The Porsche GT3 RS: Project Cars 2 vs Assetto Corsa!

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[@konxompax6533]

Very nice and your comparisons get better every time. Happy to see that you take under account the comments and make improvements. Installed pcars2 recently and have only tried the bmw 1m for a couple of hours. Some notes for my 2cents: PC2 is very sensitive on small setup changes and thats good. For example you noticed for the Porsche how it is unstable under braking. Same was the bmw and reason was that with heavy breaking the back was getting light. Stiffen back springs so it does not lift, change break balance from 67-33 to 60-40, reduce little camber from the back and increase coast on diff and boom, your car is now stable. Also found ffb (i use an osw) bit better on pc, as strange as this sounds. Also get better sense of speed on pc, i think it has to do with tarmac textures. With ac you can most of the times jump in and drive, from what i've seen so far this is not the case with pc, you need to tweak it first. I also liked how stability control was really annoying getting in the way on the limit, on ac does not bother me. I play ac almost exclusively but pc2 is a nice surprise so far.

[@TheExtraMile]

Good points there Konx! I have not yet tried to play much with the setup but I will try that in the next episodes and see what difference it makes. Glad to hear that the cars are responsive to the changes, that is a very good sign :)

[@classiccview6679]

You deserve more views! I’m sure they will come

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you so much! I am working on it :)

[@markopopov9295]

here they are ;)

[@Rudinixon]

Congratulations for the excellent comparison. This answers a lot of real important questions of real driving sim players. Completely different from the other hundreds of stupid comparisons that we find in KZbin. Hope you can continue doing this with other games. Thank you very much! Hope you have sucess on your channel!

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you very much for the awesome reply and for watching :)

[@Bad80y1]

ABSOLUTELY amazing driving and love your setup. What kind of sim rig setup is that? A real dashboard/wheel cutout from a real Beamer or do these sim rig makers actually provide this amazingly realistic car/dash/wheel interior you can order? Looks great. First video I came across of yours. Had to sub. Sounds like you own this Porsche GT3 RS by how you talk and I take it you've tested it the same as these sims at SPA? If so, that is so sweet. Yes these simulators are getting closer and closer to the real thing. We have truly entered into a virtual world when it comes to driving these real world cars. Great drifting as well. You learn a lot of driving skills from these sims. Can't wait to see more of your video collections. Glad you speak fluent english as well. Keep up the great work..

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you so much! I made the dash myself out of used car parts that I got on Ebay. It was a whole lot of work, much more than I initially inticipated, but I am super happy with it now :) Here is a link to a build vlog if you´re interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2GVhYCNf5ylebs And btw, I sadly do not own a GT3 RS although I´d wish that were different :) I just did some research on the real cars handling and behaviour before I filmed this.

[@ARentz07]

Nice video! It's awesome to see the sims are so close. Fonsecker has a wonderful sound mod for the GT3RS which has a bit more bass in the sound, but is less raspy than the PC2 sound. If you have not tried it, do so! :^)

[@TheExtraMile]

Thanks for the reminder! Fonsecker really does great work and the car could need a bit more bass!

[@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO]

Great stuff! More of these. I still think AC is 5% better than PC2. Tyre physics is slightly better in PC2 but, the rest goes to AC. It just feels slightly better to drive.

[@TheExtraMile]

Yup, I agree. PC2 tire physics are better but the general feeling of the car is slightly better in AC. They are getting closer together. PC1 was nowhere near AC!

[@chupalol360]

Great comparison! I liked how you kept things on a fact-to-fact basis, and focused on your raw personal experience, giving a genuine opinion on how you the games delivered. Nice setup btw (where's the Porsche wheel haha)

[@TheExtraMile]

Haha, thanks man! Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@doc7000]

Those tire pressure settings for AC I believe were high, The tires in AC really like 30-31psi hot pressure on all corners so setting the base pressure at 29 front and 33 rear is just going to give you too much pressure (and likely not enough temperature). Looking around the internet to see what people in the real world run these tires at cold for track day use and it looks like around 24psi cold for Trofeo R. So you might want to try to run them in both games playing around with tire pressures cold, actually in AC to get your ideal hot pressure turn tire blankets on. With the built in tire app set your cold pressure and AC with tire blankets will warm tires to optimum temps and you can see what the pressures are. Tire color green and pressure numbers green is what you want to see, you would be even faster (or should be).

