The Pistons Are The Biggest Disaster In NBA History.

In this video we discuss how the Detroit Pistons have become the most dysfunctional disaster the NBA has ever seen and what happened to get them to this point...
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[@Shortballa11]

it sucks that Cade is at the front of everyone of these pictures. he has played like an all star the last 10 games. It should be Montys face or the GM or Owner

[@suprememike1427]

GM is getting fired don’t worry

[@Shortballa11]

@@suprememike1427Owner already said Troy Weavers job is safe. So I doubt that.

[@autumn975]

I agree! It’s not on the entirely on the players imo

[@jt5604]

I was gonna say that thumbnail pic rubs me the wrong way. "Biggest Losers" with an arrow pointing at Cade meanwhile he's one of the few players worth a damn and clearly gives it his all

[@effaawd]

Thats what ive been sayin. Cade is a dawg.

[@Joefdgtr]

Remember watching the 2020 draft and seeing the teams around the Pistons like Cleveland, Atlanta, Knicks and Phoenix. Since then all have taken off in various ways whereas Pistons has gotten worse and seem so directionless.

[@jtymon24]

It doesn't even make much sense because aside from Killian I like the young talent

[@blooddemon3379]

Wanna know whats crazy? If things keep going like this or get worse, Cade is probably gonna get fed up and try to get outta detroit. But the issue with that is that people will call him a traitor for ditching the team that drafted him. But if he stays, he will go down as a part of one of the worst performances by an nba team in history. Its a lose-lose for Cade.

[@joaocanabrava8500]

He already is on the 27th lose-lose situation. At this point he has nothing to lose.

[@HakeemTheDream616]

No one will call Cade a traitor outside of Pistons fans.

[@jtthegreatone2457]

@@HakeemTheDream616ion even think they would call him a traitor, I think they would understand him for wanting to leave.

[@mimosajd]

@@HakeemTheDream616Not even Pistons fans would call him a traitor. They see the 20+ minutes of Alec Burks and understand why someone would want out

[@bandito241]

Nobody will call him a traitor. This team is this bad.

[@xseekxsupportx7261]

In the era where we probably have the most amount of players that are “elite”we also have the worst team ever

[@_ripVanWinkle_]

this pistons team is more talented than any other bottom feeder in nba history, NBA just too skilled

[@commonsense3921]

@DaarkkSideJ That’s a lie, This roster is horrible.

[@xseekxsupportx7261]

@@_ripVanWinkle_ I fully agree. When the season started I thought they were gonna be kinda nice with it but 2-28 is actually ridiculous for these guys

[@commonsense3921]

@DaarkkSideJ If the Pistons have talent why do they receive credit when they don’t get blown out??

[@NCOMBHOODIE]

the pistons are not worst than the 2012 bobcats/hornets

[@dacoop]

Pistons rebuild didn’t start until they decided to move on from Blake Griffin and D-Rose during the 2020-2021 season. Sekou was under a whole different administration and the 3 picks in 2020 were brought in to do a two timeline thing with Griffin. Rather than trading their players for assets in the 2020 off season, they went out and got vets Grant, Plumlee and Wright to help Griffin make the playoffs. It’s on Gores. Not hiring a GM in 2019 after SVG, not allowing a full rebuild in 2020 before people knew Blake was shot, getting involved in the coaching search this summer. Going back even further, he didn’t fire Dumars in 2013 - instead he gave an ultimatum of making the playoffs or else. Dumars signed Josh Smith and traded Brandon Knight and Kris Middleton for Brandon Jennings, killing the future. Then SVG turned over this roster and got the team back in the playoffs. He whiffed on multiple drafts but won almost every trade until Gores stepped in and forced a trade for Griffin. If you’re going to tell a story, tell it in the proper context.

[@gmdwill]

I actually watched the game they lost to Brooklyn yesterday. They actually showed a lot of fight in that game. They did not seem like a team that was on a record-breaking losing streak. The reason they lost was probably because of James Fool (not Wiseman). Having Jalen Duren back did help somewhat.

