The Packers Are Bad

The Green Bay Packers lost to the Las Vegas Raiders on Monday Night Football 17-13.Jordan Love, Matt LaFleur & the entire offense struggled to move the ball and it ultimately cost them the game.
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[@joefla2507]

I don’t know what’s more off putting, the fact my Raiders won a game of football or the fact that Joe Barry and Josh McDaniels are still employed in the NFL.

[@broizon205]

Well, your coach is no longer worst in the league, so that’s a big win, compared to my coach, Matt Lafraud, who has now taken your coach’s place as worst head coach in the league. And yeah, Matt Lafraud and Joe Barry need to be fired immediately.

[@christrigg1]

@@broizon205 no its not a win, we want him to fail so he leaves, let him build a career somewhere else but not with the raiders. This game was flaccid because of him ruining our offense inside and out for the past year and counting. I'm sure Green Bay can relate though

[@Ice_cube7117]

Matt Canada

[@TheMisanthropistTM]

As a Raiders fan; both.

[@GuitarsNAmmo]

Not to worry, the Raiders will finish 6-11 and McFrauDaniels will be fired, hopefully. (SARCASM ALERT) Isn't Jimmy G a huge upgrade over Derek Carr???(SARACASM ALERT) Facts: 15.5 PPG, 7TDs ,7Ints is not an upgrade in any size shape or form over Derek Carr.

[@DrNoThanks]

This is why I like Tom, he's honest about the team and has insights that you wish the coaches had.

[@avthecool129]

Fr

[@gregwillert-po6nq]

I don't understand how they had 10 days to prepare for this game and looked this unprepared?

[@tonywilson4713]

MAYBE they spent 9 days wondering about how bad the Lions mauled them and forgot this game was on??????

[@ch33zybreadtrellie4]

No Aaron jones…..simple as that. He’s the offense.

[@mattylatvala43]

​@@ch33zybreadtrellie4that's concerning LMAO

[@doggpound9319]

Cause Jordan Love is not him.

[@Thelowestofthelowtiers]

​@@ch33zybreadtrellie4Why is he your offense? You have an above average receiving core,you have AJ Dillon,and Jordan Love can be a competent QB and could be better. You seriously can function with this? I get you guys have a crappy O-Line,but you're telling me you couldn't scheme something up with these guys?

[@Mr96POP]

This is the first time the Raiders have beaten the Packers since 1987. It’s crazy to think one team has kept wining against the other for nearly 4 decades.

[@joshsimpson1648]

To be fair it's usually been Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre at the helm. And I assume the teams meet maybe once every several years

[@Johnsons97]

The Jets have never beat the Eagles at any point in nfl history and they first played each other in 1973 (ironically they are playing each other this Sunday)

[@marquise7200]

They don’t play eachother that often once every 4 years and y’all had two hof qbs it’s kinda makes sense to me .

[@Lungolord]

It's something like in those 36 years they've played 12 times? Around there I believe

[@173jaSon371]

Reminds me of the Patriots vs Chargers matchups. The Chargers are 3-20 vs the Pats in the past 50 years, with all 3 wins coming from 2002 to 2008

[@theelike4302]

Joe Barry was the DC of the 0-16 Lions and he's really looked like it.

[@broizon205]

Packers do no background checks on their defensive coordinators, because otherwise, we wouldn’t hire people like Mike Pettine and Joe Barry.

[@Noctem_pasa]

Holy shit how is he still employed

[@broizon205]

@@Noctem_pasa Because Matt Lafraud keeps him around and doesn’t have the balls to fire him.

[@strategicsage7694]

@@Noctem_pasa Sometimes fail is not the coaches' fault, sometimes it is. No DC could have saved that Lions defense. It was one of the worst in NFL history because there was almost nothing to work with. Which isn't to defend Barry's current performance, it's just ... team failures aren't always the fault of the coach.

[@chenzomutumbo9140]

the defense allowed 17 points, including holding the raiders to 3 points from the 8 yard line, 4 sacks, an interception and should have have more according to were Barry had them lined up.

[@shawn7384]

As a Raider fan for 4 decades, I can honestly tell you I feel your pain, Tom. We spent $102 million on our offense and have yet to put up at least 20 points in a game this year! I have to agree with you, I thought the Pack would win, but our Defense is starting to show signs of life and the only reason we won.

[@thenumberquelve158]

It was a real breath of fresh air to see our defense actually bail Josh McDaniels out of his incompetence for a change. Good to know Maxx Crosby isn't the only guy on the defensive side of the ball who can take over a game :D

[@DreamofThrills]

dang lions didnt spend half thst and are wayyyy better. like night and day.laporta is destroying mayer too

[@jeffyboi6969]

true and you held Watson by his jersey and a cheap horse collar. typical raiders things.

[@DevilKillerJCS]

Yeah, the Raiders were not good on offense in that game, and have been terrible this season offensively. It's been a LONG time since the Raiders' defense has been the reason why they won a game. It's really weird to be honest. I guess it just shows how much of a mess the Packers are since the Raiders defense is still one of the worst in the league. Though on the bright side, this game made McDaniels look AWFUL. Keep it up please; we need more evidence of your incompetence so Mark Davis can't ignore it any longer. The Raiders aren't going to be a good team until he's fired.

[@joshuagunthner1838]

It's weird to watch Jimmy struggle this much with Josh Jacobs and Devonte Adams. He was frustrating as a niner but not out right bad. We figured he'd struggle but still get yall to 10-7, 9-8. Not sure why he's a turnover machine now. Bad play calling or not he should know better than to make those throws.

[@hyper_lightning]

Raider fan here, was glad to see them not blow it for once! Wish both our teams were better though :(

[@PoisonMissile]

It's McDaniels. To bad we can't get rid of him for a while tho🤦

[@A_New_Wavy]

@@PoisonMissile he'll be gone next year, so no worries.

