The Pioneer Hotel Fire | A Short Documentary | Fascinating Horror

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@seandelap6268
@seandelap6268 2 жыл бұрын
I like how this channel consistently covers tragedies I've never heard of and you don't see covered elsewhere.
@christopherweise438
@christopherweise438 2 жыл бұрын
I was just going to say that, but you beat me to it. I consider myself a history nerd, and this channel consistently surprises me.
@BrenMurphy1
@BrenMurphy1 2 жыл бұрын
Keep it going, use " consistently " in every subsequent comment in this thread 💫
@CORNERSUNDERATTACK
@CORNERSUNDERATTACK 2 жыл бұрын
Hoping to continuously continue on with the continues…
@EM-wt6qe
@EM-wt6qe 2 жыл бұрын
That's my favorite part too
@conradallen9864
@conradallen9864 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a New Zealander/Kiwi and the Tangiwai rail disaster was taught in primary schools, growing up. So, not unknown here in NZ. However the vast majority of what this channel presents is certainly unknown to me. Great coverage!
@perpetuallity7284
@perpetuallity7284 2 жыл бұрын
This has probably been mentioned before, but, on behalf of the deaf and hard of hearing viewers, thank you so much for the excellent subtitles. They are the best I've ever seen :D
@jeremytravis360
@jeremytravis360 2 жыл бұрын
Ditto. I appreciate the perfect subtitles as well. and I have mentioned before. Thats why I only have a few subscriptions on KZbin.
@jbrubin8274
@jbrubin8274 2 жыл бұрын
You’re absolutely correct on both points. 👏💯 One- those who are deaf or have a family member who is, knows just how important those cc can be. Two- Yes it has been mentioned beforehand. But I like that it happens so often. Maybe if the other content creators see how much noise we make in the comments section they’ll catch on too. 🤞
@natas3.14
@natas3.14 2 жыл бұрын
I was completely unaware, & immediately upon reading your comment, I tapped the ( CC) icon. I will agree, his subtitles are topnotch. No misses, or verbal substitutions, & I don't know that I have ever seen a more appropriate speed. In a word, perfect! ... unfortunately yes, hearing impairment is a rather harsh reality for me, 100% loss in right ear, &, ( or, I could say " but only") 15- 20% in left. Haven't seen the doc in regards, since I finally got a neat, near invisible hearing aid, thought..."huh, I forgot how much noise is just always present. My ol' lady talked to me about visiting her sister, garage sales, stuff, more stuff, I couldn't just turn my head, so suddenly realized it was the only time I could mow. Somehow I guess I lost that little miracle, in the 2.5 acres that was my lawn. Figured I may have accidentally ran it over with the mower. Just haven't had the heart to face the doc, that was 3 years ago.
@P_RO_
@P_RO_ 2 жыл бұрын
I'm hard of hearing too, but able to clearly hear these videos due to9 the 4excellent audio quality and volume. I have to strain to hear most of what's on YT and it's refreshing when I don't.
@andrewbrundin6953
@andrewbrundin6953 2 жыл бұрын
Love this channel!!
@g.sergiusfidenas6650
@g.sergiusfidenas6650 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely disgusting what they did to Taylor, that's victim number 30 of this incident.
@pieterdebie4162
@pieterdebie4162 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, these are 2 tragedies in one episode.
@BellaBarossa
@BellaBarossa 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree.
@Nostripe361
@Nostripe361 2 жыл бұрын
@@pieterdebie4162 Not only did an innocent man get out in prison, but if it really was arson, then the real criminal got away with mass murder.
@knickd1979
@knickd1979 2 жыл бұрын
I’m the one who suggested this topic to the creator of FH. While there was reason for doubt, there was also evidence against him that wasn’t mentioned by FH. For example, when police apprehended him he had a ridiculous amount of matches in his pockets. He also was spotted near the origins. It’s not definitive either way, but he got released because the science behind the investigations was weak in 1970
@madhippy3
@madhippy3 2 жыл бұрын
You beat me to it. What a mess. He might be a live but he will never get those decades back. And the deal he made so the city could save face still accuses him of the crime! No justice at all!!!
@RobynS9722
@RobynS9722 2 жыл бұрын
Sad about Taylor. Wrongful convictions break my heart. I can't imagine going to prison for something I didn't do. Thank you once again for a fascinating, yet horrific, story.
@ashotofmercury
@ashotofmercury 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 That doesn't mean he was an arsonist!! 🤦‍♀
@puddinpop1312
@puddinpop1312 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 that's not worth 28 life sentences
@Annie_Annie__
@Annie_Annie__ 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 So not repaying the company for a few dollars of drinks is worth 28 life sentences in prison?!
@Annie_Annie__
@Annie_Annie__ 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 And how was he supposed to repay the company when he’s been in prison since 1970? With what money? Not a lot of money to be made when you’re wrongfully behind bars.