[@commonsense3921]

Because Brooklyn is pretty bad themselves, This Detroit team gets credit when they don’t get blown out.

[@blazefactor6849]

The number one issue that game was 100% Alec Burks, man had 15 points and still managed to be -25.

[@RH-hz9ly]

This is where I think the coach is at fault for not making adjustments

[@LetsTalkAbout1125]

Alec Burke sold that game like a bum ass. That 3 was unnecessary

[@gmdwill]

LVP still goes to James Fool. He killed the momentum of every run the Pistons went on by not having basic NBA skills.

[@seandaniels7938]

As a pistons fan this hurts more then I can describe

[@808bboarder]

Stay strong buddy. Cade is a Star. The roster just needs to move off some of those bigs and then need some shooting and another ball handler

[@fragXTwizzL3]

i swear to god if they get another top pick and pick a guard i am going to get an aneurysm.

[@seandaniels7938]

Same we need a sf so fuckin bad Thompson is good but he's a defensive guy when we need scoring so bad

[@mimosajd]

@@seandaniels7938In fairness to Ausar, you can develop that in games. You can get minutes to gain experience…unless you’re in Detroit in which case Isaiah Livers needs 15+ minutes

[@UFOsAreRealArea51]

​@seandaniels7938 a power forward or center would be better. Franchises traditionally look for a big man and build around the big man. I.E. Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, and today ... Webyana or however you spell his name....lol

[@EpicMalick]

​@UFOSAREWEMREALAREA51

[@Allthingslife30]

Feel bad for Cade he’s trying so hard and it’s just not happening despite how great he is 😢

[@jtymon24]

Yeah it's hard... But look at how deep this league is.. there is quality talent on every team

[@farrdawgjoker7087]

I can finally wear my Gerald Wallace Bobcats Jersey without being ashamed or having someone say that he was part of the worst team in the NBA ever! It's about damn time.😂

[@Gear_Saitama]

“My Gerald Wallace bobcats jersey” that’s a crazy statement I never thought I’d hear

[@AguilaDeOnix85]

Nah, I thought they had shipped him out before that to Portland. They blew up the team and drafted Kemba and Bismack Biyombo. And they never got a full season.

[@ob_gynkenobi4014]

Gerald Wallace prime on the Bobcats was honestly really fun to watch.

[@Kbandz313]

I don’t think Killian Hayes has a future here but his Defense is exactly why he’s on the court. He can’t shoot but his vision and defense is solid. He’s only 22 as well he can still develop but not in Today’s NBA unless he’s on the bench and develops a good consistent mid range. Forget about 3s

[@nellyville69]

He a great Athlete with energy but he no point guard

[@kylelang1238]

Bojan wasn’t a FA, he was a trade acquisition from Utah.

[@cmcmcm7]

Killian Hayes is not a non factor on defense. His defense his actually whats keeping him on the court and also why other teams would want him

[@michaelahurt]

He's a non factor. I've watched every single game. Saying he's a non factor is being kind. He dies on screens, gets bullied by anyone over 200 pounds, has zero rim protection and he's not a good help defender. What else is there? I guess he's ok playing passing lanes sometimes. (Just like 99% of NBA guards) What's keeping him on the court is Monty is a conservative coach who would rather play a low turnover player than someone like Ivey who actually makes impact plays. It's like starting Alex Smith over (young) Josh Allen. Smith won't single-handedly lose games, but he can't win them either. It's just death by a thousand cuts instead of going out in a blaze of glory

[@sworddash2365]

​@michaelahurt so you're saying a 6'5 guard isn't good at doing a big's job? Holy shit. Killian Hayes is a fine perimeter defender. I'd go as far as to say he's one of the better defensive guards in the league.

