The Picture That Caught A Killer - The Story of Edwin Bush and the Identikit System

Edwin Bush was the first person in the UK to be captured using the Identikit system, a pivotal moment in forensic history.
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[@LeeBv9983]

In about 1969 I was a U.S. federal agent and was trained in the Identi-Kit. As I recall, we were told that it was not an identification tool but an exclusion tool.

[@vinny142]

I'm guessing they were talking about how to select the various images for the composition, because you don't exclude people from an investigation based on what they look like.

[@interstellarsurfer]

@@vinny142 I'm guessing you're wrong - and he said precisely what he meant to say. Of course, policing was different back then, too. These days any warm body will do for a criminal conviction.

[@racheljohnstone9574]

That's a good way to explain them

[@angelmessenger8240]

Semantics really. The outcome is the same.

[@resnonverba137]

@@angelmessenger8240 Spot on.

[@kathyastrom1315]

The killing in a shop prompted me to revisit one of the biggest memories I have of one summer in the early 1980s. I grew up in Joliet, Illinois, and in the summer of 1983, the town endured a serious of completely unconnected murders, including four women slain in a ceramics shop on a Saturday morning. The National Enquirer tabloid called Joliet “Terror Town USA” that summer. Turns out that the murders were connected by the serial killer who committed them. Milton Johnson was suspected of 14 murders that summer, and convicted of five, including the ones in the shop. He had been sentenced to death, but all such sentences were commuted to life imprisonment when the governor got rid of the death penalty in the 1990s. A friend of my mom’s had been planning to stop by that shop with her son that Saturday morning, but things got busy and she skipped it. That close call haunted her for the rest of her life.

[@joline2730]

Kathy: Fate takes a hand . . .

[@amberswafford9305]

IT’S NEVER A MANNEQUIN!!

[@evapreu3011]

I think it's a mechanism of the brain to protect you from the gruesome reality. He seems to have been subconsciously aware that something was very wrong and that he had to tell someone about it, while still refusing to accept that he saw a dead body.

[@archibaldchuzzlewit1848]

One of the best channels on KZbin. Really well researched, written, and communicated without a bunch of extra bells and whistles that often taken away from other creators' videos.

[@dawngray5798]

That's amazing how adding the theft of a 15-pound item elevated his sentence from 25 years to death!!

[@brianedwards7142]

Property has always meant more than human life to British law.

[@rinpaisys]

@@brianedwards7142that’s not really exclusive to British law, unfortunately. Those in power set the rules and values, and those who seek and attain portions of power tend view human life as little more than a means to an end at best.

[@jingles123456789ify]

I thought it was the theft itself, not the price

[@ebonymaw8457]

@@jingles123456789ifyYes it was the theft and not the price. Our friend was just pointing out how cheap the item was.

[@heikesiegl2640]

I thought it was because If you Take something after you killed someone you can't say it was an affect or you didnt mean to. If you took something you must have had ill intend

[@andrewwarmington]

Very solid account - I had never previously heard that Bush considered himself to be white. He was conventionally described as Eurasian at the time - but then colour distinction was such a crucial thing in the caste system and it may have been all he had to cling onto in the wretched life he had led

[@KLGChaos]

Its weird that murder is max 25 years, but adding robbery onto makes it the death penalty.

[@VickyShawcooksalot]

It's called an aggravating circumstance. This is like saying if not for the robbery she might not have been killed. That's the way I understand it. If I'm misunderstanding it hopefully someone with legal experience will correct me. Always open to learn.

[@KLGChaos]

@VickyShawcooksalot yeah, its probably something like that. It just seems weird because it makes it look like robbery is worse than straight up killing someone

[@KidarWolf]

@@VickyShawcooksalot I did make a slightly more detailed explanation in my own comment on the video, but I'll copy the relevant parts here for ease of reference for people. Yes, it's an aggravating circumstance. For those commenters baffled by how a theft elevated this to a capital punishment, I hope I can explain adequately well my understanding, based on reading sentencing guidelines in California law for the purpose of a tabletop rolelaying game. It isn't that the theft is a significant factor, it's that /any/ crime committed alongside the murder, within a specified list, would have elevated the sentencing guidelines. As an example, if in the act of murdering someone, you also torched their home, or had on your person, even if you didn't use it, an unlicensed weapon, or drugs, that could also elevate your sentencing guidelines - theft is just one of many acts that might be in such a list as being sentence modifiers, and result in harsher sentencing. I hope that helps explain a little?