[@gyulajakab5852]

McDaniels tried the packers just blew harder.

[@DustyRoberson]

GG Buddy, good luck and godspeed!

[@kennethsmith8788]

⁠@@A_New_Wavy I wish I could agree, but for the fact they blew their head coach budget on both Jack Del Rio and Gruden (for which the Raiders are still on the hook). They don’t have the money for a quality head coach right now. The other factor is Mark Davis himself. Even if the Raiders go 2-15 this season, Davis will still be reluctant to pull the trigger. Look at how long it took him to finally fire Dennis Allen. In this organization, failure doesn’t mean you’re gonna lose your job, and success, especially in Jack Del Rio’s case (or Rich Bisaccia for that matter), is no guarantee you’re gonna keep it, either.

[@protoman1365]

I don’t mind the roster having problems, the fact that they went 8-9 last year with Rodgers is why I kept my expectations still low and grounded for this season. I said 6-11, hoping for maybe that 7th or 8th game as a stretch goal. But the fact that Lafleur arguably looked like a worse coach than McDaniels, and that Love looked horrible against a bad defense, those are both terrible signs for the future.

[@brubie7584]

The only reason they might do better than 6-11, is because they have one of the easiest schedules in the league. Frankly with their schedule, only winning 6-7 games is tragic. They have like 7-8 games against the worst teams in the league this year.

[@kngo22086]

I'm very disappointed in MLF. He doesn't put his players in very good positions to succeed from the scheming, preparation, to the play calling on offense. I understand it's a young team and going through the growing pains and such but you have a 5th year HC to coach these players, not a 1st or 2nd yr HC.

[@broizon205]

Time for us to come together and fire MLF and Joe Barry!

[@10thletter40]

Y'all should play the Jets, Wilson is the MLF hunter I heard

[@choosecarefully408]

Been warning people about him since Rodgers said to the press what could have been done about the rookie receivers *in the preseason.* No effing _way_ does Rodgers go to the press before speaking to his HC. Who ignored him like he was a Slow Child. Granted, it's not _all_ his fault. This franchise side-steps Great Prospects every draft so consistently that *I'm convince* they try to draft well enough to keep their jobs but want to be rewarded by not having to work over the Holidays (miss the playoffs). & let's face it, _he _*_wants_* Joe Barry gone. But we all watched him stare at the field in incomprehension after those rookie receivers dropped Rodgers; perfect dimes as if confused & continued to ignore Rodgers' ideas while his own continued to fail. He Does Not make in-game adjustments & couldn't adjust to Jones not being able to play tonight. _That_ is on him, no one else.

[@afrayedrope1939]

I thought he was overrated from the start, but he got boosted by rodgers

[@apinecone2753]

@@choosecarefully408same here dude, he’s an awful awful HC, can’t teach players, just a mediocre playcaller on his good days

[@77Samuel75]

Being a lifelong Raiders fan, I must admit that losing to them means the Packers really do suck this season. However, one season is nothing compared to all the years of disappointment the Raiders have gifted me with.

[@michaeldc951]

I’m a chargers fan so I feel your pain. Lol

[@humorinpolitics56]

I'm proud of the raiders fans that have stuck with them over the decades. Thats true dedication as a fan and it deserves mad respect.

[@77Samuel75]

@@humorinpolitics56 thanks!

[@humorinpolitics56]

@7Sam5 No problem, it's the truth. I'm not one to shove it in the faces of the fans of teams that have been struggling for a long time. What's the point, really? We're fans of the sport first and foremost. A little ribbing after a game is fine, but some A-holes take it way too far. Mind you, I don't mind you guys taking Jimmy G. Now that we got Brock playing lights out, lmfao. But you have a new KZbin comment friend from Canada.

[@ggvbayareaoakland5914]

Lol very true

[@MVM28]

Lions Fans: We've been waiting for this moment for a VERY long time!

[@brettrossi034]

I'm sure Bears fans want to say this too 😅 but they've got their own things going on lately. Good to see Detroit collectively show happiness for the first time in god knows how long, although I'm a Packers fan, but growing pains is the theme for sure

[@HodgePodgeProducts]

It's been 84 years

[@NewMexicanJaguar23]

Jaguars fan here, I'm happy for you all! Go Lions!

[@DukeofGames50]

​@@NewMexicanJaguar23your team need to keep winning because I wanna see YOUR tails in OUR Super Bowl 🐆🦁

[@philsbootleg]

As a lions fan I saw this coming a long time ago it’s really no surprise the Lions are dominating the NFC north

[@datboybobby]

Ah another example of Rodgers covering the coaches weakness.

[@datboybobby]

@@IsaacMSingleton1 Yup Rodgers tried to warn the fans like he did with McCarthy and they turned on him.

[@NLSNcs]

​@datboybobby pretty easy to "turn" on a guy who makes himself into thr villain of the NFL lol

[@disguyovahere9376]

@@NLSNcs The media makes him the villain.. you obviously eat up what they spoon feed you

[@user-qr7ee2cp4y]

Rogers carried that whole team...

[@jestersuave3976]

​@@user-qr7ee2cp4ypffft, Rodgers can't even carry himself right now.

[@kamvex1788]

People need to remember that Aaron Rodgers had a first full season record of 6-10. He also had 7 starts before that particular year of 2008. Love needs some time before that determination of whether he's good or bad can be fully made.

[@Cpg443]

Wins aren’t a QB stat, rodgers was doing great in losses, Love is doing terrible in losses.