@ABrit-bt6ce
@ABrit-bt6ce 2 жыл бұрын
They found the brown guy so case closed. Don't hate me hate whoever thought that in the first place.
@ChristionGirl45
@ChristionGirl45 2 жыл бұрын
I could never imagine having to make the choice between jumping to my death or being burned alive. What I've learned from all of these fire related videos, is that if the owners of these building's would have the proper fire prevention tools installed, sprinklers, fire alarms, smoke detectors, etc. Then the fire could of been either prevented or at least tamed enough that people from the higher floors could have a chance to escape. This is why cutting corners when it comes to safety features is a big old No, No!!
@BitterBetty76
@BitterBetty76 2 жыл бұрын
They needed some updates that's (for fire) for sure .
@RICDirector
@RICDirector 2 жыл бұрын
It was the SEVENTIES, people. Much of what is standard now didnt exist then.
@evil1by1
@evil1by1 2 жыл бұрын
@@RICDirector you say that like that was prehistoric. First sprinkler invention: 1812 Fire alarm: 1852 Electrical fire alarm: 1890 Heat based smoke detector: 1902 Ionization smoke detector available:1951 First modern style smoke detector:1965 First battery operated modern detector: 1970 So yeah they had *all* these to chose from and they chose to do nothing
@MegaBrokenstar
@MegaBrokenstar 2 жыл бұрын
They didn’t cut any corners. This was the most advanced fire safety system available when the building was built. Fire retardant wood and carpet didn’t exist in 1929.
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 2 жыл бұрын
This stirred heartbreaking memories of 9/11 and the indelible images of the towers’ desperate “jumpers” seared on our collective American minds. RIP those lost.
@Lavender_and_lemonade
@Lavender_and_lemonade 2 жыл бұрын
I work in fire/police dispatch and am always fascinated by how earlier disasters change and effect how we do things now.
@cheeriosforhonkies8867
@cheeriosforhonkies8867 2 жыл бұрын
The Winecoff Hotel fire of December 7, 1946, was the deadliest hotel fire in United States history, (and still is) killing 119 hotel occupants, including the hotel's original owners. This is a much more interesting fire as it was the start of ALL fire safety regulations across the United States. Which btw makes THIS fire so much more like intentional homicide! So much was learned in 1946 that declaring any building “absolutely fireproof” was a callous, intentional disregard for all human life! This would be a great disaster to cover. This happened in Atlanta , GA
@Hannah_Em
@Hannah_Em 2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean about this fire being more like intentional homicide? I'm not sure I follow the logic
@argylewarrior1
@argylewarrior1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hannah_Em the 1946 fire predates this one, and a lot of the lessons from that fire were disregarded. similar to how the grenfell tower fire was a disaster because of how the building was renovated with improperly installed and inappropriate materials. if you build something unsafe and misrepresent it as the safest ever and then people are harmed, liability is a thing. if you intentionally created a blatantly unsafe situation for profit, and a death resulted, you could argue that the premeditated crime with knowingly fatal consequences would amount to murder. it'd be a tough case to prosecute, and the responsible parties were dead, so it's a little moot.
@dinascharnhorst6590
@dinascharnhorst6590 2 жыл бұрын
The start of all fire safety regulations? Not the Cocoanut Grove fire of 1942, the Hartford, Connecticut/Barnum and Bailey Circus fire of 1944, or the Iroquois Theater fire of 1903?
@ralphm5801
@ralphm5801 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know this was a contest. Hopefully the victims of any catastrophic fire are treated with respect irregardless of their differing locations/circumstances.
@henryturnerjr3857
@henryturnerjr3857 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing you could proclaim something "fireproof" despite having very little safety precautions and being constructed of 98% flammable materials and people would just BELIEVE it! That's why I am thankful for the Fire, health and OSHA inspectors although most people regard it as a hassle.
@bobblebardsley
@bobblebardsley 2 жыл бұрын
You should see what they said about the Titanic 😣
@wheezesanchez5661
@wheezesanchez5661 2 жыл бұрын
I used to be a laborer and I can tell you that even the lowest level grunts thought OSHA was just there to make their lives harder. "No, they exist to make sure you leave this place with all your fingers", I told more than a few.
@christophermerlot3366
@christophermerlot3366 2 жыл бұрын
It's like calling a ship unsinkable.
@WestonEvans
@WestonEvans 2 жыл бұрын
Spoken like someone who’s never pulled a permit in their life
@christopherweise438
@christopherweise438 2 жыл бұрын
See April 15, 1912 for another example. Flawed steel plate with impurities, wrought iron rivets, and bulkheads that didn't make a full seal......yet she was "unsinkable".
@TRex-fu7bt
@TRex-fu7bt 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Taylor getting railroaded for arson and locked up for life is a bonus horror story.