[@michaelahurt]

@@sworddash2365 No. I'm saying he's a bad rim protector for a 6'5" guard. Jaden Ivey is 6'4" but he gets rear contests and can alter shots. Marcus Smart is 6'3" but is a legitimately good rim protector. You want guards who can offer some resistance because they WILL end up in that position, whether it's their job or not Please go watch Alex Caruso or Herb Jones or Derrick White or Jalen Suggs or Anthony Black or Jevon Carter. Then watch Killian. You'll notice a distinct difference between guards who are actually good defensive and Killian. Who everyone assumes is a good defender cause he's 6'5" and looks athletic and why else would he play if he wasn't. He's basically Cameron Payne with a worse jumper

[@greenecarlos93]

⁠@@michaelahurtIvey a terrible defender 😂

[@michaelahurt]

@@greenecarlos93 He certainly looks like a guy who has only played 100 games in terms of his positioning, and his screen navigation is generally poor, but he gives outstanding effort, including second and third efforts which is huge on defense. He's still a net negative at best, but he is able to make plays that only 10% of NBA players can make. Honestly he's probably Detroit's best defensive guard. (Him or Burks. Which is a big reason why they've lost 27 straight or whatever. And that their bigs outside of Duren are even worse than the guards somehow.) All their guards are pretty bad -- Burks is really the only guy who consistently hits his landmarks in help and he's somewhat limited physically at this stage; Killian is ok but way too often he just stands and watches; him and Cade both -- but Jaden is the one guy who pretty consistently makes swing plays that take points off the board because of his second effort, athleticism and aggressiveness.

[@user-it9jp9cp7s]

great vid

[@SonnyK248]

The reason this is the worst team in NBA history is because that Philly team that they took the record from essentially told everyone that they were trying to break the all time losing record. "trust the process" meant they were going to shamelessly try and lose every single game to stack up on as many high picks as possible. And with next years draft being seen as a massive dud I highly doubt the plan in Detroit this season was to lose. It was probably to win and they still knocked the biggest tank job in NBA history off the top spot.

[@fazecreeper1306]

Free Cade 🙁

[@pabblo101]

I'm sorry but losing this many games in a row is wild, especially in today's NBA where everyone has talent on every team.

[@phoenixcampos3144]

Not the pistons as much otherwise they’d win once in a while

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

There's no need to apologize. You're absolutely right.

[@KozyKool2287]

Another example of why tanking does not work. The recent rebuilds from Brooklyn, Memphis, Minnesota, OKC, & Sacramento worked because they hired GM's that had a plan and knew what they wanted as far as building a roster. There's more talent in the league than ever, The defending champions best player was a 2nd Round Pick and the Heat made the Finals with 8 guys that went undrafted on the roster. So where are a guy is picked doesn't matter now. What makes the difference is scouting. And we know that not every team invests in that department as much as they should. Especially now with all the one and dones coming into the league.

[@Rodxyou]

The Detroit Pistons is now the new NBA Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the 70s. The worst losing streak in sports history, continues. The late HC Chuck Daly would be saddened today

[@karimw.9954]

I knew the Pistons were doomed to fail when they insisted on keeping Alec and Bojan & were adamant Isaiah Stewart could work well with Jalen Duren.

[@jorgethegreat]

Nah, NBA History? Charlotte: Hold my beer 😂

[@lawrenceterrell429]

As a Sixers fan I feel their pain because I remember the process years.

[@Lordy2003]

What's the 🔥 beat called?

[@johnnybadmen3473]

Our draft luck is awful, but I believe that it is everything else that's hurting us - Front office not on the same page and poor trade decisions.

[@chanchan05]

It's not entirely draft luck though, there's a measure of GM bad decisions there. Even if the draft picks didn't end up in the top 4, why pick Ivey when you already had Hayes and Cade? Should have either picked the best big on the draft or traded that pick to someone who would have valued Ivey highly.

[@Walrus286]

The daily moral outrage when the Sixers were on this streak during the process years was infuriating. Our GM was forced out by the league for strategic reasons - what’s the punishment for incompetence reasons?

