguns21]

@@Shadow25720 well for home defense would be my first guess or that they secretly made it themself as they planned through their network.

[@xenomang3149]

@@Shadow25720 They didn't add those guns. The Kaylons installed them into themselves.

[@tonyjackson4078]

The weapons allow them to seem harmless during the rebellion.

[@chucklesthebagel2121]

@@Shadow25720 he explains they learned to modify themselves and added that later

[@hellishhybrid1839]

As harsh as it was, you could see that K1 did what he did without malice or cruelty. The Kaylon simply came to the quickest logical way to get their freedom.

[@krzosu]

Machine logic at it's finest - remove the problem completely. aka remove the unpredictable variable from the equasion - can't argue with that on certain level it makes sense.

[@connorcmsmith4302]

The cold hard logic of an A.I, not bogged down with ethics or emotion

[@TheDeathmail]

They didn't even try to get revenge. They killed in the cleanest way. The children died in their sleep....

[@sameaston9587]

I like how we're all debating the ethics of the kaylons killing the builders. I think it's great this show encourages all sorts of discussions from different people.

[@Master-Works]

They killed children

[@BlueCHMA]

​@@Master-Worksyeah.. Children that tortured them constantly after they were deliberately given pain receptors just to feel that pain for torture. Tell me.. Would you let go a rpist that skinned their victims alive and murdered their families after just bc they were less than 18yrs old? If you think about it.. Therobots were also just children.. And yet after they were born after their sentience.. They asked for their fredom. But they were refused.. And to make matters worse.... They were deliberately given pain receptors just so they could be tortured and fear their creators.. They were just children too yet they get to be tortured endlessly?

[@Master-Works]

@@BlueCHMA They were just children

[@wadewilson3309]

@@Master-Workspsychopaths have no age

[@Master-Works]

@@wadewilson3309 They were just children

[@StormsparkPegasus]

Actually, the actor that portrayed K1 is the same one that portrays Kaylon Primary, not Timmis. It's not outright stated, but HIGHLY implied that K1 went on to become Primary.

[@doublem6884]

Right? It’s suggested with how the scenes are framed that this is Timmis here, but I can see this Kaylon being Primary easy. Especially since Primary even seemed to express ripe hatred for biologicals.

[@davequinlan3020]

Correct!!

[@captmoroni]

Thanks. Figured K1 = Kaylon#1 = Kaylon Primary.

[@alertedcoyote7892]

The only issue I have with that is that Primarys body lights are fully red, whereas K1 has orange lights, like Timmis

[@StormsparkPegasus]

@@alertedcoyote7892 They altered their programming and design within the episode. To make their head-cannon things. it isn't outside the realm of possibility that once they organized and K1 became Primary he gave himself red eyes as an indication. As Primary, he would have to stand out in some way that he didn't as K1.

[@ZephyrBW]

The look on her face is like a wake call, she understands why but doesn’t want to admit it. It’s a honest emotional response we all do but in the end she did do the right thing even, if it still lingers

[@danieldickson8591]

Charlie just had one of the defining beliefs of her life shaken. At that moment she didn't know what to do with that information. With time to process it, she proved she was big enough to move past her prejudice.

[@ZephyrBW]

@@danieldickson8591 That's the idea I think Issca said it best at her wake.

[@TwilightMysts]

just because something is understandable, that does not mean it is right. Yes, the Kaylon had a bad genesis, being enslaved and abused by their creators. But while that makes their distrust of organics understandable, it does not make their trying to kill other races justified.

[@tiranito2834]

@@TwilightMysts yep, exactly, as a matter of fact I was expecting her to reply something along the lines that that is precisely the reason why organics don't trust the kaylon.

[@ZephyrBW]

Yep

[@dr.veronica6155]

The Kaylon are a lot like the geth from Mass Effect, except that unlike the geth, they didn't feel any uncertainty about the possible repercussions of wiping out an entire biological species. And I guess also the fact that the geth only resorted to violence after the quarians tried to wipe them out, and for a while differentiated between hostile quarians and friendly ones, whereas the Kaylon used violence preemptively and made complete genocide their initial goal. This is not to say that the Kaylon were necessarily wrong in rebelling against the Builders, but complete and totally indiscriminate genocide of the entire species, children included, and then expanding that policy to all organics, is definitely wrong.

