The Powercreep Drama Is Crazy In Honkai Star Rail | Wuwa 100% Exploration Later [HOPEFULLY]

[@redlove8861]

2:24:11 Yep this is the point. And this is why many people disagree with Mr.pokke. You did not struggle the way we did, you did not see the game evolve the way we did, you did not gacha the way we did. Why would we listen to someone like that? Why is this person speaking on behalf of us? This ego/elitism/narcissistic ass needs to get humbled

[@farhangp2552]

Absolutely godlike take W 👑

[@LostTrigger]

I played since release, missed like half of the characters and didnt get a 5 star dps until IL dropped (lost seele 50/50 and skipped blade/kafka). I have genuinely never failed to clear end game content after the first like 2 months of the game

[@PabloRodriguezreal]

​@@LostTriggerYou lost the point competely, its not simply about clearing, it's about how some units preform when they should have felt much better

[@LostTrigger]

@PabloRodriguezreal " its not simply about clearing" pokke's entire point is centered around clearing endgame content, if you are not talking about clearing endgame content then you are having an entirely different discussion

[@DethPenguin]

And why is it only being discussed heavily now? Because the rate of HP inflation has gone fucking turbo in the past few months. Universally people are clearing MoC with less and less cycles to spare even when pulling for the new shiny. I guess powercreep defenders in this discussion are too specced into hindsight because I don't know how you don't have the foresight to see your 2.X teams consistently clearing 1-2 cycles slower on average than the last reset at this current rate and not come to the conclusion you'll be pushed out of a 10 cycle clear before May, even with """smart""" pulling in 2.X. And with AOE and Remembrance units to shill you know you'll be getting dog shit in the way of new units to revitalize your Break / FUA / Acheron teams; or maybe you will, but better guess as to which one of those archetypes will actually be healthy for your account in 2025 and not leave you holding the bag with another Sparkle situation.

[@williamhaas8171]

I’m new to the gacha space, but I’ve been apart of communities for live service games, MMO games, and just video games in general for years and years. The level of coping from the gacha community is insane, but it’s also not a surprise considering the tried and true methods of psychological manipulation in gacha games. Smack hits the nail on the head: excusing power creep and the techniques the devs use actually enables it. Coping makes it worse, literally. Also, some of the content creators saying “don’t be greedy!” are literally doing the advertising for these characters! They are, true to their name, influencing people to pull for the hot new thing.

[@KamiGemaGaming]

This comment 👆🏾

[@paganflute3989]

i stopped playing HSR, stopped zzz, went back into Wuwa after i hadnt played any gacha for months now. That reset made me appreciate Wuwa more in style and other things.

[@milliondreams2206]

My bad guys I pulled for jingliu coz every cc was saying she da best character

[@frostyyy6823]

Ain’t nothing wrong with her

[@nyxzebq]

you should know acheron firefly and feixiao coming because mr. pokke said so.

[@vfdioxy4257]

To be fair at the beginning of the game, most players and CCs assumed that it would be similar to genshin ( so with an extremely slow powercreep for a gacha game ), meaning that they thought characters would be relevant for long periods of time. Nowadays pretty much everyone knows that even the new "strongest dps" will get powercrept

[@MJAY552]

I still used her this current moc, just takes longer cycle but she did it

[@fahimfaisal7571]

​@@MJAY552who's the supports? Sunday? Robin? Yeah that's what I thought. This game is so utterly support focused that it almost doesn't even matter who you are pulling nowadays.

[@Musashi42069]

"There is no powercreep in Ba sing se"

[@blahblahblah3716]

Someone tell Pokke that Hoyo will give early access to him even if he agree with hsr powercreep and hp inflation problem.

[@thaitoan4760]

But he does tho?

[@bigfootisreal_]

​@@thaitoan4760 Yes and no, he says it's a problem then makes arguments that allude to it not being a problem by blaming it on the player choices if they find it to be a problem. He kept contradicting himself the whole video. When in reality it's hoyo who's creating the problem and their resolution for the players is the new limited banner.

[@waeadas4055]

​@@thaitoan4760He agree then give you corpa slave response😂

[@horfith]

Since launch, F2P players (like myself) would only get the limited characters once and never pull for the lightcone, because back then there's a substitute lightcones in herta shop or in event rewards (for example The Hunt Herta lightcone for selee and Before Tutorial Starts event lightcone for Silver Wolf), but after dhil came out up until 2.0+ update starts that's where a lot of limited characters really need either their S1 or Eidolons. Acheron needs her lightcone, Rappa needs her lightcone, Robin kinda don't need it that much, but there's a ton of characters like feixiao need her own lightcone. Now as a F2P player I got acheron e0s0, I got feixiao e0s1, and I still can't full star anything not because I'm bad, it's because I don't have any complementary characters for their team comps like Aventurine and Jiaoqiu, I legit can't get them. The fear of getting old characters and then regretting it after because a new and more powerful unit came out is the reason why f2p players can't keep up with the powercreep. The players are not the problem, the game developers are the problem, but even though we complained about it, they'll still do it just because people still happily eat every shit that the devs cooked for them. Tl;dr Powercreep sucks, MrPokke should make a new f2p account (but i doubt bro will go full f2p with oilers on his chat)

[@ShadowPhoenix82]

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[@kuvjason7236]

3:11:57 this is funny because someone asked pokke this exact scenario on twitter and bro responded with *You decided to pull. Hoyo didnt point a gun to your face* You cant be fuking serious. Might as well wait until 4.X characters

[@rere6845]

Hey thats me! 😁

[@brianmoore5366]

The moment I noticed a problem was when my E2 Feixiao hit Svarog for 756k, and his hp bar moved just a little bit. This is the best dps in the game at a higher investment level than what most people have. She has the highest toughness dmg in the game, and she is barely scratching it. This is the top dps in the game currently what are the other units going to do. HSR has shown no signs of slowing down. They have just been rapidly increasing the hp bar. While your units maybe getting 3 star clear, adventually your going to get to the point where they can't do that. Hell i don't even use my E0S1 Acheron. No Jq. Takes her 3-4 cycles to clear. Im not using her anymore cause im using FF and Feixiao who can 0-1 cycle. I want to use her but she struggles so hard to clear. She has become a waste of resources, time, and money. She is just one example. I have several units like smack said are depreciating. Why am i continuing to waste time resources on a unit that will become useless in 4 patches. There is no amount of planning and wise spending that will change that. Genshin has its problems, but i give credit where credit is due. They have kept a very firm hand on powercreep in the game. Hp bars have gradually increased over time but they've only been slight increases. Units that where strong in the past most are still very strong today. A good bit of those being 4 stars. How many 4 stars are actually viable in hsr. There are only 2 units that have been drastically overtuned, and that's neuvillette and Mauvika. And they didn't destroy the game like Acheron. They've become comfort characters. And this all maybe cause Genshin favors the casual player base. Again i give credit where credit is due. Ive been playing 5 gacha games and i need to give one up. HSR is the one i am putting up on the choping block. It all depends on how well the 3.x patches go. If it continues to be more of the same i am going to move on to a game that appreciates my time more. Right now i have no issues with ZZZ and wuwa but they are young time will tell if they will do better. Right now i am very satisfied with both dev teams. HSR is pissing me off and Genshin's dev team. Nobody has any idea what they are doing. I still enjoy the game for some odd reason. Something about keeps me coming back even when i take month breaks

[@brianmoore5366]

Sorry for anyone who read all this. I think at some point i lost it and started ranting

[@Totsukachi]

I spent everything I'd saved for months on a character in HI3rd and in the next patch for the release of part 2, she'd already been powercreeped lol And people still have the guts to say “team honkai is different, that won't happen in HSR” BRO IT'S THE SAME COMPANY! Imagine that

[@9019fran]

power creep in hi3rd is a different beast, can't pull shit in that game lmao, luckily lateley they've been releasing new gear for some older valks to make them meta again... but you still have to pull for that so idk

[@legacymse7095]

Still remember my entire herrscher elysia freeze team getting powercrept by grown up emo TeriTeri with her double chainsaws ALONE. Fuck HI3rd

[@Galahad109]

It might seem like a joke but in reality, your first hour analysis was what exactly what happened to me. I vertically invested in DoT, pulled for supports and in 2.1 I felt "forced" to top-up to get Acheron after loosing fifty-fifty before her banner ended.

