The Pilot Who Forgot To Fuel His Plane | Keewatin Air 202

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

This video was supposed to come out on Christmas Day, but had to be pushed back

[@XalphYT]

Happy New Year!

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Happy new year!

[@Edsbar]

Thanks for the belated wishes. Thank goodness for the frozen lake.

[@ivebeenmemed]

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation happy new year to you too. And sorry for bothering you with suggestions, but I would love if you did LOT Polish airlines flight 5055.

[@PilotPulse]

Excellent work, I love the flight sim footage!

[@skuula]

Well they learned a lot on that training flight.

[@se-kmg355]

They learned how to look for new jobs, I assume.

[@wntu4]

@@se-kmg355 I would hope so. The flight was FUBAR from beginning to end.

[@Kromaatikse]

@@wntu4 Surely a SNAFU? It doesn't make grammatical sense for it to be "a" FUBAR.

[@wntu4]

@@Kromaatikseyeah the 'a' was unintended. Fixed

[@larrybe2900]

Touching a hot stove burner is not something one should have to experience to know it will hurt and fuel is nothing different if you don't want to fall out of the sky.

[@mikelp72]

The fuel gauges are clearly visible by both pilots, and are instinctively a part of any King Air pilots’ regular cockpit scan. This is just unbelievable.

[@ThatSB]

Lmfao. You scan your untrustable fuel gauges every time you scan your instruments? I dont even believe you fly

[@boomerhgt]

ThatSly B Pilots that don't check fuel gauges are you kidding a pair of clowns

[@ThatSB]

@@boomerhgt Why would you check a fuel gauge? Who even flies planes with working fuel gauges?

[@wafikiri_]

I flew King Airs for a whole year. Yes, you cannot trust fuel gauges when you are maneuvering, but you can when cruising steadily - I used to check them and they were not that unreliable.

[@mikecarroll5853]

My wife commutes on fumes all the time. She hasn't crashed yet.

[@joecummings1260]

That windmilling prop creates a whole lot of drag. I'm pretty sure if they would have immediately feathered the prop they would have landed on the runway without any damage. But they still would have been idiots

[@aarondionne9660]

And not lowering the gear above 5000 ft

[@imaPangolin]

Best comment ever.

[@rewolff2]

Not true. All airplanes have a figure called "best glide". It can be as high as 1:60 for a good sailplane, and as bad as 1:3 for a parachute. But powered airplanes are between 1:15 and 1:20. But I don't think that 1:20 has been achieved yet. The normal approach path to a runway is 3 degrees. This is equivalent to a 1:19 glide path. So a powered plane with engine out is rarely able to achieve that glide ratio. This "best glide" of close to 20 assumes: flaps up, best speed for best-glide (i.e. not slowing for touchdown), gear up, props feathered. So in general when you plan on landing on the remaining engine and hit the normal glideslope and THEN the second engine goes out... You're in deep shit. So.... when the first engine cuts out due to say "blowing up", you can assume this to be unrelated to the second engine cutting out, so "reduce workload by doing things as you normally do" i.e. regular glideslope: Fine! But when you run out of fuel, the second engine cutting out is NOT an unrelated event. It is WAY more likely to happen once the first engine has starved of fuel. So you should aim for a 4 or 5 degree approach angle to allow for the second engine cutting out. Sideslip, zigzag, use speedbrakes, put out the flaps and gears to slow down. So again, if you are on the normal 3 degree approach path to a runway, you cannot make said runway without an engine running. (*) These calculations assume "steady state". If you start on the glideslope with excess speed, you can stay on the glidepath, bleeding off speed for a while. In this actual case, they might have had enough energy to JUST make it. Fly best-glide speed (i.e. aim for a point before the runway) and then fly in ground-effect while bleeding off speed towards the runway.

[@JMGlider]

@@rewolff2 Your thinking is correct, but your explanation does not support your 'not true' comment. Because if they'd feathered the prop, the remaining engine would have needed way less power and fuel so it would likely fail later. If they would approach with 90kts groundspeed, so with 40seconds longer power, they'd probably made it even without your very smart suggestions of higher speed, flaps up and maybe staying a bit above the profile.