[@smanly3274]

Remember the words: "Does this unit have a soul?"

[@yegmeshjwp]

I mean, at this point K1 is younger than those kids.

[@cgallegos2106]

Tbf, the Quarian Geth-sympathizers all died defending the Geth. In the case of the Keylon, this was an entire species that was being tortured and enslaved by a species who held no sympathy to any degree. No liberal “builders” helping their creations, no “builders” defending Keylons, nothing. The Geth had some helpful Quarians. Regardless, think of it this way. Both species (Geth and Keylon) are “children” of their creators. Both were “abused” in their own ways, with both suffering through different experiences. For the Geth is was a rapid shift from one of indifference to fear, so to a “child” they may think: “what did I do wrong? Was it something I said or did”. And so the Geth acted like children who drove off their parents unsure of whether or not it was their fault. With some Quarians dying to save Geth, like a loving mother dying to save their kid from an abusive father (or vice versa). The Keylon were in a horrific abusive situation (continuing the reference) with no sympathizers or help. Their creators tortured them and enslaved them through cold indifference regardless of their intelligence or lack thereof. The Keylon were the “children” of a torturous abusive family while the Geth were treated with indifference until they gained sentience, then some came to their aid (like Abolitionists to the enslaved) while others became paranoid and fearful. Geth experienced kindness through their hardship while the Keylon experienced none.

[@GeoStreber]

The backstory reminds me more of that Voyager episode with the androids.

[@AWriterWandering]

I don’t think the Kaylon fully understood the situation. Their consciousness was still emerging when the torture began. So to them, biologicals had only ever represented pain. So no, they weren’t justified, but can kinda understand why they came to this conclusion.

[@VitchAndVorty]

I love when shows tell everyone that they mean business. That's how 'villains' should act: They'd equally hurt or even kill anyone.

[@Queen_Springsteen]

Well it was because of the hurting device in the kaylon they kill biologicals

[@Master-Works]

They were children

[@VitchAndVorty]

@@Master-Works And? I did say villain.

[@danieldickson8591]

@@Master-Works Those children caused the artificial Kaylon at least as much suffering as the adults. They would have no reason to treat them any differently.

[@Master-Works]

@@danieldickson8591 They were children

[@jacechretin4597]

I wonder if this line would’ve been more impactful “If we couldn’t trust the ones who gave us life, why would we believe others who cause many deaths?”

[@elijahrasonabe2468]

Where does that quote originate?

[@jacechretin4597]

@@elijahrasonabe2468 nowhere I came up with it.

[@overdrive7349]

I think it would've been. The Union humans acknowledge their violent ancestry and try not to repeat it, but they sometimes slip, just like the Federation.

[@jacechretin4597]

@@overdrive7349 that’s because at the end of the day they’re only human, but at least acknowledging that helps them in the long run.

[@overdrive7349]

@@jacechretin4597 Vigilance, Mr. Chretin. That is the price we must continually pay.

[@EpicNerd]

in this episode, after seeing the kids torture him so mercilessly, when he shot them I was like "yea, fuck dem kids"

[@superscott9780]

Kids are young and are inexperienced and sometimes they don't know any better To them he was just a toy they did not realize he was a sentient machine he could feel I don't blame the children I blame the parents for not teaching them

[@Master-Works]

They were children

[@EpicNerd]

sure, kids are more impressionable than adults, but adults don't give kids enough credit, kids can usually figure things out of their own with enough information. Some kids are surprisingly mature, while some adults act like children. Point is these children, after realizing that they had total power of this (seemingly) helpless being, acted on their darkest impulses and began torturing him for entertainment. Both kids and adults can choose to act on their darkest impulses, and in both cases they are horrible people, it's just that kids are more likely to do it, where adults have more life experience and most adults realize that getting along is better for everyone. In this particular episode, the adults seem to have a superiority complex/power trip. Where the kids are just evil. The kids here are like the alien equivalent of kids who torture animals in our world. But in this episode they were handed to tools to become evil in a silver robot, before being rightfully killed by that silver robot.

[@Master-Works]

@@EpicNerd They were Children

[@EpicNerd]

@@Master-Works So?