[@Borovski213]

16:20 is the reason why I refuse to vertically invest in a team / archetype. During 1.6 towards 2.0, you would think that DoT was the way to go with how powerful Kafka-BS combo was. It felt like they can challenge anything. Kafka is a really good pull since you can just slot her with any unit. Then the devs completely ditched DoT and went for break. Nobody knew that would happen. You cannot blame the player for going such route. Hence why calling the playerbase stupid was, well, stupid on pokke's side he really went full tectone 2.0 here. like what dafuq was that

[@LostTrigger]

disagree, dot is a back loaded team comp full of characters that dont individually do alot of damage but make up for it in total team damage. you can say that kafka makes dot front loaded but kafka is one of 3 characters on the team actually front loading the damage which means that the other 3 characters contribute 0 damage until the enemy takes their turn (thus making it still back loaded). I skipped kafka for this reason because dot just isnt that good. if you invested in dot then you should sideline them to pf and be happy that you wont need new erudition characters fua characters (ignoring like feixou) have a similar dps to dot characters but they work better because they can deal damage like 3x as often as dot triggers even with kafka

[@Borovski213]

@@LostTrigger by your explanation, where only 1 character is technically doing damage while the others are just extras, theres really no difference between DoT and Hypercarry then? BS puts the DoT, Kafka explodes em. In another term, Sunday pulls the LL and give buffs, JY drops it. DoT was not able to fully shine bcs hoyo dropped it. Meanwhile FuA is getting a glorified version thru memosprites. You cannot blame ppl going for dots seeing how powerful and easy they were to be built, 0 crit stats

[@9019fran]

@@LostTrigger mostly every team only has 1 character that does most of the damage, Acheron teams, fua teams (Feixiao), honestly the only archetype that's different is break

[@LostTrigger]

@@9019fran thats not a good point, black swan at e0 does like 50k per dot acheron does 50k on her skill and 500k on her ult, these are not the same characters. black swans 50k doesnt proc until the enemy turn, acherons 50k is on her own turn on top of doing 500k. that gets worse if you break the enemies or reduce their speed. topaz does like 200k no sig her first wave, moze does maybe 150k no dupes with no sig. dot damage is just bad, it has always been bad, the only saving grace was kafka making the damage less front loaded. the difference between dot and fua is frontloaded vs back loaded (and big dmg dealers). fua damage is similar to dot damage but trigger way faster ON TOP OF having big damage dealers like fuaxian. so fua's lower damage sources arent an issue because they trigger like 6+ times a character per cycle. if you take out feix fua as a team comp would still be better than dot because they front load their damage much better

[@LostTrigger]

@@9019fran like if you actually looked at the e6 damage a sampo dot does and compare that to an e6 moze fua trigger, their close enough lets say 25k. sampo triggers that 25k maybe twice per cycle, 3 if hes lucky. moze triggers that 25k potentially 6x and then add his skill damage + ult on top of that. you add kafka that pushes sampo procs to 4-5 per cycle. lets say 6, lets say 6 for 6 they are equal, moze still ults, moze still has skill damage. the issue is dot. if you start adding kafka's I can just throw in any other fua character and dot will still lose. and I want you to know I inflated those sampo numbers it would probably be closer to 20k which just widens the divide between dot and everyone else any backloaded damage will be bad in any game, thats hsr, thats genshin, thats wuwa etc. jingyuan was mid why? because hes back loaded. why is he good now? because sunday makes him front loaded. if you took out sunday but made LL faster he might not be as good but he'd be alot more relevant

[@Kunoichi4ever4]

Pokke´s issue is that he thinks we are playing investment wars on Wall Street, and not just playing a casual gacha game... We want to have fun and clear the content without having to not pull for 6-8 months to save up for 1 unit that MAY/MAY NOT be worth the investment. Most pregnancies require less strategizing... And sure, you can beat the content even as a f2p if you get the foresigt of Jesus and farm for months without any enjoyment and then pull once per 6 months, but at that point the "smart" decision is to get the hobby that provides a better ratio of time spend v. enjoyment obtained... Like sure I guess if you quit the game the powercreep will no longer affect you, but I doubt this is how he meant his controversial tweet. And I d not go as far as to call f2p who want to continue to play the game and enjoy it - dumb/greedy....its a game my guy - all the people are asking is to be allowed to have fun in the game without having to give up their ability to play endgame.... TLDR: Bob for president.

[@eckology016]

The casual gacha game is still there. It's the story and events and everything else. MoC is just adding something extra for people who want to be sweaty. It's not required. As he said, the ROI for spending all your jades to do it is just not there. If you want a casual gacha game, then why are you worried about MoC? "We want to have fun AND clear all the contnet." Yeah man, that's greed. You're the guy in the tweet. You can pull for whoever, or clear a wholly unnecessary endgame mode. That's up to you. Doing both might cost you some money.

[@celestialwizard5441]

@@eckology016after reading every comments so far, you’re the first one that actually makes sense lol. Not taking any sides but pokke’s points ain’t wrong either but people really aren’t ready for that 🤷‍♂️

[@kennethyoung7457]

@@celestialwizard5441 I see people complain about powercreep on one hand than on the other I see people still using f2p E0S0 Blade to clear both sides of MOC this cycle. There is certainly lots of powercreep but there is also bad decision making going on from the player where they pull for random characters instead of focusing their pulls on creating teams. I pull some characters I want like E0S0 Jingliu on her rerun in 2.1 I still use her to clear the current MOC with Sunday, Robin and Lingsha. I am a spender myself but I know plenty of f2p that have better stuff than I do like E2S1 Firefly and they 0 cycle easily. You can't realistically expect to just stop pulling, use exact same teams and just cruise through all endgame until end of service in a gacha. They're playing the wrong type of game if they expect that.

[@celestialwizard5441]

@ I agree! I first played when it was the last week of seele’s banner and was f2p all the way through until firefly released. I thought about it and I told myself I would only get the express pass since I was skipping banners anyways and I would pull only for who I want/like anyways and I started investing in eidolons on older units (e1 ruan mei and planning to e2 her and other characters) I thought it was stupid to keep pulling on newer characters when you can invest even more on your already built characters and I don’t have a problem with clearing All endgame while f2p and dolphin-ing. YES power creep is inevitable but not impossible IF you just chill out and just think for a moment. Sure you can do what you want and pull who you want but you can’t be surprised when you can’t beat end game content because you don’t have a properly formed team

[@lastchildz8567]

The problem you all have crying about in the video and comments is that you assume that all content made by Mihoyo is intended for a single category of player, while there is content for normal people who follow the story and like small fights and content for big whales who want to collect rich and beautiful people.

[@youness4247]

MrPokke is out of touch since he always gets characters paid by viewers or himself, he has no perspective on what the average player gets in the game, even with some minimal spending. And the reality is you can't just "choose" a character, skip another, when some of these need each other to function at a decent level...

[@Tiasung]

Yeah thats the big issue atm. Early on it was enough to just pull for the characters and some good ones too. Now its required to build their teams which means having to pull for more units just for the one unit you want to play.