[@pabmusic1]

​@@KidarWolf More specifically, the Homicide Act 1957 abolished capital punishment for all but a handful of specified circumstances. Murder in the course of theft, murder with a firearm or explosive, murder of a police of prison officer, murder in the course of escape or attempted escape from custody, and murder on a second or subsequent occasion. All other murders became non-capital offences, the mandatory punishment for which was life imprisonment (not 25 years!). It remained this way until 1964, when a moratorium on capital punishment was declared (final abolition in 1969. The convention of aggravating factors you describe was abolished by the same Homicide Act, which introduces the idea of 'diminished responsibility' that led to a manslaughter convictio rather than murder.

[@Tenzin62]

Wow. I often go to Cecil court, especially Watkins books. I didn’t know it had this history.

[@brianoneil9662]

Splendid work! Fascinating as always, and perfectly presented!

[@addie_is_me]

ikr

[@hlcdriver]

@@addie_is_me LOL. Sorry, not used to KZbin comments, I tiought the Translate to English was part of your comment, hence the down vote. I now know that it's a KZbin addon for abbreviations. Added a thumbs up to compensate.

[@thebooknitter]

Such a sad tale but told with so much respect and taste. Love your work Paul ❤

[@bettyfeliciano7322]

Paul you are absolutely the best at telling these stories! I just love looking at the old black & white photos of people bc it seems like you can concentrate on the whole face instead of being distracted by so many colors. Happy 4th of July to all those who celebrate this special holiday! Blessings always Paul & staff! ❤️🙏😊

[@bretfisher7286]

I love the old photographs that always accompany your stories, Sir. So respectful-looking, so buttoned up and wooly, so dignified. Which, by the way, is a description of your own appearance! We could do with a bit more of that here in America.

[@NanaBren]

Hi Paul, I was born in 1959. I didn’t know that Identikit went back that far. It’s interesting that the images created with the kit are often so close to the actual person. Perhaps, by focusing on individual parts of the face, it is easier to remember the image as a whole. Also, the witnesses who produce images close to the criminals would likely make better witnesses in court. Thank you for this interesting video. ❤

[@johnoconnor4941]

Its strange Paul, that a vile, horrible and totally unnecessary crime can seem far less repulsive when narrated in your precise vocal cadence. The torment and fear involved in these dreadful crimes, converted to fact, by a strange emotive narrative, for me, makes it far more intense, far more memorable. Keep on Paul.

[@resnonverba137]

It's...

[@johnoconnor4941]

@@resnonverba137 It is....

[@resnonverba137]

@@johnoconnor4941 That's fine, but it isn't what you wrote or tried to write.

[@johnoconnor4941]

@@resnonverba137 no, it's not. That's why I agreed.

[@heikesiegl2640]

​@@resnonverba137 what an insightful comment. Thank you very much

[@jacktheripper13]

Thanks for another great video Paul! (And for my 'well I never' patch that arrived recently)

[@karinac.3378]

LET US GET THIS CHANNEL TO 1 MILION❤ HE DESERVES IT. Time to share on all socials!

[@kimberlymartin4836]

You Sir are a very handsome dapper gentleman

[@martinwarner1178]

I remember this crime, in 1960s England, even though I was only 7 years old. It must have been the newspaper 'drawing' of the suspect, my parents took the Daily Mirror newspaper, at that time. Always a good 'watch', is 'Well I never....'

[@DutchJoan]

I can't help but think about the Shaping Us project and the effects of early childhood on what kind of adults we become.

[@trudysimms1564]

Yes that is thought provoking, in this case the murderer had 4 siblings. Also too brought up in what we assume to have been 'horrific' living conditions etc. so what became of them? We are all products of our upbringing and environment...

[@kellydalstok8900]

A lot of people with a horrible childhood turn out okay, and there are examples of people from a loving home who turn out bad. Some people are just born with a serious screw loose.

[@KidarWolf]

@@kellydalstok8900 Yes, or different people have differing levels of mental resilience to aggressions and micro aggressions against them on the basis of something they cannot change about themselves (known today as a protected characteristic in the UK).