[@markanthony1004]

@@Cpg443It’s fair to say thought that Rodgers had a better staff around him with new guys but with veterans as well and there just aren’t that many guys on the offense outside of a few who’ve been in the league for a long time and are healthy and difference makers aka Aaron Jones. I think Watson gets better and idk if Doubs was double covered the whole game or if they were able to shit him and Reed down considering we know both those guys are actually really good. We know how good Watson can be but yeah it’s growing pains right now. I wasn’t expecting a playoff team just maybe a .500 team

[@Mrwaluigi777]

People need to stop calling Love a future hall of famer. He is a run of the mill QB. He is nothing special. Love was overhyped only because of his race, prove me wrong.

[@C3H5N3O9]

@@Mrwaluigi777who tf overhyped him because of his race?? You are on some other shit bro

[@carthagegaming5545]

I think he can grow into being good... but he really struggles with pressure rn.

[@cmucodemonkey]

I'm more concerned about the play calling than Love's performance. I came into this season thinking "OK, time to take off the kid gloves, give Love the full playbook and see what he can do." Then MLF and company refuse to throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field, despite the average yards to gain for a first down on third down being almost 7 all night. I'm worried if the play calling doesn't improve we will not have an accurate evaluation of Love. I'm all for moving off Love at the end of the year if he's not the guy, but only if he is given every opportunity than Rodgers had in order to fairly see what we are working with.

[@uncleflansy5621]

I'm a Bears fan, and all I can say is that it's been enjoyable living vicariously through the Lions this year. They've been bad for so long that it's nice to see them finally win a couple games. Like a little brother finally making his mark on the world.

[@DarkcIoud1111.]

I'm a Steelers fan with no connection to Detroit or the Lions in general, but they've always been my "underdog" team. They were so bad for so long, but I would cheer for them if they were on tv as long as they weren't playing the Steelers.

[@jayleon89]

Whew half a season 😅

[@packisbetter90]

As a pack fan I can live with it. All of our divisions teams had turns leading or winning the division the past 30 years so now it's finally the lions turn

[@tristanavery4844]

I think its good for the division. Its been so lopsided for so long that one team is almost guaranteed a playoff spot. I hope it gets more competitive in years to come, which will make for better teams all around.

[@connorrobinson7980]

100% real. Finally someone said it. This gotta be Gutacunts and LaFleurs last year. Really showing how clueless they are…

[@sdn40]

While everyone was screaming for Rodgers' head at the end of last year, I said we'd be talking about MLF's head at the end of 2023. I was off by 12 weeks. Love is struggling due to accuracy (been a problem from day one) and he is late on a lot of throws (decision making / progressions).

[@mariojimenez227]

Yup, Rodgers to Adams saved many games. Love's ball placement has always been horrible.

[@Denzalist]

As a Raiders fan iv learnt to feel nothing, every game we give the other team every opportunity to win either stupid calls or making every penalty known to man. So I feel for you . If we didn't have maxx we would have been screwed

[@leftcloud9]

Same sentiment. I guess is keeping you all’s now special team coach made too much sense. Pretty Jimmy is NOT an upgrade over Carr. And frankly McDummy is a downgrade from Rich

[@Sarahbuchler05]

It’s alright bud, as a lions fan (my first season watching was the 2008 season), it eventually gets better.

[@noahspear8062]

Key word eventually

[@latherandrinse9645]

My first season as well! I was 8 years old and didn't understand anything but here we are, still roaring!

[@Sarahbuchler05]

@@latherandrinse9645to be honest I was like 3 ish 4 so I don’t remember most of it but it was my first season watching!!

[@brockstar1461]

It's the Packers turn to be at the bottom of the division for a couple decades. I wonder what the division will look like in a few weeks.

[@thomaskressig3829]

Four decades of hall of fame quarterback play, he’s had it pretty good for a while. No team is good forever

[@Lol25Playz]

A lot of Jordan Love‘s passes were late. He saw the open wide receivers, but by the time he decided to throw the ball there, the wide receivers were no longer open. Even on that final interception, if Love had thrown the ball a second earlier, that becomes a touchdown instead of a pick.

[@braydonlittlegreen6369]

And that is where experience and preparation come into play, neither of which Love looked like he had

[@dabbingtoast7743]

I mean this is what Jordan Love was his final year of college when he threw 17 interceptions. Just atrocious Jameis Winston levels of decision making.

[@darklordphantom4870]

Exactly, mofo haven't improve since college. Have 4 years of nfl development and still play like shit.

[@IROC400]

Back to back primetime losses... I can't even remember the last time that happened if ever...

[@romansans1581]

As a lifelong Saints and Lions fan, you can probably guess my opinion on the Packers, but watching Grossi has really softened me up to the stuff the Packers have been dealing with and what they’ve dealt with the past decade or so. We choke games, the Packers choke games, we’re not so different after all.

[@corynaberhaus2962]

Saints and Lions fan here too (there are dozens of us). I think the thing I like most is despite being a packer show, Tom almost feels unbiased. It’s just always a really fair take on the actual situation

[@greedyzombie16]

My hate for the packers has slowly faded since Aaron left

[@packisbetter90]

Saints and Packers with Brees and Rodgers were both really similar. Some choked and definitely some terrible playoff luck

[@danlabok7117]

As an outsider, I see the coaching as problem number one because if you read Love's face and body language it said 'why the F did you call that play'?. Issue two is the O line. They to me looked confused and didn't communicate well in blocking assignments (see Crosby for more info) and lastly it not taking advantage of Josh McDaniels idiocy. There was blood in the water and no one went in for the kill.