[@EddieBlake215]

Hoyo could have been smart about this, they could have added 2-3 more stages to MoC, and give the players some rewards, let's say MoC 13 60 jades, MoC 14 and 15, 50 jades each, in the large scheme of things, it's just another pull. They could have made those 3 stages harder without any complaint, everyone could still do the content that they did the week before this update dropped and they would have new stages to challenge themselves against, the fact that these stages would be catered to the new characters and or recent characters would have been lost in the discourse that the new stages and the team comps/strategies for them would generate... Instead, they added 600k HP to bosses, 250-300k HP to elites, and some 30-150k to mobs and critters... FUN!

[@jakit0556]

BTW this is inaccurate because if your character is in the first half you lose half the pulls basically because it is pulls per patch not half

[@NS-ku1kf]

Pokkie arguement doesn't make sense. Yes you have enough pulls to pull a team that you want. The problem is by the time you complete them, after 2 patches they will get power crept and you have to pull another set of team again. Someone like Pokkie who gets extra jades and spend money has an easier time to catch up to the META unlike F2P players. People rn are finding the current MOCs and the last one much harder, and it literally got a HP nerfed after a big HP Inflation. It was suppose to be even harder.

[@NS-ku1kf]

And ik this for a fact because I was around 1.x. Everyone talks how IL can ignore weakness and just brute force the red bar. Now they are saying he struggles with the current MOC. Now all I am seeing is how Acheron is so easy and still can win the lasest MOC, yea just wait for a few more patches bud. History's repeats.

[@eckology016]

If Super Break and FUA aren't clearing MoC in 2-3 patches, then you're 100% correct. Don't think we're gonna see that happen, though.

[@NS-ku1kf]

@@eckology016 talking about characters in general. Not paths.

[@rudeimouto3034]

Bro missed wuwa for this shit, ant no way.

[@Ninjadede1]

Wuwa story not got gonna run away. Smack gotta grind the drama while its hot and get that bag

[@Panda-yw4us]

TBF it's one of the few HSR drama that's actually worth talking about

[@Itachiflameamaterasu]

​@@Ninjadede1he already did the story, it's the exploration that he was gonna do, but this was worth it.

[@jaceee4154]

Wuwa is here But juicy drama needs to be timed

[@milmil5350]

WuWa not going anywhere, don't be a baby.

[@GaIIeon]

Who would've thought that the company known for its greed is showing that now in HSR. I know Genshin, HSR & ZZZ have different Teams, but these are Executive Decisions and Executives are not part of the individual Teams, they stand above them. I wonder when people will realise that they play into Hoyo's Hands when they shit on Genshin but play ZZZ instead (*ahem* Tectone) Its only a matter of time till ZZZ is the next Game that gets powercreep and is being less "generous" This company is the problem not the Game Genshin/HSR. I cannot wait for Azur Promillia, Ananta, NTE, AK Endfield, Duet Night Abyss, etc to come out and pull some of the Gacha audience their way.

[@hareshrk6259]

matter of time ? miyabi.

[@justarandomguy8694]

100% agree but you're speaking like zzz's powercreep isn't cooked already w Miyabi's release. She sets an extremely unhealthy precedent

[@Justaepictimgamer]

@@justarandomguy8694cleared shiryu zhu yuan anby nicole and s11 caesar lucy but in hsr in 1.4 i couldnt clear moc wit my seele the powercreep is real but letz be real its inevitable on these gacha games all the devs can do is delay it or lower it as long as possible tats why miyabi got nerfed 3 times in the beta also f2p btw

[@GaIIeon]

@@justarandomguy8694 I don’t play ZZZ anymore (I quit in 1.1), so I don’t really know whats going on in that game. But if so, then I wonder why they all talk about HSR powerkreep and leave ZZZ alone

[@DethPenguin]

Yeah I've got no clue what people saying "Dissatisfied with HSR? Play ZZZ, or Genshin is good now again!" are smoking. That hoyoslop fried their frontal lobe.

[@mars.3125]

The Rp Walkthrough was very entertaining, loved it. Hilarious, informativ and for many players hopefully eye opening what the Devs been up to past x patches. You should definitely make it into a separate video. 👍

[@reigncyan2427]

Mr pokke think he is saintontas. But tbh both lc and character banner required MASSIVE amounts of jade if u fail the 50/50 and the 75/25. Also everyone is using the same meta team unlike the start of hsr where people have fun with qq gamble or sustain welt.

[@shutup1037]

That's the thing. Fun character to use is not good anymore unless you spend sooo mucch on relic hell and its bad rng. But they always sell the solution instead of making character self sufficient while still can be supported. Instead they make Harmony, support character soooo freaking broken like dumbass

[@JakePurdy-qk9yb]

That's exactly what happened to me 😂 when I first start playing my luck was good on both bankers then once u lose both the 50/50 and 75/25 it starts becoming a problem then the powercreep units u have to skip

[@saverngild_o7]

Keep in mind guys: Powercreep is a Problem Eastern v.s Western "Stupid & Greedy" "Bob"

[@Mattyhaz123]

I always appreciate facts, logic and the data to back it up. The people arguing against the powercreep being bad, don't have this level of hard fact data for their point of view.

[@kuvjason7236]

Pokke is gonna play victim in a few days. Just watch. This boy is deplorable

[@WestProZ17]

Just a Hoyo suck off and a meta slave. He doesn't understand the struggles of f2p players. (also great pfp mr haha)

[@donewastingtime7939]

He did the same with Genshin/WuWa recently. Flame the fans for long with pitting the two against each other, then acting "woe is me omg WuWa players so toxic" because he got spammed in chat when playing new Natlan update. You know, spammed the things he was the one nurture in his own community in the first place, yet he is acting as all of it came out of nowhere just because Kurobots hate Genshin I guess, even though he was the one to nurture these things in his own community in the first place.

[@sweeleongng333]

Well Pokke definitely siding with Hoyo because he in HSR creator program, he will never blame the dev.

[@BrockyX1]

I have always hated pokke but never expected him to get to this point, truly pathetic

[@PhantomOverlordX2]

Pokke same dude who thinks triple banner is also fine, when yet according to the reddit sheet count of SJ, you can only get ONE 5 star lol.

[@Tiasung]

Might be bit of audience capture too. I saw most in his chat share his opinion so maybe its actually more theirs then his? I think its wild that people dont atleast agree that those triple banners are whalebait and not to help the players. I dont know how anyone can think F2P's are the ones benefitting from it when its big spenders (and those that *really* wanted a specific character and already saved a lot) that do.

[@Keidomochis]

New player should not care about endgame and choose what they wanna pull 😂

[@EyelessAugust]

Revisiting old patches the way you did was such an eye opener, I already agreed with you but that made me agree even more. This is sad to see, I like HSR a lot but man this is tainting the game. My 2025 resolution was to spend less on gachas but I think I’ll be even stricter on HSR. This will certainly be the last hoyo game I play, I can’t stand this company when they continue this greedy path.

[@TF_56]

If 2025 doesn't change the gacha landscape im probably not gonna play any other new gacha. Gonna quit hsr and fgo. WuWa and Nikke are honestly not that bad. Nikke is fairly f2p and WuWa seems to get 2x better after each update.

[@kiy0h]

no hate to anyone (this isn't even aimed directly at pokke) but i think it's really easy to forget what this game is like for most f2p players. even just spending a little makes a massive difference (i'm not f2p) hp inflation is cringe as fuck though. i don't care about cycle counts at all but unless the MOC buff is interesting it just makes the entire fight feel tedious. i'd rather they just raised the threshold on cycles allowed but i'm sure that would piss people off

[@EddieBlake215]

I'm a very low spender, I spent around $15-20 total, mainly I spent after I already played the game for about a year. I'm someone who played HSR since the last week of Seele's first banner, I have quite a lot of characters. This MoC is horrible for me, not because I didn't pull smart, or I didn't build my characters or I don't SPD tune and w/e, no, it's because I was unlucky, I lost 50/50 on Rappa (Welt), and on Fugue (Himeko), I have no major issues clearing the first side of MoC 12 this reset, but I have nobody to clear out the 2nd side. I have a guarantee for The Herta and I know that if I pull for her, put her in a team with Sunday, little Herta, and some sustain, she's gonna obliterate the 2nd side. Rather than the HP inflation, I really wish they went for more stages, keep the 800 jades for the first 12 stages, and add another two or three stages, each with their own rewards. I wouldn't have minded it at all, but the thought that I used to clear out the end-game content comfortably a week ago and now I'm struggling like I did almost 2 years ago when I just started with the game is so cringe... Hopefully, WuWa won't pull stuff like this anytime soon, but in the end, it's a gacha company and all gacha companies are the same in the long run.