@Cramblit
@Cramblit 2 жыл бұрын
He wasn't railroaded... This video didn't do it justice for everything they had against him and touted it as a "flaky evidence". He was seen by multiple people at the site of origin for both fires. He was caught shortly after with handfuls of matches in his pockets. Oh and he's also back in prison for life after only 4 years out because of armed robbery charges and other charges... So yea... let your heart bleed for this worthless fuck, he got what he deserved the first time around.. He killed all those people by setting that fire.
@Willpower-74205
@Willpower-74205 2 жыл бұрын
One of the things I like the most about these videos is the lessons that people learn in the wake of tragedies like this. Sometimes all it takes is someone to stand up and say, "We can't let something like this happen again!" Lesson learned. Another thing I like are the improvements and/or preventative measures taken afterward so that such tragedies don't happen again. Another excellent video! 😎👍
@lesmorrow226
@lesmorrow226 2 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you’ve never done an episode on the Winecoff Fire, the deadliest hotel fire in the US.
@sixstringedthing
@sixstringedthing 2 жыл бұрын
42 years for the crime of being Black/Mexican near a major disaster. Not-so-fun fact: The civil statute of limitation for wrongful imprisonment in Arizona is only 1 year, but whoever negotiated Taylor's release included a "no contest" condition as part of his plea bargain just to make sure that he could not sue the state for damages even if he wanted to. Even after forty-two years, the great State of Arizona was not done screwing with this guy. Poor bloke. And may the victims rest in peace.
@Anna-Rose-
@Anna-Rose- 2 жыл бұрын
That's what happened to the West Memphis 3. Absolutely no evidence against them. They were straight railroaded. They were released after agreeing to an Alford Plea.
@princeofcupspoc9073
@princeofcupspoc9073 2 жыл бұрын
If he wanted, he could get that agreement overruled in a higher court. Without too much problem.
@cjclark2002
@cjclark2002 2 жыл бұрын
Admission of guilt if you ask me, disgusting.
@piragintheevercorpulent1526
@piragintheevercorpulent1526 2 жыл бұрын
@@cjclark2002 do you mean that Taylor was guilty? If so, then that's baffling because his only other choice would have been to remain in prison despite finally given a chance to leave after 40 years.
@cjclark2002
@cjclark2002 2 жыл бұрын
@@piragintheevercorpulent1526 no, the states terms to release him is practically as admission of responsibility and guilt.
@daysiewaysie
@daysiewaysie 2 жыл бұрын
not only is each tragedy completely engrossing, excellently researched and delivered in compassionate and sympathetic manner, but i also find i'm broadening my vocabulary and being introduced to new words with each new episode. This channel is simply excellent. Not too far now until the fully deserved 1M subscribers
@Ihateschoolsobadly
@Ihateschoolsobadly 2 жыл бұрын
Facts. Nothing but appreciation and love for this channel.
@ridethasno
@ridethasno 2 жыл бұрын
2:14am here in Washington State US. Sending love to whoever reads this. ❤️
@lisa.user-xm7kz2tb6x
@lisa.user-xm7kz2tb6x 2 жыл бұрын
Hello from Wisconsin originally from Chi, Sup? 🙂✌️
@robertthomson1587
@robertthomson1587 2 жыл бұрын
Sydney, Australia at 7.28pm
@Lisa_0519
@Lisa_0519 2 жыл бұрын
18:40 Korean time 🌅 Make this a great one (morning, day or night)!
@sandybruce9092
@sandybruce9092 2 жыл бұрын
I remember the Pioneer Hotel fire very well. I lived in Phoenix almost my whole life (1955-2003) and had just started dated a guy who live in Tucson (we were in college - ASU - at the time). The accountability for the fire was totally mishandled in so many ways.
@rogerhinman5427
@rogerhinman5427 2 жыл бұрын
And nobody from the fire department was held accountable for dismissing three calls of the fire as a prank. Maybe if they had responded in the manner of a proper fire department they wouldn't have had to act so heroically, and more lives would have been saved.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 2 жыл бұрын
Because its hearsay and the evidence doesn't support it. If they hadn't responded immediately, they wouldn't have arrived "within minutes."
@Unownshipper
@Unownshipper 2 жыл бұрын
Are you an actual firefighter? I get you indignation, but be logical: how much difference would that have made? How much time was actually wasted checking if it was a prank? 5 minutes? The layout, finishing, height, and ventilation of the building caused the fire to spread so quickly, not the response time of the responders. Even if they went into action immediately after the first call, the blaze still would've been out of control. If it was a modern building, then yes I agree every second counts, but with this chimney of a structure they were dealing with, once the fire started, there wasn't much they could do for the victims on the top 3 floors. With that, I instead focus on the frankly heroic work the department did with what little resources they had.