[@andysmith819]

Fascinating, as usual. I've spent many hours in Cecil Court browsing the Prints and Maps.

[@orientalrose4388]

Me too! 📚

[@andysmith819]

@@orientalrose4388 My favourite was Alan Rose's at the CC Rd end 😀

[@deniseleplatt1616]

Happy 4th if July to those who celebrate it. Paul, this is going to be a great way to celebrate. Thanks so much

[@addie_is_me]

As a Brit Paul won't be pro America's July 4th I guess, But as a Scott, he might. Lol

[@heatherjeanmorris8020]

Happy 4th wish you a beautiful day stay safe 🎉

[@spicencens7725]

Thank you & to you! Paul's timing is spot on, now that the dogs have settled in, all is quiet, I can enjoy this latest installment of Well, I Never!

[@OutsideGamerGirl]

Happy 4th ❤️🇺🇲🤍🇺🇲💙! Thank you, Paul and crew, for another great episode.

[@betsysipe5512]

So...I'm going to do a thing. I love independence day, but how do you think native Americans feel?

[@joycepetrina2791]

I luv how you tell these stories.

[@michelledesgroseilliers2956]

Paul, I adore you! Keep the stories coming! I love hearing your storytelling ❤❤ hugs from the US

[@KidarWolf]

What an awful murder. If as Edwin Bush alleged, racial slurs were hurled at him, I can understand his anger, though I cannot condone murder as a result. However, as it is his word against a murdered woman, it is impossible to take that claim of his with any sort of trust of its truthfulness - it is still entirely possible his allegation was solely an attempt to ameliorate things with the jury deciding what the facts were in the case. What a tragic story, and perhaps a nuanced one, in consideration of current social and political climates. An excellent choice of subject, Paul. Edit: For those commenters baffled by how a theft elevated this to a capital punishment, I hope I can explain adequately well my understanding, based on reading sentencing guidelines in California law for the purpose of a tabletop rolelaying game. It isn't that the theft is a significant factor, it's that /any/ crime committed alongside the murder, within a specified list, would have elevated the sentencing guidelines. As an example, if in the act of murdering someone, you also torched their home, or had on your person, even if you didn't use it, an unlicensed weapon, or drugs, that could also elevate your sentencing guidelines - theft is just one of many acts that might be in such a list as being sentence modifiers, and result in harsher sentencing. I hope that helps explain a little?

[@VintageVera]

I completely believe the racial slur allegation was a lie because I have watched many murderers and rapists (on KZbin) make up "justifications" for their deeds. All lies.

[@changeintheair9648]

Absolutely true - but even so "your kind" could have meant the loiters who have no money but constantly come in and browse without any intention of buying things. But rather just killing time. No pun intended. When I grew up (born 1962), it was what we did - just hang out in a store, looking at many things, but no intention to buy. It was just killing time and dreaming of what we wanted someday.

[@KidarWolf]

@@changeintheair9648 That's certainly possible, yes.

[@freakstylebjdstudios8198]

Reminds me of when I was 12 years old. There was this chinese shop in my town that sold beautiful furniture and accessories. One of them was a laquer mother of pearl box that I had set my eyes to. Only problem was that it was 150 guilders; a lot of money for a child. But I was determined to save up for it. Every other week, I'd come back to see if 'my' laquer box was still for sale. And every other week, it was standing there, on display, waiting for me. Then, one day when I had 120 guilders saved up, I entered the shop. Only this time the owner noticed me. He came right at me and screamed: "You always come in and never buy anything! I want you to get out and never set foot in here again, you miserable ant!" If I wanted my laquer box, I'd have to pay this man. 12-year old me was a little too scared and a bit too offended for that. So, I decided to walk out of that door and keep the money.

[@michaelrooney1454]

Another good story, Paul. Thank you. Nice to hear about the identi-kit and how it came about

[@howlnwolf84]

I'm so pleased to have another wonderful addition to your already fascinating and eclectic videos! I am most grateful, sir.

[@tinaowen8711]

I love this story teller. He employs 5:02 unnecessary words or engages in plugs for products. Concise and to the point he is. Well done, Mr. Brodie.

[@Flamsterette]

Thanks for the upload!

