The Perfect General Purpose Rifle Does Exist

[@AisforAmerica]

I run a ADM IC Mod 2 and it weights about 8 lbs. in the army I run a 9lbs rifle. 9lbs isn’t heavy. I have deployed with it and ran all night. Shooting from the kneeling isn’t hard to do if you know how to do it. We don’t run any lpvos anymore just not as tough as we need them to be. Back up irons on everything. Good stuff just gotta go with what you got.

[@TridentConcepts]

True that, dance with who you brought for sure. I agree, but not enough to know, but to do. I can see the abuse being an issue and we said the same thing about red dots back in the day so there's that 😉

[@whatsmolly5741]

Do you think an acog is tough enough? Hard to believe the army is going to drop $10,700 on the new xm7 scope but they can't get an lpvo that can take some abuse. How tough are you needing it to be?

[@TridentConcepts]

@@whatsmolly5741 In my experience the ACOG is darn tough. The problem is their variable powered line leaves much to be desired. To be fair, they are asking a hell of a lot of these new optics. You will see more and more demand from manufacturers now that we've cracked the code in some areas. Back to the ACOG, my biggest problem with it was close range immediate threats. There are better options and that was why they started looking. Hope that helps.

[@whatsmolly5741]

@TridentConcepts If i have to choose between a x4 acog or an lpvo on x1 when engaging a close range threat, i will certainly take the acog and my peripheral vision over the x1 lpvo and no peripheral vision.

[@TridentConcepts]

@@whatsmolly5741 I’m not sure I’m tracking your logic there. Because at 1x my FOV is basically what’s in front of me. Whereas with a magnified optic of any type you’ll have issues with the FOV and your vision?

[@justinmoore4088]

@Trident Concepts, LLC I had the same issue with a loose sling hanging up. If you run it behind your stock, loop it around your grip then use the slider to pull taunt it'll keep from snagging. This way the rifle is ready to deploy with a tug on your slider.

[@TridentConcepts]

Thanks, it's kind of tight in the safe these days. Plus, rifles in the safe are not for immediate deployment ;-)

[@justinmoore4088]

@@TridentConcepts LOL...my safe has more room than I have $$$$. Have a great day!

[@TridentConcepts]

@@justinmoore4088 Haha, I get it and no worries.

[@deusvult6632]

I run a phase plasma rifle in 40 gigawatt range. Works all the time everytime!

[@tarheelrealist8935]

C'mon buddy, only what you see here...

[@TridentConcepts]

I cannot love this post enough...

[@TridentConcepts]

@@tarheelrealist8935 Boom...beat me to it😂

[@whisper8742]

Most of us are still trying to rock an Uzi 9 milluhmetuh...

[@deusvult6632]

@@whisper8742 It's not the volts that'll get ya, it's the amps.

[@22leggedsasquatch]

Very well expressed, clear and to the point without attempting to drag the video on. I have gone with the new AUG M2 (16½") with the new Elcan Spectre 1-4x. Gives 4 shot groups at 50m into 1cm². I went for the highly durable, no need for spare parts approach.. and works in Alpine weather. Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹 😊

[@TridentConcepts]

Right on! When the Elcan came on the scene it was revolutionary. They've come a long way and still a great option. Good luck...

[@robertgoodrich8953]

POF Rogue: 5.9 lbs, 16 inch barrel, 1.5 MOA, 3x20 Scope, with Holosun 507c gr at 45 degrees, and, of course, .308. It doesn't make a bit of difference what everyone else is doing. .308 is available when "everyone else" is buying up the 5.56. Been through two ammo shortages. It takes 3-5 hits with 5.56 to do what .308 will do, so you have to buy at least 3x as much ammo, and carry 3x as many mags. Mine has the Dictator adjustable gas block. That means it shoots anything, suppressed or loud. Stainless barrel. So, excellent for CQB, 300 and in, out to about 700 yards with that scope. Your 5.56 is good for small women or men, who can't handle even the minimal recoil of a semiauto .308. Short barreled AR's are not as good in the damage they do as a 10 mm pistol with good ammo. So why go to all this trouble and expense to be outgunned by a pistol?