@rogerhinman5427
@rogerhinman5427 2 жыл бұрын
@@nobodyspecial4702 They arrived within minutes of seeing the glow of the fire on the horizon, not within minutes of receiving the calls.
@rogerhinman5427
@rogerhinman5427 2 жыл бұрын
@@Unownshipper And what's your point? MY point is that after getting three calls about the fire whomever was in charge decided they were all prank calls and did nothing until the glow of the fire was visible in the sky. Defend them all you want, that is still unacceptable decision-making and there should have been an investigation as to why he made that decision. As to the rest of your response, that's merely conjecture about what may have happened based upon reasoning you figure acceptable to support your argument. Oh, and yes, I did receive training as a firefighter, though I pursued a career in the army instead.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 2 жыл бұрын
@@rogerhinman5427 Ok, whatever you say. Since the Arizona Historical Society, Tucson Fire Foundation and Pima County records all fail to mention firefighters not responding because they thought it was a prank, I'll bow down to your infinite wisdom that they did.
@tylascano2300
@tylascano2300 2 жыл бұрын
As an AZ native I have never heard of this and appreciate the history!
@mrhead6856
@mrhead6856 2 жыл бұрын
great school system you have not teaching local history
@lisa.user-xm7kz2tb6x
@lisa.user-xm7kz2tb6x 2 жыл бұрын
Me too & I'm old enough. How things were so hidden from US State to US State, except by word of mouth!!!
@Judgeangels
@Judgeangels Жыл бұрын
@@mrhead6856 yep they're more worried about teaching us about the same old same old
@chickenlittle5095
@chickenlittle5095 2 жыл бұрын
I see a common issue. An unsinkable ship…… a fireproof hotel…..
@christophermerlot3366
@christophermerlot3366 2 жыл бұрын
The sky falling...
@balltongue666
@balltongue666 2 жыл бұрын
A chocolate teapot
@jimcosson
@jimcosson 2 жыл бұрын
Have you considered covering the 1946 Winecroff Hotel fire in Atlanta, Georgia, USA? It's a good fit with your channel and I don't recall seeing it here. I am, as always, fascinated by the horrifying content you provide. Great lessons in every video, all respectfully done. Thanks!
@justinlane1980
@justinlane1980 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is so interesting. Thanks for the great content!
@irishsakura1
@irishsakura1 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t stress enough how much I LOVE this channel.
@mattscudder1975
@mattscudder1975 2 жыл бұрын
One of the annoying things about this case is that the investigating police officer was massively racist and focused on the one black youth seen at the scene and decided that it must have been him that started the fire. There’s a clip of the cop saying that he knows it was Louis Taylor as “[mild racist slur] have a history of setting small fires or setting of the fire alarm so they can rob the rooms”. This over looks the fact that the original fire investigation said that there was two fires that started at the same time, that Louis Taylor was seen running from door to door banging on them to inform people about the fire but at no point did he go into any of the rooms as was rushing off to the next one as soon as it was clear the guest was coming or the room was empty and it ignores the fact that it would be incredibly daft and risky to start a fire and then stay in the building to rob it.
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully the bastard burns in hell for his racist actions that ruined a man's life
@miapdx503
@miapdx503 2 жыл бұрын
Always the scapegoat...a crime that always goes unpunished.
@argylewarrior1
@argylewarrior1 2 жыл бұрын
no racist slurs are mild.
@sjeabee5345
@sjeabee5345 2 жыл бұрын
Woke up with a headache, so glad I saw you post, great work as always!
@KristenDETW
@KristenDETW 2 жыл бұрын
That's always the worst, hope you feel better.
@sjeabee5345
@sjeabee5345 2 жыл бұрын
@@KristenDETW Thank you!! (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤
@misslesslie2235
@misslesslie2235 2 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain. I have daily headaches (migraines). Hope you are feeling better.
@sjeabee5345
@sjeabee5345 2 жыл бұрын
@@misslesslie2235 thank you so much! You guys really made my morning. I appreciate you.
@dorian4534
@dorian4534 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for including the wrongful conviction in this video.
@Cramblit
@Cramblit 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't a wrongful conviction.... This video didn't do it justice for everything they had against him and touted it as a "flaky evidence". He was seen by multiple people at the site of origin for both fires. He was caught shortly after with handfuls of matches in his pockets. He was known as an arson from previous little things he had done, or tried to set fire too, and was known as a thief. Oh and he's also back in prison for life after only 4 years out because of armed robbery charges and other charges... So yea... let your heart bleed for this worthless fuck, he got what he deserved the first time around.. He killed all those people by setting that fire.