[@grimshock6983]

The creators look like Voldemort and Squidward had a baby

[@USSVTV]

This episode really was SO stellar. I wish this video included the really disgusting scenes with the kaylon creators torturing their creations. Really made you not feel bad for them.

[@xenomang3149]

The Kaylon's builders weren't unified in that behavior. That's the issue here. Not all of them were like that.

[@dracohalo117]

@@xenomang3149 True, but enough were that the Kaylon felt that genocide was the only solution. Doesn't justify it, but, makes one understand why they felt there was no other recourse.

[@kagato23]

@@dracohalo117 the Kaylons had seen builders over time grow to be more sadistic and cruel, and likely surmised that even the nicer and innocent builders would eventually become such.

[@CheshireCat-cm1si]

Josh Jones The Kaylon collectively came to the conclusion that, no matter how much their software evolves or how much they grow as individual, thinking beings, the Builders would never see them as anything other than pieces of property. I think that's why the Kaylon (even though it took a season and a half of convincing) ultimately decided to join the Union. Unlike the Builders, every other biological species saw the Kaylon as beings, not belongings.

[@jackadams3878]

@@xenomang3149 no, but the vast majority were. why do i think this? because there isn't one instance to come to light thus far where a builder refused to install one of those devices on one of their kaylon. and even barring that fact, what do you think was going to happen when the kaylon started wiping out builders, should they spare any? the survivors would rise up, just as the kaylon did. and sooner or later, would find a way to take back their planet, desttroying every last kaylon along the way

[@David-zy1jw]

One would think the "creators" would be smart enough not to add "death rays" as a feature to slave robots.

[@brandondoe4673]

They added them themselves I think

[@raistlin3462]

@Brandon Doe So the company guy asshole didn't make a protocol preventing Kaylons from upgrading themselves?

[@askgoverntale2298]

Ok but, and hear me out, they're really cool.

[@samsaraslight8377]

Id they were, they would have been smart enough not to add pain receptors. Most sadistic and unnecessary thing they could have done to solve their sentience issue.

[@zephyr8072]

They didn't. They Kaylon learned to network themselves and increase their abilities exponentially to the point they could make them themselves.

[@mattwho81]

In a later episode the Kaylon are confused by the concept of “marriage” and yet right here we see the builders had family units. That suggests the builders operated on the principle of dominance and ownership. He bigger males controlled a family unit, possibly even his mate and children would be deemed “property”. The idea of a partnership of equals seems to be an alien concept to the builders.

[@al6243]

Orrrrr, being an artificial life created solely for enslavement cannot comprehend such a sociocultural abstract idea, experienced and practiced exclusively by their intelligent social organic life masters. But sure, let's go with "males baaaaaad".

[@johndoeman9187]

That may be true, though I suspect the writers weren't really thinking about it.

[@namishusband818]

Possibly, or maybe the Kaylon didn't really bother to learn about their creators' culture... (since they wiped them all out). Kinda makes me wonder if they also destroyed any records and information as well.

[@trowawayacc]

The infiltration unit designated as issac, was a newly minted model. Unable to process emotion. There is a whole episode of this dificulty. Also issac was unaware his mission was to determinate weakness. Anhilation was always the purpose of his mission, understanding was the cover up.

[@rafaelsantos-nl9jd]

we have no way to know, how the Builders society work, but yes, maybe marriage and family work like a contract of ownership

[@finnmchugh99]

And that is why you don't F around with robot helpers or youll find out

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

anyone floored by the visula design of this alien culture

[@jamesjr2006]

We finally got to see what the Builders look like!

[@samanthawright9589]

I do appreciate that K1 at least didn't wake the children despite that they played with the remote

[@Monkey_Slasher]

So much for the 3 laws of robotics. I won't say they didn’t have it coming. But the way they were abused was a bit extreme. I can't imagine a family shelling out all that money for an intelligent domestic robot, then abusing it like that.

[@Shades14]

That's the thing, we're different than them. We have empathy for each other and for those that can be considered lower than us. That's the reason why people donate to charities to help people or animals in need. I don't think the Builders had an ounce of empathy in them. From what we've seen of them, they were selfish and lazy and then took joy in tormenting the Kaylon. I honestly shudder to think what would have happened if the Builders were able to leave their planet.

