The Power of the Saracens Market

[@ggg21201]

I just realized he didn't drop a single farm down because he went all in on castle age. He stopped making vils around 27-ish. I've never really thought about that, but it makes total sense for Saracens. First, you end up saving a lot of wood in the long run by not building farms until you get horse collar/heavy plow which is a nice little perk. But more importantly, an all in strat requires you to do damage to justify it. But that's exactly where Saracens excel. Their archer bonus allows them to get into your base quickly and start doing damage fast, and is relatively useless as a bonus when you aren't being the aggressor, which going all in forces you to do. So an all-in type strat like this is pretty effective for a civ like the Saracens. The market also plays into this. All that extra speed from aging up fast and the extra gold going straight into gold-heavy cav archers makes a lot of sense.

[@toastybatch565]

Maybe we’ve found how they were designed to be played! Historically the saracens didn’t farm, right? They just imported food. Duh!

[@124085]

Is that actually true?

[@AhmedMostafa-ir2bl]

@@124085 not quite the saracens didn't have to many farms so they trade with other people

[@44ahmed35]

@@124085 Historically, Saracens (Arab) controlled Indian ocean trade (spices trade) with India, Malay and south Asia to Byzantines and Europe, till European Renaissance where Portugal, Netherlands, British.. established their colonies there.

[@mohamedkabha6861]

@@124085 not really the arab agriculture revolution is an important part of history this is how the orange, the banana, the lemon got introduced into Europe

[@Megiago]

at 06:33 he lets the villagers build the mining camp without delivering the food at a mill or the TC, but it still drops off. Thats a gamechanger for me :D

[@Patchnote2.0]

The same applies to farms. Sending, for example, a lumberjack to build a farm will have the wood automatically drop off once the farm is built.

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

@@Patchnote2.0 Really? I thought it only applied to farms? Was that a DE change?

[@Jiorgon]

@@zachariastsampasidis8880 Any place they can deliver goods, tower centers included.

[@sgtpepper8581]

@@zachariastsampasidis8880 that applies since first aoe

[@Evaniskus]

It auto drops off even if a lumber/mine is built while holding food in hand?

[@admintdsplc752]

14 minutes to kill 2k1, you need nerf not saracean

[@depressedknight369]

lol

[@hjelsethak]

Saracen fc cav archers is prolly my favorite strat that you go for, viper.

[@0CTR]

Norwegian Living in Germany holding US Currency: What do I do with this

[@nicolasrivero3027]

And speaking English..

[@kevinchacon3590]

And wearing a t-shirt from an english club

[@glasshalfempty9742]

It’s the bastardizedisation of everything man

[@shahrezaDE]

Wp biper enjoying your videos even at my holiday in Valencia. Poor AJ my buddy he had no chance at all.

[@xelicide]

I am in the middle of a long drive and this will be nice to listen to. Thank you

[@kevley26]

Saaaame honestly I always look forward to the Viper.

[@200mccsa]

to ... listen to?

[@xelicide]

Yes, it was me all along! Yes I was driving so I can’t watch it actively

[@MikeEmpires]

When usually is the exact best time to build a market on team play? It’s too much wood to spend on early game and it can get in the way of other stuff.

[@Walkop]

I'm no Viper, but I'd say it depends on your teammate. Do you need shared line-of-sight to communicate effectively for a shared push in Feudal? Typically you don't need trade until late Castle Age at least. Market entirely depends on your ability to function as a team without shared line of sight. It would also change based on your strategy.

[@hellpunch9414]

Saracen market costs only 75 wood

[@bameno6641]

8.14 the musik is soooo epic, almost the best thing in the game. I listen to it and love the world and to be alive im this time. I d like to shouldaout to all my friensa but i al not on drugs, and now the feeling is gone noool

[@husseintoufaily2424]

To be fair , while the saracens market is good for early aggression it's not sustainable for long. If the enemy manages to repel your early attacks, your economy has no food to fall back on, so you are pretty much dead if your early attack doesn't cripple him.

[@ad3z10]

If AJ knew what Vipers eco was like he'd probably go full skirm as producing knights wouldn't have been viable with 0 farms but, he probably assumed that Vipi had at least some farm eco rather than all in CA.

[@HolyShitNew]

4:22 well of course i know him he‘s me

[@steelfoam2518]

Pretty weird how people are only now realizing you can use the 15 year old smush stone selling strats to buy anything you want. The market has also been -75w for quite some time. I really like them as my main civ for that. It isn't as simple as the posts of stone buying maths make it to be. You can sell stone even past those amounts for a high risk medium reward all in.