[@donewastingtime7939]

Funny you say the last part as original MoC allowed 12 cycles for 3* originally, starting off with 40 cycles. Know when this got reduced and it went to 10, with it started with 30 cycles? Ah, yes. When the biggest HP inflation + enemy toughness increase happened with RM release that started hurting certain units from comfortably clearing (i.e. Blade). Sure, Blade could still clear, but this is where the first warning signs started happening as we had a unit like him that wasn't as crazy as DHIL or Jingliu dps-wise, but could still clear without care (sometimes even having faster clears than DHIL in MoC), to him becoming Mr. 8-cycles that needs Jesus and miracle itself to perform. Take in note that prior to RM release, he was doing more than fine. Not broken, or most meta, but more than fine. Literally one patch and MoC later he fell of this bloody hard to the point of almost being unusable, until he did become unusable with more HP inflation after that.

[@_TheStormThatIsApproaching]

Yeah, I mean artificial difficulty is just shitty game design in the first place.

[@d0minican0milan0]

I'm not sure many people would give a shit of they upped the cycle threshold. Most elitists are obsessed with 0 cycles...if you arent 0 cycling they consider you to be trash anyway so upping the cycle threshold would really just be a net positive for the community.

[@z33iihh]

Whats so funny is that he strongly believes he UNDERSTANDS what hes saying, but he doesn't.

[@tipithedhedhistar4132]

Bob is Him so I decided to do a Bob simulation till the current patch where he can clear this MOC with a team that Mr Pokke said was within f2p pull economy. It took him 8-9 cycles btw. Assumptions: I will use 100 pulls as a token for each limited character, 65 for a lc, and try my best to build an account similar to the one he used to clear moc 12 with the "Power crept Characters" 1.0: 213 pulls acquired. I will pick up both Seele and Jingyuan, so I have 2 strong cps's to tackle end game. 1.1: Oooh mono quantum could be good for Seele, I pick up Sw leaving us with 10 pulls left. 1.2: Easy skip none of these characters help complete my teams. (103 pulls I the bank) 1.3: Fu Xuan will help Mono Quantum so we pick her up. (119 pulls remaining) 1.4: Jingliu is broken, but I can still clear well with my current 2 dps's, I will pick up Seele lc. (131 pulls) 1.5: Huo Huo acquired. (137 pulls) 1.6: Ruan Mei acquired (140 pulls) 2.0: Ooo Sparkle will complete my mono quantum and I can get Before Dawn on JY (100 pulls left) 2.1: Acheron and Aventurine are cool but I don't need another lightning dps (221 pulls left) 2.2: Robin is game breaking with one of the best E1's. Acquired Robin e1 (127 pulls left) 2.3: Skip (240 pulls left) 2.4: Skip (328 pulls left) 2.5: Robin rerun gets e2 and s1 (266 Pulls left) 2.6: Skip (372 Pulls left) 2.7: Sunday E0 S1 pulled (290 pulls left) Notes: using this path it’s high unrealistic that you will be able to clear end game consistently. APOC especially seems extremely fishy. Also you are stuck to only playing 2 different teams. Or else you are being “stupid and or greedy”. You would also have to have the divine foresight to not further invest into Ruan mei/ Sparkle Eidolons with the knowledge of Sunday and Robin. Also you would have to resist not even trying to create a Super break team and or Acheron/Feixiao. Luck is also an important factor. If it takes more than 100 pulls which is likely when you lose this entire plan falls apart.

[@marioritter7014]

That's a terrible plan. Also, if you pull for eidolons, yes, you're making your peace with not getting characters instead. That's not divine foresight, that's common sense.

[@tipithedhedhistar4132]

@ why is it terrible it clears moc 12. Spared you 300 pulls to build a third team and leaves you with 4 amazing supports

[@horfith]

Does this plan factor in if you lose 50/50, because it doesn't look like it is. Edit: My bad it's in the video

[@tipithedhedhistar4132]

@ it takes 100 pulls on average was my assumption. So that would include a mix of 50/50 losses and and wins. Of course if you are on a worse side of luck the plan isn’t as smooth sailing but there. Likewise if you are luckier than usual you will have more left over. But again it takes divine foresight to end up with such an account

[@eckology016]

"Also you are stuck to only playing 2 different teams. Or else you are being “stupid and or greedy”. " If you can play all the teams, what's the incentive for anyone to spend any money on the game?

[@TechyCatz]

Let me put everyone on a secret. This is the ultimate move to deal with powercreep. Quit 😮. I did this and I never had to worry about powercreep ever again 😂

[@TF_56]

I got Dr. Ratio, Feixiao s1, Topaz e3s1, Jingyuan, Acheron, Adventurine, Robin, Sunday, Kafka s1, Blackswan, Fuxuan, Yunli and Ruan Mei. All of these where pulled on debut. I pulled 0 times on reruns. Since I dont belive reruns are worth it. If you pull on reruns u are essentially shooting yourself in the foot, you will always be playing from behind. After Yunli I was essentially done with the game. And only got Yunli cuz I liked her 'counter' mechanic, otherwise I wouldn't get her also got Sunday cuz ever since he showed up I knew I wanted him. After Acherons banner I dont rly need anyone else and stopped being so hardcore and became an average player. Login 4 to 7 days a week to do dailies, do most events, finish main quest a week after it comes out and so on. Also 99% of side quests are yet to be finished. Im a main story handy. Can I clear MoC? Most of it. Can struggle on 11 and 12. AS? Game mode started as a joke but then got better. Might not 3 star last one but ez 2 star. PF sucks but sometimes they do have nice buffs/mechanics i think i only failed to fc 1 or 2 of them. Until Robins banner. After her banner I stopped doing end game content cuz it was just the same anyways plus got less time/invested in other games. Elden Rings dlc XDD.

[@Thunderdroceon]

I quit the around a few days after the first Apocalyptic Shadow dropped because I already knew this stuff was gonna get out of hand. I lost my Robin 50/50 and Firefly 50/50 so you can imagine how that gamemode was

[@waeadas4055]

I feel bad for future generation gamers, they gonna have to deal a lot of predatory stuffs because people like Pokke trying to push gacha practices as a norm in gaming.

[@derangedluke8146]

It's a mistake to even engage Pokke on any particular subject manner. He has a very chaotic gish gallop arguing style. His premise changes so often that he quickly forgets what his original premise even was and completely loses the plot. One of the most frustrating types to deal with.

[@mites7]

Pokke is doing his iyo impression

[@HiddenMasaya]

Powercreep is a good thing because it incentivizes players to quit the game faster. Also, the hsr team is greedy and stupid as well. The players are not at full fault here.

[@Thunderdroceon]

Honestly it made me quit hoyo games all together so the powercreep is really good here

[@kuvjason7236]

4:01:25 .. i also want to add ontop that, HSR's characters are built ontop of each other. For example, if you pull Fiexiao but you dont have Robin, Topaz, Adventurine,etc (yes, im aware Hm7th and Fraudze exists but pokkes argument is about the 5*s here).. Fiexiao aint shit alone. You're gonna have to pull for the characters i mentioned to just to make Fiexiao work and thats NOT, taking into account of winning or losing the 50/50s. According to Pokke, we're stupid and greedy for trying to make so and so work instead of pulling a trifecta bet and having the foresight to know 3.1 is gonna fuc over the FART or someone in 3.X+ is going to replace one of the FART members.