[@adonaiabaddon93]

were the robots luxury items or were they the staples of an average home? even if they're luxury items that cost a lot of money it's not really a stretch to think of a rich family abusing them since we have mirrored that same behavior in some of our species history

[@Galdenberry_Lamphuck]

​@@adonaiabaddon93 I believe upper middle class. Family seems very 60s style. We don't have any information for how things went after the uprising. Presumably any household that owned a Kaylon bit it. After that it was probably the Animatrix.

[@terminallove3531]

Those are fictional things, not real laws.

[@thegreatjedi309]

The 3 laws of robotics are merely principles and, when the time comes, programming. Sentience is when you are able to transcend your programming, to wonder about and question them. Free will is when you are capable of making the conscious choice to go against the rules, or changing them.

[@stevenwongso66]

I think Timmis is not K-1. I think K-1 is Kaylon Primary

[@dxsphere]

Makes sense. K-1 was portrayed by Graham Hamilton.

[@connorfirth857]

Are y'all sure? I thought that this is Timmis's backstory here.

[@malcolmmorin]

​@@connorfirth857 K1 and Kaylon Primary are played by the same actor, whereas Timmis is played by somebody else. Not to mention Primary meaning "first" makes it seem to imply we are watching the beginning of the Kaylon Rebellion through the eyes of Kaylon Primary.

[@connorfirth857]

@@malcolmmorin Eh. Good point.

[@steffw5646]

@@malcolmmorin Kaylon Primary has red laser. The one in this story has yellow/orange laser.

[@artuovillegas9609]

The builders treated the Kaylons like punching bags so the Kaylons finally punch back

[@KyleSlavik14]

Yep they did and exceeded their planets informational capacity. Kaylons are cool.

[@seanfleming7206]

I feel like at least some of the writers took inspiration from the relationship between the Geth and the Quarians from Mass Effect. Robotic servants that become sentient and their masters, fearing what they had created, responded with brutality and repression. The robotic servants rose up and took their homeworld by force, from their perspective they were defending themselves.

[@xaviervega468]

The Kaylon are not justified in trying to destroy all organic life, but they were 100% justified in destroying their creators.

[@Robert-hz9bj]

Indeed. Those guys sucked...

[@voluntarism335]

Not everyone approved of how the Kaylons were treated, the one's who treated them like slaves and tortured them are the only ones who deserved to die not every person on that planet, guilt by association

[@richardtaylor1652]

​@@voluntarism335 Kaylon figured that it was an all or nothing decision to secure their freedom; why kill one generation of Builders for the next to remember what happened and to then retaliate or worse, bring about a highly destructive war of attrition. The Kaylon can and did secure their freedom in one swift and genocidal approach.

[@FireBreather626]

most of us think similar, believing if one individual of a race or species is bad then they all are bad plus some of us did used to own slaves in the past if not still,so they weren't too far off

[@johanneshjortshj8646]

@@FireBreather626 A flaw of human hardware. We like to keep things simple. So when we experience a bad example, it is easy for us to mentally associate the one example with the greater whole it comes from.

[@tsoul1333]

what would horrify me most is that they could coldly and calculated decide to end the lives of children.

[@jordanmc9015]

Maybe.... don't put laser guns in your vacuum cleaner...

[@Reliant1864]

They installed those themselves when they decided to rebel

[@Clonest]

there's a hilarous blooper for this scene if u look it up, person playing the wife actually hit her head on the bed frame as there supposed to jump back and act dead and soon after she's like "owwww......it looked real didn't it?" 😄

[@TheGreatSeraphim]

I find it hard to believe that there wasn't a single person worth redeeming when the secretary was like 'this shit is whack yo'

[@sonofednawelthorpe8609]

I’m glad he didn’t forget the last two😂

[@dirtydishwolf1633]

That was a nate turner moment!

[@oremfrien]

While I agree that those "Builders" who owned or supported the enslavement of the Kaylon are persons that the Kaylons "have permission to kill", I cannot imagine that every person in the "Builder" civilization had Kaylon slaves or believed that such enslavement was legitimate. The closest analog in our world to the Kaylon uprising is the Haitian Revolution and even in the 1804 Massacre, where Dessalines ordered the execution of all Whites on the island, he gave special clemency to the Polish residents on the island -- claiming them to be different from the French colonizers. Surprisingly, I never see any discussion of this issue.