[@tomatoisnotafruit5670]

Yep, well said. Love had a bad game but a lot of the blame for that goes to the coaching and play calling. It was atrocious, There was so many plays that even a casual fan is scratching his head thinking wtf are you doing and like you said you could see it on Love's face as well. It's hard to play well when you are forced into plays that make no sense in the game situation. And McDaniel's and his raiders tried really hard to lose this game too. Seems Mcdaniels is making the wrong call in every single critical situation and the decision is not even a hard one, but Mcdaniels got lucky the Packers coaching was somehow worse this game otherwise Mcdaniels would be the butt of the bad coaching jokes for another week.

[@Silverlightlive]

I'm not a Packers fan, but they are one of my favourite teams. I am a Grossi fan, and I feel for you, brother.

[@snotnosewilly99]

Things will get better next week, as GB plays the Denver Donkeys. Everybody beats the Donkeys....just ask the Miami Fish. Grossi and Perna going mouth to mouth....microphones could melt.

[@Silverlightlive]

@@snotnosewilly99 The question is how many points GB can put up against the Broncos. I'm starting to think Chef Russ is cooking to get out of town.

[@michaeldaniellemccloskey4127]

Your point about patience at the end is key. I see so many social media comments about how we need to clean house but that won’t help anything. I was at this game and it looks like Love is struggling with his reads and progressions. But again, only his sixth start.

[@KBroly]

The pick by Love at the end felt like something Rodgers did in Green Bay the last 3 years. So I think it's the playcalling.

[@milferdjones2573]

Receiver was waving I'll get it. The coach was waving throw it there and probably throwing there the plan. And the Receiver is way taller than the Defender and probably likely to get the win but the defender timed their jump perfically to get it. So it not Love stupidity. He not Brady or Rodgers to put it on other side of the receiver in a much harder throw so no chance it gets grabbed but he might be there in year or two or not Rodgers first year he was not that good. As a Bucs fan watching Brady throw to what must be a slightly larger than the football spot in end zone while the receiver not anywhere close to the end zone just knowing they would beat there man and the ball most often hit that spot it was amazing. And the receiver able to trust bRady to hit that spot so face into the end zone so the ball went over their shoulder and into their hands while never looking for the ball took skill as well. Rodgers could do that too but I did not have the opportunity to see that as close up. It was sad half way though last season when Brady fell apart other than two minute drills as he started missing open receivers a lot of the time.

[@Nichrysalis]

Honestly looked more like a Favre-type pick. The con of living by the gunslinging is you die by the gunslinging sometimes.

[@Jettrey]

Rodgers didn't force throws he didn't need to attempt. It's definitely a Farve esque throw.

[@connorboyle3027]

That pick by Love at the end was thrown about a second too late. WR was wide open and Love didn’t throw it until the defender had a chance to recover. It was a late pass that was poorly thrown

[@erikmichal525]

I appreciate that Tom can react to this game, criticize his team, and still be supportive. Too much over reaction theatre in the NFL.

[@shanegiggles2108]

If not for an injury to the Saints Packers would be 1-4

[@thekingbarrelmaker7642]

I mean New Orleans missed a makeable field goal at the end. You didn’t even have to mention the injury.

[@ch33zybreadtrellie4]

Did Aaron Jones Play in that game?? How bout jaire?? Ooooooooh only the saints had a big player out right? The hell outta here

[@strategicsage7694]

If not for injuries to the Packers they might well have won some of the other games. There's tons of unknowables like that.

[@garbo7779]

Also a 4th down and 3 yards from being 4-1

[@jewsco]

@@ch33zybreadtrellie4big difference between those players snd ones starting Qb but nice try cheesehead

[@WyJosh]

As a packers fan, im shocked that I didn't find your page earlier!! Great video, ill be tuning in for the rest of them!

[@Buckeyefanatic123]

As a Bears fan your streams are the best. Football content is awesome

[@laughoutloud9712]

@@zdr01031994the packers may suck but the packers still own the bears

[@frippertonics6421]

@@zdr01031994The Bears-Packers matchup at the end of the season ought to be a good one. Bear Down!

[@jewsco]

@@zdr01031994as a bears fan too I hope the packers enter Qb hell for a long period of time they are overdo

[@ProfKisuto]

It's funny how much he sounds like we have with Fields lol

[@Mike-jv4rz]

@@zdr01031994 Bear fan here - agreed....

[@WhatLiesBeneath24]

Matt lefluers coaching not to lose or get hurt is getting old.

[@NexusJake97]

Every time the Packers lose, it just makes me more upset the Saints blew that lead

[@Bucko99]

As a packer fan, the refs handed us that game. I don't think the saints threw

[@brandedmcgowan9414]

​@@AstroBimpsonespecially since we shutout the Patriots and scored double the points as well plus 21 at halftime?! Should of been two shutout wins and an 4-1 record and top scoring defense on the league over San Fran and Dallas.

[@kevintownsend7334]

69 years on 2 PI calls back to back...

[@thenflwithajl]

MHM

[@fuhbox]

Jameis

[@Nobody48488]

After the Bears win Rex Ryan was the only announcer to say “he’s not good” And his reason, all the double clutching during the bear game Red said, those double clutches will become picks against a good team. 😊

[@cynosureanthem2158]

Hey everyone remember before the season when Mark Murphy said “We are gonna see Matt’s true offense without Aaron here and Jordan playing” maybe Aaron rubbed the front office the wrong way because he was more intelligent and people in power positions don’t like that..

[@matthewpulizos3444]

Yeah the rodgers hating packers fan sure got quite quick

[@matthewpulizos3444]

@@IsaacMSingleton1 thank you!! Exactly what I’ve been saying

[@platoiii5052]

Murphy is 100% right, and we're seeing it. Problem is MLF's offense is total dogshit and relies on Aaron Jones. If he's not playing, we're a bottom 4 team offensively, and that'd being generous.