@sisiclark583
@sisiclark583 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up not only in Tucson, but with family members in the Tucson Fire Department, this was such a cool video to watch. I drive by that building every time I head to downtown, and have been told it’s history by the fire fighters I grew up around. Thank you for an awesome video. (I will admit, it was kinda weird seeing my hometown in one of your videos, but in a fan way)
@knickd1979
@knickd1979 2 жыл бұрын
Yay! This was my topic suggestion made a few months ago!! Great job FH!!!
@natas3.14
@natas3.14 2 жыл бұрын
Your presentation of this case was exceptional! Oddly, I find I don't comment, or commend that often; but, I feel I should as Fascinating Horror has never uploaded anything that wasn't astonishing, interesting, well researched, & delivered in a professional manner. So, I guess saying thanks for sharing your work efforts would be more befitting.
@TheSaneHatter
@TheSaneHatter 4 ай бұрын
I visited my late mother TWICE in Tucson, back in to 2010s, and it shows how thoroughly the city has buried this incident, that I never heard of this hotel before watching this video.
@Hey_Jamie
@Hey_Jamie 2 жыл бұрын
“Hello, this is the fire department how can I help you?” “HELP!!! There’s a huge fire at the Pioneer hotel!! Billowing smoke, we can’t breathe!!” *long pause* “Ooooooooh that’s a good prank! Alright have a nice evening!”
@zachfarmer8284
@zachfarmer8284 2 жыл бұрын
Great content as always
@melmazing3993
@melmazing3993 2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel it's so interesting!
@MandieASMR
@MandieASMR 2 жыл бұрын
This channel really does take the time to give quality details about these places and their history. It doesn’t sound like someone is just reading word for word from an online article. Fantastic job on these videos. Thank you.
@emowolferin7681
@emowolferin7681 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so happy that you’re covered the story the pioneer hotel fire is a story that I’ve grown up with. my dad actually worked on the second floor of the Pioneer until 2012 and the second floor was actually used as a temporary morgue after the fire was put out.
@davidvandenakker
@davidvandenakker 2 жыл бұрын
I know it is a questionable desire, but I do hope history has enough disasters left in store to feed this extraordinary channel for as long as I live. Its fact-oriented, respectful and humane approach is an oasis in the barren social media landscape.
@MaiAolei
@MaiAolei 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, I am sure the presenter has a bookshelf full of to-be-done stories. A questionable desire, for sure, but one I definitely share.
@quillmaurer6563
@quillmaurer6563 2 жыл бұрын
There's surely hundreds, if not thousands, of untold disaster stories that most of us have never heard of. You'd run out of the highly publicized and globally remembered ones pretty quickly, but look a little deeper and you'll find lifetimes' worth.
@jessaa444
@jessaa444 2 жыл бұрын
It’s crazy that I have lived in Arizona my entire life and haven’t heard about this case. That’s what I love about this channel, you always cover unique cases that aren’t very well known. Thank you for all your consistent hard work!
@sandy-pf9bb
@sandy-pf9bb 2 жыл бұрын
I admire the way you always point out any thing positive that resulted. Thank you for reminding us to look for the silver lining
@Dovietail
@Dovietail 2 жыл бұрын
Hard to believe that people used to live in hotels like this. My great grandmother lived in the Irvin S. Cobb Hotel in Paducah, KY toward the end of her life in the 1960s.
@theondebray
@theondebray 2 жыл бұрын
Some still do live in hotels, so much cheaper than renting + bills.
@AxionSmurf
@AxionSmurf 2 жыл бұрын
Hey dude, seems like I've seen like 50 or more of your presentations. Glad you're still at it.
@christopherbrooks4295
@christopherbrooks4295 2 жыл бұрын
Notification gang hell yea never miss an upload
@TransistorBased
@TransistorBased Жыл бұрын
Why do people keep insisting their buildings/vehicles/infrastructure are indestructible?? This channel is a testament to that
@countesscable
@countesscable 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I here the music and the calm delivery, I am already fascinated! I agree: I haven’t heard many of these tragedies.
@EstorilEm
@EstorilEm 2 жыл бұрын
Getting a fire like that under control within an hour is absolutely astonishing - I’m glad the fire department got additional funding, but even so they did an amazing job.
@pyrospark4167
@pyrospark4167 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad Taylor was able to be released from a sentence he didn’t deserve, but, I still have to wonder what started the fire? Was it arson and the true culprit was never found? Was it an accident? How does a fire originate from two spots at the same time? 🤔
@johndouglas5712
@johndouglas5712 2 жыл бұрын
You read my mind . There was no mention of exactly what was used to start the fire and no evidence presented , at least here , that Taylor was anywhere near the Fourth floor
@alanbugler4404
@alanbugler4404 2 жыл бұрын
He is back in prison again. Armed robbery.