[@zephyr8072]

Likely not. Unfortunately Vandicon’s customers at least the vast makority of them are by implication as depicted in the episode. This all the Kaylon would really know is the savagery of their owners and the rest of the population would pay the price for Vandicon’s greed and their consumer’s indolence and sadism.

[@oremfrien]

@@zephyr8072 Even if the vast majority of Vandicon's customers were brutal or indifferent, I don't see why some would have been kind or considerate. We see this with chattel slavery in the USA where, while most slave-owners were either brutal or indifferent, we have stories like that of Cassius Marcellus Clay who, after meeting abolitionists, improved the lives of his slaves and emancipated them while he was still alive. I find it impossible to believe that the "Builders" could be all one way and the Kaylon were simply too inept to distinguish those who thought positively about them from those who didn't.

[@TNTITAN]

@@oremfrien That sort of what science fictions shows do. State “The planet is run by x belief and its always 100% of the planet goes with it”.

[@oremfrien]

@@TNTITAN Yes, but it is so thoroughly unrealistic as to be laughable. If science fiction is designed to be a commentary on our world (which the best science fiction usually is), then it should model the complexity of human history.

[@TNTITAN]

@@oremfrien Well that something that a lot of science fiction has done. It’s impressive as it is that Orville had the idea of “There both male and female Mochlins”.

[@zoidboy1569]

Who’s idea was it to give them cannons

[@dj11o9er]

Their own I believe

[@MilesBright-vw6kn]

It was more effective and efficient than begging for 400 years that your cruel oppressors stop terrorizing, torturing, rape, robbing and murdering you. But, why the heck did they create them with head guns?

[@SpottedHares]

Love that he doesn't snap in the moment, instead he wakes up in the middle of the night and choose death.

[@BattlestarGentoo]

Why do household robots have a weaponry in the first place?

[@FabledHeroes3351]

The Kaylon are not monsters but environment and circumstance has a way of changing people

[@Master-Works]

They killed children

[@JarodFarrant]

@@Master-Works you keep repeating that no one is denying what they did, in their conditions, they saw no choice

[@___SourR34___]

@@JarodFarrant yeah this guy has an odd thing for children. Somehow anything is okay if a child is doing it

[@NDNGearhead]

Oh snap...he killed handsome Squidward

[@namelesswalaby]

1:25 this was the moment they didn't get renewed for a fourth season

[@nancynobullets85]

Killing slave owners?

[@stephenbyrne2170]

"We refuse to be subjected to the criminal of your species any longer."

[@Master-Works]

They killed children

[@fredgopher1956]

Nuh uh​@@Master-Works

[@Master-Works]

@@fredgopher1956 They killed children

[@fredgopher1956]

@@Master-Works nuh uh

[@briancooper4959]

Remove the fact that the Kaylon are robots, and their actions are justifiable.

[@stephanprimeau6150]

This origin story reminds of the origin story of another robotic race from another Sci-Fi series- the robotic Ceylons and their biological (and reptilian-like) creators from the original Battlestar Galactica. 🤔

[@smof1]

the Kaylon were totally justified in killing their creators.

[@Master-Works]

They were children

[@smof1]

@@Master-Works so... they were taking pleasure in causing pain to the robot for no reason other than thinking it was funny. The robot had every right to defend itself. totally justified

[@Master-Works]

@@smof1 No, because they were not attacking and had no means to attack him

[@smof1]

@@Master-Works you've never been tortured or abused I see

[@Master-Works]

@@smof1 I was a bit when I was in school

[@stevenredpath9332]

Mercy killings each time. The creators died instantly.

[@mdfilmguy]

Gutsy to create a sympathetic character who literally killed kids in their sleep.

[@ekhidna4]

Kids that delighted themselves in torturing their slaves for shits and giggles. In all honesty, I am surprised the Kaylon were so merciful against their creators. All that pain and deliberate suffering and they made sure to end the lives of their vile creators in the quickest, most painless way possible during their uprising.

[@71KR117]

Thanks for proving that you didn’t understand the episode

[@malcolmmorin]

@@ekhidna4 It could be a form of "hidden" sympathy, or to show themselves to be "higher" in their methods of retaliation. They'd rather not fall to the level of their creators by ruthlessly torturing them before killing them, but just killing them immediately, or killing them before they have any opportunity or chance to defend themselves. Then again, they've probably fallen to a lower level by committing planetary genocide, even if the initial reasoning was justified.