[@PJMontoya]

You’d think that would be their first thought after losing the engine due to lack of fuel. It was my thought and I don’t even fly. It would have been different if they were going to attempt a restart

[@cobra646]

Very similar story happened at the 703 operator I used to work with, also with a medevac King Air 200. A Captain training an upgrading pilot to Captain. Combine with an MEL'd fuel gauage and maintenance items, miscommunication with ground team, mx and pilots, a King Air was lined up on the threshold when the left engine flamed out due to fuel starvation. If they had even 20 seconds more fuel it would have been a V1 cut and a major problem. Main cause was neither pilot doing to the function of the F/O which would have been to verify fuel quantity, and with the MEL applied the MEL said fuel had to be full tank and visually confirmed through the fuel cap, but nobody bother with properly delegating duties.

[@saml7610]

I hope the trainee kept his job - that's a bummer and it really sounds like the FO was mostly at fault here. It sounds like the FO was complacent with a gentleman's agreement turned pseudo policy, and that's ultimately what caused this. It all cascaded from there, and while there were multiple mistakes made that probably ended up costing the airframe, those mistakes never could have occurred had the FO remembered to actually fuel the plane. Great training for the trainee - after this, the airline can be confident that he'll never forget to fuel a plane himself, so he has that going for him!

[@smoothmicra]

I suspect there was some soiled underwear in the cabin when that thing bounced off the lake. REALLY close call, and very sloppy for an experienced pilot not to monitor the gauges. We can all have a brain fart and forget the basics, but this could have been fixed a long time before it became an emergency if the experienced pilot had checked the gauges. I don't think I would like to fly in anything piloted by that fella. Shockingly unprofessional.

[@kpn574]

Too true!

[@howardjohnson6584]

Problem is you don't now that you're flying with that fellow until you are flying into the lake with that fellow.

[@johnfisher747]

He assumed he had enough fuel, he assumed the other captain had checked, he assumed they’d make their destination with fuel to spare. I think we can assume he no longer works in this industry.

[@rowerwet]

complacency gets the best of them and the worst of them. I worked at a freight operator for many years. one of our most experienced pilots managed to do the same thing. the problem was the daily routine of an early morning flying the same route, and just expecting the aircraft to have already been refueled overnight. On this particular type, the fuel gauges peg full when turned on, then roll back to the actual level. the aircraft had just come out of a week of maintenance, and was swapped into the spot on the line early in the morning. the fuelers didn't have that tail number on their list, so they didn't fuel it. the pilot had spent the day before driving from one state to another to pick up a different airplane, then slept on a couch in the pilot lounge that night after flying back. He was within sight of his destination when the left fuel pressure warning came on, he could have tried it, but there is a mountain to clear in between. He was directly over a small glider airport, so he dropped the gear and rolled the aircraft into a turn. The fully loaded EMB110 dropped 6,000 ft to the runway in one turn, and stopped before running off the end of the field. He flat spotted the main wheels through to the air. His experience with being a skydive pilot is the only reason he pulled it off. skydive pilots try to go from 12,000 ft to the runway without pulling any power from the idling engines in the twin otter at the jump park. often beating the jumpers back to the ground. the same old same old is the thing that will probably bite you

[@DarkWolf5250]

Very interesting! I used to fly in and out of Gillam monthly in 2018-2019, and I remember seeing this plane at the end of the runway with no landing gear for a few months. Cool to know what actually happened, and good no one was hurt.

[@andy-james-]

Tower: Do you require emergency vehicles? Pilot: Nah, just a fuel truck.

[@rizwanwasi7019]

There was one case in India couple of years ago when both Air India pilots forgot to retract the landing gears and ran short of fuel midway because of the drag. They decided to land on a nearby airport and that's when they realized that landing gears were already down.

[@smcdonald9991]

5:53 _The gauges are hard to see from the right-hand seat_ That does not seem like a good design.

[@mikelp72]

They are not hard to see. They are easily seen from either seat, that was a BS excuse.

[@smcdonald9991]

@@mikelp72 Routine and boredom.. dozens, hundreds of flights that are the same where nothing happens. Then comes the one unusual event in your career and you miss it because you don't pay attention anymore. Feathering the props is pretty basic though and it's on the engine flame out checklist..