[@TheExtraMile]

Thanks for the input Duane! From what I know 2,0 bar (29 psi) for the fronts and 2,3 bar (33 psi for the rears) are pretty much what you would use in real life. But I will try to get some verified real data for the next test!

[@doc7000]

It all comes down to the tires and intended use, for example a DOT track tire you would run 33-35PSI (this can differ greatly by tire) for street use. This is because you don't generate much heat in regular street use, however for track use you will generate lots of heat and depending on what DOT track tire you are running hot pressures can be 29-33. Though if it is 29psi hot then you should probably run something like 22-24 cold psi. If it is asking for 29psi hot for the fronts and you set that cold then you will run too much pressure once you get temps in your tires. For example at the end of your PC2 session your fronts were 36 and your rears were 44. www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/pirelli-trofeo-r-tires.419470/ Here is a forum I found with a Ferrari 458 talking about the tire pressure for his car at the track, he is running Trofeo R tires. For those tires seem to be 29-30psi hot so probably start at about 24psi cold to get it there, I believe this is suppose to be the tire that is used in PC2. I know for Assetto Corsa when I get it to 29-30psi on the tire pressure app it turns green so they are probably the similar tires just different names.

[@Jok3sta]

love your vids man. I started following you from when you were building your rig. glad i did. keep it up

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you for staying with me Gregory! Much more to come on this channel! :)

[@takatoriyukihiro]

Your videos are very neat and comfortable to watch. You look really enjoy driving!

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you! And yes I do :)

[@8O0I0O8]

Great video, really enjoy these! :) Epic setup btw ;)

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you for watching! :)

[@SoAwesomeKillz]

Just a heads up, the Pilot Sport Cup 2 is a semislick. Both that and the Trofeo R should be in that category. Just a heads up, correct me if I'm wrong.

[@TheExtraMile]

Oh no, you are absolutely right. I had the Pilot Sport Cup 2 on my old ride and it is indeed a semi slick.

[@TheExtraMile]

Here is the real lap: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4qym5x5fcyenpY

[@Tony-1971]

I love how this car handles and behaves in both titles.

[@TheExtraMile]

Agreed! :)

[@memememine1]

How does PC2 simulate car systems such as rear wheel steer? In ac you can see the rear wheels of the gt3rs turn slightly through corners if you view it in replay with an external camera. Regardless project cars 2 is a huge improvement over the original.

[@TheExtraMile]

Good question! I have not heard them talk about 4 wheel steering yet. From what I have heard they at least try to stay true to the real car, but I am not sure how far they go.

[@Psydrre]

Exterior sound in PC2 is lol worthy. No change at all when passing by the camera.

[@TheExtraMile]

Agreed! The doppler effect seems like a simple thing, but it sounds like it is missing here a bit. I heard it much more pronounced on other tracks, so maybe that is a bug.

[@r.a.p.k.models4160]

Psydrre that's my biggest complain compare to asseto

[@alessiopinciroli8698]

Really nice video, what's your setting for the sterring wheels? Configuration and force feedback? Tank you

[@TheExtraMile]

Hey there Alessio! I recently made a video about that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fV7FgHmee7Kdp5o

[@dankoekebacker3919]

Cool vid and Nice wheel! You build that E46 simulator yourself?? You have a video of building that 2?

[@TheExtraMile]

Hey there Danny! Thank you for watching! I have indeed filmed the whole build process, you can check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2GVhYCNf5ylebs

[@dankoekebacker3919]

The Extra Mile thx man wish i had the space, knowledge and time to build something like this. What kind of pc are you using to play this? Is AC of PC2 the game to go for? GT Sport is failing in so many reviews so..

[@TheExtraMile]

I am using the following specs: Windows 10 64-bit on Kingston Predator SSD, Asus X99 Sabertooth, Intel Core i7 6800k @ 3.93GHz, 16,0 GB G.Skill DDR4 @ 3333 MHz, Gigabyte GX1080 Extreme Gaming with 8gb of vram, Soundblaster Z, Oculus Rift CV1 At this point in time I would go for PC2, but a big part of that are the years of playing AC that are behind me. PC2 is something new which makes it automatically more interesting to me than the sim that I have been using for years. But even objectively speaking it is the "better" choice at this point in time I think. Great track selection, very solid car selection, great physics engine (although not as intuitive as AC when you go over the limit), great sounds and visuals, etc. AC surely will remain king for a lot of people, but I personally drive more PC2 than AC at the moment. I have watched the GT Sport reviews with great interest! It certainly is the best looking car game out there. The attention to detail of the models is astonishing and the shaders and visuals are tuned to perfection. The replays in GT Sport seem almost photorealistic at times. They also seemed to have greatly improved the engine sounds, although they still fall behind the industry leaders and rank somewhere in the middle I´d say. Physics are definitely more on the simcade side, but I actually wouldn´t mind that too much. Sure, I would love a more realistic physics engine with tire flex etc. but I can live with solid simcade in Gran Turismo. However the BIIIIIIIIG thing that makes GT Sport a complete letdown for me, is that they have killed the thing about GT that is fun. Owning, modifying and racing your "own" cars. THAT is what made GT great for me, and that is completely off the menu. Anyway, looong story short: I would choose PC2 at the moment over pretty much anything else.

