The Penuel Show With Ike Khumalo, Fall of The Berlin Wall | Socialism vs Capitalism | Black Dilemmas

[@konvo_za]

THE PENUEL SHOW WITH IKE KHUMALO 00:00 - INTRO 04:20 - Should we cap the entertainment industry 07:30 - Marriage & cultural practices 12:05 - The issue of renaming places 18:55 - Thoughts on Pro-black leaders 25:40 - What led to the failure of black leaders 29:55 - South Africa’s leadership proxy 33:45 - The collapse of global & national powers 43:00 - Thoughts on ANC & EFF’s nationalisation calls 57:40 - What caused the Germany war 1:01:25 - Splitting SA into political groups 1:13:40 - Political power 1:17:45 - Mandela’s political power & positioning 1:23:00 - Learning to uplift ourselves 1:25:10 - Positive propaganda 1:28:05 - Disadvantages of being pro-black 1:40:00 - Penuel’s relationship regrets 1:48:00 - Ike’s relationship regrets 1:53:45 - Message to 25yr old self 2:00:45 - Thoughts on not living to society’s expectations 2:03:40 - Thoughts on borders & monarchs 2:10:25 - Should kings be scrapped 2:14:10 - Thoughts on borderless Africa 2:31:00 - Closing comments 2:36:19 - ENDS Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu IG: kzndlovu Tt: khwezindlovu

[@nonodlamini]

Njengeliswati, I’m absolutely here for 2:10:45 🫱🏿‍🫲🏾

[@Penuelism]

Thank you Khwezi 🙏🏽❤️

[@lebohangmohapi8605]

Penuel must stop broaching the borderless Africa thing. It makes him look childish.

[@RemmyGold416]

Ty🔒

[@mali-qs5qn]

Hey Penuel, MaximBady made a funny video commenting on your "6 children from 4 mothers"

[@tshepomotshepana7635]

Everyone needs a uncle with a straight forward attitude like bra Ike

[@andileism]

Been a soccer fan for years, after COVID lost all the interest. I have not watched soccer since COVID. I have channeled all that energy towards building my business and career.

[@sibongisenikhumalo8198]

Lately soccer feels like it's striped, they are acting, everything from play to awards feels planned

[@godfreynhlapho4001]

Well done,invest all your energy in your self

[@sbongisenimlawuza4444]

What kind of business?

[@shaungabula2973]

good luck bro🤝🏽

[@MuzorewaRatshikuni]

Well done.You inspire me!

[@asivemaphisa]

I wish the majority of ama 2K can come across this channel because we can literally build a whole new nation 15 years from now just by the knowledge you have in this channel🔥🔥🙇🏽

[@samzikode]

Don''t worry, some of us are here not on tik tok

[@pablocharlie]

Forsure bro just like rutendo right than nonsense speaking, conspiracy theorist dork 🤣

[@Mbakaza_GM]

I began watching The Penuel Show while I wasnin Gr 11 now I'm an engineering student in university and still learning.

[@khumbupromo1848]

Majority are busy following those podcasts that are forever discussing Sex. You talk about building & developing, u will be boring majority.

[@Mbakaza_GM]

@@khumbupromo1848 And then they act all surprised when the other racial groups prosper and take over in the later years and blame Colonialism. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@Nellytheunique]

Ike Khumalo that’s my guy, we speak precisely the same language 👏🏼💜 I get him, literally

[@stemmermashiloane911]

IKE is the most realistic person I've ever known, shout outs to him,

[@d.athegreat3947]

True.

[@RemoTschopp]

Great....😊

[@soara4634]

I didn’t understand all of this episode because (I’m ashamed to say) I only speak Afrikaans and English, but based in this conversation I want to offer an answer to a question you asked that guy from Afriforum about Afrikaner culture. One of the apartheid government’s most heinous crimes was forcing the black population to break the family nucleus in order to put food on the table because the men had to travel to the city to find work. Compounded over generations this created a norm of fragmented families. This might be what is responsible for the mindset difference you asked about, I think you asked if there is some kind of school that Afrikaner kids go to outside of regular school where they are taught to be independent of the government. I think this may be the explanation. Most Afrikaner families, at least up until recently, have been staunchly Christian and very committed to the family nucleus. There is a lot of wisdom that is transferred between generations if the family spends at least the formative years of the kids together. Nowadays we have more blended families with divorced parents remarrying, but the norm is still to gravitate towards the family nucleus even if it is not entirely biological. When I got married my mother-in-law sat me down and told me “My girl, don’t forget love is an act of will. You have to choose to love him and choose it again and again every day because that is how you keep your family together.” This is the basis of most Afrikaner families and perhaps this helps explain a few things.