[@TIO540S1]

@@smcdonald9991 It’s a “memory item,” i.e., a thing you memorize to do before you even look at the checklist. Then, it’s on there too along best glide speed, etc.

[@Musikur]

@@smcdonald9991 And how about not lowering flaps or the landing gear until assured of making the field in a dead stick landing? That's even more basic, you get taught that stuff before they even let you in a plane with a CSP.

[@garyreed2206]

SOOOOOOO many checklist items and procedures missed, ignored, brushed over, neglected. I assume they had one HELL of a post mission briefing (ass chewing) when they got back to headquarters.

[@highflyerl23]

They both got fired. The nurses are still there.

[@RobertoHernandez-rq5bf]

Piloting is not about always being right, but there's CRM, designed to catch errors. It's amazing that they didn't take such a basic step as to feather the left propeller and that they didn't have a clear emergency situation workload division established prior to starting the flight. It means there was no preflight breafing either.

[@allredtail]

Why would you extend the landing gear before you knew you could make the runway???? Talk about a lot of drag.

[@BuhLooZeR]

I know others have said this and more people will say this, but I much prefer the flight simulator visuals over the random footage of planes in the older videos. Of course the commentary and info are the most important things, so I wasn't as bothered by the random footage of planes compared to other comments I have seen on other older videos however good quality relevant visuals are always a plus. Keep up the good work.

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Glad you like it :)

[@tinaandalex]

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation It can happen to anyone. I once forgot to fuel my car. That’s why “fuel” should be on the checklist.

[@imzary]

me : *reads the title* also me: No way he did forget to fuel the plane What ?

[@Edsbar]

It's easy done, maybe one of the passengers was very attractive.

[@gdwnet]

Funny as that's the exact reaction I had. How can anyone spend that many hours in the air and not once check the fuel gauges?!

[@Tom-tk3du]

@@gdwnet Pretty safe to say, these two pilots gonna be flying the red-eye to Saskatoon for the next 20 years.

[@imzary]

@@lesleier Yeah ik, when i watched the video i kinda understanded what happened, but non the less, this doesn't mean he didn't forgot a key Part of flying a plane

[@imzary]

@@lesleier yes, i am not a pilot

[@LadyLithias]

I really prefer it when your videos include a simulation of the flight. When I first found your channel, I didn't realize that the video wasn't OF the crash being "investigated" and I kept wondering why the "brand" of airline kept changing. :)

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Thanks for the feedback 🤞

[@MIXTAB1]

I’m digging the instrument panel, super nice looking

[@Dingomush]

That guy wins a facepalm award.

[@TonboIV]

I've never flown anything multi engine, but even with my limited experience, putting down the gear and flaps so early in a fuel starvation scenario just seems so bizarre and unnatural. In that situation, I'd immediately want to minimize drag, set best glide speed, and head straight for anything with a runway! Having two crew could also be great. I could have the other guy mess with the engines and the radio while I focus on getting to the runway. Given how close they were to an airport, it really seems like they should have been able to make the runway just fine if they'd done things right.

[@dennisharrington6055]

Thanks. Our Canadian friends have an angel on their shoulders. This is the THIRD fuel exhaustion or fuel leak incident that I know of where everyone got out alive.

[@PsychoKat90]

Had everything gone right, they wouldn't have run out of fuel at all! Pretty remarkable that they missed it with multiple checklists designed to prevent just that!

[@churchofmarcus]

I totally understand how this would happen. I often have to do things when I think about them because thinking about things makes me think I did them.

[@merc340sr]

Run out of fuel, no feathering? Where did these pilots get their training?!....feathering seems like such a basic procedure...like counting to five!!!

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

You *always* have sufficient fuel to reach the scene of the crash. They are extremely fortunate to have walked away.

[@fabianzimmermann5495]

Maybe the pilot forgot to fuel the plane, but at least he got everyone on the ground savely.

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

That he did. And some pretty good flying too. Had it been a mechanical failure he would have been a hero

[@fabianzimmermann5495]

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Definately

[@Halakah7]

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation One of the nurses on board disagrees up above. Guessing he posted after you did... Quote: "...the pilot dove the plane immediately realizing the situation, forfeiting a lot of his altitude which he realized later and then leveled off but by this point it was too late. Then I watched as the pilot and copilot struggled to maintain airspeed and altitude to reach the airport."