[@dankoekebacker3919]

Yes i feel thesame about GT Sport. I played those games from the first GT on ps1. I don't know why they did what they did with Sport but it is a shame compared to the previous titles. So i have a laptop, a MSI I7 processor with 4 gig Ram Windows 10 and a GTX950 aboard. Would this play a game like PC2? I mostly game on PS4 so i probaly will get it for console because i like graphics as high as possible. Still need a good wheel as well. Still searching for that. Thx for the big reply

[@delpinsky]

Amazing as usual! Bravo! PC2 has room for improvement, if devs are going to follow the good feedback coming from simracers.

[@TheExtraMile]

Agreed! Considering how they have listened to the critics about Project Cars 1, I think we can look forward to the future :) They have adressed pretty much all the big complaints that people had about PC1, and I really respect that! Can´t wait to see how much further they will push themselves when it comes to Project Cars 3!

[@dyr_glpsn4209]

@@TheExtraMile lol this didn't age well.

[@TheExtraMile]

@@dyr_glpsn4209 It really, really, REALLY didn´t :)

[@anthonyelias2030]

Thanks Alex. Great review, as usual.

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you for watching Anthony! :)

[@toddmcdonough]

I've been waiting for this one...Thanks my friend!

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you for watching Todd! :)

[@Tolinx21]

How do you have this feelings in Project Cars 2 ??? Special wheel settings ? Special car settings ? Drift mod pc ? With my g920 on Xbox one, i can't feel this feeling... I test many settings but it's impossible to have this slide feeling....

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm, I think a lot depends on finding the exact right FFB settings for your specific wheel. PC2 needed some testing and fiddling with the settings to get it to feel good in my case. Maybe this video can help you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/goevnIt4ZZWDhbc

[@2ndLastJedi]

If you could only have one of these Sims which would you choose?

[@TheExtraMile]

At this point in time I am playing a lot more PC2, there is something about the way the cars handle that is very satisfying. My answer might be different in a few weeks down the line, but at this point I would say Project Cars 2.

[@s7e8s6]

lol very nice driving mate. I just purchased Assetto Corsa I was wondering what is a good budget steering wheel. thanks.

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you Jimmy! The wheel depends a little bit on the size of your budget. At the low end you have wheels like the Thrustmaster VG Ferrari 458 Spider Racing Wheel, you can get that for about 90 bucks. You won´t have a clutch or h shifter but it certainly is a start and better than a gamepad. If you have a bit more to spend then there is the Logitech G920 which costs around 270 bucks. It has a lot more force than the cheaper wheel and is overall of better quality. You also get a clutch pedal and can get an h-shifter for 50 bucks extra. I would highly recommend to check out reviews of the wheels before you buy. Check out this video for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3ncf2htob-qe7M

[@DiegoMolas]

Hoo yes! Very very good test. Thanks!

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you Diego! :)

[@gypyoutb]

by comparing the steering movement between them, PC2 looks too "busy" handwork than real life. AC looks "less aggressive" and closer to real life.. I've both, but what I feel PC2 seems too much oversteer and so frustrating to handle. From your videos I found out real life footages looks like kinda not that "as hard to drive as PC2". Thank you for your videos by the way, giving so many informations, nice job!

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you for watching! I think that they have included some physics fixes in the last patches, or that I am starting to get used to the sim in general maybe. I think the cars are a lot better to drive now in general than they were in the days after release. But maybe that is placebo or something. In the case of the GT3 I found the AC one to be a bit more unstable under accelaration and the PC2 one to be a bit nervous under braking.

[@gypyoutb]

Your steering wheel's ffb looks very amazing. what steering wheel did you use, may I know?