[@melz7038]

Don't forget. Afrikanerdom / Boers etc was a Bavarian Illuminati/ Rothschild EXPERIMENT. The end result is & always was the total destruction of SA. Afrikaner /Apartheid started same time as the Great War...... Research what I'm saying. WE ARE ALL BEING PLAYED......

[@msibiwagasa]

Well said @soara4634 Family is the foundation of everything, that's the down fall of many "Africans"..

[@samuelhaas6742]

yed

[@martinmasilo3999]

"Staunch Christian" is it Christian to hate other people just because they are Human and thry happen to be Black? Where is the love agape? I am Christian and Black and I just wonder if Afrikaners really understand the Bible. Yes the nuclear family thing I admire about Afrikaners but to be Christian you have to love and know that we can't put images of a "white Jesus" and think beyond race.

[@soara4634]

@@martinmasilo3999 Be careful of that judgement. “Staunch Christians” have been responsible for many atrocities in history, this one isn’t even the worst of them. Personally I am not a Christian. I find them too narrow minded, dogmatic and vulnerable to propaganda. If you think the Afrikaner population itself was each in control of their own free-thinking faculties and they all at once collectively decided to be racist, you don’t understand human psychology, you don’t understand politics, and you don’t understand the power of propaganda in the hands a few crooked men. By that I am not saying the result was not a a nation of racists, I am saying they were manipulated as much as any other group within these borders. Just like the EFF and MK are manipulating people right now by perpetuating hatred and racial politics. Did you know the public school history syllabus for primary school kids aged nine included gruesome depictions of Zulu warriors smashing the heads of Afrikaner babies against ossewa wheels? And gutting pregnant women? Who teaches nine year olds this kak unless you are trying to breed hatred? I was in such a class. I saw the pictures on the tri-projector transparencies - this was before fancy TV’s. I saw the constant emphasis on and downright lies about the violence and barbarism of “die swartes”. Do you think that was an accurate age appropriate history lesson or might it have been a cog in the propaganda machine? Might someone have been deliberately trying to create hate from a very young age? And that shit sticks man. It took me decades to rid myself of the indoctrination and I am not even fully done yet, I STILL catch myself reverting to old thinking because it was done so early it sits in the very base programming of your brain. But I AM trying. I catch myself out and immediately counter the thought with truth. And many other Afrikaners are trying equally hard, it is just so fucking deep dude. We’ve been fed this kak from the time we can talk for generations. It will take time to get rid of all of it, just like it will take time for you to forgive. I bear you no ill will. I acknowledge the injustices of the past. May you receive fair restitution and may we build together.

[@Zy-gote]

Mr IKE has to come twice atleast every 3 months. He is actually funny, the humour is dope.. can't watch a 2 hour interview that is serious. Likewise, shoutout to Black Pen for holding it down.

[@llinksenterprise4877]

As always, thee incredible Icke never disappoints. ❤🙏

[@babyboom6825]

He knows his story. He speaks about things he knows and which he has had first hand experience in. These are the men who do not shy away from the truth and give proper critiques on social and economic issues. He has a different view in any discourse and he's not scared to engage

[@markwinter7511]

The problem with renaming things in South Africa is that its often done simply to deflect attention from other catastrophic failures.

[@kevinshongwe9631]

Ike looks like Mr T today. Much respect to this grootman. One of the most outstanding leaders we have in the country. @Penuel, we need a master class program for economic business development and leadership with bra Ike, Rutendo, Babu Maponga, DJ Sbu, Vusi Thembekwayo, My Sol, Andile Mnxitama and others like them. As the youth of SA, I think we need this.

[@jaunalonzo5866]

Its such a Pleasure to listen to IKE!!! STRAIGHT TALKER!!

[@NikolaasGrootboom]

This is the most authentic conversation on ideology ever.. Refreshing

[@godfarmersofthought]

You are typing my mind ...