[@TridentConcepts]

Cool story bro... Your reality is hardly national. I watched the shelves empty daily of all brands and calibers. the entire region went through the same issues. The truth was after the initial purge the only ammo coming in the doors was the most popular; 9mm & 5.56mm. I spoke with manufactures regularly during the whole mess and each one them said the same thing, they wouldn't even consider tooling up other calibers until demand was meet. I've had only 2 shooters come through our Advanced Rifle course; which is out to 300m normally and further depending on the class. That is over a dozen years, not because it's not popular but because it's heavier than the other rifles. the abuse to properly train is well documented. In these classes you are firing 1k rounds where only 40% are fired from prone where weight is less of an issue. The remaining 60% is kneeling or freestyle. Guys could not keep up with other students when it came to hitting targets. Even the less skilled riflemen did better because they could get on target quicker and manage recoil better. Weight is directly proportionate to performance. That rifle with a 20 round magazine will be spicy. Plus, no one I know who's fired shots in anger with rifles relies on a single shot. It's multiple shots regardless of the caliber. Even my long gunners are hitting with multiple rounds because all bets are off in combat and their responsibility to the mission is the priority. If you want to argue about performance on paper, that's great. Theory sounds cool until it's put into practice.

[@Maine307]

i stuck with what i felt best trained and confortable with. seemed natural after spending 20 yrs in the Marines as an 03, to go with a LaRue 556 20 in.. everything about it made sense for me to use. it works. and for all the same reason u did.. of course it is a bit heavy.. but i have good day night feel to it and know where all my hands and placment are.. muscle memory kind of thing. i am really really diggin that lpvo.. i might have to take another look at it. i been on thier web page doing some reading.

[@TridentConcepts]

Nothing wrong with LaRue other than being heavy. The NX8 is hands down the best for the GP mission. Good luck

[@InGratitudeIam]

Good advice. Thanks!

[@denbo74]

I have a build very similar to this. Colt 6920 that I swapped the barrel for a P&W 13.9 Criterion Core. I have a relatively lightweight Steiner 1-4 and a Geissele 13” MK16 rail. WITH a sling it’s 9.5 pounds. The weight of that DD rail offsets the weight of my barrel a bit. I think it’s pretty hard to get a LPVO equipped 16” rifle under 9lbs

[@TridentConcepts]

Umm, I did it in this video😎 And I did it with a 1x8. That's still a nice setup thought and negative on the sling at weigh-in. Since the sling is mostly dropped over the body it had less effect. Hope that helps.

[@dennissteininger5227]

I would change to the new primary arms plx scope mount with a foward mounted red dot at 12 o'clock, almost no extra weight. I went with a holosun 507c x2. This way if both optic's batteries go down you still can use both primary and secondary.

[@TridentConcepts]

Running a BUIS at 12:00 sucks. The mechanical offset is a pain to deal with and while to be used in an in-extremis setting the offset is a better option. In our LPVO class we haven't seen that model yet so I will wait until we see them more of them on the firing line. Right now, the most popular brands we see in classes are Vortex, Sig & Nightforce.

[@willl4219]

Good video. I like too many accessories to be that light😂 Im a vcog and dbal d2 kinda guy. If its too heavy hit the weights gents!

[@TridentConcepts]

At least you're honest🫡

[@definitelynotthea.t.f.8813]

I love the Super Tricon and have three. Great trigger.

[@TridentConcepts]

Wow, so cool. They make it easy in some cases😂

[@GeisseleAutomatics]

Thank you for your support, but we couldn't have done it without Jeff! We are extremely proud of the Super T and thankful to have Jeff be the core of this trigger design.

[@TridentConcepts]

@@GeisseleAutomatics Thanks guys, really means a lot to me.

[@theprepperrevelator]

Trident, I remember back in the day when you repped for LWRC. I still have one but my main go to is Geissele SuperDuty 11.5 with a Kahles 1-6 . I completely get your desire to stick to 16 inch overall guns due to travel but that’s not an issue for me. Enjoyed the content thanks, TPR

[@TridentConcepts]

@@theprepperrevelator man, I love that set up. If I had my druthers I’d be running a 10.5bbl all day long.