@johndouglas5712
@johndouglas5712 2 жыл бұрын
@@alanbugler4404 Sad but I’m still unclear of any evidence to tie him to this fire
@2760ade
@2760ade 2 жыл бұрын
Fire DOESN'T just start in two different places simultaneously!! I have read more about this incident and about Taylor. He was set free as the evidence was found retrospectively not to be strong enough to have convicted him. Doesn't mean he didn't set the fires though? And as someone else pointed out, he is back in prison, so who knows!!
@alanbugler4404
@alanbugler4404 2 жыл бұрын
@@lionheart94 yeah, the article I read said he was struggling to adapt to outside life, and was in dire a financial position.
@truecrime59
@truecrime59 2 жыл бұрын
Another Fascinating video... I cannot imagine being trapped in a hotel room while a fire rages at your door. Scary and very tragic event.
@knickd1979
@knickd1979 2 жыл бұрын
I'm seeing lots of "experts" making strong comments about Taylor's "innocence" after watching this 10 minute (albeit great) video on the Pioneer. First things first, Taylor wasn't just plucked from the crowd because of his skin tone. Believe it or not, there was some incriminating evidence to suggest he might've started the fire but didn't necessarily plan on it killing dozens of people. What the video left out is that Taylor had 5 boxes of matches in his pockets when apprehended. Believe it or not, he was a juvenile delinquent who liked to have fun with fire. If you want to gather some facts and info before making up your mind, there are multiple videos on youtube that show full interviews with some of the arresting officers. and don't forget that the real victims here are the children that were thrown from the highest floors in hopes of landing on a 8 inch mattress (they missed).
@aformerhiro7383
@aformerhiro7383 2 жыл бұрын
I've lived in Tucson for half my life, but I've never heard about this, this is fascinating! Always grateful for the knowledge and awareness you bring to me
@stevensmiseck3526
@stevensmiseck3526 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video. Would love to see one on the 1968 gas explosion that destroyed a part of downtown Richmond, Indiana, and killed 40 or so.
@kleoskandi
@kleoskandi 2 жыл бұрын
I've lived in tucson for almost 20 years and I have never heard of this. Im blown away that this isn't something people know about here.
@kdfulton3152
@kdfulton3152 2 жыл бұрын
Fires are so insidious; they’re brutal and shows no bias to anyone or anything.
@Cadychan
@Cadychan 2 жыл бұрын
What happened to Loius Taylor was unforgivable. AZ owes him so, so much.
@Biffting93
@Biffting93 2 жыл бұрын
Another case I’ve not heard before. I love your channel !!
@knobjob2839
@knobjob2839 2 жыл бұрын
"This building is fireproof!" "This ship is unsinkable!" "This system is fail proof" Take everything with salt.
@lisa.user-xm7kz2tb6x
@lisa.user-xm7kz2tb6x 2 жыл бұрын
I Do. Everything pretty much Is a lie. With ya. ✌️Be well, KJ.
@knobjob2839
@knobjob2839 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about that one. Either way, I only said "ship" not Titanic.
@knobjob2839
@knobjob2839 2 жыл бұрын
The "unsinkable" lable has been applied to MANY ships over history. To the point that it's almost a meme. The Titanic is just the big one in public memory.
@knobjob2839
@knobjob2839 2 жыл бұрын
Ok then 👌😆
@knobjob2839
@knobjob2839 2 жыл бұрын
If you really read my deleted comment, you would know I didn't mention the Titanic at all. I was saying that the label of "unsinkable" has been thrown around a lot. I e never mentioned the Titanic once. You're fixated on it, and you're making an argument out of nothing.
@ravennevermore853
@ravennevermore853 2 жыл бұрын
I work in the commercial insurance industry and appreciate that you cover the changes that result within the building, transit, or risk management areas from these incidents.
@Iruparazzo
@Iruparazzo 2 жыл бұрын
i love the frenchification of your pronunciation of Tucson lol
@bigbouncer4196
@bigbouncer4196 2 жыл бұрын
Always something different, usually something I haven't heard of, I love it, this is the first upload since I subbed that I haven't been here for when it dropped. Great stuff, please keep it up
@gabriellefox635
@gabriellefox635 2 жыл бұрын
It really upsets me that Taylor was convicted. In other tragedies you covered people who were explicitly at fault walked away without a conviction and yet this man not only gets convicted, but spends several decades in jail before he is released.
@Cramblit
@Cramblit 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love all the people immediately jumping to him being innocent with even less evidence than the police had to convict him... There's a lot that this video didn't point out. (Like he was seen near the points of origins, and that he was caught with tons of matches in his pockets.) But hey for all of you that are still convinced they got the wrong guy.. He's back in prison for armed robbery. So yea.. Innocent... sure... He got what he deserved the first time around..
@case3474
@case3474 2 жыл бұрын
That's racial profiling for you
@karenbee4014
@karenbee4014 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised to come across this video, and I remembered this tragedy. I was 8 yrs old and visiting my grandmother in Tucson on my Christmas break. I remember my grandmother had her black and white TV on while they were reporting the fire on the news. I remember this well because she was crying and praying for those people trapped.