[@lesleyngcobo1353]

Ike, I am impressed by your wealth of knowledge which undoubtedly shows that you do research extensively. Some of the unsung heroes did whatever they could at best under the circumstances. I remember my learnership certificate of lower grades back in 1964, my subjects were Afrikaans, English, Zulu, Arithmetics, Biblical studies and Agriculture. It was designed such that I could communicate with my masters, arithmetic to count change when I am sent to the shops to buy, biblical studies to down my perceived barbaric tendencies and agriculture so that I could feed my family back home. I hope you may be invited again to address us on "'economic disruption'' currently plagues the country.

[@harduspretorius4961]

What a fantastic conversation! Lots of respect for Judge Ike!

[@asivemaphisa]

The last part of this conversation Mr Ike had me in tears🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@NkosinathiMasango012]

Bra Ike 😂👏, yiwo ama grootman that we always look forward to listen to.

[@EyanniiYannah]

But he is stupid

[@paballomothai6974]

Its always nice to see brother Ike.

[@EyanniiYannah]

Mxm he is just there and mumbling for 2hrs and saying nothing substantial,the guy is a whitemen glorifier too

[@Lungsta_da_lgm]

The Charmstigator 💪💯❤ Advocate Ike Khumalo.

[@bonginkosimunyai1153]

You will learn history from IKe khumalo.. Grootman has valuable knowledge

[@nokuthulamtsweni2902]

Ike is so wise guys, I'm learning a lot on this podcast...Thank You Penuel And your team❤

[@elvismolefimolf]

Ike's mind is dope - Pen holds the conversation down. Cheers

[@Zy-gote]

"If a musician stops singing, nobody dies."😅 - Ike Khumalo

[@BOZACKSKY]

It's not factual...no money earned in Sport means less money owned....no money to address health issues ...death.

[@Nkifour4]

Intelligence is not something you buy, you are born with it. Ike is one of the natural intellectuals. His train of thought is impressive.

[@vuyodominic1116]

One thing I like about bra Ike its his political-incorrectness. He doesn't buy face or love. He states the truth concealed in the society and substantiates it with his own research and study then it'll be up to you to believe or ridicule his argument.💯🙌🙏

[@mathmadeeasybytebogokumalo4201]

Adv Ike is back You just know this interview is gonna be lit🔥🔥Danki Panuel

[@69canvas86]

You shouldn't stop this man from speaking has mind that's why we love him so much and it's the biggest reason why I left the traditional broadcasting for podcasts. When is he coming back? And next time you shouldn't stop him when he's talking about real life issues.

[@SizweNgwenya-x6j]

He keeps talking over him and disturbing his train of thought.

[@CJ6536-t3x]

Your depth of knowledge is truly impressive! It's always enlightening to hear your insights and learn from your expertise. Keep shining!

[@mpilompanza9101]

Yazi you cut the Advocate off when he was starting to say some interesting things.😂😂😂 Great interview by the way.🙏🏽 At least now we know he represents NPO for free so we'll try to keep in contact with him

[@nkosanantuli]

It's always amazing to listen to Mbulazi 🙌🏾👏🏾pen ✍️🏾my brother. Please bring ubaba Ndabe Myeza to your show 🙏🏾

[@morakaevans6905]

Ike i thought you are Mr T. I’m always listening you from start to finish you are clear with everything you say 💯

[@dura5722]

IKE chose to look like Zangif today😭😭😭

[@DroMbali]

😂😂😂

[@TRIODUCKTO]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@tshenolomolokwane]

Mr. T😂😂😂

[@Lindaumusa]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣yho street fighter

[@sibusisongcobo7483]

Aksona isphomoliya lesi?😂😂😂

[@Thatotherguy803]

Powerful episode, thank you The Black Pen✊🏽

[@mamolewamodiba9159]

Why can’t we build our own? I also use old street names because the new ones are covered in darkness of corruption. Ike you’re real and South Africa 🇿🇦 loves that about you. We need a change of mindset and do better. Changing street names or building names doesn’t ADD value to the betterment of our lives. Change of mindset 👊🏾

[@sibusisoblessing6993]

We need more of Ike bro 🙏🏾

[@candicewebster6141]

Stumbled on this interview and it was so interesting and insightful. What a lovely man.

[@Penuelism]

Happy Monday, Family 🙏🏽❤️ Hope you're keeping warm during this Winter. Thank you for your constant support for the work we do. Please keep giving us suggestions of guests and topics you'd like us to cover. We currently film a few weeks or months in advance.