[@mohammedaljaberi2366]

its -100 wood in DE

[@CrnaStrela]

I played when market still 175w

[@Fiddlevlad]

Yesterday I tried to improvise this strat vs hardest A.I., only to be reminded that I'm just a pleb and should stick to simple pleb strats :)

[@Gleidur]

10:46 well that rules you out, Pippin

[@SilverFan21k]

More saracen market videos please

[@spIette]

I like the attention to detail with the new thumbnails

[@fiable262626]

Need a spirit of the law analysis....

[@loudradialem5233]

I'm glad the balance team didn't nerf the Saracen market. It's way too fun to use!

[@fiable262626]

Lol bonus that has been there since AoK and underused... 20 years later... this is OP! Nerf!

[@anllt705]

Will you play the historical battle campaigns?

[@ciupinopeppino123]

Is it a good strategy to attack only with mameluks and imperial camel drivers?

[@metalpower19]

i am too noob to undersyand the strategy. Can some one explain please?

[@Imperiused]

Saracens get excellent rate of exchange at their Markets. Viper performed a militia rush here, and then just bought the resources he needed to age up to Castle. Usually a militia rush would slow you down and cause you to reach Castle Age at a later time, but Saracens can do it.

[@ggg21201]

To add...if it's the market bonus part that confuses you, then it's like this: each resource in the game (gold, wood, stone, food) gathers at different speeds. Food is especially slow, all the while being the most important resource in the beginning of the game because you need it for villagers, upgrades, and aging up. Thus, instead of using precious villager time and resources on building and maintaining farms, Saracens just mine MORE gold or stone or even wood and trade for their food since it's so much faster to gather those resources then it is to gather food. You can trade around 1500 food before it starts to become inefficient since the price of food rises each to you purchase it. So the Saracens age up REALLY fast at the beginning of the game and it compliments their strong Castle Age. However, the strategy relies a bit on being able to protect yourself early with a decently closed map and it definitely helps to be a fast, defensive player like Viper is.

[@meytah8382]

if market gets removed give them an eco bonus instead. They are top 5 for worst civ bonuses other than the market.

[@meytah8382]

and thats only good for high level play because most people don't know how to abuse it, you should make a guide for saracens market

[@mohammedaljaberi2366]

I'am a Saracen myself, and I'm proud.

[@daledo8604]

Could a counter market have helped AJ? Sell excess food, buy stone, and tower defense?

[@ahmetsaidgurdal6702]

Saracens market strat for the pros

[@Dragonstar_aoe]

That smug smile on the thumbnail , Love it 11

[@TomHogenberg]

That would make sara''sense''

[@tag180rotax]

Moving out in feudal was a mistake too

[@deadwarrior1753]

glad to see we dutchies are also active in this games aswell :) congrats with the W

[@el-conquisto8512]

Saracen really powerful even Without cavalier and halberd

[@artamutt5485]

Viper has ended his brylcream hair experiment.

[@suyashahirrao1080]

Can someone plx explain the Saracens market bonus?

[@santiagotopali1]

costs 5% more to buy and 5% down to sell. ALWAYS, So... basically any resource can be anything else with a 10% discount.

[@mohammedaljaberi2366]

the tax from using market in all other civs are 30% while Saracens tax from using market in 5% which means if you want to sell 100 food for 100 gold (no tax) the price will show you sell 100 food for 70 gold in the all other civs while in the same exact situation in saracens you sell 100 food for 95 gold

[@mohammedaljaberi2366]

in stone situation the initial market start from selling 100 stone for 130 gold (no tax) in all other civs selling 100 stone for (130-130*30%) = 130-39 = 91 gold in Saracens situation you sell 100 stone for (130-130*5%) = 130 - 6.5 = 123.5 will round up to 124 gold

[@29rogans7]

And thats how economical mirracle in Dubai happened

[@suyashahirrao1080]

@@mohammedaljaberi2366 Thanks man! You will make for a great teacher! (If you aren't one already!)

[@depressedknight369]

what was that.. i still didn't get it..

[@edwardblom2661]

Saracens get great trade rates at the market. So good in fact, that it is better to mine stone than gold the first ~500 stone you sell, you’ll get like 700 gold for it. With that gold he bought the food necessary to go to Castle age (800 food) without building a single farm, saving time and wood. Then he had almost all his eco on wood and gold, enough to pump out Cav archers from 3 ranges with like 30 vills. Crazy stuff right there.