[@CiabanItReal]

Love was doing well, then the league adjusted, he's going to have to adjust back, that's what determines if he is meant for this league as a starter.

[@KermitChamp]

He’s finally admitting to it 🎉🎉

[@FlungFluPanda]

Packers are evaluating talent this year😂😂relax lil bro

[@PoisonMissile]

@@FlungFluPandajust keep telling yourself that buddy

[@ChristopherStandardTime]

oh lord, people are all butt-hurt about a football team. 😂 it's entertainment - let it go, y'all.

[@tylerbutash]

@@FlungFluPandainsane copium

[@benjisurf]

@@FlungFluPandathis is insane cope especially when you consider the fact that they don’t have any talent

[@snapperl]

Are we gonna see a packer version of new new new worst game ever?

[@mychaeljones7526]

Probably not were too "mid" to be that bad!

[@broizon205]

Yes, absolutely! This game broke me as a Packers fan!😡😡😡

[@darklordphantom4870]

Yes when we get Molly wop by the broncos. Bring Clifford in.

[@emrecankarabacak]

Jordan Love thinking he's facing the Saints and th refs will just throw ghost DPI flags.

[@darklordphantom4870]

Right.

[@047Kenny]

Yeah I don’t think MLF is the genius we thought he was. It was clear he was getting carried by arod his first 3 years… he’s never been able to coach a full game. Embarrassing

[@SparkyForce]

Wish you had mentioned the dropped passes before that final interception. Perfectly good throws that, if caught, prevent Love from tossing the ball up with a prayer.

[@malekodesouza7255]

They looked like the Ravens…😂

[@davidbrunner321]

I feel like I am watching a mix of a normal Packers fan as well as Vic Ketchman. Blend the passion of a fan and the grounding analysis of Vic. I watched this video and "achieved perspective" 👍

[@karanramphal3069]

We’re only 5 weeks into the season, Jordan Love has a lot to grow from. The coaching tonight was terrible but honestly I’ve kinda expected it considering how the packers have been the last three seasons. We’re 100% in a rebuild but we still have a more than half a season to go, I’m intrigued to see what this team looks like by the end of the season. My prediction? 6-11

[@158Xavk]

just curious, where are those 4 wins supposed to come from? Cuz after yesterday, I don't feel like we could win more than 4.

[@jammer9941]

​@@158Xavk they have the broncos next, the panthers are on their schedule, the giants, the vikings twice, and one more with the bears. I'm not a packers fan, but winning 4/6 of those is certainly possible to get 6 wins.

[@karanramphal3069]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@158Xavk my guess would be Steelers, Giants, Bucs and the Bears again. But I see what you mean, with how the O-line is and the coaching, I’m not too sure anymore

[@darklordphantom4870]

3-14 only other win against the bear. We losing all our game.

[@brubie7584]

​@@IsaacMSingleton1Denver defense dominating any offense is a joke. As bad as the packers are, the Denvers defense has managed to make Chicago and Washington look like the have playoff calliber offenses. They recently gave up tied for the most points in NFL history. Heck they made the Jets offense look stellar last week (at least until they got to the endzone)

[@sodog44]

Be thankful they don't have to play the 49ers this year especially after watching the pile driving they gave the Cowgirls Sunday night.

[@jerrunholt5571]

Issues with Green Bay *love has accuracy issues *matt Lefluer looks like a lost confused puppy *joe Barry being here

[@shadowflamegaming5598]

As a Vikings fan, you’re like us! I wonder which one of us will out bad the other week 8.

[@tonywilson4713]

Now that's a damn harsh insult to a Packers fan who's in pain. I'm a Viking fan and you're now like US! Dang that is cold.

[@ddellwo]

The Vikings will completely dismantle this Packer team…….😐

[@Gipsy_Eureka]

@@ddellwo Yea I have a hard time seeing the Packers winning against the Vikings.

[@sickof36]

Not even a Packers fan and I'm watching this😅. Your streams are entertaining and informative.

[@gwenmarie7311]

Exactly!! Me too

[@VVital387]

This is Gutekunst team officially. He owns this top to bottom. And the team has been regressing over the past 3-4 years. How many seasons will he get to prove he knows what he’s doing?

[@apinecone2753]

I wouldn’t say its just gutekunst, since MLF took over, Rashan Gary is the only guy on this roster that has actually improved year by year. MLF cannot COACH. He can only call mediocre plays, players don’t progress, and our depressed librarian of a HC isn’t helping.

[@apinecone2753]

@@IsaacMSingleton1 It's hard to say, he's definitely not even close to a great run defender, but just compare what he does now to what he did the first 2 years in the league, that's what I mean. he's the only guy since MLF took over that has shown significant improvement. I am nervous to see what his contract ends up being because you're absolutely right; he's still a liability.

[@jonathanhallett5563]

I agree with everything said here. My primary criticism of Jordan Love is that he telegraphs nearly every pass. It appears he knows who he is throwing to before the ball is snapped and stares that person down the entire play. I have hope that things will improve.

[@TaylorGruenke]

Horrible and lazy play calling on offense all night Tom. Pack had plenty of time yet, no need to try to force the ball in the end zone. This game is going to bug me for a while.

[@bucky3034]

Tom, after games like this you’re the only football talk I can stand. I’m too embarrassed to turn on espn or nfl network today.

[@ugosmith7529]

Love is also at the point where he has played enough time for other teams to have meaningful tape on him and adjust based on his tendencies. Meaning they can now adjust and anticipate him. Looking forward to see if, he himself, can make those adjustements and continue growing.