[@Fudmottin]

I used a very similar principle. Details are different, but I'm under 9lbs and I have a thing I can take off. I'm not a fan of the collapsible stocks, so I used a KP-15 lower. Also NFA issues had me go with a 16" barrel. Magpull makes a good enough weapons light that is mounted right on the top at the front end of the rail. I'm using a PA GLX 2X Prism with ACSS reticule. It's a bit heavier than I would like, but I'm not willing to spend money upgrading. It's very forgiving of where I place my eye.

[@kevspss]

I pretty much run mine the same. I run a Norgon button, left handed. I like it out of all the other ambi buttons because it can’t accidentally drop a mag.

[@TridentConcepts]

Right on and good to know.

[@pimpster122]

Thoughts on a laser for active aiming, or a piggy-backed/offset dot sight? Seems like the best solutions to lpvo’s limiting SA.

[@donculver8671]

Great video & well-reasoned. I found in my area during the pandemic 5.56 was not on the shelves but .308 & 7.62 was. I agree I can buy more 5.56 than .308 however my 16" SFAR is 8lbs with another 16oz for optic (Primary Arms 1x6 gen 3 SLX LPVO) and other than the mag size has similar AR15 components. Happy shooting!

[@TridentConcepts]

@@donculver8671 nice, I heard certain areas were hit harder than others. Good plan.

[@charleskitterman7114]

Nice gun, unforchantly I could afford $4600 - $5000 settup. So I did a low budget ($570) PSA AR15 with16" nitride 4150V CMVS barrle, Fathers of Freeedom BCG Bolt and Magpul MBUS sights. I add the following ($1020) in Upgrades - Results is a beautiful 8.2 pound Nail Driver that has shot over a thousand rounds of anything I feed it without any problems what so ever at a total cost under $1600 before taxes. • Holosun HS510C Reflex Sight - Red Dot • Holosun M3X Magnifier • STRIKE INDUSTRIES - 223/5.56 KING COMP Muzzle Brake 1/2-28 • STRIKE INDUSTRIES - OPPRESSOR • Geissele- Maritime- Bolt- Catch- 08-153 • PSA Match Grade 3.5 Lb. Trigger • Damage Industries Carbine Lenth Enhanced Chrome Silicon Recoil Buffer Spring • Spikes T1 (3oz) and T2 (4oz) solid aluminum billet Buffer (filled with "Low Density Tungsten Powder) • Magpul CRT Carbine Stock, Black • Magpul K2+ AR15/M4 Grip • Magpul MS4 Adjustable Sling • Magpul M-LOK QD Sling Mount • Magpul Enhanced Rubber Butt-Pad, 0.70” • Magpul M-LOK Rail Cover • Magpul M-LOK Hand Stop Kit • Radian Talon 45/90 Ambidextrous Safety Selector • Radian Raptor Ambidextrous Charging Handle • Battle Arms Development Enhanced Pins Set • We the People United States Flag - AR15 Ejection Port Dust Cover

[@TridentConcepts]

True, the LPVO is pricey so I get that. Good on you for maximizing your logistics. If it's working for you, what more could you want. Keep it up...

[@stayvigilant7856]

I run Del Ton 316L 6lbs as well .556 great budget rifle

[@jimmywilson3260]

I run a 16' Tavor X95 with a Primary Arms 3X Prism

[@mtnbound2764]

i go back and forth all the time between my 3x and 1x micro prisms. they are both excellent in different roles.

[@jimmywilson3260]

@mtnbound2764 I like 3X. Have taken 3 classes(full of Red dots & AR15 14'5) running my X95 with a PA 3X Prism. Did fine.

[@mtnbound2764]

@@jimmywilson3260 good to know , thx!

[@v.german11b]

Wisdom from experience is obvious.

[@TridentConcepts]

@@v.german11b indeed

[@SpicySnafu]

I didnt know uncle jeff was still making videos, what a dude :)

[@TridentConcepts]

Haha, yep!!!