[@calvin7868]

Now I understand why it’s called a beach craft. Get it cause they landed on the lakes beach

[@vladavasilov2247]

Congratulations on professionalism... From Serbia, Vlada...

[@Robidu1973]

An analysis on the mid-air crash between Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937 and DHL Flight 611 would be great (July 1st, 2002, near Überlingen, Germany). It has been quite devastating, but it also had uncovered some flaws in ATC procedures.

[@RaivoltG]

If they had 10 seconds more, they could have landed on the runway, according to the information in the video. Just goes to show you that every second and every decision can make a world of difference. Glad they all survived, I wonder if they have their jobs still! Great video!

[@darrellroeters4951]

Having landing gear down shortened his distance feathering both props helps also.

[@robertbarber4486]

All they had to do to make the airport is feather the left prop, stay clean and drift down to a high key and land.

[@JIMJAMSC]

Our FBO and field had "auto top offs" which led to issues and as a pilot embarrassed to say saw pilots taking off with not enough fuel happened more times than I care to remember. Some come screaming in, leave it and drive off. Then days, weeks come screaming in, jump in and go. I personally saw this 3 times with one barely getting off the ground. After landing the linemen had to drain the tanks to get back under his gross w.

[@davidwheatcroft2797]

Pilots NEVER rely on the fuel gauges. Smart pilots fill the tanks at the end of the day. It reduces condensation and is one thing LESS to forget. Sloppy thinking will kill you. Fly smart. Say your checks out loud ALWAYS. Practise fanstops. CAVU skies to all aviators!.....kilo papa uniform 54.

[@Loco-native]

Pretty kool stuffs....I enjoy watching your channel..wonder if u could do something on the mid air crash outside Sioux lookout Ontario..am not sure what airlines were involved but I’m thinking it is Air Sandy and Bearskin airways..

[@garrettosullivan8830]

Fuel gauge check with a chart to convert gauge % to weight of fuel should be part of before takeoff confirmation checklist to make sure the plane does not fly with too little fuel.

[@TheBeingReal]

Fuel. We don’t need no stinkin fuel!

[@kpn574]

What are the guys doing?? Are they pilots? And what a check pilot at that! Nice to know they all survived though.

[@MovieMakingMan]

Are commercial pilots required to have liability insurance in case their actions damage/crash a plane? Or do their contracts include personal liability protections? And even if pilots do have liability protections would they be protected in case of their gross negligence?

[@Invertatude]

This is reflective of the general safety culture of Keewatin. (seen from an insider)

[@MrSaemichlaus]

Even when you pay attention to a gauge: that gauge can fail. On a small plane, it should be part of the pre-flight walkaround to peek into the tank.

[@Musikur]

Yeah, that's also why you should keep a fuel log during flight. If you've been sucking a tank for an hour and it reads the same as it did last time, you might want to land and take a look.

[@Spyke-lz2hl]

Not “if everything had gone right FOR the crew”, but “of the crew had done everything right”. There were plenty of errors to go around in this one, but the captain is the final authority and it’s ultimately his responsibility to get this stuff right.

[@garyfischer4357]

Well, they can still get airline jobs at Air China.

[@garyfischer4357]

@Politically Correct Ah yes, Captain Bang Ding Ow, co-pilot Wee Tu Lo and Sum Ting Wong.

[@pop5678eye]

About as embarrassing as going to a grocery store having created a detailed shopping list but forgot your wallet. Just much more dangerous.

[@CowboyStag]

Unbelievable. I bet they continued to fly The lesson for me ...The checklist is a Holy document

[@PianoMan-hx3ev]

They could’ve even feathered that left prop over the lake at the last minute, and that probably would’ve been enough. Glad they are all safe!!! ✈️

[@wunkus]

The aircraft represented in the computer simulation is a B350, not a B200.

[@Rombbb]

Nice, the MSFS screens ! And to answer your question, yes they for sure would have made it by feathering the prop I'd say. Making mistakes, like forgetting the fuel is human (everyone does something super dumb once in a while) but when you do get in an emergency you should be sharp and I as layman would even think about feathering.