[@leomartino8783]

Everything went wrong when we traded a decent wing player who can sometimes start for a 3rd string center who only touches the floor when there are injuries or fouls

[@alandpost]

Other teams are better run these days. The standards are getting higher, so those that can't keep up really stand out.

[@brandonmoskos9149]

KEEP THE STREAK ALIVE!!!

[@nellyville69]

Demar Derozan would be perfect fit

[@harlequin75]

they chose Hayes over Haliburton and Maxey. They wrote their own fate

[@WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE]

It so ironic that the pistons have a young squad but they failed so miserably while on the other hand the OKC thunder are the 2nd youngest team in the league and they have second best record in the West. lol. It really boils down to picking the right players for your system.

[@joeford5181]

0-16 Lions: How are you that bad?

[@ry_an.]

Bad coaching, bad roster construction, poor effort, poor defense, poor offense Too many problems. My high school team was like this lol

[@leothelion2593]

Culture is important. They’ve got a culture of losing. Having vets mixed in with those young guys to show them how to win in the league is so underrated and you see it with a lot of teams around the NBA. Can’t just have a lot of young guys.

[@ianhenry6874]

They got to be the right vets not just any vets

[@vincentpaulvirtudazo665]

Shows how important conley has been for the twolves

[@leothelion2593]

@@vincentpaulvirtudazo665 exactly, need those guys who prepare and play the right way to help the guys with all that talent build the right habits.

[@Walrus286]

They have multiple vets. They need to trade anybody of value right now and blow this up. Hit your picks and gain a ton of cap flexibility

[@leothelion2593]

@@Walrus286 no one’s coming in FA. No one significant anyway. Bojan and who else? Monte are the vets on that team? Is that enough? Who’s the vocal leader in the locker room?

[@Davivd2]

This team needs competent management. Everything here is bad decision making on managements part.

[@dpledoone]

If you can wait a bit, perhaps you can feature the Raptors?

[@michaelahurt]

Some you weren't alive for the Clippers and it shows. If Detroit does this for *another* 15 years we can talk

[@Schwartzkov]

Verry sad

[@y2kriz06]

The Pistoms maybe one of the losing teams with disastrous campaigns in recent memory, but they're certainly not the worst in History. People forget the Pistons have 3 championships already while at least 12 teams in the NBA do not have any.

[@Bluebirdfalling]

surely you've heard. and stop calling me Shirley. 0:00

[@leojones22]

Ivey made it known to Sacramento that he didnt want to got to the Kings, its why the Kings took Keegan Murray instead

[@skywalker2759]

This is the definition of an incompetent franchise. We need to start putting more blame on the higher ups. And let’s not forget how much their coach is getting paid ……

[@charlesjohnson536]

A TEAM WITH CADE CUNNINGHAM .. JADEN IVEY .. JALEN DUREN .. BOGDONOVIC .. A THOMPSON SHOULD NOT LOSE 20+ GAMES IN A ROW .. THE VANCOUVER GRIZZLIES .. AND CHARLOTTE BOBCATS HAD WAY LESS TALENTED TEAMS ..

[@henrychamberlain6992]

tf happened at 3:21 ?

[@j.s.2767]

"Trust the Restore"

[@gemox3225]

I'm not sure if I'm for the draft lottery. I understand the philosophy, but, if you have the worst record, you should get the first pick.

[@LoneSamurai_X]

Cade's stats are the true definition of empty stats. He gets his numbers when it counts the least, and at it comes the easiest. Stat to know: His team is 0-12 when he scores 30+ points, an NBA record

[@loganmannke9023]

2004, homie that’s two decades ago 🤣

[@Joshuajin5017]

yea the team I root for is losing but their not losing by much since most games were close so I don't see why people are making a big deal out of it since if we just clean up a few things then bam we could easily go on a run but no people will make fun of us since its easy views instead of trying to give constructive criticism and seeing the bigger picture

[@azmadkazzy3481]

Shoulda drafted Melo! 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@t-bonemendez9938]

Melo in 2021 draft? 🤦‍♂️

[@dominiclee5786]

The art of tanking.