[@depressedknight369]

@@edwardblom2661 damn . now i get it actually .. and thanks a lot budd... that was a great explanation... 👍👍 i just knew if we use market it affects the rates for all the players in the map, After this video i barely understood that rates differ with civs And after your explanation i realise now ..how important the market could be. OP🙌

[@virgilio123]

No more monster boar though

[@JackIsNotInTheBox]

DAT THUMBNAIL DOE

[@ShivShankarDayal]

Love you Ørjan Larsen!

[@HasanAmmori]

No one plays Saracens. They were never a top-civ. They had 1 op bonus when archers could destroy buildings and even that got nerfed. Why would you nerf them even more?

[@windwindy5356]

Don’t they still have +4 vs building?

[@HasanAmmori]

@@windwindy5356 they have +1/+2/+3 in feudal/castle/imp for archers, except skirmishers. Also team bonus +1 additional for foot archers. So yeah, technically they have +4 vs building, but only in imp and only for foot archers, except skirmishers, which is pointless. It went from one the best bonus in game to absolutely pointless bonus

[@fiable262626]

So many different things you can try with this bonus. Trick is to mine as much gold as possible (stone isn’t great). Going for food like scout or m@a arguably uses bonus better because you spend food more quickly.

[@fiable262626]

The great thing is you can do a pivot into huge farm production after castle upgrades and sell all that food to get gold back

[@mindustrial]

drush is new meta?

[@tayyabsohail2932]

Viper with Manchester United shirt Boyyyyyy u r my love

[@BironClark]

Amazing thumbnail hahaha

[@WestHaddnin]

Can somebody fill me in on the saracen market? I don't get why it's so good?

[@kashifchanna7098]

it is not good.it is balanced learning to use market is good stratgety to win as saracens Dont rely onfarms until heavy pillow done after it u can use farm only if you have excessive wood and don't need anymore for your building Just be sure to sell stone once you are in feudal age and send 2 villager to mine stone so you can sell then and buy food. if the stone mines are too far away from your base. Then you have the wood option sent 5 or 6 villager to wood then sell it whenever you need food

[@RicoHansen75]

Why the fuck should everything be nerfed?? might as well just have 1 civ...

[@moranpesca30]

Bug min 10:46

[@radutaroi]

I love Saracens mastapieces

[@recepklcerkan231]

A101' i denemeden karar verme, Viper Reis, selamun aleyküm 😀

[@ebinbenny]

Yay, GGMU !!

[@neanderthales5594]

Epic thumbnail

[@valentecabralperez9769]

use sarracens against Mryo xD

[@adnanhuzaifa6391]

wow mr viper sorry i am a noob i do not really use the main troops and building that the pro do like i never use the market nor do i use mangonels because i never know when do they be beneficial i mean how am i supposed to know if the use of market is a good trade or no what is good price for me to sell stone or wood or gold this is really insane please help me mr viper or any one i do not think i learnt this in my school or i will learn it when i get bigger or so

[@Terencetog]

The idea is that instead of building farms, just mine lots of gold and stone. Mining camps cost 100 wood, farms cost 60 each. You can then sell the stone and buy whatever (food) you need

[@Progeusz]

it's not a case of good price what matters is what resources you need, market allows getting them fast

[@redstatesaint]

I don't know of any schools which would teach you this, but you should go over to 'Spirit of the Law': he does a lot of the statistical analysis you might be interested in.

[@adnanhuzaifa6391]

@@Terencetog thanks but how many villagers are ideal to do that and when if the food price is 130 so why would i get 100 food for 130 gold is it beneficial or not and the prices even go further than that if someone already used it right so how is it broken btw thanks for all who are replying :)

[@adnanhuzaifa6391]

@Diego Barboza thanks you really much sir i will try your trick and i have a question how many gold miners we need to sustain food production

[@VonKrauzer]

Are you actually serious? You do know that market is the only saving grace for Saracens. Take it from them or nerf it and they will be pummeled down to dirt. No eco bonus whatsoever aside from market shenanigans. If anything, it at least gives a new, unique experience that no other civ can offer.

[@iceintheair]

lmao viper this is fuc#ing hilarious

[@tayyabsohail2932]

R u married?? Viper

[@ark5875]

Woo 19 seconds

[@angelleonmoreno8616]

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[@apogeeaor5531]

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