[@jerryvelders4457]

Failing to even look at the fuel gauges was a boneheaded move on the part of both pilots. Before you ever start the engines you check EVERYTHING that contributes to flight safety .. control surfaces, tires, fuel, etc. These guys were apparently operating on the basis of habit .. not really dealing with the actual situation at hand. Thank goodness no one was killed by this simple mistake.

[@Amaleen6]

I thought my memory was bad, but dang.....

[@kikufutaba1194]

I have no idea the drag of the flaps when they are fully deployed but in most aircraft, I have flown the last notch is all drag and no extra lift. so to deploy full flaps before you are sure to make the runway is not the best idea. Also, the gear should not be put down until you are sure you have the landing point made. I think they had not spent enough time in a simulator as all these things are gone over there.

[@accessiblenow]

Knowing they were running out of fuel, they should have stayed high until reaching the airport.

[@byronharano2391]

I thought dropping the landing gear early was strange. I understand glide slope, but keeping altitude and airspeed is most important than losing altitude for the glide slope at this phase in the emergency. Yes..."X" factor contributed hugely to this mishap.

[@fillywinks]

would it make sense to call the more experienced pilot 'pilot monitoring' in this case to avoid confusion?

[@gettothepoint2707]

Did the pilot(s) get fired?

[@Halakah7]

Not sure but I just asked one of the nurses onboard the same question a minute ago... He commented here a few days ago, perhaps he will fill us in...

[@gettothepoint2707]

@@Halakah7 Yeah. I hope so...

[@aaltvandenham]

Not feathering the engine which flamed out, because of lack of fuel to me is the worst error they made in flight. Two minutes flying not-diverting is another. The captain (trainee) should have checked the fuel gauges in flight. He did not!

[@RadioJonophone]

I thought everyone did CIGAR before even moving the plane. Controls - Instruments - Gas - Aircraft secure - Run-up (or Radio).

[@ionfreefly]

I love the reenactment using a flight sim!

[@torgeirbrandsnes1916]

There was a simular case in Australia in 1970. An F-28 from MMA ran out of fuel in the outback. You can find the mini docu here on YT. Happy hunting. Happy new year!

[@Fomites]

I flew on MMA in Western Australia in 1970 as a passenger. I was not on that flight you mentioned :-)

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

Absolutely it would have made it if they'd feathered the prop and started heading for the new airport straight away rather than continuing towards the original one for those 2 extra minutes

[@MathieuBayou]

Great work! Love your video!

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Oferb553]

These "pilots" shouldn't had a license in the first place.

[@wntu4]

Well they effed that up all the way around. Yes, I think they could have made the runway given A) Feathering the left prop in a timely manner and B) Not getting dirty until the runway was assured. 0/10, recommend pilots be invited to explore non aviation related careers.

[@jadler10]

Sounds like at no point did they follow failed engine procedures and they had plenty of time to. After failed engine is correctly identified if mid air restart is not to be considered, its close the throttle, cutoff fuel and feather the prop. How did one of the pilots not even think to do this, to keep that thing flying straight with single engine will require a lot of corrective rudder, with a windmilling prop that's going to make for a very tired leg.

[@cr6925]

No nookie for those two "captains" with the nurses then.

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

Given how close they came to getting her down, feathering would probably have made that tiny bit of difference.

[@JohnWilson-os5wy]

That was some mistake ,you can forget to take water ,but fuel that's a huge mistake .

[@RealAphotiX]

This isn't a Beechcraft, it's a Beach Craft!

[@22vx]

Great job

[@claudiojunior9618]

Fill up is the first thing you must do.

[@fsg7710]

Is this MSFS?

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Yep!

[@fsg7710]

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation ok! Thx

[@keithtynan7469]

Am I the only one wondering if the two nurses were cute enough to make the pilots act like idiots?

[@rollsroycegriffon2375]

It's like you're too used on doing something that you tend to forget its basics.

[@katemaloney4296]

I pull out of the driveway and my eye immediately goes to the fuel indicator. Every. Single. Time. I never want to hear about women being unable to multi-task and being bad pilot material after watching this.