[@tishfox2858]

Fascinating info about identi-kit.Thank-you.👏👏👏

[@paulamarshall3281]

I really loved this, I know all the areas and it was strange to see how the shop looked like back then😊❤

[@Charlotte66666]

Always excited to see a new upload, thank you Paul 😊

[@TheDriftdog]

Hi Paul, haven’t seen one of your videos in a wee while, enjoyed this one so looking forward to more like this. Hope you’re well, you’re sounding a little different, hoping it’s just different sound equipment & nothing serious. Take care!

[@janetfitzgerald9752]

Always pleased to see another there’s a new “Well I Never”. There’s nothing like cuddling up to a chilling tale from the best dressed gentleman podcaster on KZbin.

[@dsantamaria713]

So, theft was what made the difference between 25 yrs and the death penalty? 🤔🤷

[@changeintheair9648]

Murder?

[@Hilmar-iq7xq]

After the fact.... Using a dagger... Elevated the crime to a death penalty....

[@joshuaguenin9507]

Homicide Act (1957) .... Before that all murder (18+) was punishable by death - under this law there was a set of so-called capital murders - one of which was during a robbery, burglary or theft

[@brianoneil9662]

Thanks!

[@WellINever]

Thank you, Brian! 😊🙏

[@sadielevens1144]

Always makes my day when you post❤❤❤❤❤🎉

[@charlottebech64]

Such a sad story 😢

[@kevinmott6205]

Thankyou Paul for another meticulously executed video and story telling. Much appreciated. 😊❤

[@drangonfliepink79]

Shocking that theft is worth more than a life back then wow...thx Paul

[@joshuaguenin9507]

Homicide Act (1957) .... Before that all murder (18+) was punishable by death - under this law there was a set of so-called capital murders - one of which was during a robbery, burglary or theft

[@fone9665]

These days, he could have been a high end model... I have to say, Elsie had a whole nation of enemies, war heroes, who helped keep her alive...

[@ticketyboo2456]

He ended up as a rope model.

[@mona_moalim]

What a senseless murder!

[@thejudgmentalcat]

I didn't catch this till this morning, love a good crime story with my friend Paul

[@joanhoffman3702]

In the fall of 1990, I made a day trip to Lincoln, England. I stopped in a bookstore at the foot of the hill leading to the castle and cathedral (I shall never forget walking/climbing up the Steep. Never was a street so well named!) I purchased a book and had a chat with the owner, an older woman. We chatted amiably for a few minutes until she used the word “w*gs”. I was from the U.S. and I still knew what it meant. It left a very bad taste in my mind. I ended the conversation soon after and left. I didn’t say anything back then, but now I would have said to her, “How do you feel about having a Jew in your shop?” I wonder what her reaction would have been?🤔

[@olliefoxx7165]

Really? How many times have your people called Christians and Muslims names? Don't play the "holier than thou" card. We no longer care for it.

[@joanhoffman3702]

@@olliefoxx7165 ??? I was commenting on an older woman who used a racial slur. How did that translate to “holier than thou”? If it makes you feel better, I am secular/non-religious, and there are Jews who would look down on me for that. Prejudice is still prejudice. I try to treat others as equals, regardless of our backgrounds. We are all human beings, despite our supposed differences. We have more in common with each other than not. Peace be with you.

[@sandic3892]

Another great video with a story I've never heard of! Thank you!

[@Dimcle]

What always strikes me is how quickly executions were carried out back in the day. A matter of weeks or months compared to the years/decades it takes in the U.S. (most civilized countries no longer have the death penalty).

[@changeintheair9648]

But are they civilized.? Britain thought it was 'civilized.' Each country thinks they are the cutting edge.

[@Dimcle]

@@changeintheair9648 Well, I'm Canadian and we removed the death penalty from our Criminal Code in 1976. *That* kind of "civilized".

[@rcrawford42]

It's "civilized" to keep killers alive at the expense of the innocent? To let killers out to murder again? To punish people for defending themselves?