[@Aardvark892]

Hot Dang! Love that Porsche! Thanks, Alex, for another great show! Why do you set it up as a race with another car, and not use Testing? Isn't there some chance that the opponent will mess with your best time? And if you think about it, you have one definite advantage over the real car... he has to worry about wrecking a very expensive car. that's going to affect his time, even if just by a little.

[@TheExtraMile]

Hey there Aardvark, I only set it up as a race so I can record the replay. I have since learned that I can setup AI "races" with zero opponents as well, so I will do that next time! And btw, the "not wrecking a super expensive car" factor definitely plays a role!!

[@Aardvark892]

PC2 doesn't let you record replays of time testing laps? Only races? I didn't know that. That's kinda... well, dumb. Thanks for the quick reply. When I get home from work tonight, I'm gonna check that out! Cheers!

[@kraziel]

What? How is the PSI numbers the same? It's "Reifendruck 2.00 bar" on the front and 2.30 on the rear. And in Assetto Corsa you said set it 2.50 and 3.30? I DON'T GET IT. I AM CONFUSED. Can someone explain this or point me what I'm looking wrong? :)

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm in PC2 I set the pressure to 36 psi (2.48 bar) at the front and 44 psi (3.03 bar) at the rear. But I said 2.0 and 2.3 in the video, not sure it just have been a brain fart, sorry about that :)

[@everythinggaming7938]

Something about PC2 audio sounds so computerised and similar to many other cars in the game

[@TheExtraMile]

Yeah I agree, unfortunately neither of the games comes even close to the sensation in the real thing. I think PC2 have patched something about the sounds since then though, I might have to give the GT3 another shot!

[@everythinggaming7938]

Yea only sim that comes close is Raceroom, however AC is not too bad. You should try the AC porsche pack sound mod, its awesome!

[@projectapexracing4533]

All of your comparison videos on pc2 and ac makes it really hard for me to wait for assetto to go on halloween sale!

[@TheExtraMile]

Haha, that is a good problem to have I guess :) Not long now until the next sale!

[@UrbanChaos20]

Assetto Corsa is dogshit.

[@KootBear]

awesome video, thank you for uploading!

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you for watching! :)

[@richysracing9524]

Great👍👍👍 got to say I'm surprised

[@TheExtraMile]

Thanks Richard, so was I to be honest! :)

[@omaral-hashmi3820]

how do the mirrors look in both games? 3D or flat?

[@TheExtraMile]

The mirrors react to your headposition in PC2 which is awesome! Other than that they look pretty much the same. You don´t get to see the cars in either of them which is is bit sad, but understandable for performance reasons. I am not sure about the depth perception in the mirrors. It seems pretty much like real life in the way you can judge distances etc.

[@iseeq72]

weird... I don't see you listed in the leaderboards (this was on PC right?).

[@TheExtraMile]

Yep it was on PC Marcel. I have been confused by the leaderboards as well. Do you maybe have to drive a special time attack event for the time to show up?

[@paulh1860]

You have to go to community tab and choose time trial

[@geforce5591]

This car, in Pcars 2 does a weird shimmy at the rear on corner entry that I don't feel is present on the real car when I watch on-boards. I really like driving it on long beach but again, I really like driving anything on long beach. =)

[@TheExtraMile]

Yeah there is some rear end shimmy, maybe it would be fixed through increasing downforce at the rear a bit. From what I know the rear spoiler is adjustable in the GT3 RS.

[@konxompax6533]

Tobi Ogunsanwo Tried it my self, you are absolutely right, its even worse than it appears on video. No downforce setting for this one. But, it seems that the reason is suspension, waaay to soft. When i stiffened it,and i mean a lot, plus lower ride height,it started ressembling to the real thing but time went to 2.33s withour even great driving... By default its an absolute dancer

[@SternLX]

Stiffen up the rear or soften the front if you find the rear dancing around under braking with any glorified VW Beetle. :)

[@alexwong1249]

Hey, I'm interested in your setup. Can you please tell me more about how to install a setup using a dashboard from a real car???

[@TheExtraMile]

Hey there Alex! Sure! Here is a build vlog about the whole thing that should answer most of your questions. Feel free to ask if anything is still unclear! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fV7FgHmee7Kdp5o

[@MisTomis]

Of course your run in AC was 'slidy' , 33PSI are you INSANE?