[@stephenbritton9297]

Whats with Canadian aircraft running out of fuel?

[@edsmith438]

Told you not to get rid of the FE.

[@doubleaught7540]

Why don't they just do the checklist at home...saves time when preparing for flight in the cockpit

[@JordyValentine]

That would be my last flight haha, used up a lot of luck with that landing

[@gettothepoint2707]

Merry Christmas uhhh.... May I know you name? 🙂

[@kosmotto]

I checked the fuel all the time. I mean all the time this is silly and crazy

[@mredsterish]

Yes.

[@rilmar2137]

Turns out I shouldn't be so hard on myself the next time I forget to charge my phone before going out.

[@eyesofstatic9641]

lmfaooo

[@KaiHenningsen]

@@eyesofstatic9641 You should have a checklist, then you would notice before you go. (Not that that helps, because then you usually don't have time to wait for the charging.)

[@eyesofstatic9641]

@@KaiHenningsen i'm not the OP

[@Kromaatikse]

I have a different problem: my phones are always charged, but I often forget to pick one up before departing.

[@rilmar2137]

@@Kromaatikse in a true millenial/gen z fashion I'm glued to mine for most of the time haha

[@realvanman1]

Cars: Have had low fuel warning lights for forty years. Airplanes: Warn you when the fuel pump starts sucking air.

[@voodoo148]

@realvanman true. But even now GA aircraft still have unreliable fuel gauges, Cessna gauges are useless and PA28 ones arn't much better.

[@Shadowtoo2]

I never ever trusted the fuel gauage of any airplane.

[@rowerwet]

@@Shadowtoo2 the FAR only requires for the fuel quantity to be accurate when empty... or so I've been told.

[@Shadowtoo2]

@@rowerwet I really don't know? It's just one of those things they taught us from day one. The best thing one can do is install a fuel totaliser.

[@donkeyslayer4661]

When you start considering backfires a warning device, it's too late.

[@markmaki4460]

"You mean 'E' doesn't mean 'enough', Cap'n?"

[@susanmargaretwills6432]

🤣

[@gettothepoint2707]

Es somebody taste my oversized biscuit please...

[@billolsen4360]

Shirley you can't be serious

[@gettothepoint2707]

@@billolsen4360 I am serious and don't call me Shirley.

[@billolsen4360]

@@gettothepoint2707 😂

[@camwebber5313]

Very good video, but there’s something you’re missing - the pilot dove the plane immediately realizing the situation, forfeiting a lot of his altitude which he realized later and then leveled off but by this point it was too late. Then I watched as the pilot and copilot struggled to maintain airspeed and altitude to reach the airport. I know because I was one of the nurses in the back. But overall this was well done. Thank you!

[@cogitoergospud1]

Nice to hear from someone who was on board. It adds nice context to the video. Very happy you and everyone else weren’t injured.

[@SSIyer]

Omg cant imagine what you must have been through. I'm so glad all of u made it out of that situation alive. I hope the pilots were held accountable for criminal negligence.

[@PanduPoluan]

First of all, so glad to hear that all of you survived. I hope none of you had serious injuries. Second, your additional info... gosh, I was still a bit forgiving before, but the decision to lose a lot of altitude... like, whaaat?!?! Okay, the two pilots are worse than just "amateurs"...

[@Halakah7]

So what became of the FO? Surely they didn't keep him onboard after that incident... Would he ever be allowed to fly again for anyone?

[@rowerwet]

@@Halakah7 the PIC is responsible for the safety of the aircraft, including fuel. I worked for a freight operator that had a number of pilots with some sort of black mark on their record, one crashed an aircraft, another was a registered sex offender. They might still have jobs, just not the best.

[@guidospaini7339]

What went wrong: Gross incompetence went wrong. These two captains lack a basic skill required even for flying a Cub or a 172 in any Cross Country fly: plane supervision and fuel management. They don't belong to the cockpit of a commercial plane, not even a private plane. Procedures are not substitute for incompetence and negligence. It is a management problem, that has to be capable of search, ASSESS and train to requirements (and RE-ASSESS?) of COMPETENT personnel for a commercial flying operation.