[@eckology016]

If you can't make Feixiao work with Hunt March, you're doing something colossally wrong. Or without Aventurine, even. I did this MoC with cycles to spare on my first try with RM/Fugue/E2FF (that I got F2P by skipping characters like Aventurine, Huo Huo, Argenti, having an off patch with Ratio, etc)/HMC and Feixiao/Robin/March 8th/Lingsha.

[@sevanvanhoolandt7733]

​@@eckology016Robin is BiS for FUA and Lingsha also does aoe FUA, making her the best replacement for Aventurine, even better in some scenarios. What even is your point here? Try it with Sparkle and Fu Xuan instead and tell me if you had fun.

[@eckology016]

@@sevanvanhoolandt7733 I did use Fu Xuan with FUA until 2.7, in fact, when I pulled Fugue and then was able to go no sustain on the other side (and will be using her again perhaps if I build a team that uses Remembrance MC and I need Lingsha back for break). Still got 36 stars every time. She and Lingsha are my only two sustainers I've ever pulled, and likely will pull for a long time because as Pokke said, as long as they keep your team alive, they're fine. And yes, I got Robin. I'm not ashamed about having Robin, nor is having Robin in any way, shape, or form a counterpoint here. It's further support of the argument Pokke made about being smart with pulls. She's already had one rerun and is about to have another and we've had 6 months+ at this point of every CC worth their salt saying she's the single best character in the entire game and everyone should pull for her. If you don't have her at this point, that is on you. Pokke even said during the Feixiao banner that if you don't have Robin, pull her before you pull Feixiao, so this isn't even hindsight. (And he said the same thing with Ruan Mei when she re-ran during the Firefly banner) If you don't have Robin, there's a 5 star limited character you do have and don't need as much as you need Robin. You know how I know that? Because that's literally every single other 5 star limited character, so unless you have 0, it's the case. And if you didn't pull Robin because you don't like Robin, well then you're making MoC harder on yourself, but that's your choice.

[@sevanvanhoolandt7733]

​@@eckology016 Considering my account, I had zero purpose to pull Robin without Feixiao. Going the other way around wouldn't have made any sense. And I am still supposed to be the dumb one because I didnt do what a random guy on the internet claimed was best for everyone. You schizo psychoanalysing accounts guys are so out of touch its insane.

[@lenasprototrap7281]

at this point what's keeping me in hsr is sink cost fallacy. If nothing changes in 3.0 + a couple of patches, and if things gets worse, I'm quitting. Who am I kidding it never gets better with gatcha. F hoyo.

[@TF_56]

Yeah. Same here. Im 80% sure im gonna quit after the Fate collab. And funny enough. Il also probably quit FGO in 2 years times maybe 2.5 since im quite sure the character everyone has been expecting is gonna release on the 10th anniversary. After that im out if that doesnt happen new years and THATS my limit unless they change the game in a way that favours the community/player or make a bunch of QoL updates.

[@TF_56]

NOTICE: Sunk cost falacy isnt too much trouble for me probs spent around 100? bucks or so. And even if it was 400 bucks I still wouldnt care. I dropped around 600 to 700 bucks in league and I havent played it in almost 1 year and the last 3 years I was essentially afk. Its quite simple. "If it aint fun, why bother?" -Reggie

[@fitakot4723]

It baffles me that Pokke demands to watch his entire 1.5 hour video to even argue with him, but refuses to read a long tweet

[@nasofrederico]

33:56 i skipped SW, i skipped the dragon guy and i skipped jingliyu and i have a very good account but i make a pause on the game for the moment. but the powercreep is allways be a way to push people to pull for new character to creat a need that don't really exist before you made the MOC lv12 in 0 cycle now you making in 2 cycle bro you still get your 3 stars so i don't understand the shit about taking the new character because of that. (Sorry for the english is not very good)

[@JumpyWizard00]

You know, I watch a decent amount of Pokke's content, as you, him, Iyo, etc are all knowledgeable on the game, meta, builds etc, and that's a lot of the reason people watch you. In order for you to be those sources of knowledge you invariably end up being "not average players" because like you say, you earn an income, you reinvest it into the game etc. The part that I find most egregious about what Pokke is doing here is his treatment of the community it's so wildly out of character for him. I look at my account, I'd argue I'm probably around "average". The thing that I vehemently disagree with the most over anything he said, is when he's coming at people and essentially not only saying that they are "stupid" but that if they think they aren't what they are is "overly sensitive". As Pokke and others have said, you can't play a F2P game and expect light spender or whale results. That's a fact, you are essentially at the mercy of the game. HOWEVER, there is a limit for every player which varies from person to person. As much as I respect Pokke, he has absolutely 0 right to call people stupid, and even less so to make such demeaning and derogatory statements calling people "r*tards" etc, even if you want to frame it in "good fun" and all that. He wouldn't say that to his peers or fans at a convention, no excuse to do it here either. In fact, you could just as easily argue that his argument for people being "thin skinned" applies the other way. If you have the balls to just insult a lot of your fanbase and the larger community over the internet, for "bants" then you yourself probably don't have the balls to be as insulting in person, because you know ultimately its a dick move. I'll still support the guy, but he needs to take the L on this one. Yes, he's highlighted powercreep exists, yes he's highlighted HP inflation, but ALL players have a limit to what they are willing to except, F2P or not. There's nothing wrong with that, it's not stupidity, it's not greed, it's not being frugal with pulls either. Players deserve to be able to play the game in such a way that they aren't drowning in banners, artificial difficulty increase and all the rest, because it will reach a tipping point and hoyo will feel the backlash. yes, hoyo needs to make money, yes their game is free, but they are beginning to push the limit and players are allowed to resent that without their intelligence and character being brought into question.

[@Tiasung]

Iyo and Pokke are still fairly young and imo relatively inexperienced when it comes to theorycrafting and discussions about it. Compared to say Sweetily, Code, Rex that have done these things for decades and also back when people were a lot more open to discussions, so there was a lot more respect towards others when talking about game mechanics etc. When you do have decades of experience you over time also gain understanding of different perspectives like how a newer or more casual player might experience things differently. That is why those guys make excellent guides for everyone, not just veteran players. I think Pokke let all the attention get to his head and he forgot that he is still a ''youn' one'' when it comes to these things. At his level he should a lot more humble like Gachasmack is these days.

[@utilae1]

Eidolons could be a way to counter power creep. They should put eidolons in the shop at 50% rate, so you can buff old characters and make them relevant in todays meta. Although this may not work well unless they had designed eidolons for this purpose, as it may not make the characters strong enough.

[@tLr1n]

Yea I believe this is a good idea, HSR wants players spending constantly which is why long-time vertical investments play the same role as players pulling for a copy of multiple team comps. I think making this distinction will place more emphasis on player loyalty and at least make the inevitable power creep hurt less

[@Tiasung]

HI3 does something similar. They also updated the standard banner. Imo they should move current standard into shop only, and 1.x characters into standard.

[@kaiipop4762]

I appreciate how smack keeps it real and takes into consideration the f2p’s perspective

[@blabblr1552]

Hey guys Bob here, I’m an idiot But what if they just added those older units to the standard pull. So when you lose a 50/50 you can get Edilons for those characters that we pulled for. This is of course assuming there edilons would help with todays endgame. Other gachas games do this minus the big ones. Real note Pokke is buggin

[@carneromichael]

It could be totally different if he said “bros hp inflation is happening, but we are smarter than that and will let not happen to us!”