[@TheExtraMile]

Well, 33 psi cold tire pressure is exactly what the real car runs, so I would not consider that to be insane :)

[@arisupersnake]

Is it me or the pcars 2 dct is actually a single clutch? Look at slow it changes and how thr car squats. Same for gtr. Strange

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm, could be! I wanted to revisit this car anyway soon, I will keep an eye out for that!

[@arisupersnake]

The Extra Mile 918 spyder also exhibit this strange gearbox behaviour. Actually most dct road cars shift similar to the single clutch gt3's.

[@louisfisher9315]

why is your pov not in front but next to the steering Wheel?

[@R.e.o584]

ATB Crew Because in VR he is recording the left eye only i think

[@TheExtraMile]

Yep, Matteo already said it correctly. Only the left eye is recorded so the image appears to be slightly off center.

[@Putkijumala]

Nice. During the lap in pC2 you lost a huge amount of time on Kemmel straight. As someone said, Spa might not be the best track to do time comparisons because driving fast at Spa needs skills and bravery. From both real life and sim drivers. Therefore small differences in mid-corner performance costs a lot of time there. Also it was a bit strange you decided to copy the tyre pressures pC2 uses for Pirelli tyre into AC's wannabe-Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres. Doesn't make perfect sense to me because both are obviously very different tyres regardless of the similarities in performance. :)

[@TheExtraMile]

Hey there! Thanks for the input and watching :) The tire pressures are a funny thing in AC it seems. The pressures you set in PC2 seem to correlate what you set as a cold pressure in real life. 2.0 for the fronts and 2.3 for the rear seems to be realistic and in line with real life. When I did the comparison before people complained that I did not equalize tire pressures between the two sims and that AC uses very low pressures by default. I just wanted to take that factor out of the comparison this time and use equal tire pressures in both sims.

[@Putkijumala]

The Extra Mile I see what you mean but if the tyres both sims are simulating are different, I see no point equalizing the pressures. On the other hand it's not perfectly clear what tyres AC want to replicate. For 488 GTB the sidewall texture shows Hankook Evo's, tread is from Michelin and the OEM tyre would be Pilot Super Sport so... :)

[@245-TRIOXIN]

i thought AC felt better to drive. Specially when you do a lap on the Nurburgring. In AC doing a lap at the ring in this car feels pretty incredible and actually one of the most realistic sensations of driving that I've ever experienced in a driving sim. I do like pCARS 2, but something feels quite unnatural about the driving in it at times. I think its because the visual sense of speed isn't there, so nothing feels and looks natural when driving. The cars also roll around slow bends in a really awkward manor sometimes that just feels weird. Neither game is perfect and i dont think 'perfect' can ever be achieved anyway, but for me AC just feels mor natural to drive. I think AC 2 will be incredible.

[@tuna_6548]

It feels like you are constantly reminding yourself not to drift in a timed lap :p

[@TheExtraMile]

Haha, yeah I kind of do :)

[@Quattro5081]

Can you compare Forza 7 to PC2 and AC...just for fun?

[@TheExtraMile]

That would be fun Quattro! I am in the middle of moving right now, but when I am done I will take a look at Forza 7!

[@Quattro5081]

Many thanks!, am looking forward to it!

[@Nicsos123]

pls can you share your graphic settings?

[@TheExtraMile]

Sure! I have recently made a video about that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fV7FgHmee7Kdp5o After that I switched from full 2.0 Supersampling to 1.6 and switched off detailed grass to get a bit more performance and fluidity.

[@iRacingRod]

I have a cayman s pdk wich is 1.4T too and Porsche recommand 21 for the front and 22 for the rear ...

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm that is pretty low! 21 psi is only 1,4 bar, I have never heard of such a low recommended setting. A quick search on the internet delivered a recommended pressure of 2.0 bar for the front and 2.1 for the rear. Maybe you meant 2,1 bar with the 21?

[@iRacingRod]

Sorry, i'm french.... You're right ( i thought PSI = bar). 2.1 on the front, 2.2 on the rear.

[@ZetoalhaBrasil]

PC2 vs Assetto Corsa - BMW M3 E30 in PS4 Fat - kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJumkIx-f6eGaJY

[@TheExtraMile]

Thank you for linking that! Very interesting to see a comparison on the console!

[@АндрейМоскалёв-щ7х]

привет я Андрей а немог бы покаказать как у тебя эта машина настроена7

[@TheExtraMile]

Эй, Эндрю! Спасибо за просмотр!