[@tmgjurassic3738]

I agree with almost everything that you said, great video. If you have not had a chance to look at them, the Primary Arms PLX 1-8 is a better LPVO then the NF you picked and it is less expensive.

[@TridentConcepts]

Thanks for the tip, second one on that model. Like I said, I just haven't seen them in our classes. But, I prefer a FFP and to be honest their reticle has a lot to be desired. The NF DMX reticle is far superior. But, it is good to see another option.

[@revolutionanarchy713]

Fact!

[@DutchK75]

You have to understand that most of these guys from teams or SOF are going to chase 1X first. And the NX8 has a better dot performance compared to the Plx-c at 1X. I like the PLx-c in the Griffen mil flavor. I like it better than the NX8. Especially where field of view is concerned. I'm a 0311/8541 by trade. Running black reticles doesn't bother me. And the Plx-c at 1X is descent. But it's not as fast as the NX8 at 1X. Both have shit eyebox's at 8X. But that's the trade off. This is why the Vortex Razor hd 1-6 is still King for a lot of people. 1X and 6X is pretty spectacular. Especially for 300 and in.

[@solomonkane223]

I have very similar ideas, but am not so weight conscious. I use a Sig 516 upper.

[@TridentConcepts]

@@solomonkane223 right on!

[@mtnbound2764]

Nice set up and very similar to mine / my theory on it. 14.5" p/w hanson profile. aero upper&lower. the thing i keep going back and forth on is optics. I love a RDS or 1x micro prism, but cant deny the capability of a LPVO, the LPVO just ruins the lightweight/ handy feel that i love so much from the 14.5"

[@TridentConcepts]

@@mtnbound2764 man, I was on the struggle bus big time. Once I found something I truly believed was day time red dot capable it made it a lot easier.

[@claponclapoff6]

A 16-inch Barrel. Have you looked at the mission first tactical Minimalist stock? Very lightweight

[@TridentConcepts]

I have not, but we've seen a couple in our classes. I'm not crazy about the open ended design. Students had snag related problems that the traditional stocks seem to be excluded from.

[@raymondtorres7684]

Ala nutnfancy. Salute. Weight is key.

[@tomforeman4976]

Sorry I do all that with all my guns and have little target up to 338 LM.

[@TridentConcepts]

Not sure why you're sorry?

[@mccartneyk07]

Do you have much data on the SLW DD barrel with a suppressor on it? Always wondered about pencils type profile barrel accuracy as they warm up and with a suppressor hanging off the end.

[@TridentConcepts]

What type of data are you looking for in specific and I'll do my best.

[@jameskiser7791]

@@TridentConceptsI’m curious as well. Does it make the groups open up faster than non suppressed?

[@jameskiser7791]

Also I bet the POI change is more since the barrel isn’t as rigid. Can you test that too?

[@TridentConcepts]

It sounds like the question centers around longevity. The best way I can answer that is I use the first grouping as the baseline. When the groups expand beyond 20% of that group my barrel is shot out. Around 10% is see groups opening up, but still well within the 4MOA requirement. While I want a tighter group of course, but it is well within acceptability. Barrel life has a lot of variables, shooting suppressed is just one of them. My service life for most barrels in this class is around 15-20k, but I'm shooting a lot more than the average Joe so chances are you would not see a depreciable difference. And what I mean by that is by the time you start to see anything, you would probably have already moved on to the next new hotness.

[@mccartneyk07]

@@TridentConcepts​​⁠sorry, no I meant accuracy. Pencil barrels are said to lose accuracy when they get hot more than a beefier profile. I’ve also heard you add weight to the end of a pencil barrel (like a suppressor) and it gets even worse. Wondering if you’ve noticed decent accuracy with that rifle and a suppressor attached?

[@Adam-su2jj]

I love my Super Tricon trigger

[@TridentConcepts]

Love it...thanks for dropping by.

[@bradsmalt3852]

What height scope mount are you running? 1.5, 1.7 or 1.93? Thanks

[@TridentConcepts]

LaRue SPR-1.5

[@bradsmalt3852]

@@TridentConcepts thanks

[@rjlane3475]

have you considered running an RC2 mini ?