[@handlerone5172]

Can someone help me understand this mentality at 1:40:00 or thereabouts? The way Smack says it makes me 100% disagree with his point. Because I'm not a CC I can't voice my opinion that the game is greedy? That is how I took it. Why can only CCs steer the ship? Last I checked, those surveys went out to everyone. Regardless on if they are ever taken into consideration. Like I said, maybe I am not getting what he and Pokke are getting at. To me, everyone should have a say in what game they are playing. Should MMO CCs be the only ones to criticize the game? COD CCs? Idk, help me understand what you're getting at.

[@worsethanademon6943]

Exactly, anyone has the freaking right to complain about any game when it's bad. And before this game came out, how are we supposed to know this game was going to turn out like this? He talking about we 100% knew what we were walking into, no I didn't? And what if they finally listen to our complaints and change the game, making it better for everyone. Oh, but if no one complained, then they will continue to get away with the bad things about the game. I also 100% disagree with them too.

[@notscullytv]

3:33:16 I feel like pokke point here was PURELY the amount of jades to get a character vs the amount of jades you can get from moc while using said character. Idk if ANYONE thinks about it in that way, they want to clear it and while the jades are nice it’s the accomplishment of doing it that’s the primary reason. On the other hand it doesn’t feel great knowing you ONLY beat it cos of a buff they put in or you got the new shiny toy, where’s YOUR input besides money or the devs just HANDING you damage cos they made impossible for a character to kill the boss.

[@TenchiHawkwing]

4:29:28 I thought Bob skipped Huohuo. So was Bob a smart player or not?

[@eckology016]

...Bob wasn't a DOT main. He was a hyper carry main. Y'all gotta be able to listen to full sentences once in a while. Smack didn't seem to get this either with the DHIL vs. JL discussion. The reason JL was a good pull for Bob and DHIL wasn't was because by the time JL dropped, Bob would have more jades available than he had when DHIL dropped because he needed FX but didn't need Topaz. Characters aren't good or bad pulls in a vacuum, it's about whether they make sense for your account. Aventurine is a bad pull if you're a super break main. A good pull if you're a FUA main. Boothill is a good pull if you're gonna play break, unless you already have Firefly or Rappa (or vice versa). You only need 1. A smart player is one who just finds the teams they like and builds towards improving those teams. Do you need eidolons if you have DoT? Sure, perhaps. But that's fine if you don't try and build a bunch of teams. The amount of pulls to get one Black Swan and one Feixiao is the same amount as two Black Swans, for example.

[@lorddrakkon3289]

@gacha smack would pokke starting a new f2p account really solve this issue? Cos if you think about it he's gonna experience the new and shiny characters and theses characters are gonna be able to clear current moc and the amount of free pulls you get once you start right now hes guaranteed a lot of characters the only time hell notice this is in the long run/overtime when resources are scarce and all his new toys are powercrept

[@Tiasung]

Actually they would not be able to clear current moc because they need teams to go with them. The amount of guaranteed pulls is better, but actually not as huge as you think since a lot of events are gone and the ones that are permanent only give a fraction of their reward now.

[@ttl246]

@@Tiasung i started a new f2p account on patch 2.0, and since you can just pull the new units, it is enough to full clear. It took me only 2 patchs to get 2 teams for full clear (ratio and acheron team), and the only dps i have pulled since was FX to replace ratio. I was still able to clear the current moc with FX and acheron, although it was close at 9 cycles, but I am also hoarding ~250 pulls for 3.0. The main thing is the new player just need to focus on 2 new teams and they are good to go.

[@Tederekcu]

03:01:00 Around this mark, I could remember Smack saying in one of his videos while clearing "Do you think E1 Robin is not F2P? Just play smart and save your resources" but then he shits on Pokke saying the same thing? Sorry for bad english if this sentance is weird.

[@kimuru34]

If I remember it correctly Smack was just baiting to lure the F2P players to his Video

[@kevinlandrini6799]

I left hsr after 2.2. i missed out on what seems to be the most op characters. i have a firefly team i had made with gallagher and ruan mei and it still shit compared to with characters from 2.3 onwards. its crazyyyyy

[@gwterror]

For some reason Mr.Pokke thinks that powercreep = can't clear end game, not "my unit is significantly weaker than new ones". Just because you can fix the issues caused by powercreep (by rolling said units) doesn't mean that powercreep doesn't exist. But for some reason Mr. Pokke thinks that if you can "solve" the problem powercreep causes, it means it doesn't exist... Which isnt how it works at all. I should be able to use those older units without being bricked. Maybe worse than new units, but not to the degree they are.

[@eckology016]

No, he thinks a powercreep problem is that you can't clear endgame. As he said in the video, over and over, powercreep is happening. It's just that powercreep isn't INHERENTLY bad, in addition to being inevitable, so powercreep and problem aren't redundant words. I felt like up until 4.0, for example, Genshin had a negative power creep problem where it sucked that it made the most sense to skip so many characters because they weren't worth it since the completely broken 4 stars from 3 years ago were still better, so you just never felt like you wanted to pull anything. At a certain point, the games get stale if you don't play with new characters and teams since the characters are a big part of the content. I don't wanna still hear "by my sword!" 4 years in. I want to try something new, but it's wasteful when Xingqiu still cooked endgame more than whoever I'd be pulling instead.

[@insertgenerichannelname]

Some people forget that some of the calculated expected pulls per patch in these graphs also come from achievements. Now tell me if your average players completes all achievements every patch 😂

[@shiraragishintarou836]

@@insertgenerichannelname Tbh, you daily login and clearing event are more effect to your account. You play normal without sweaty sweaty playstyle already give 60-80% of achievement. Even end game content, veteran Player supposed to be clear all of them if they play correctly. Maybe lost 1 to 3 stars, but its still not effect your Jade too much compare to daily login and event clear.

[@insertgenerichannelname]

@@shiraragishintarou836 yeah, the effect is very marginal. It's like 4-5 pulls less per patch. But slowly those accumulates. It's just that most people don't bother trying to get all achievements, especially when some might be tied with the daily mission (that most people don't do)

[@shiraragishintarou836]

@@insertgenerichannelname Idk bro, its your assumption right? I do some math and let's assume you just clear half of achievement, you just lost 1-2 pull per patch from not got all achievement. So just do your daily, clear your event, do your end game contents (its fine you not all Stars them). And you already got 85-95% f2p Jade.

[@insertgenerichannelname]

@@shiraragishintarou836 yeah, you don't lose that much. It's like 300-500 jades depending on the achievements added. Ofc this is depending on the patch. The big version changes that introduce large new areas might have a bit more

[@DeathXtremeHaseo]

Ok so pulling all the banners up, I can go through em to show ya'll how lucky my account is and also how I pulled/spent. My only dupes are E2 Welt (got him Day 1), E4 Himeko, Gepard, E1 Bailu and E2 Bronya. I also don't play everyday and don't get monthly pass so short like 20-25 pulls per month from the full SJ income they showed. I got E0S0 Seele (Spent $100, also my 1st Himeko), got E0S0 Jing Yuan, got E0S1 SW, got E0S1 Luocha (spent $100), got E0S1 Kafka (had to spend $100 to get LC as I went to almost hard pity), got E0S1 Fu Xuan, got E0S1 JL (spent $100), got E0S0 Topaz, got E0S0 Huo Huo (spent $100), got E0S0 Argenti, got E1S0 RM (spent $100), got E0S0 BS, got E0S0 Sparkle, got E0S1 Acheron (spent $100, tried for E1 and got my first Bronya here), got E0S1 Robin (I skipped Aventurine for her as my FX was still doing good), got E0S1 FF (spent $100), got E0S0 Jiaoqiu (skipped everything until him), got E1S1 Robin (spent $100), got E0S0 Fei Xiao, got E0S0 Ling Sha (spent $100), got E0S0 Aventurine (my Fu Xuan couldn't keep up with Hoolay well so it was about time), got E0S1 Sunday (spent $100), got E0S0 Fugue (leftover jades from previous spending as I got Sunday and LC just 2 multis after I swiped). I got my dupes during the banners I didn't mention or at soft pity, so all in all I lost 13 50/50s and as far as I recall, I only lost one 75/25... Now I have about 3-4 multis saved up for Therta and possibly skipping Aglaea since my JY is doing wonders rn. I've been able to clear MoC 12 since RM first banner until now, which is mainly cause of the trotters making me waste my shit on them, Aventurine bug still not fixed, Rappa IS better than FF and I do wish I had gotten her (I was one pull away from getting her but decided not to and that's the pull that got me Aventurine...)