[@Dimcle]

@@rcrawford42 I'm assuming that you're an American because of your defensiveness on this subject. Among developed countries, only the United States, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan retain the death penalty for ordinary crimes, and Israel for crimes under exceptional circumstances (such as during war). Among European countries, only one still has the death penalty (Belarus). The U.S is among the top five countries for executions along with Iran, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, and China, although, to be fair, the others make up the bulk of executions.. Nice company you keep. 🙄 In the last 50 years, at least 200 people on death row in the U.S. have been exonerated and released. That's 200 innocent people your "civilized" country would have killed. You must surely understand that most heinous murderers will never be released and will die of old age in prison, so there's no risk of them being released to kill again. The U.S. has a revenge mentality that most of the world has dropped. Ever heard the old adage, "Two wrongs don't make a right"? So, having said all that, please don't come back with your weak arguments because I am convinced that killing a murderer also makes you a murderer. Don't even try to change my mind.

[@retha1875]

​@Dimcle so, you consider murder an ordinary crime. You are exactly why we need the DP in every state and not just for murder

[@sarahcartier3393]

Well I never, short and sweet but interesting as always.

[@kellygnow1]

Thank you Sir

[@robinguertin574]

Thank you, Paul.

[@spacecowgurl57]

I'm watching as I sip in my mug, "Well, I never."❤

[@bebbychad7607]

I don't understand why he wouldn't have been sentenced to death for the murder alone. Why did it take the stealing of the sword to make sure of the death sentence? 🤔

[@matthewspicer1068]

Homicide Act (1957) .... Before that all murder (18+) was punishable by death - under this law there was a set of so-called capital murders - one of which was during a robbery, burglary or theft ..... Matthew:)

[@DawnOldham]

She very well may have said the words he said she did. But then again, he killed her and we can't know the truth. Either way, murder is evil and I'm glad that a life for a life was seen as appropriate sentencing. But it does go to show that a terrible childhood full of racial slurs and poverty and set a young person on the road to destruction. Still, it was his choice and he did know right from wrong. When he said the world would be better off without him, it broke my heart

[@changeintheair9648]

In the first part of what you said, you admitted we couldn't be sure if the accusations against her were true - BUT then you believe what he said about his life.

[@emmajulian8716]

Again thank you Mr brodie for a wonderful fascinating video the way you tell the story is wonderful please hurry with your next video ❤

[@philharry7213]

What an interesting and informative channel, very well presented.

[@PH_1964]

Thank you Paul. You're so interesting 😊

[@jakecavendish3470]

Amazed anyone was able to identify him from that sketch

[@monilangeKootenays]

High quality program.

[@minanes6549]

Great story telling.

[@connoroleary591]

Very tragic case. Amazed at the swiftness of British "justice" in 1961. Also, the morning of the execution, it would take 1 minute from the hangman entering the condemned mans cell, until his neck broke on the gallows. No long walk to the place of execution, just speed and efficiency to save the poor man terror.

[@AnnaAnna-uc2ff]

Thank you very much.

[@sarahsilverlight2064]

"Speaking personally, the world is better off without me.". The jury agreed 😂😂😂

[@cindysmith6612]

Thank you ❤😊

[@user-ix8ly7fj7s]

Thank you Paul! Always anxiously awaiting your latest upload!

[@matthewspicer1068]

Homicide Act (1957) .... Before that all murder (18+) was punishable by death - under this law there was a set of so-called capital murders - one of which was during a robbery, burglary or theft ..... Matthew:)

[@wondergranny2299]

That was creepy and tragic, I think.

[@jasonroberts4470]

Thanks 😊

[@aprilkalcsa9336]

Right then

[@interstellarsurfer]

Storytime with Dwalin! 👍

[@nunyaefinbiz]

THANK YOU

[@surinderjitsingh8954]

That sword looks great

[@robertwoods-dc4wo]

Gr8 stories

[@Ms.HarmonyJ]

Happy July 4th paul and crew sensational job as always

[@kellydalstok8900]

I highly doubt the killer’s story about the racial slur setting him off. He only wanted the sword, so I think he also asked for the daggers to be brought out because he intended to use them on the woman.

[@tarana9329]

Guessing you haven’t been subject to racial slurs day in day out before

[@beardedqueen]

@@tarana9329 my money says this is the type of privileged person that would make such an assertion but would be sympathetic to someone claiming the “gay panic defense.”

[@Einwetok]

I remember those as a kid's toy back in the 70's....

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

It's never a mannequin.

[@janeyrevanescence12]

Does anyone else not believe Bush’s “apology”? Like if he was really sorry, wouldn’t he have tried to get help for her and not waited to have been identified?

[@bekkakay8573]

Love W,IN❤

[@kayb9979]

I wonder if they had a crystal egg in the window?