[@jrk3nn3dy]

Absolutely, which is why it's so important to get a run game established very quick into the game. The coaching is definitely not helping, and that's not giving Love a pass but you can't really establish a pass game when everyone is dropping into coverage because you have no run

[@lovinlorne]

Packer fans need to realize going from HOF’er to HOF’er is not the norm in the NFL. Montana to Young and Favre to Rodgers is not an everyday thing. You’re in for some rough times.

[@colew.5522]

Huge Packers fan.I said as soon as Rodgers was traded that the Packers wouldn’t even be .500 this season. Rodgers made up and covered for so many of the teams deficiencies. If we went 8-9 last year, with an injured Rodgers, why would we be better this year? People were quick to forget that even in a down year Rodgers is still better than league average. I think packers fans became spoiled wirh Rodgers and are going to start to miss him pretty soon. I never wanted him to leave, but will be rooting for his comeback story in New York. The play calling tonight was awful, and Loves decision making has looked pretty poor. Maybe Lafleurs success has mostly been due to Rodgers? We will find out…

[@TheUMIA]

The Division is still crap. You can still win quite a few games.

[@Benjamin_Tech]

Packers Fans after 6 games: “Love Sucks.” Bears Fans after Fields goes 5-20 as a starter: “Fields is a 2023 MVP candidate.” Packers have been spoiled, and Rodgers first season was 6-10. Let’s continue to evaluate.

[@noone1704]

I don't know what team we could beat. We're finishing top 5 in the draft for sure. Coaches and QB are crap that's it.

[@seanwallace89]

I have yet to see ONE single "dime" pass from Jordan Love in the NFL yet... I havnt even seen him hit a WR wide open like Watson tonight... on stride and on a line... remember Rodgers first shot to Watson game 1 last season and Watson just bricked it. I have never even seen that pass from Love.

[@lukebowman7513]

Love to Jones in the Eagles game last season and Love to Wicks in the Atlanta game. Love to Doubs in the Saints game as well as Love to Reed. Just off the top of my head. Quite trying to throw the guy under the bus, Josh Allen had a 53% completion percentage in 2018 and a 58% competition percentage in 2019, look how he turned out.

[@seanwallace89]

@@lukebowman7513 bro, I didn't say simply completed passes... I said "dimes" meaning the throw was a 10/10. Havnt seen one yet, watched every pass he's thrown.

[@TiggySL]

@@seanwallace89he’s thrown dimes but they haven’t been completions due to drops or good defense. That pass to Wicks in the end zone during the falcons game comes to mind. It’s weird, his best throws just haven’t been completions

[@lukebowman7513]

@@seanwallace89 and I gave you 4 examples of dimes, 4 throws that could not have been thrown any better, two of which weren't caught.

[@darklordphantom4870]

Jordan love ain't got it. If we lose to a broncos team that got 70 score on them and lost to the jets then bench him and let sean Clifford play. Aint got Time to cope. Gotta cut our lost while it early.

[@beebobber546]

And to think if the Saints didn’t collapse the Packers would very likely be 1-4

[@HawkTuaGirlFan]

Hi Tom. As a lions fan, I wouldn’t know what’s it’s like so I’m wondering how much it sucks to have to watch a dumpster fire every week. I couldn’t imagine having to watch terrible coaching and bad qb every week. Thanks Tom!

[@dolipops]

As a 30 year old Packers fan, idk what patience is anymore. We've always had a shot to win it all! I think a lot of Packers fans are confused after this game and you helped calm the noise, thank you.

[@tarkjones]

52 y/o Lions fan. You guys don't even know. 🙂

[@puddinpop2]

37 year old bears fan. Welcome to the world of embarrassment and disappointment

[@Dr-Alexander-The-Great]

Not trying to take a shot or anything. But in your 30 yr lifetime, the Packers have won 2 Super Bowls. In my 38 yrs, the Bills have yet to win 1.

[@Jminelli]

Now you know how it feels to not have Rodgers who covered up for a lot of previous issues. He won games for the Packers that otherwise should have been losses. Long time Lion fan. Its our Time.

[@frozennorth3426]

Whoever taught Jordan Love to be Aaron Rodgers did him a disservice

[@broizon205]

No, he needs that talk because that’s what we got him for, to be that next great qb for our team.

[@frozennorth3426]

@@broizon205 buddy, that’s what every team gets every QB for, but there’s different kinds of ways to be great as a quarterback, and not all of them involve a “scrambling heroball always works” strategy.

[@aboredgeek7127]

As a Lions fan, GB needs to learn to understand growing pains. Love has shown some good traits but he doesn't have everything around him that he needs. Give it a year or two. I know that will be hard since you have had 30 years of HoF QBs.

[@n3d_ludd379]

They weren't that bad, total over reaction. I mean have you seen the Broncos this year - or last year?

[@smashweights]

I distinctly remember the play where Preston Smith covered Adams and I recall my jaw dropping like "what is happening here???"

[@Angrypenguin-zf2gf]

Now there playing the niners in the divisional round

[@Wolf1225X]

I was neutral on both sides last night, but I had both Jayden Reed and Romeo Doubs (because my top receiver was on a bye and Aaron Jones was out...) and I needed 2 points to win my fantasy matchup. Who would've thought it would've been so damn frustrating trying to get one damn reception from both each. OMFG!!!!

[@MrSunni15]

As a Bears fan this is great lol. Love your videos man. Bear Dahnnn

[@rw2382]

When the Jets drafted Zach they literally told him on draft day, don't worry you're not going to have to carry the team, we'll carry you. They then put him with a rookie head coach, rookie OC (MLF), a QB coach who got killed before preseason, and was not replaced, no mentor older QB, a terrible OL, WRs at the top of the league in drops (none of whom are starting anywhere now), and forced him to start in the most hostile city with the most hostile fan base. At a position that usually requires time to develop, that's how you screw your future. How long has it taken Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, etc. to show that they may finally be getting it? And none on their original teams. Jaguars fans were calling Lawrence a bust through 4 games last year. But he had the good fortune to get a Super Bowl winning coach who has a knack for developing QBs. What a concept.