[@NewJerseyJay]

Ahh this isn't Wheel btw.. 😀

[@Marauder1981]

Mir ist aufgefallen, das du bei AC nie das FFB der Autos selbst einstellst. Das ist aber gerade die wichtigste Einstellung. Wenn Du Fragen dazu hast schieß los.

[@TheExtraMile]

Also ich habe das FFB sehr detailliert eingestellt und nutze allerdings das selbe FFB setup für alle Autos. Ich nutze nur zum Teil das ingame FFB, die meisten Effekte werden durch die Sim Commander 4 Software erstellt die mit meinem Lenkrad kam (Accuforce von Simxperience). Fühlt sich wirklich gut an und alle Autos fühlen sich auch leicht unterschiedlich an.

[@Marauder1981]

Gerade die Ingame Einstellungen sind für Clipping entscheidend. In der Regel passt ein Fahrzeug FFB von 40 auf fast alle Autos. Damit kommst Du allenfalls in der Fuchsröhrensenke an die Clippinggrenze. Einfach über die Appleiste während du im Auto sitzt aufklappen. Am besten nochmal mit dem NoClipp Graphen überprüfen, weil mit Clipping taugt Dir auch das teuerste DDrive Wheel nichts.

[@TheExtraMile]

Da hast du Recht! Soweit kann ich kein clipping spüren, fühlt sich alles sanft und korrekt an. Wie gesagt die meisten Effekte kommen eh nicht vom Spiel, die habe ich nur mit ca. 10% drunter gemischt. Das meiste kommt durch die Sim Commander 4 Software.

[@Marauder1981]

Probier mal etwas aus, wenn Du magst. Kannst ja alles wieder zurücksetzen, falls es nicht passt. Nur mal für Spaß: Im AC Optionsmenü unter Fortgeschritten. Da gibtst Du beim Force Feedback 90%, bei Kerbs 49% Straße 10% an und machst sonst alles auf 0%. Den Enhanced Understeer Effekt drin lassen. Dann beliebiges Auto nehmen und auf die Strecke gehen. Da dann die Maus ganz nach rechts auf den Bildschirm ziehen und auf den aufpoppenden Apps die "Force Feedback controller" App anklicken. Da kannst Du noch mal für das ausgewählte Fahrzeug das eigene Force Feeback einstellen. Das einfach mal auf 40%. Probiers mal aus und gib bescheid. Und wenn Du bei deinem Lenkrad selbst noch eine leichte Dämpfung (damit das Lenkrad nicht zu lose ist) einstellen kannst, nimm die rein. Das Problem bei AC ist nämlich, das ohne Dämpfung das body rolling zu stark ist und somit zu Fahrfehlern im Grenzbereich führt. Ein weitere Problem ist, das anscheinend, das FFB zu gewissen Teilen auch von der Hinterachse übertragen wird, was ebenfalls unrealistisch ist. Vielleicht komm ich da noch dahinter. Beim alten GTR2 und GTR Evolution konnte man das ändern.

[@Marauder1981]

Noch vergessen, die FFB Kraft des eigenen Lenkrads auf ca. 39% einstellen. Falls Du das überhaupt direkt am Lenkrad einstellen kannst.

[@vio3667]

There is a lot of things are missing on comparison videos. If you drive a car in nfs2 slowly u can easily compare with real life on straight road. It doesn't make any sense. Does not mean it's realism. You can easily follow irl car lines on any race games. We need real tests. I can not find any moose test videos for ac or pc2. If possible please push physics on real car with steering and compare with assetto corsa so you can see ac has really worst steering which unrealistic. I love pc2's grip on asphalt. Brake so bad no abs on ac, cant control car when u brake with supercar.

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm, interesting idea about the moose test! I wonder if I can find a tool to accurately measure times and distances so we might be able to replicate a whole array of tests.

[@vio3667]

@@TheExtraMile i want to try but cant find map editor and dont have free time

[@Stubs66]

Great video , interesting ! In general AC driving model is too keen to slide , even if rotation is less over done than PC, it's fun, but PC is getting a wee bit closer to the truth I think.

[@TheExtraMile]

Yeah I would agree. Maybe the cold tire grip loss is a bit overdone in AC? It seemed to get better with more heat in the tires. But even then it was maybe sliding a tiny bit too much. I was generally surprised how close the two sims were though.