[@nikkinelsonhicksify]

I was born four years to the date of his execution. Kind of chilling. 😮

[@19Edurne]

11:06 So if I get this right, theft is worthy of death but not murder... Mmh, interesting.

[@joshuaguenin9507]

Homicide Act (1957) .... Before that all murder (18+) was punishable by death - under this law there was a set of so-called capital murders - one of which was during a robbery, burglary or theft Also, the US Law is simialr in that robbery when someone dies is punishable by death

[@liamhatt8456]

Wait. Theft was a higher crime than murder? Actually, thinking back on all of the history documentaries I've watched, that seems common. Aren't there still laws in some countries that allow hands to be lopped off in crimes of theft?

[@joshuaguenin9507]

Homicide Act (1957) .... Before that all murder (18+) was punishable by death - under this law there was a set of so-called capital murders - one of which was during a robbery, burglary or theft

[@rubyslippers9611]

So sad

[@user-kr2sw6qe9u]

Happy 4th. Thanks for all your great storytelling. I’m addicted

[@thomassecurename3152]

Tail to warm your merciless heart.

[@johncox2865]

So, the theft of a cheap curiosity cost him his life, but not the theft of a woman’s life. That’s perverse. Happy 4th, Denise (Can’t get your name right)

[@joshuaguenin9507]

Homicide Act (1957) .... Before that all murder (18+) was punishable by death - under this law there was a set of so-called capital murders - one of which was during a robbery, burglary or theft

[@juliamcwilliam]

Can you be my history teacher PS I'm 43 hahaha

[@Dawna-gp1zk]

no

[@ARedMotorcycle]

Hi, 43. I'm 42.

[@martinfisher7803]

A mere £15 was an awful lot of money back then and why Ceesyl you aren’t American

[@user-cr2lh3ry2v]

👍

[@bobbisparks53]

Yes sir! Nothing says "Merica!!" more than watching one of my favorite UK creators!! Right on man!!😂😂😂

[@JJW77]

Well, I never you would present a captured using the identikit system.

[@Yossarian921]

Poor lady got killed by JoJo's Bizarre Adventure character, no one expects that.

[@Leon-lt5gv]

A photagraphic memory or what 👍

[@janicehatcher2843]

Edwin bush is my brother in law 😢

[@LaurieValdez-zk3dy]

Thank you very much Happy 4th of July Philadelphia USA 🇺🇸 Nostrovia ❤❤❤

[@MyMissingPeace]

Good old fashioned police work 🩵

[@TheGrimStoic]

Brace yourselves - enrichment deluge incoming (05/07/2024)

[@cmarenghi]

Love the true crime stories you present. I know of a story in the USA that may interest you. Are you open to suggestions?

[@WellINever]

Thank you! And we certainly are.

[@cmarenghi]

⁠@@WellINever Well then. I recommend you look up the story of Isaac B Charles of Ada, Ohio, who became known as the Borgia of America. He was born to a hardworking and well respected farming family in the early 1800s. As a young man, impatient to be rich, he decided to remove certain family members as impediments to his inheritance. Anticipating a large family gathering of 25-30 people, he added a large quantity of arsenic to the flour barrel that was to be used for baking bread for the feast. Look up the Cincinnati Enquirer, Sunday Morning Edition, May 19, 1895, which was his death notice and tells his story: “Gone: A Dare-Devil Poisoner.”

[@eggman37]

3:38 I hope that's not ai...

[@RevLeigh55]

To me that composite looks nothing like the suspect.

[@Renee2day598]

It's never a mannaquin

[@littleblackcar]

My home city recently had an incident where a body turned out to be a blow-up doll. I think it made the news mostly because, for once, it WAS a mannequin (more or less)!

[@hogwashmcturnip8930]

@@littleblackcar The problem for me was the "Or a woman who had fainted" So you go into a shop, there is no assistant, but you see someone or something lying on the floor, enough for you to think it is someone who is ill, and you just walk out? In this case he would not have saved her, but what if she had been suffering a heart attack or seizure?. That is bizarre behaviour. I think he may have looked and been terrified at what he saw, so he ran. Only his guilty conscience wold not let him rest.

[@magdatorruellas9122]

I would make a lousy agent as I do not see any resemblance of drawing and picture!