[@JonZiegler6]

guy might have only 6 games of experience, but dude has been in the league a few years, has been in all the meetings, watched the tape, idk, he seems more like a good backup than a starter

[@GraveDigger35]

It's a big difference between studying tape and actually playing

[@darklordphantom4870]

​​@@GraveDigger35stop the cope. He just suck. Haven't improve his accuracy even with the nfl development what make you think he will improve later on? He ain't it. I want an actual project 1st round qb not this turd who should of been a 4th or 5th round pick.

[@o0usf0o]

Finally Packer and patriot fans are feeling what life is like without a HOF QB

[@mikehawk5722]

As a Pats fan; worth it.

[@o0usf0o]

@@mikehawk5722 I’m a Bucs fan so trust me, 3 season with Tom was a blessing

[@kylescott9529]

“Why is Joe Barry still employed?” Was the exact same line Commanders fans asked circa 2015 and 2016 😅.

[@matthew.m.stevick]

That into is fire 🔥. Hang in there Tom . Eagles 🦅 fans love you, go birds!

[@rafaelrivera9346]

Go Birds!

[@the_sixxness]

I am a Lions fan and watched the game last night. I didn't see a bad quarterback out there the last two weeks. But I did see a bad offense.

[@Spykitty358]

As a long time packers fan it definitely sucks to see that this is how things are going, sure Rodgers didn't do well in his first few seasons and maybe we can see the same with Love. But as it stands the inexperience isn't just with one or two players, but it feels like it's for the entire team. That is often times the gamble you make when having a young team. As for this loss it pains me in 2 ways, being a Packers fan and Sub Chargers fan this felt like a double loss because the Raiders are divisional rivals to the Chargers but then again Chargers fans rarely have any expectations. Which is why when the Packers face off against the Chargers, despite me loving both teams and me being more a Packers fan, i might have to go for the Chargers just for the simple fact that at this rate i don't see the Packers really going far. So at least i can't be disappointed in that game. Never had much expectations going into the season but it's still frustrating to see this happening. Because now the question feels less of "is Jordan Love the guy" and more "What is this team doing with him?" But it's safe to say that if we lose to the Broncos, it will be panic time for the Packers. As well as a serious wake up call which i doubt will wake up the Packers. But i 100% agree about the team not helping Love, and with how the team is performing it's very hard to tell what's in the future.

[@Domineerer]

I'm still excited to see Jordan Love the rest of the season

[@Sintaris]

Suffering Tom Grossi is the best Tom Grossi.

[@chaseboler1999]

FIRE JOE BARRY! AND FIRE GUEDY!

[@edwardgrant7708]

At least you are better than the Bears........................... "Hello darkness my old friend."

[@_perza]

I think its time packers fan suffer just as much as the rest of us football fans.

[@djdanicp]

I have been a die-hard Lions fan for 40 years & suprisingly, despite being a Packers podcaster, a die-hard Tom Grossi fan for a few months now. My Lions are entertaining this season & so is Tom. It's looking like its going to be a great season for both & I will be watching.

[@michaelvincent7115]

That game sucked and GB should be ashamed.

[@mehassharpie]

I'm glad we brought up Matt Lafleur. I've never really liked him, and to hear Kurt Benkert say yesterday that he was the only coach in the NFL he never got along with, and then watching him chew out rookies on the sideline last night, I'm continuing to wonder on his ability to inspire players to a higher level.

[@ChristopherStandardTime]

Seahawks fan here - I feel for your squad, dude. People are super quick to throw young quarterbacks under the bus, but they need time. Two words: Geno Smith. Hope Jordan Love works out. At a quick glance, he looks like he just needs a little help to piece it all together. Keep makin' videos, I'll keep watchin'!

[@foregottenone4367]

Matt's been out coached every week and the 1st half stats prove it. An to make matters worse it feels like he's terrified to call plays because Love doesn't have any grasp on the plays or Defense he's going against. These past few weeks it comes across like we had zero scripted plays because nothing looked like it had any resemblance of being rehearsed. No innovation, no speed motions, nothing to attack an aggressive D. Hell when Watson got us on the Goal like instead of sneaking a tight end out to counter an aggressive Crosby, we just ran it in the middle over an over. Its Mike McCarthy play call all over again, predictable an shallow.

[@lordrayden3045]

Amazing what happens when the tried and true “throw it up and wait for the refs to throw a flag” offense isn’t working

[@joepal843]

Bears O-Line is gettin healthy. We're back BABY!!!! How's Love looking? Fields is looking like he's a first Ballot 😆

[@drinktalkrock7863]

Followed you for years and continuing supporter. That was the most well thought out, objective view of the current Packers situation that I've ever heard. I want to hear YOU on ESPN FOX FS1 or something. Loss hurt tonight but I saw more sparks than I saw in Brady or Aaron's start so I'm still optimistic. Love ya and watch parts of every live in between commercials. Grossi Possie Nation. I'm sure I spelled that wrong 😂😂😂

[@toddkauk6099]

I miss Rodgers, it’s tough to get into these games.

[@julienalexander6113]

Man. Me too smh

[@Destroyerjedi99]

Honestly. this is a big rebuild year for the packers and I feel like they are on the same boat as teams like the panthers and the cardinals and patriots. That being said, the fact that they are doing this well is pretty good. I think love is still good and even though he did not have a good game, I blame that more on the coaches rather than him. I am however mad at veteran players like Jones not being a leader and helping there team improve. the faster they learn to work together (the team and the coaches) the faster they can be competitive again.