[@rustystove8410]

Typical day in Loserpeg. Winnipeg = Loserpeg.

[@westernstar4964]

Two highly trained professionals sat in an aircraft and took off without fuel, not once did they peep at the gauge during the flight. This is one of the most amazing stories of all time.

[@haiwatigere6202]

I expect this in Pakistan where 30% pilots are fake

[@sonjastarr1364]

When one is being traained on a training flight, that is NOT the same as " two highly trained" individuals. The teacher should have done better but I wouldn't blaame the student.

[@svenolofandersson2572]

My guess is that they were checking out the nurses instead.

[@shreddder999]

But it's Canada. Search for information on the Gimli Glider.

[@marksmith8079]

@@sonjastarr1364 He was being trained to be a captain from being a first officer- he should be good at standard procedures. He was still highly trained just not with the assurance to take total control of an aircraft in all conditions.

[@j2simpso]

What is it with Canadian airlines and running out of fuel over Manitoba? That being said, I suspect if Bob Pearson was piloting it they would've been able to glide the bird into Churchill with knots of range left to spare!

[@plaidmoon5642]

Careful now. Let's not get knots of range confused with miles of wind.

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

Yeah, besides feathering the prop, should they have been at full flaps with gear down? Wouldn't half flaps be the way to go, and wait on full flaps and gear as long as possible? I mean you'd go in fast, but fast on a runway is better than smooth into a forest. Not a pilot, so just guessing.

[@ThatSB]

Knots of range? Do you understand the units of measurement you are using?

[@thatguyalex2835]

@@ThatSB He meant to say nautical miles of range, not nautical miles per hour (knots). We all make mistakes. Lol... :)

[@kevinbarry71]

If everything had gone right? For example having two pilots who knew what the hell they were doing

[@Hawker900XP]

Feathering the engine and leaving the gear up longer may of made the difference. Someone left two sets of wheels on the ice. 😆

[@paulmallery6719]

Rough.

[@andyhill242]

This has to be one of the biggest OOPSes of all time!

[@Syclone0044]

I dunno, this seems like nothing compared to the KLM 747 pilot in Tenerife who decided to takeoff before he received clearance from ATC..

[@larryscott3982]

Not even a top ten oops. “Gimli Glider". The accident is commonly blamed on mistaking pounds for kilograms, which resulted in the aircraft carrying only 45% of its required fuel load...” Varig flight 254 “...The flight had several intermediate stopovers, the last being in Marabá, Pará. Prior to takeoff from Marabá, the crew entered an incorrect heading into the flight computer, flying deep into a remote area of the Amazon jungle....” and had no idea where they were. Just kept flying hoping figure out where they were and where they could land. Turkish airliner gear up, too fast, bounce and failed go around. There’s much worse.

[@raynus1160]

@@Syclone0044 Thanks - was just going to post the same thing.

[@wazza33racer]

I wonder if the nurses were smoking hot and the 2 pilots were just thinking with................their undercarriage.

[@sonjastarr1364]

That could explain aa lot. Lmao

[@svenolofandersson2572]

Yep, checking their guages...

[@Fomites]

The nurses may have been men.

[@Fomites]

And the pilots may have been women :-)

[@ilogos8124]

@@Fomites Yes, that’s why the original comment didn’t mention their gender.... Captain and nurse are non-gendered words

[@russhillis]

Just feathering the prop on the failed engine would have gotten them to the runway without damaging the airframe.

[@mikestone9129]

The first thing they should have done (after they confirmed the engine out), was feather the inop engine. PIC should have called,"my plane" and took control. They did several other things either to late or out of sequence. Had they followed correct engine out procedure they could have made it to the airport.

[@imaPangolin]

The video said they completed the engine shutdown checklist. I haven’t flown a king air but is feathering the engine part of that checklist?

[@frogsgottalent1106]

If the " captain " could NOT REMEMBER if he fuelled the aircraft or not. He does NOT poses the faculty required to be a safe and trustworthy pilot.

[@carl11547]

The reason checklists are used in aviation is precisely because humans forget steps of even very familiar procedures. They only work if you actually *follow* the checklist, though.