[@Mr.ExtrodinUniverse]

Please get Bonang Mohale, Mike Teke and Maurice Radebe on the show

[@ChippaForReal]

Please talk bring more guests to talk about Entrepreneurship. It is clear that Job security is a thing of the past, and clearly having a tertiary qualification is not enough.

[@nhlakaniphotshabalala1012]

Saubona bhuti... Please bring someone from the hospitality industry to unpack hospitality and it's dynamics as a whole!

[@lukhanyoMatabata]

Can you please invite Ngeb's

[@lekis5975]

Bring Dr Mamphela Ramphele.

[@Simphiwe050]

Siyabonga once again Mr God Penuel ❤️🙌 we will keep applying and we will get better there is no destination but only the next Location 🙌🙌

[@tshedzamanoto]

Ike Khumalo is always speaking truths and knowledge. I respect these men so much, dankie Grootman and Penuel for always sharing words of wisdom

[@joshuaphilander2222]

Ike is a true voice of reason.

[@sizweshezi1991]

Bra Ike is a national treasure

[@zamachap454]

A large portion of what we as South Africans are going through or experiencing (Good or Bad) is because of us and our decisions. I respect it when we self reflect and hopefully we can move forward based on our knowledge.

[@KhalangaDux]

The truth in this 😢.

[@jackholman5008]

It's not south africa is a small country in a huge world ,most decisions are not up to us because we do not even exist because of ourselves

[@SimonAtVolkswagen]

This was one of the best Player to player convo, lol I loved the interruptions between the two went on lol it’s like how two old friends would speak to each other

[@thanduxolozondi7775]

I love the fact that you understood the probing interruptions.

[@princengobe7988]

i like this guys the way they having this conversation...

[@manqobamazibuko167]

De best guest 4 de year!!!

[@sibusisongcobo2078]

Great conversation Ma Grootman. Thank you Penuel and Mr Ike

[@VusumuziCiliza-fi2ok]

Ike can open your eyes straight he can make you google everything then you'll find that thing as it is 🔥❤️🤞🏽

[@Sbo-09]

The father figure part you mentioned bro Ike... is 💯spot ON. The element of a commanding voice by a real man to a young man (preferably at his teenage years till his 20s) makes a huge difference. Straight up! ✌🏽

[@flitslig]

Thank you Mr Ike, you cut both ways,truthfully.

[@jxlireefer3806]

PLEASE EVERY 7 MONTHS IKE SHOULD COME

[@picpoo1801]

Honestly Ike is a realist, and he doesn't boats about his wisdom. I think he should form some sort of organization of leadership.

[@Mrtdogg101]

Pen I love your brotherhood with IKE and the numbers show that many of us relate with yall's konvos...keep it up

[@sanelesibeko4520]

Bra Ike is always a breath of fresh air and very funny. Great show 😂

[@slowsloth8550]

Love Advocate Ike's conversations everytime, thee type of chats between brothers should continue.

[@mphololeboea5823]

What a great show. ❤

[@Leeroy4224]

This guy has so much knowledge, it's really inspirational to watch.

[@hardrockenterprise2]

Penuel is growing the right direction. Ike is a genius in his own kind. The 2 can build something constructive to our society.

[@easehub547]

I agree with Ike on Arabs. This thing is still continuing

[@thepodcastcafeonline]

Very intellictually stimulating...Big Ups Penuel

[@vuyodolomba5269]

"Who's pap between me and you?"...that went from zero to 100 in a sec and quickly settled down. That was a smart moment from Penuel to avoid shadow from looming dawn. 🙂

[@NestaVision2007]

I'm one of your (likely) many North American followers. It would help us if you would write up brief bios as we will get a better understanding of who we are listening to and who their backgrounds...and I know it would add work to you but subtitles for the things you guys say outside of English would help in understanding your full conversation...

[@selekwejohannespule4042]

IKE REFRESH MY MIND ❤❤❤

[@olefiledanielramoitheki5323]

Bra Ike is funny as hell and knowledgeable at the same time. Pen please don’t revoke his membership card. 😂😂

[@Lee_BuU]

This man understands politics

[@thabomasangana6294]

Penuel your argument shows that we still lack an understanding of the concept of Security and use emotions to interrogate situations.