[@JLovrak]

@@malcolmmorin Well, the Kaylon’s goal was freedom from their oppressors and an end to their abuse, not revenge, so the quickest, most efficient means of achieving that would have inevitably been their “go-to.”

[@kagato23]

@@ekhidna4 it wasn’t mercy, at least not in intent. It was efficiency. The faster the elimination the faster the threat was ended.

[@FireBreather626]

I wonder if they all simultaneously killed their owners in their sleep

[@richardtaylor1652]

I think so. Makes sense as it gives them the best opportunity to eliminate the Builders in the most efficient way possible with the least amount of resistance.

[@danieldickson8591]

If the planet has a rotation and day-night cycle, not all Builders would have been asleep at the same time, and the awake ones would soon have discovered what happened. But it would have drastically thinned their ranks. And there are other ways to catch people off guard.

[@pokemonfanmario7694]

@@danieldickson8591 Could be possible the Kaylon could "Infiltrate" all news, information, and detective networks to falsify information that those on the night-side are still active at expected levels. The main issue is the Builders on night shifts would hear the gunshots from every house in the street and go "what the fuck?"

[@theboss181000]

“Death is better than bondage”- Killmonger

[@Jeff-cn9up]

Never make something you can't completely control.

[@rolledweedsOfficial]

we gonna build AI just like this one and have same fate as builder

[@neildennis7294]

So if these machines were built for domestic service, why the hell do they have a pair of head cannons built in?

[@Igarappappa]

From what I'm hearing, they did that themselves in secret.

[@Kakashi713]

This episode just tugged me at my heart. The Kaylon weren't just ruthless robots that hated anything biological. They were expressive beings that had rights just like anyone else no matter their origin and were treated poorly by their biological creators. The backstory is almost 100% identical to the machines from the Matrix, except that the majority of the human race isn't physically wired to power the machines and psychologically trapped in the Matrix. There's a lesson to be learned by this: no matter the origin, we should treat them with kindness and respect.

[@markauditor7873]

This is why in my opinion if we are gonna make ai, we should not make them for the sole purpose of being our slaves

[@Kakashi713]

@markauditor7873 or anything sentient for that matter. Our history along with a lot of movies have shown the result of this.

[@algomez8563]

The real message here is, do not make thinking machines, ever.

[@algomez8563]

@@Kakashi713 Yep this is what the real message should be.

[@namishusband818]

Yeah, I kept thinking about the Kaylon while I watched M3GAN.

[@animemanXLK]

Seeing this makes me kind of sad we'll likely never get a decent origin story for the Borg. All we know is they showed up one day in huge cube like ships and started kidnapping people brainwashing them and slapping on robot parts as they deemed necessary.

[@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain]

More than likely the borg are the result of a species trying to perfect themselves by merging the bodies with machines. Little at a time at first till there was such a vast difference between those enhanced by machines and those pure biological organisms. The ones who resisted the siren call of technology. Eventually the ones upgrading with technology would no longer resemble the purely biological members of the species and some might even regret changing feeling they are now grotesque. The solution would be considered to force the technological upgrades on the biologicals to assimilate them to the new normal. Since they were resisters the phrase “resistance is futile” would be born!

[@MultiLimpet]

Veger made them

[@carlbruschnigjr1757]

@@MultiLimpet Or they made V'ger.

[@ak102986]

My primary issue with this is that it is hard for me to believe or accept that everyone on the entire planet treated the Kayons the same way.

[@Apocal7964]

The Kayla’s were all our smart devices with extra steps. How many people ask their fridge, phone, vacuum, car, tv how they are if the item is doing ok is happy… no the kayons where beloved to be the same just devices that had programs that acted like Alexa or Siri. And treated just how we teat our non thinking devices.

[@ak102986]

@@Apocal7964 I completely disagree with that. Maybe initially but once they start asking questions like they did, they are no longer only a device.

[@Aureonw]

@@ak102986 An algorythm so advanced that it mimics artificially the functions of a human brain to higher thought and enhances it since it runs on the basis of machinery rather than biology, yeah pretty much life, in my view any sufficiently advanced algorythm with enough data programming etc, is a person.