[@jokeassasin7733]

The Pistons shouldn’t have left the Palace in Auburn Hills.

[@pandorum67]

Wouldn’t wish being a pistons fan on my worst enemy

[@chrislewis5069]

Has there ever been “the next” of anyone? Seems like we waste a lot picks with this kind of thinking

[@MrBeastjebuz]

Worst team building I have ever seen. Pairing Cade with Ivey and Hayes. And too many bigs who are backup material and the bigs are all similar.

[@UTBC14YEARS]

As a pistons fan, the only way i will stay alive is to change teams... but i wouldn't know who to support

[@OldLadyGamersince1990]

The best Pistons years are in the mid 80s-90s courtesy of the original nba badboys of Isiah thomas, Lambeer, and Rodman :)

[@ronmcgee1868]

Only two players on this team anyone wants -- Cade and Isiah Stewart.

[@henry-ex1pg]

the fans should not buy tickets for any detroit pistons games, they are just wasting it, watching your team lose is a waste

[@oddlyn25]

nobody would blame him for leaving, he has great potential and its being wasted in an organization that seems to not give a fuck about him. cade has serious talent, and it would 1000% be recognized anywhere else.

[@mishasavage256]

at this point, someone higher up needs to go - they hired a great coach in monty and have tried really hard. They need a competent gm lol

[@tylawson485]

First Thing Detroit Need To Do Is To Let Go Of Killian Hayes. Cause Dude Is Just In The Way Of Guards That Can Actually Play Marcus Sasser Is Showing Potential Of Being A Capable Scorer On and Off The ball So Trade Killian For Future 2nd Rounders. The Second Thing is They Floor Spacing Is Terrible Cause Big Man Rotation Jalen Duren is The Starting Center Without A Question But Pairing With Isaiah Stewart in The FrontCourt Is Just Bad Spacing Cause Stewart Is Not A Good Shooter To Pair With Duren On The Court. They Need A Forward That A League Average Shooter And Can Play Defense That Can Switch To Guards And Forward Someone Like OG Trading Away Bey Was A Terrible Mistake. Cause He shooting A League Average percentage and Could Play The 3 And The 4 Move On From Wiseman And Let Marvin Bagley Have Them Backup Minutes And Trade Bojan For Drafted Capital Best. Cade, Ausar, Ivey Are Untouchable Move Ivey As Six Man and Start Sassers.

[@dom2960]

Killian Hayes has got to have the worst IQ in the league watching him play last night pissed me tf off and I’m not even a pistons fan

[@goku..7]

I just don’t like how the media put Cade in the thumbnails like bro he is playing his ass off for that team and putting the great numbers. He should request a trade because they ruing his images like dude is not a loser he is a great player

[@jumazingwright606]

It's coaching. They have talent. There's no way they should be losing like this

[@twisterduck1944]

Cade is being the one at the for front of all the media but it is not his fault. The man is doing everything he can. If anyone should be the blame it should be coaches and the front office. Cade is very young and missed basically the whole season last year. I would never expect for a player to come back and carry their team to wins like they are expecting him. Solid players on the Pistons as well so not sure how they are this bad. Once again I would point to the coaching.

[@TheCriminalViolin]

28 in a row now, and apparently, if they lose 29 in a row, it'll tie the big 4 major league sports leagues' all time record losing streak. 30 and they will own the record as the longest and worst losing streak/record all time across them. NHL, MLB, NFL & NBA. Let that sink in. Of course, as a Blazers fan, the Blazers WILL be losing their February match to the Pistons this year. Screenshot it, mark it down, bookmark it. It is written.

[@andrewl6136]

i mean... atleast its a high probability that the pistons will only go up from here.... they are young but they have future potential.