[@nevillemontgomery7318]

Hi Team , We as a country must educate at school level about both sides of the history of South Africa . Educate in the constitution and the responsibilities of being a citizen. Teach people about all the isms that divide us , Communism, Socialism, Capitalism, Maxism and the real history behind Soviet Russia, China, Cuba etc

[@sophisticatedimmigrant3912]

Just a friendly suggestion Penuel, try and let the guest finish his thoughts without you interjecting all the time. Also try spend less time on the phone bru and give the guest the attention. You don’t have to google each and every single thing mentioned. Ayi kabi!

[@siyabulelasono5357]

@@sophisticatedimmigrant3912 ayy this guy is annoying maan 🙄

[@aus__walhall1225]

Ike is the Goat 🫡👍🏻

[@mlungisimilton]

Exe Pen sbari, I really appreciate and grateful for your show. I believe now the next step is to link up your audience with any willing guests for mentorship and such because now there's a glimpse of understand of the terrain we are in and as they indlela ibuzwa kwaba phambili .

[@thatomsiza2597]

Legend is back

[@sanelemphazima8250]

Always eye opening

[@t.p6837]

Pen I think a 4-5 hour conversation with Ike is possible. You have mentioned that you want to record for longer, this was an opportunity.

[@sipha01]

Great discussion guys . IKe has a great sense of humour .

[@sonwabo2011]

It's always greate to listen Ike. Great interview.

[@mhlanganyelwamahlangu3733]

i don't like what the guest is saying but is the truth teller i am developing love to him cause analysis yakhe is real. Isaac big up mfowethu. Your real.

[@mthokozisimyende787]

Ike was spitting towards the end of this chat, Ike uyathela!!!!!!

[@siyasto]

I wonder if the colonial border issues are being discussed in other parts of Africa. Ngathi these things are being discussed in SA, the youngest democracy on the continent

[@NNZ5092]

we need to get a guest that discuss the current job market especially for new graduates with no experience , no own transport , just the paper and the willing to work

[@duPreezLouis]

I agree with what Ike says... Policies from ANC, EFF, DA, or MK are basically the same. The reason why I don't vote for any of them

[@phihlellotheone8979]

How is mk the same as those other 3 parties

[@sbhivasbhivile8059]

Great show, always appreciate uCharmstigater

[@jancovanderwesthuizen8070]

He’s spot on about Israel and Palestine, Arabs have treated black people horribly and still do, not to mention how they treat women and gays

[@Shwiroyacho]

​​The power of a Father Figure is so under rated. Ike is saying after 35 years you should not read motivatinal books anymore . Uthi sowugugile and your time is done.

[@ayandazulu8014]

Make things happen you should be self motivated

[@thatomakofane1972]

Please upload on Spotify and Apple Podcasts 🙏🏽

[@simonmakhubela4258]

Very enlightening. I love Ike

[@ashwyllobermeyer6370]

Love the interview with Mr Ike... love the Mohawk as well.. 3/4 life crisis😂

[@TT1972-b4r]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@babs12-cx6du]

Peneal. Let your guests explain themselves. Smart people explain in waves, so do not interrupt them on their first wave. I hope you understand 😂. Great show

[@leimelabusi1456]

THANKS SO MUCH

[@njabuloradebe1361]

Penuel you turning into Dj Sbu, interrupting, researching, asking questions while he explains

[@percymaseko455]

Enjoyed the interview but Penuel give your guest enough time to answer your questions.

[@sihletshabalala9292]

Really enjoyed this sit-down, keep up the good work

[@vee.za1]

I loved this podcast ❤😅

[@soara4634]

Sorry I also wanted to say thanks for this episode and for this show. I gained a new perspective on a bunch of things and I wish all South Africans could become regular viewers 🌸

[@Turb223]

When I think patriotism I think ike khumalo

[@malusingongoma2830]

I Love conversations between Ike and Penuel, you always learn something.

[@tsebanglegodi1660]

Always enjoy listening bra Ike. Taa!

[@gorereel.r2780]

Dankie ma grootmane 👍

[@Lungani123]

Pen you didn't give Ike the freedom of speaking about the things he wanted to speak about.

[@kealanerasmus6055]

Whenever I see this guy, I'm reminded that it's tax season, 😂😭

[@thulitukisi1711]

😂🎉

[@BLUENAUGHTYBOY]

What do you mean?

[@yummyNice]

Powerful Interview!!!