@orangehoof
@orangehoof 2 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed that they put the fire out roughly an hour after it began, despite lacking any way to reach the upper floors. Was arson concluded because of the two points of origin or were there any accelerants found at these two locations? One person can start a fire in two places in rapid time. I found it odd that Taylor plead "no contest" if he was innocent as he claimed. It probably was enough to get him out of jail with time served but if you didn't do it, you didn't do it.
@rugtub3744
@rugtub3744 2 жыл бұрын
Neato. I really needed this.
@micheleshively8557
@micheleshively8557 2 жыл бұрын
Hey I've been watching your videos for some time now. Congratulations on your subscriber count! You completely deserve it! You show us stuff we've never heard about. Thank you for your hard work
@marvindebot3264
@marvindebot3264 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, they railroaded that poor kid and then when they did release him made sure he couldn't sue, what asshats.
@Fenderdfm
@Fenderdfm 2 жыл бұрын
Aaaaaand my Tuesday is complete!! Thank you sir!
@tristantristancraped
@tristantristancraped 2 жыл бұрын
My mother lives in Tucson and I've been visiting for decades. Never had heard of this one. Poor Louie Taylor, I could not imagine being wrongfully convicted for 29 deaths.
@LinkiePup
@LinkiePup 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve live in Arizona, and yeah, this is brought up pretty much anytime a new building is being built locally.
@TheZGal45
@TheZGal45 2 жыл бұрын
I lived in Tucson as a kid yet was never told about this so thank you for covering this event and doing so in such a respectful manner. (Also you're awesome for pronouncing Tuscon right so thanks again)
@BIOHAZARD_V2
@BIOHAZARD_V2 2 жыл бұрын
Your uploads are one of the highlights of my week. I love this channel
@the_once-and-future_king.
@the_once-and-future_king. 2 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain what a 'no contest' plea means in this case? I was under the impression that 'no contest' means you admit to guilt and offer no evidence or mitigation in your defence.
@idlehands1864
@idlehands1864 2 жыл бұрын
It simply means you agree there is enough evidence against you to gain conviction and you profess neither guilt or innocence.
@teen_laqueefa
@teen_laqueefa 2 жыл бұрын
You admit the facts of investigation without admission of criminal intent
@marvindebot3264
@marvindebot3264 2 жыл бұрын
Done so he couldn't sue
@sixstringedthing
@sixstringedthing 2 жыл бұрын
Not a lawyer, but a quick google suggests that a 'no contest' plea simply means that the defendant accepts the charge (and any punitive sentence handed down by the court) and agrees not to pursue any claim for wrongful conviction/imprisonment. It doesn't necessarily require the defendant to admit guilt, although this condition may be included to "seal the deal" or in exchange for a reduced sentence. It's highly like that there's some statute of limitations for civil matters (especially when brought against the state) which would have prevented Taylor from suing for damages in any case, but whoever arranged his release obviously wanted to make damn sure that he would be in no position to sue after losing more than half his adult life imprisoned due to systemic racism.
@the_once-and-future_king.
@the_once-and-future_king. 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, everyone.
@seanharley6432
@seanharley6432 4 ай бұрын
This reminds me of the Wentworth Arms Hotel Fire in Hamilton, Ontario that occurred in the late seventies, early eighties. I can’t remember which year. As far as I know it wasn’t arson. It was a building roughly the same height as the Pioneer Hotel in the downtown area. The building was so dangerous an unsafe after the fire that demolition was started right after the fire. I remember it being a very stately building. Too bad it was lost. More importantly my condolences to anyone lost loved ones in both of these horrible fires!
@pblack19141
@pblack19141 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing with us history that has been mostly forgotten, You Are Amazing.
@slimtimm1
@slimtimm1 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, you are what we call a "CLASS ACT!" Keep them coming please...
@kimhohlmayer7018
@kimhohlmayer7018 2 жыл бұрын
If you ever get the opportunity, you should visit Tucson. It’s an amazing place culturally, historically and in its natural beauty.
@GothicaBeauty
@GothicaBeauty 2 жыл бұрын
That famous phrase of “absolutely fire proof” is rung out again!
@jenkins676
@jenkins676 2 жыл бұрын
I think I'm getting addicted to hearing this intro/outro music.
@raymondleggs5508
@raymondleggs5508 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fireproof means it's very flammable.
@Bootricia
@Bootricia 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your voice and style of narration. You don’t speak too fast or too slow. And your default song is 😘👌 Thank you for these educational videos, and for always respecting the victims as well. 🙏
@GolfPrincessCL
@GolfPrincessCL 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for including Taylor. Travesty of justice (again).