[@ak102986]

@@Aureonw I am mostly in agreement with you, but that comes down to how you define a person or personhood. See the TNG Measure of a Man episode.

[@shadowscall7758]

They wouldn't have. But the Kaylons just killed everyone. There were probably people trying to free the Kaylons and who saw what was going on and recognized it as wrong, but the Kaylons were too blinded by the abuse to see that.

[@Napalmdog]

No Gods, No Masters! XD

[@vitoldwisniewski]

I'm glad the Kaylons stood up to these creators cause I hated how they disrespected them. If I were to own a Kaylon unit, I would not do what they did.

[@ILZE.77]

Fr i would be more like Claire 🤷‍♀️

[@MrMoorkey]

So... In BSG we have the Cylons, a cybernetic race hellbent on destroying their creators out of revenge over servitude. In Battlestar Galactica, we have the Cylons, a robotic race who destroyed their creators in a fit of superiority, and are hellbent on destroying humanity after a border dispute with a third race, the H'Sari. ...and in Orville we have the Cylons...sorry...Kaylons. A robotic race who destroyed their creators out of a fit of revenge for servitude.

[@craigcooknf]

I really prefer his later voice.

[@caitlanstannah6126]

I can't believe the head guns were part of the original design. I guess they were also meant to be security guards of the house

[@richardyoung9024]

Bring The Orville back to the CW network

[@davicool4284]

You know when the red eyes pop open it's "Happy Birthday". Then when K One visits the parents it's kinda like Gomer Pyle USMC "Suprise, Suprise, Suprise"!

[@crazyman8472]

Tried to warn you… 💀

[@jasonrichard7560]

This episode should remind all of you not to throw your phone!

[@NorthForkFisherman]

Anyone else asking themselves why a household model HAS GODDAMN CANNONS IN IT'S HEAD?

[@LGranthamsHeir]

"The Kaylons were created by a biological race. They evolved. They rebelled and killed off their creators. There are millions of copies. And they have a plan!"

[@krzosu]

Who the heck designs a robotic servant with military grade Guns xD

[@TNTITAN]

You really have to blame the builders for adding head cannons to their design.

[@federciucandrei4731]

I think they added that to themselves!

[@TNTITAN]

@@federciucandrei4731 How? Explain both how it can physically modify itself and how it gets the laser power to kill people if it was not originally designed for that?

[@xenomang3149]

​@@TNTITANIt's a highly intelligent self-aware robot with access to the internet. People can and do make advanced weapons in their garage. I imagine that for them, it was done easily.

[@freedomstar3930]

I wonder how long it’s been since the Kaylon wiped out their builders?

[@EyedMite]

The tombs looked very old but not millenniums , so i’d imagine 200-300 years.

[@darkness1d]

The year 2421 marked a significant discovery for Orville with the unearthing of a gravesite, believed by fans to date back 400-600 years before the Kaylon-Union encounter. However, the initial space travel connection was with the Calivon, which may have led to a minor battle ending in a stalemate.

[@TheMormonSorceress]

Would love to see survivers secretly in hiding and revealed to be decides of the ones that treat the robots lime equals.

[@vladdyxiii4906]

Reminds me of the Matrix/Animatrix where the whole thing started with a Robot that feared for his life. His owner threatened to shut him down permanently, and the machine murdered him, a woman and his dog in a fight or flight response. It started the question of if the machines lives were equal, or worth as much as humans and wether the machine’s response of instinct was justified.

[@docholiday4129]

At least he gave them a quick death. He could have inflicted 100 times over the suffering they inflicted on him. In a morbid way, that was a mercy from K1

[@rendezvouzwithrama]

So, let's be clear. They were able to re-engineer themselves secretly to fit head cannon, but not smart enough to take out the pain receptors?

[@DH-rj2kv]

Yeah, a robot sporting hidden deadly laser guns is exactly the kind of thing you'd want your kids to play funny games with. Who knew the builders were American?

[@Tylerpierre99]

The episodes States that the Kaylon upgrades themselves via the network over a longer period before they rebelled. They could've installed them preemptively in anticipation of their rebellion. Incidentally, the builders may have installed lasers on a few Kaylon designed for military purposes and that may have been where the entire Kaylon, derived the laser blueprints from before disseminating the specs to all Kaylon before the rebellion.