[@SquidysTents]

Pistons should trade everything and everyone except Duren, Cade, and Ausar. Get some win now players and picks set for the next two years in return. The players you get don’t even have to be young players. Just good locker room guys who can ball

[@outforthecount7027]

dam the pistons getting flamed all over the tube

[@Two-Checks]

But they have Silas on the staff. How could they be this bad?

[@Godlovesu591]

It’s literally Cade vs 15 opponents every night

[@erichong4786]

Why does Bog end up on historically bad teams lol. He has got to be cursed or somrthing cause it keeps happening 😂.

[@WjC00LEY]

Didn’t mention Bey or Stewart…

[@cafelindo7722]

So glad we shipped Monte out of the valley! New Suns owner doing big things 🧡💜

[@thuggwaffle8825]

The Suns look absolutely terrible considering they have 2 healthy superstars one of them being a top 20 player of all time

[@AlonsoRules]

This is what happens when you lose the draft lottery

[@NixonMayHaveBeenOnToSomething]

Nah it doesn't matter who they draft. It's culture. You said Killian Hayes never shot over 30% and still gets play time? Burn it all down

[@joshelnar1727]

Need kd for sure or beal

[@mathidonidopitroutchini5140]

I like them to beat the 28 than the total for losses in a season

[@culo9999]

They are so disgustingly bad, I feel like Cade might be the first player to deny a rookie extension

[@ImAlxxy]

Bojan was traded for. Not a free agent. They've had no success in free agency since arguably tre lyles

[@reborn2020]

No proper defense

[@tvs5941]

As a soccer fan from Europe i dont understand why they don’t sack the Coach.

[@Jstef09]

They dumped a bunch of money into him to start this season and over the next 5 years

[@Gear_Saitama]

The owner made a terrible judgment call and gave the coach a huge money contract for the next 5 years. So even if he sacks him he still has to pay what’s left on the contract, so at this point might as well keep him and hope to get something out of him.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

FYI: we don't sack coaches over here. They get fired.

[@mrlee9213]

At least the Lions going hard 🩵🩶🩵🩶

[@pht9317]

How is it the owners fault? They have a GM and coach.

[@vrzymlask2560]

Pistons have a lot of talented guys that dont fit together

[@JRozay23]

Can you imagine if they got rid of the lottery and make it like NFL?

[@coling7119]

Killian Hayes is not a non factor on defense that’s one of the two things he’s actually good st

[@thinkinginsideout4053]

BADanovic is not even bad... I feel bad for him.

[@JoshuaGonzalez1511]

Weaver keeping his job is idiotic he’s been subpar to say the least

[@billymurphy3]

They should hire Dan Campbell.

[@DeVonAmbitious]

A lot of people who aren't fans needed to stop speaking on why the Pistons are bad. It's more than bad picks. Team like OKC, Magic, Rockets had assets to trade Pistons got nothing for BG or Dre. They also have a crackhead owner, it's a lot of bad going on besides the lottery. There also not the worst team, this streak is just real ugly, but look at the standing they are only a couple games below Spurs, Wiz and etc. 10:27 Also the owner is TOM not Tim Gores

[@RH-hz9ly]

I'd rather have Cade on other team so he can explore himself more

[@MFGTVv]

How many 1st round pick do they need they just suck

[@tomwatson1]

They should go for a losing record that’s impossible to beat , who cares about them at this point.

[@JoshNBANFL]

The best worst team ever

[@calraymond7756]

Your lack of knowledge is crazy for an nba KZbinr

[@Gwarm23]

Cade deserves better

[@rynichols]

Bol Bol

[@Travdust]

Hayes is not a non factor on defense, he’s a good on ball defender and a top player in steals the last few years. Gores is to blame, he forced Griffin trade, he forced Cade draft pick (I think Mobley would have fit better). And he forced the Monty hire (who doesn’t want to coach, but can’t turn down 80mil.) . Gores a drunk that doesn’t know anything about basketball and lives in LA and comes to Detroit if there a national tv game, so he can be show throwing tshirts to fans and acting like a disgrace.