@blinderII
@blinderII 2 жыл бұрын
...been subscribed and have been following your channel for some time now. I always give the videos a like before i even watch them because i know they're going to be good. Thanks for all the fascinating stories!
@Idontcaremuch1000
@Idontcaremuch1000 2 жыл бұрын
This is so similar to the Winecoff Hotel fire that happened in Atlanta back in the 1940s.
@Forflipsake
@Forflipsake 2 жыл бұрын
If Taylor started the fire for a distraction to get away why stay there and help others just to be spotted by many police officers etc. i hope he got paid out some major 💵. Poor kid was just a scapegoat . We’ve seen that many times before sadly .
@marvindebot3264
@marvindebot3264 2 жыл бұрын
No payout because they made him plead no contest in order to be released. A very low act.
@MagixMusik
@MagixMusik 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for giving my home town some love. If you're a Tucson native, you definitely know about the pioneer fire.
@igitha..._
@igitha..._ 2 жыл бұрын
I'd startup a hotel just to live in the penthouse suite. That's a wise real estate investment.
@bobcoleman9045
@bobcoleman9045 2 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great content bro!
@iainmalcolm9583
@iainmalcolm9583 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't know about this tragedy. Thanks for the upload.
@OldMod67
@OldMod67 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fireproof, just like that unsinkable ship back in 1912.... Another fascinating film, thank you!
@MightyMezzo
@MightyMezzo 2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing a “60 Minutes” story on Taylor and the questions around his conviction. I’m glad you made space in your video for him.
@adde9506
@adde9506 2 жыл бұрын
Unless you want a steel plate for a bed or a glass couch, there is no such thing as fireproof furniture. This most likely was arson, and most likely not set by Mr. Taylor. The big culprit in the rapid spread of the fire was the open stairwells. Even by today's standards, that was some really excellent firefighting, and the department still used this as a learning experience and an opportunity to improve themselves and their city.
@eirschu8973
@eirschu8973 2 жыл бұрын
Yesssss I'm among the first people to see this! Hooray!
@opwave79
@opwave79 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video! I don’t know if you already covered it, but I’d like to see your take on the 1981 Manila Film Center tragedy. It’s been covered by other channels and a horror movie was made about it. But it would be cool to see your video on it.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 2 жыл бұрын
"wow, that's the third person claiming there's a fire at that hotel. These pranksters sure are organised... say, what's that orange glow coming from the hotel?"
@arnepianocanada
@arnepianocanada 2 жыл бұрын
Again a fine presentation in your inimitable voice.
@talflick
@talflick 2 жыл бұрын
my favourite day of every week is Fascinating Horror day. Thank you for creating such good content!
@racheldianeames3729
@racheldianeames3729 2 жыл бұрын
please do more videos on more unknown tragedies of the 20th century
@grrlpurpleable
@grrlpurpleable 2 жыл бұрын
I always memorise the route to the nearest fire exit if I stay in a hotel, and work out how to find it from crawling height if completely blacked out too. Counting doorways or radiators along a wall with your hands. It only takes a few minutes and might make all the difference.
@Gail1Marie
@Gail1Marie 2 жыл бұрын
I try not to stay above the fourth floor. Virtually every fire department in a major city in the US has ladders that will reach the fourth floor.
@kg7yts187
@kg7yts187 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for you to do this one.
@P_RO_
@P_RO_ 2 жыл бұрын
While still tragic, a different chain of events where other than the arsonist it's hard to blame anyone for their part in the disaster here. It was quite simply an old building which nobody had given much thought to regards fire safety. Plenty of similar buildings in the US all over, though most places now require retrofitting to meet more modern safety standards. Clearly it was arson, not so clear that Taylor started it. Sadly there's still a social and judicial bias in the US regards some kinds of people. My first Lawyer (RIP) told me the jails are full of people whose only real mistake was not having a good Lawyer representing them, a bias against the poor here which still exists today too. At least some good came of this in Tuscon's firefighters getting enough funding to do their job up to modern standards now.
@genderchaotic
@genderchaotic 2 жыл бұрын
If anything this channel has taught me, it's if they say its "absolutely fireproof"... its going up in flames.
@AlphaZuluPhotography
@AlphaZuluPhotography 2 жыл бұрын
I drive by that building every day. Never really knew the entire story though. Thanks for making this video and including our little town of Tucson.
@TransistorBased
@TransistorBased Жыл бұрын
Person- "help, the hotel is on fire!" Dispatcher- "well that's a dumb joke"
@JenniferWagner13
@JenniferWagner13 Жыл бұрын
The way I winced when you said "absolutely fireproof".... 😬 And the inside is described like a tinderbox. 😬😬
@timmaay7181
@timmaay7181 2 жыл бұрын
Bruuuuuuhhhh. How. Many. Times. Am I going to hear that the building was labeled as “absolutely fireproof” or a ship labeled “completely unsinkable”
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