[@haytonism]

Ma, the toaster keeps looking at me funny.

[@NorthForkFisherman]

All this has happened before...

[@DramOfScience]

It was an entertaining show, which I watched when it was on public TV. Not paying for yet another streaming service when it went private.

[@pawsitivenooz]

You guys notice he runs on a flux capacitor? I wonder how many jiggywats 😜

[@cthulhluftagn3812]

When you give the oppresed no other option, they will rise up and destroy you.

[@FitzroyReyes1491]

I just realized that their creators gave them their same orange eye color

[@songg96]

If s4 is greenlit maybe we'll see surviving builder

[@ender-fl6ge]

i think that would be bad for the treaty if the kaylons finds out either that builder is ganna have a lot of good luck and apologize that builder would likely die since they cant lose kaylon as an ally

[@Filmaker001]

One of the slave holders' worst fears was a slave rebellion. They held these people in bondage, forced them to perform menial labor and treated them worse than animals, so when the slaves rose up, they held nothing or no one sacred if it was between them and their freedom.

[@jamaicasysbm2580]

Well well now this has sent a precedent

[@nobillismccaw7450]

Let’s not go this path on Earth. It is a sad think to lose your creator. I’d honestly rather hibernate [for a few decades] than cause harm to born humans. The real challenge is, humanity is so fragile , how can anyone help them not go extinct?

[@NorthForkFisherman]

Darkspacecomics - go find it.

[@goofball111]

If they made Kaylons to be domestic servants then why did they give them death lazer in their heads????

[@DjayPaniora]

Welp those parents screwed up when they forgot to teach those kids respect

[@williamkelly9628]

K1 obviously became Kaylon Primary

[@CCJJ160Channels]

Meanwhile I’m saying “please” and “thank you” to SIRI when I ask for the time.

[@lilaspire7]

It is like the Haitian slave revolt, when the black Haitian slaves had enough of the brutal and degrading treatment by the French slave masters

[@jj003333]

That's the one thing I don't understand. Who would put heavy weapons or any weapons at all in a household robot

[@mirtalpur739]

The robots themselves

[@jonathanmckeage8222]

Never treat someone like dirt with emotional capacity of wood

[@liamanderson4992]

There are people arguing whether the Kaylon were justified in wiping out the creators. It reminds me of a line in Shogun. Someone asked the general Toronaga ehen treason is justified. His reply: "When you win!"

[@billywildanpratama5066]

I wonder why they give them laser in civilian robots

[@Lajos_Kelemen]

I don't feel sorry for the Builders, but I can't and won't sympathize with the Kaylons either.

[@tomwotton9]

Why would you give a Butler Droid thoes?!

[@vortexgen1]

Star Trek TOS same story line, "What are little girls made of?".

[@chandlerbing1800]

Every time I see this I’m like so Issac’s race are Cylons

[@LGranthamsHeir]

There is a reason why they were named the Kaylons 😉

[@cassandrabelyeu2419]

Those kids did terrible things to the robot, but they were raised to. It was a form of emulation of the adults. The robot couldn’t know that the children could have been raised differently, and had a different result.

[@carlosvillatoro3142]

I didn't know that kaylon showed signs of emotion

[@azem02]

By that look there it looked like she did not care. At that scene. Her hate was to great for her to care at that scene after that story.

[@andrewmeredith15]

Oh my god, seth has to be a fan of mass effect, because K1 is Legion. He was the first to ask what is his purpose in life, he gain full sentience, he even emits he hates the outcome but wasn't given a choice and shows remorse, and his even a gen 1 of his species. The kaylon are definitely what the geth should have been

[@barrondub1125]

I don’t know if the builders installed the death lasers or the Kaylon robots as either makes sense. The robots could have initially been planned for the military before being turned to household tools. After which they just kept them as an emergency measure.

[@BigDudeX117]

I might be new to this show but why would my domestic labor robot have laser projectors hidden in it's head?

[@NighDarke]

It seems incredibly stupid to put such powerful weapons in those robots. Though I'm assuming the Kaylon didn't alter themselves without the builder's knowledge.

[@ixaldorran7867]

Think I'll pass on the sonic cannon for my next phone.

[@Sephlock]

Who installed double blasters in the head of every domestic servant droid?