[@SillyPuddy2012]

This is a matter of the FO forgetting to have the plane fueled, not one of him *not* remembering if he had done so or not. BIG difference there you clown.

[@gnypp45]

@@SillyPuddy2012 I don't agree. Yes, the FO forgot to fuel the airplane, that's not the point. But not reacting when the fuel calculations were made with a "D'oh, I forgot to fuel the airplane!" is very concerning behavior. That should have been a wake-up call! It is as if he believed that he _had_ fueled the plane after all, and the many reminders about fuel status throughout the flight didn't make him remember either.

[@rabartels]

Shouldn't they have a refulling receipt ?. I thought that was mandatory to have. If the instructor captain takes over . I think he explicitly has to say I have control and the other pilot. You have control.

[@hrgiyzueghe]

@@gnypp45 It's 50/50, but the F/O was an instructor: I mean, come on, you're supposed to train other pilots and you have the responsibility to check if he's doing anything wrong, here everything was done wrong. Not fueling the aircraft, no before takeoff checklist, no fuel calculations nor checks, failure to understand what the problem was (descending without fuel?), failure to properly respond to the emergency (not feathering the engines). All these things should have been pointed out by the instructor captain. Imagine you're training to get your driving license, and the instructor doesn't point out you should use the handbrake or use the blinkers or Stop to a Stop sign. Yes, you're supposed to remember these things, but the instructor's there to help you learn from your mistakes and make sure you don't put yourself or others in danger. Because when you're training you can forget even the most basic things, as you're not used to drive a car.

[@marshallcoleman8061]

Both pilots were very complacent. They were very lucky to land the plane and walk away!!!

[@markofsatan9617]

Complacent ...do you mean incompetent?

[@garydrew2360]

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to check the fuel gauges a few times during the flight, before you run dry?

[@kevinbarry71]

With pilots like those; who needs enemies.

[@j2simpso]

FO: "Looks like we're running low on fuel Pilot: "Nah, the needle just looks like its pointing on Empty from your angle" FO: "What's this fuel pressure warning" Pilot: "Don't worry about it, we've got reserve!" Autopilot: "whoop whoop pull up" Pilot: "Darn autopilot, I'll just glide this one in!"

[@sarahalbers5555]

Great comment, at the same time, wtf?

[@kevinbarry71]

@@lesleier you don't know what you're talking about. It was not one mistake. They should've caught it multiple times while in flight. Or before they left the ground. They didn't do their checklist properly or at all. Laziness coupled with incompetence. Enjoy watching more videos in your mothers basement

[@lesleier]

@@kevinbarry71 Kevin, thank you for your armchair post. Please post the # of hours of you possess, PIC, etc. They made a mistake, critical of course but have you lived a flawless life/flight career? I guess you've never investigated a incident/accident? Not making excuses for this crew, they screwed up, but if you're flawless, please post your logbook/license/etc. Trust me, I left my mother's basement, 35 years ago.

[@lesleier]

@@kevinbarry71 the interesting part of investigating is dealing with the primadonnas who think that their careers/decisions have been flawless. If you think that you're beyond repute, please post the company you work for, as well of the crews you've worked with. I would love to question them and see how well, you've excelled in dealing with every situation, dealt with.

[@paultune1696]

I once knew a guy who had a private pilots licence. Apparently he once calculated his fuel in litres instead of gallons and ended up running out of fuel and crashing into a house on the approach to the airport. He was so arrogant he blamed it on the house owner for having her house in the wrong place!

[@PsychoKat90]

"Eyyy I'm flyin' here! Who moved the airport and put a house here?"

[@sonjastarr1364]

O_O

[@mnztr1]

Several ways they could have easily made it to the runway 1) divert immediately, 2) feather the first engine and even if the missed that feather both when the 2nd engine stopped 3) delay lowering of gear 4) could they have used a lower flap setting or delayed flaps? Any one of these on their own would have got them to the runway I suspect as they were soooo close.

[@Halakah7]

One of the nurses onboard agrees as well: "...the pilot dove the plane immediately realizing the situation, forfeiting a lot of his altitude which he realized later and then leveled off but by this point it was too late. Then I watched as the pilot and copilot struggled to maintain airspeed and altitude to reach the airport." (Cam Webber)