[@broizon205]

Yeah, the Packers have no leadership right now, and we desperately need more elite level and veteran coaching staff and players to lead all aspects of the team. Because right now, we don’t got that.

[@mudman619]

Not a Packers fan, but they're not "so bad" - come on, you had to expect this from them - they're the youngest offense in the league, skill-position wise. they're going to have growing pains & there's a learning curve when having so many young players in key positions. I actually think they're doing remarkably well, all things considered. Love is going to make mistakes - all young QBs do (Herbert is a very, very, very rare exception to that rule). The Packers defense is very good, tenacious even. I see them winning around 8 games, maybe 9 if these kids can get things figured out soon. Don't overreact, lol

[@davidfoster2629]

For me the fire LaFleur stuff is both hilarious and insane from Packers fans. This team has very little talent on the offensive side of the ball. The QB is bottom 10 in the league at best right now, the receivers are terrible and the O-line is overrated. If you want to fire him because he hired Joe Barry, OK thats a better reason, but I don't think there are very many coaches, if any, that could make this offense look good right now. People will say Shanahan or McDaniel but their teams are so loaded with weapons right now saying they could do the same with Green Bays roster is delusional.

[@DuncanHall2070]

As a packers fan I agree. People are judging this team like it's an experienced team. When in reality it's extremely young and inexperienced so it's bound to have it's ups and downs, make mistakes, and have growing pains. People can't overreact about this team especially this early in the season

[@damiendixon4479]

I dont see 8 wins, they have a very tough remaining schedule. I see maybe 5 more wins maybe 6 but they are going to have to fix a lot of things in very short order. The biggest problem is not the players but the game plans both offensively and defensively and the only way those things change are with new coaches.

[@Destroyerjedi99]

Also Love is laterally copying Rodgers moves, proving that he has the capability to improve. He just needs to play the game more like himself and not like his predecessor. And it is everyone on the teams responsibility (especially coaches) to help him get there and help the team play around there QB.

[@SauceEpic420]

As a lions fan seeing this title made me smile

[@benweaver3267]

Tom, I am so so sorry. My QBs throughout the first 3 weeks on fantasy were Burrow and Ridder (bc I’m from Ohio, so UC and Bengals)… I traded for Love last week since both of my guys were playing bad. This week, I got rid of Burrow and Ridder and obtained Dobbs and Lamar. They both went on to have their first HORRIBLE games of the season while Burrow and Ridder immediately broke out. I AM A QB CURSE!!

[@benweaver3267]

With that being said, I’ve now traded for Geno a smith to try and curse the Seahawks this week against my Bengals

[@purple_dust07]

The biggest thing an NFL fan could do is admit when your favorite team sucks when they played horrible.

[@GentM2015]

It's unfortunately hard to state just how bad Love has been since Week 3. Like all-time bad.

[@julienalexander6113]

It's the truth.

[@Alran109]

Nah he'd had moments both good and bad. I've seen worse. Zach Wilson is worse. Fields is worse. Everything bad about Love can easily be fixed with a coaching staff that knows what they're doing. Unfortunately the Packers do not have that.

[@microze33]

Coaching is a bigger problem then Jordan love, why are we throwing 30 plus times every single game when he is very green, and we have veteran running bags, it makes no sense. We underutilized Aaron Jones time and time again, we have a clown calling the defense, I just don't know why. Matt lafleur or Joe Berry have jobs

[@daleprice1490]

Genuine sympathy from a Lions fan, even though this put us up two games in the division. I have seen too many Detroit defeats like what happened to the Pack on Monday to gloat too much. Love made a poor decision at the end, but if there's no consistent OL play or running game, the loss really is not as much on him. The coaching staff is going to have to scheme better around those problems, and that's going to be difficult.

[@AmericasQB_KirkCousins]

This should give MN fans a LOT of hope. After the 49ers, we have an incredibly easy stretch, and if the Packers are playing this bad, we could steal one in Lambeau as well. Could be 7-5 just like that. Don't give up hope, Vikings fans!!!

[@stanleywang7367]

@user-hf3pi8ew1g Niners fan here. 1. Just trade down for the 256th pick. 2. Pick a QB. 3. Profit. Cheers. I hope this helps!

[@10thletter40]

Y'all need someone to learn from Cousins, he is solid enough to win and SHOULD be a mentor to someone now. If you wait you will be sorely disappointed

[@darklordphantom4870]

We losing all our games except that bear last game with a shit play caller and dogshit qb.

[@damiendixon4479]

I actually agree with this. losing JJ doesnt help so not buying in 100% but I could actually see it happening. The Vikings have had as bad of luck in one score games this years as they had good luck last year. On the other hand I could also see them being 3-9.

[@jaredreed13]

As a Dolphins fan. you understand what we were going through after Marino retired.

[@xSamyxGoattabeWemby90x]

You got Tua now, some light maybe lol

[@isaiahharris6754]

FINALLY YALL ARENT GOOD. as a bears fan i have zero room to talk but i love that packers fans finally get a chance to feel how ive felt for the past forever

[@tpsam]

Frankly I don't care we both are the only nobility in this division Lions and Vikings can win as much as they want Only our teams are making history in this league

[@christinef7739]

People seem to forget that during McCarthy's years the Packers had a couple losing seasons along with many mediocre seasons. And I was a fan during the '70s and '80s so don't talk to me about how you feel.

[@isaiahharris6754]

@@christinef7739 bruh im 22, all i’ve know. is mediocre my whole life. best i’ve seen was the cutler era so all i’ve known my whole life is disappointment. yall have ran the division my entire time of being on earth. so i think i can say a lil bit about how i feel💀💀

[@isaiahharris6754]

@@tpsam lol very glad we can agree on that