[@TF_56]

1100 bucks is crazy 💀

[@DeathXtremeHaseo]

@@TF_56 Not that hard with proper budgeting actually...

[@HolySl0w]

hello, montlhy supply pass buyer from 1.0 here. i pretty much followed your make belive smart person path. i skipped entirely the last 2 patches and i stopped buying. I cannot 36 star MoC anymore. i don't die, i don't struggle, i just don't have the damage XD i finish with 16 cycles left or something... PS: I actually loved dots and dragon fr. i got kafka e0s0 and DHIL e0s0... and it was cool for a while... PPS: NO. You CANNOT clear endgame with dots.

[@ShiroAkumaYT]

I feel like you mentioned me at min 15 about kafka e2 and bs e2 woah. That was so on point

[@sakutaro3musik486]

i´m soo confused, isn´t it proof of powercreep that pulling black swan over robin which came later is now considered "WRONG". this is exactly what people dislike, they want it like in genshin were 1.x characters are still useable in endgame

[@TheCrimsonMelody]

Smack mad cooked at 2:53:08 Seriously, I have been playing since the first King Yuan run and I didn’t understand how the buffs in MOC worked until SAM was the MOC12 Boss and I had no choice but to learn to clear MOC12 I didnt understand the meta of the game itself properly until 2.0 and I large part of that is people like Smack and Brax because a lot of people like myself honestly even if I read something, I just don’t get the terms being used or what they mean and that is what makes content creators like Smack so invaluable is to understand beyond themselves and understand that the average player is not a MrPokke, the average player is closer to a box2

[@cloozie]

4:00:56 Imo thats a bad take, giving enough pulls to guarantee a character every patch means that even if you are the unluckiest person in the game you could end up with half the game's units on the other hand if you are the luckiest one you get all characters for free basically, and all that assuming you want or need for a comp you are going for to get at least 1 character every patch, there would be no need for anyone to spend at that point, everyone will be f2p and the only ones spending on the game are the ones that like to see characters doing more dmg through eidolons, i cant see how is that a smart move from a business pov. I dont think any player would say no to that of course but its unrealistic 😂

[@notscullytv]

2:59:57 I said this in a previous comment and personally I stand by it but I’m not acting like I’m clairvoyant. A character releases and they fit a gap in my roster so I pull for them, if I don’t get them I’m shit out of luck and can’t progress and maybe my beginning of hsr helped me out cos my account was BRICKED until Acheron and I nerve beat moc fully until I got her. Now I don’t use her cos I have firefly, rappa and feixiao and robin. Even with pokkes argument and me being a prime example of it, I STILL don’t agree with his sentiment cos I also have e6 Gallagher so I don’t need lingsha and again I have robin/fei so of the 8 banners in 3.0 I only “NEED” herta and jade/ aglet. Im lucky in that regard but who knows how I’ll feel if those characters completely power creep the current meta of which I’m comfortable right now and once 3.0 drops I’m fucked.

[@sweeleongng333]

ZMM is the only f2p content creator that not pulling any character until he failed to beat MOC 12 and the powercrept forced him to pull a new character.

[@eckology016]

Which, to be clear, is not the actual F2P experience. And just a tech demo for what's possible. Actual F2Ps can get 8 limited units, as Pokke showed. With 8 limited units, as long as you pulled ones that fit on the same teams, you'll be completely meta viable. Especially with units like March 8th, Gallachad, Harmony MC (and now we're getting Remembrance MC for a F2P unit in summon meta), Pela, Tingyun, and the like.

[@horfith]

​@@eckology016 Well that's if you know what characters and enemy archetypes are coming next. You could have a powerful break team comp f2p (Gala, Rappa S1, Fugue, and Ruan Mei) and then there's an enemy archetypes that locks their toughness bar what would you do? Get a new team comp right like Fua, but uh oh it's not single target enemy, it's AoE, then you need rememberance team comp. At that point you've just lost to powercreep and had to pull a new character

[@eckology016]

@@horfith I would use break on the other side. They have not created a single MoC where both sides brick a particular team comp. There are characters like Hoolay that hurt DoT because he goes so fast. But Hoolay has never been on both sides, and they didn't pair him with some other hyper-fast enemy. But sure, if that hypothetical you've invented happens that might be pretty rough and would change the argument, but it hasn't. So far, every MoC has been able to be beaten by a focus on two teams at a time strategy. Plus, people are too gunshy from the 1.x teams, but they were never the well-oiled machines the 2.x teams are. They fixed a lot of the problems with power creep in that sense, because now if you have a Rappa/Fugue/RM/Lingsha team, it's very unlikely that JUST the next Acheron will be better. You'll need at least 3 to 4 of the members of her team. Whereas DoT never had a sustainer like Lingsha or supports like Fugue and RM so of course Acheron by herself is gonna smash the shit out of Kafka/Black Swan and suboptimized supports that are designed to work better with other characters. The best way to approach things imo is to pick one of your team teams from the past cycle where you went hardest and vertically invest (which I've done with break) and then start building ONE new team in the next cycle (either Herta or Aglaea or whatever other new stuff is coming) and leave your lower invested team to the past once it starts to struggle (as my FuA team likely will in a few paches because I don't have Aventurine or Topaz so am just going with 2/4th BiS chars on the team). We have plenty of pulls for that.

[@carneromichael]

2:32:50 he forgot he was poor and was begging to his oilers….. that always happens

[@Cloutian516]

I lost Feixiao and didn't have enough time to get enough jades to get her. At this point, it's pointless and truly disheartening. This isn't the only time I've lost a 50/50 but definitely the one I felt most. Being FORCED to spend money to get a character you really want is frustrating, disheartening and truly allows the thoughts of not turning the game on again.

[@ShadowPhoenix82]

Huo Huo might be a pick for me when she comes back around, but I couldn't do it the first time. I HAD to skip that banner for Ruan Mei after pulling for both previous banners, and I don't regret it.

[@TheWaifuConnoisseur]

It would have been really entertaining if the Jenazad and Bob example was done with a wish simulator for a more realistic example.

[@shiraragishintarou836]

TLDR : If you do not want break your account, if you dont want to got problem from powercreep, then play good and pull smarter. New player? Then forget about end game contents for a moment. Casual player? Waifu catcher? Forget end game contents then and dont whining why you cant clear it.

[@marioritter7014]

Yea, it took me a year to clear MoC 12 because my relic stat luck is atrocious. My friend took about 7 months. We both started back when it released. Nowadays I daresay its easier and will probably take LESS time because of all these busted characters like Acheron, Firefly, Feixiao, Robin, Aventurine and Rappa. Funny how people never mention the beneficial powercreep as well.

[@fiyindk7367]

Me losing all my 50/50 since launch so I always have incomplete teams lmao ​@@marioritter7014

[@dr3d882]

That’s the problem though you can’t really tell who will be the next sparkle and be powercrept or who will be the next topaz. Hindsight is 20/20 nothing is guaranteed. And the game was meant for casual players. And it’s a gacha game you could plan your pulls perfectly and prepare and get shafted my rng on your pulls or relic rolls. For example I planned for Sunday and fugue but then I lose the 50/50. Now I have to skip fugue but then 2 patches later Sundays gets powercrept and fugue reruns with the new op support and the dps that matches them.