[@SingleRacerSVR]

I'd like to ask another CRAZY? question Alex, but only because you do so much online racing with Lambo. So I agree that AC doesn't do "cold tire grip loss" that well. But one weird thing I have noticed in the servers online, is that I SWEAR that I can sense a thing, that can only be described as "heat soak". Meaning that I pick ABC car, that had XYZ cold tire temps. But after about 4-5 laps of Nords online, I absolutely swear that I have MORE GRIP, even when I go back to the pits, and check that those XYZ tire temps are still the same in cold form. It's as if somehow AC replicates the rest of the car getting warm. Meaning /brakes/engine/exhaust? - it just feels like the rest of the car has more feel to it, after those 3-5 run-in laps, even though the tire temps show the same pressures & coldness, when reloading from the pits............................ is this crazy, Alex?

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm good point there Michael! I would have to check this scenario out to make a judgement here. Could be a bug (tire temps not resetting when you go into the pits)? I will watch out for this the next time I drive Assetto Corsa, I am really curious now to see if I can replicate it :)

[@Blue_Monkey]

Ever thought that you lay down more grip onto the track

[@deangelis777]

Ithink PC2 physics is much better and driving is much more fun. Driving in Asseto Corsa feels like a soap on wet ice, too much overstter on low speeds.. it's too annoying. PC2 is far better. But there are things I don't like in PC2 - no lap by lap statistic after race (it's very stupid), no mods... PC2 is not modding-friendly game

[@2isotopes323]

I love the Porsche . . .

[@TheExtraMile]

Me too! Lovely car :)

[@2isotopes323]

The Extra Mile .... yea... wish I could drift it like you do. I'm always upside the wall after a few seconds.

[@TheExtraMile]

Haha yeah I know what you mean. It can take a while to get used to the handling of this car. After a while you get a feel for it though, it might take some time :)

[@2isotopes323]

That's worth a sub. Thanks man.

[@LS-sx7vz]

hi ALEX 👀🏁

[@TheExtraMile]

Hey there! :)

[@vio3667]

I just tried moose test on ac and results didnt surprise me. When understeer starts, 0 grip on tyres and car cant stay on the road. And actually cant change the lane. Please try and watch this /22LpfKVBW2Y

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm very interesting!! Thank you for doing that test, will watch it now!

[@xiemvitalis4582]

You keep saying the car is well balanced and has tons of grip in PC2 but how come I see you sliding it all over the place? And don't get me started about the braking.

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm I wouldn´t say the car is sliding all over the place by any standard. And having a good amount of lateral grip does not mean that the car won´t slide anyway. It just means that it takes a bit more effort to unsettle the chassis. Agree about the braking though, that felt way too unstable in PC2.

[@Leynad778]

Just did a 7:11 on the Nordschleife with this car (place 8 in the PC2-leaderboards) and there is where it really shines and AC IMO fails. Both tyre-models are similar on flat tracks, but with bumps... You prefer more front-biased brake balance than me i noticed in another video and glad we can change this in road-cars in PC2. I love it further back and don't like many street-cars in AC just for this reason alone, most ridiculous with the R8.

[@TheExtraMile]

That is a sweet ass time Leynad! Congrats! I agree about the PC2 tire model over bumps, it feels a lot better! That tire flex is pure magic :)

[@Leynad778]

Thanks, but i wasn't even pushing that much and 10 sec. away from the record. But i'm p1 with the Sauber C9 so far😋. I mostly try to drive as safe as i expect a professional driver would do, who don't want to make a fool of himself while crashing and take a predictable risk. Alien-laptimes should be faster for that reason and the C9 in AC is just ridiculous in handling and character. The best alien is 5 sec. behind Bellof and this track is certainly less bumpy today with a far more grippy tarmac. And the same with the 962C or the hole GT3-cars, that are even faster in real life without reaching the top-speeds in AC anymore by 15-20 km/h. I had the discussion with Lord Kunos himself and they seem to be happy when aliens reach the real lap times. About two years back i got suspended at the AC-forum for suggesting, they should better try and learn from the Nordschleife-AC-RIP for rF2 than hunting every source down. The tyre-flex was the difference two years ago and PC2 feels similar, just without the jerky cars in rF2. Kunos really deserve PC2.

[@卓尧杜]

Cars in projectcar have super slow gearbox

[@TheExtraMile]

I will have to watch out for that, I did not notice shifting times being too slow. But maybe I was too busy to notice.