[@TridentConcepts]

For sure, but the RC3 is vastly superior, just bigger. the good news is there will be an RC3 Mini at some point.

[@xusmico187]

NF, SF been using for decades and they always keep up...

[@TridentConcepts]

@@xusmico187 100%

[@rizzo4206]

Thank you for posting this video. Well thought out and presented. You certainly have changed your opinion on weight as the years have passed. If I remember correctly, you let me carry an 18.5 pound rifle...!!!😂😂😂 Rizzo

[@TridentConcepts]

Well, the pig did look better on your than me, so there's that😂

[@SnapD24]

Wtf did you show up with? A PRS rifle?

[@TridentConcepts]

@@SnapD24 No, it was a belt feed😂

[@J.Young808]

What is the pull weight of you collab Super Ttrigger? I have a Giessele SSA-E that I am going to see if I can trade for the SSA with my local gun shop. For a fighting/GPR rifle light triggers aren’t the best so I have seen some instructors say.

[@TridentConcepts]

It's about 4.5lbs., the same as the SSA and other models. The real issue with light triggers is reliability. The Geissele brand is about as bomb proof as they come.

[@denbo74]

Nice thing about Geissele is you can buy the spring kits for the SSA and put them on an SSA-E. I love the SSA-E triggers but the 3.5# weight makes me nervous on a SD rifle. Now I have a SSA-E with a 4.5# trigger and a clean break.

[@NebulousCat]

You didn't say how much your rifle weighs, I am assuming 8 pounds and 9 lbs with a full magazine.

[@TridentConcepts]

You know, I didn't. I did an earlier video where I did, but forgot in the one we published. That rifle weights 7.95 unsurpressed and 8.90 suppressed. Hope that helps.

[@DaveL9170]

GP cartridge is 6.8 SPC II

[@TridentConcepts]

@@DaveL9170 man, I love what you’re saying. Availability and cost keep it a strong secondary candidate. I keep checking cost hoping to see better options. Alas no joy😢

[@DaveL9170]

@@TridentConcepts here’s reality sir: You are likely to NEVER use that weapon in self defense or any other kind of act against a fellow human being. You’re FAR FAR FAR more likely to use against a varmint or for hunting. In both cases you’ll want a cartridge with more backbone than a 5.56. Just my thoughts. And you can buy a separate upper just for hunting!!!!

[@TridentConcepts]

@@DaveL9170 oh I have plenty of configurations. That’s not the issue. It’s my primary hunting cartridge for bush work. But, without a steady supply of ammo it makes it hard to justify. I used it one year for all my rifle classes and the cost put it outside viability. I really wish the round would’ve gained more popularity to help lower the costs.

[@TridentConcepts]

@@DaveL9170 one more comment, reality is being altered from 5 years ago.

[@longbeardsilver5561]

Key mod?

[@TridentConcepts]

Not a big fan. The M-lok is superior.

[@NebulousCat]

My GP rifle is a home built 16" with a Ballistic Advantage Hanson profile barrel. Timmney gold trigger, Holosun red dot, Streamlight and 10" forearm. Naked it is less than 6lbs and with a full magazine and ready to fight it is 7.5 lbs.

[@nenadg3665]

9 pounds without the mag, i presume?

[@TridentConcepts]

That is correct, just the rifle.

[@EssentialE13]

Unfortunately the worst possible muzzle device for the RC3

[@TridentConcepts]

The SF WarComp? In what way specifically?

[@EssentialE13]

@@TridentConcepts the worst gas seal due to ports in place of labyrinth seals. Closed tine device changes flow dynamics inside the RC3 causing increased flash signature.

[@TridentConcepts]

@@EssentialE13 gotcha, I thought you were going somewhere else. Thx

[@EssentialE13]

@@TridentConcepts I’ve found the RC3 performed best with the 4 prong. Tested on 10.3, 11.5, 14.5, 16 & 18. Using brake 3P, 4P, Brake and CTFH.

[@TridentConcepts]

@@EssentialE13 When you preformed best, what criterion are you using to define best?