[@yousufzahid6949]

I think he means cars with a H-shifter

[@everythinggaming7938]

AC AC AC AC AC AC AC

[@TheExtraMile]

I can understand that opinion :)

[@NewJerseyJay]

Look people.. there is no comparison between the 2 in FFB. AC allows a multitude of any changes that you want. PJC2 NOT even close. And btw you spend all that money to have a full dash board with your wheel.. but yet you use VR so you can't see it? ... 😗

[@TheExtraMile]

I would agree that the AC FFB is overall superior and especially works better right out of the box. PC2 took a lot of fiddling to get it to feel right. The real cockpit as a simrig has always been a dream of mine, long before VR came into the picture. I do love using it in VR too though, because the shifter is in the right position, I can use the armrest and rest my leg on the center console like in real life. The best part about it is the full sized steering wheel though. It fits great for most cars that I drive and helps a lot in VR.

[@ALBA-ku9pq]

Bruh you sound like nico rosberg

[@TheExtraMile]

Haha, I don´t know if that is a good thing :)

[@CostasCh]

Well, PC2 still not convince me.....

[@TheExtraMile]

That is alright. In the end it is a bit subjective and some sims just fit better for some people than others.

[@CostasCh]

Yeah, that is very true Alex!

[@CostasCh]

Yes, this is so true!

[@pimprijs8836]

Yo can you please play Forza 7 one time?

[@TheExtraMile]

I was thinking about that too Pim. I will check if I can play it with my wheel.

[@pimprijs8836]

The Extra Mile ok nice

[@Fluterra]

GT3RS has more than 500 hp

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm, from what I know the GT3 RS has exactly 500 HP.

[@bunkaaa8726]

I keep wanting to get PC2, simply for the better sounds and lots of cars to play with.. but.. I just cant play a 'worse' sim...

[@TheExtraMile]

I think you should give it a shot Bunka! It might be "worse" in a few aspects, but it is better in a lot of others. Especially the tire model is really, really good. It certainly does not feel like an arcade racer, but like a true sim and it is the title that I personally enjoy the most at the moment.

[@bunkaaa8726]

Interesting, I tried the Steam Demo and was hugely disappointed, the sound was good but the (only two available) track cars I tried just seemed to drift with no feedback of grip loss so it was hard to tell when on the limit like AC. I had PC1 and that was very bad. Maybe the settings on PC2 demo were locked so it felt arcadey ? I will see if I can try the full game , thanks

[@TheExtraMile]

Hmm that is interesting. I would assume that especially the demo cars are well setup and the better examples of the PC2 car range. I can only say that I enjoy PC2 very much in general, but there are clearly some cars that handle better than others.

[@pt-logs6512]

wth is that setup? lol

[@TheExtraMile]

I made it myself, well at least the cockpit. Here is a build vlog if you´re interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2GVhYCNf5ylebs

[@dubol07]

Project cars just sounds better

[@TheExtraMile]

Agreed! The sounds in PC2 are pretty good across the board. Still room for improvement but pretty damn good nontheless.

[@EathanH34]

For this car in particular the sounds in Assetto Corsa are practically identical to real life. While pCars 2 might sound nicer, it's not as realistic.

[@dubol07]

NoseyGuyy, come on guyy!! I never understand what it is with some of you people. Just give credit where its due. Stop being a fan boy. Check the following links out: watch?v=mXaX03Kf4OQ&t=79s For the following particular link scroll to the 3:07 mark when the driver steps on the gas for speed then listen. watch?v=lRexE54p-vs&t=162s Project cars sounds much closer to reality than Assetto Corsa there isn't a debate about this.

[@UrbanChaos20]

@NoseyGuyy: Lmao, Assetto Corsa's engine sounds are rubbish. Dog shit in every sense of the word.

[@mrj3217]

AC is far better.

[@LillithMK]

You shouldn't drive and play VR at the same time :/

[@TheExtraMile]

Gotcha :)

[@981deadman]

you should be comparing P.Cars 1 with assetto not P.2 Cars, that doesnt make any sense, its like comparing a cessna with a boeing 747, lmao

[@TheExtraMile]

Hehe, I see your point, but I kind of feel like that has been done and everyone knows that Project Cars 1 doesn´t stand a chance against Assetto Corsa. I think the point with this is to see if PC2 has improved enough to compete with AC.

[@HeretixAevum]

I don't see how it's an unreasonable comparison. They're both sims available for sale right now and are both pretty popular, why not compare them? Especially when you get many insisting the AC is better?