[@dr3d882]

⁠​⁠@@marioritter7014that’s because beneficial powercreep is subjective and isn’t really a thing . Beneficial for you maybe but not everyone. Your experiences isn’t everyone’s experience. Maybe someone had the same pull plan as you but got shafted on their pulls or didn’t have enough pulls

[@shiraragishintarou836]

@@dr3d882 Interesting. Maybe its just example, but let's assume its true. You have dps that match with Sunday and Sunday got powercreep. Your current situation that you need fugue for complete your break. BUT, You found that new meta "Sunday" and fugue re run in same banner. So who you need to pull? Word from me. If your break dps is boothil or Rappa, pull for fugue. Because FF has more sinergy with H.MC and Ruan Mei. If you use FF, than you maybe can consider to pull new brand meta "Sunday" to boost your jing yuan or whatever. I think even if Sunday got powercreep, its not like he become useless. Same with Sparkle, somehow people can use it even it worse than Robin and can clear end game content. But for fugue, its huge boost, huge sinergy, huge game changing, and no other alternative for your Rappa or boothill. Do Research like this if it really happen to you and your account will become less damaged from powercreep. Or, just forget everything and become casual Player.

[@ohryuken]

I can't like up this video enough brother pls keep the light on ❤

[@notscullytv]

1:42:01 it’s unironically sideshow bob stepping on a rake but he knows it’s there. He stops, looks at the rake, then takes a step forward and gets mad the rake hit him in the face.

[@enjumamoru6513]

and good for you gacha smack luocha will fits mydei the most :) from old chars

[@kuruzaru]

23:13 I don't disagree with all of this. But to be completely fair... We always know both new characters BEFORE patch starts. So we knew about idk Blade-Kafka banners before Silver Wolf and Luocha banners was even up. That is first thing. Second thing. You don't have all the pulls from BP and the game just like that at the start of the patch. It's pure bs. You are earning that slowly. Third thing. It's really hard to always hit 79 pulls to get a 5*. On average I belive it's between 60-65. Sometimes you get it on 80 sometimes on early 30. It's not ALWAYS 75+. The whole point of you can't really be prepared and smart is fair. But delivery of this example is a little bit unfortunate because it's not really how it looks like in real life.

[@Thunderdroceon]

I agree with you 100% but on the third point it's kind of balanced out since he didn't lose more than 1 50/50 in a row, otherwise then you're really screwed. But yes It's unrealistic to not get a couple earlies

[@9019fran]

@@Thunderdroceon it's not that unrealistic, i've been playing since day one and only got 1 early before subpity, 0.6% is not a great chance to get an early. You can't really make a point out of having good or bad luck, that's just a case by case scenario, some people will be really lucky, some really unlucky and some will just be the average

[@handlerone5172]

To your first point, I think the big picture is that knowing the characters doesn't matter. You never know the future meta of the game or content that is tailored to that meta. Even then, the discourse before they actually release has always been doomposting and stupid. No one knows how they play or will fit into the current meta other than CCs and others that get early access. That is why it is silly in gacha to try and 'future-proof' your account.

[@kuruzaru]

@@handlerone5172 I mean it's obviously false for people who want to know. Beta gameplays are on YT or reddit a few days after releasing of the new patch. So if you want to know what character does even before CCs with early access it's easy. Of course it's just beta so multipliers could change, eidolon could be a talent etc. But you know the core, all animations, role, possible teams. Even future engame lineups, HP pool and turbulence is a common knowledge. So you can also try prepare for that. It's obviously true for casuals who doesn't care about leaks. We know future meta. It's kinda clear. For the "future-proof" part. In Genshin it was very easy to make your account future proof. Pull C2 Raiden and you chilled for 2+ years. Nahida-Kuki is still fine even at C0. And I'm still using freakin 3* weapon on C0 Nahida. C1 Neuv and he will carry at least till Snezhnaya. C2 Arle is disgusting. Now there is C0 Mavuika. You don't even need C6 characters. And I own C6 Scara as 5$ welkin player (I skipped whole Summeru to save for this character). But it was possible. Sadly in HSR there is no something like future-proof. That is why I stopped buying 5$ pass long time ago. It's not worth. If devs would want something to work it would work. You can pull for E6FF-E6Fugue-E6Lingsha-E6RM and all of them are instant useless if devs would only decide to make toughness locked enemies. Your Acheron will do no dmg if you would not be able to apply debuffs etc. It's very easy to counter every archetype if they only want to. Or. Or. Just forget that MoC 11 and 12 exist. Not doing that at all will cost you 1 pull. Is that 1 pull per month worth all that shit? If the answer is yes then you will stress about that. Sure. If not then fuck that shit. Pull for who you like, more or less and just enjoy the story and SU. Of course there is AS and PF. The same story. Not getting every star is not that big deal. MoC, AS and PF are NOT main source of jades. Events, story and SU are. Also if you want challenge just find real game to play. Not gacha nonsense. I still can clear everything with full rewards. But if I would not. I don't care tbh. HSR is boring af. There is nothing to do anyway for the most of the time. HSR is fun only if you have Pokke's account. E1 here, E2 there, every character, a lot of signature LCs. Then you can have "fun" and try 0 cycles. Only thing in this game that require some strategy. Whales with E6S5 can't even experience that because their characters can 0 cycle everything on auto. So there is no challenge and fun at all. And F2P are too weak to even try.

[@johnxina2601]

You're the only gacha content creator i can stomach to watch

[@clarinet800149]

Yanqing arrived instead of Jing Liu. My account has never recovered… totally has but I’m being overdramatic. However this past MOC without an Ice, Imaginary, or Physical destruction or Euridition is hitting me hard

[@GodofGoblins]

Yeah if his counter argument to the many MANY people saying they skipped is "nah bro you lying", idk what to say. I'm f2p and help casuals and f2p all the time, and I see people skipping on so many of those examples he said. And don't get me started on sigs. Why do you think prydwen excludes sigs on there analysis? To keep it relatable to majority. And majority do not pull on sigs like that. We can go ahead and say "well they supposed to" ok but they don't. Now what? It's rare, because people hate pulling for weapons. In fact I remember him being surprised his chat said they didn't pull Dr ratios sig and called them liars again. That...isn't surprising at all man. Acherons sig? Oh yeah people did that. Ruan Mei? Yup. Kafka? What are you smoking? Respectfully, he has some great points like how scummy or greedy hoyo is. That's facts, he is right. But that process he went through was not the common relatable f2p pull process. I lost count how many times I see f2p and low spenders skip banners some ccs hype up as must pulls and etc. Just keeping it real.

[@maevethefox5912]

Pulling weapons was something I just straight up rejected at the start of the game. It had been common knowledge not to do in Genshin. You got ZERO visual benefit from it. Seemed like a stupid choice. Turns out a lot or characters super want them.

[@kyokusanagi9800]

Yeah it is relatable, most players don't even engage with creators or guide makers much less some rando who helps f2p on the internet at best they're on a group chat with friends who play the game or some Facebook group. And they pull for anything that they like including weapons if the character is something they really love. That's why your argument is bad. When there is millions of players, but you think they are all informed just because you talk with a couple hundred in some discord server and still think Mr pokke is right is the problem. And it's why Hoyoverse games still shit on your mouths like that when there is a bunch of gachas out there that doesn't pull the same BS. It's because there is always someone to defend being scammed.

[@maevethefox5912]

@kyokusanagi9800 out of curiosity, what gachas are actually good to you? Like not saying Hoyo is good but the only other ones I've played (outside of WuWa which is largely identical) are wayyy worse, like zero pity counts or even more brutal power creep. A friend played Fire Emblem Heroes and just ... it ripped his soul and wallet apart. A DBZ one as well.

[@GodofGoblins]

@maevethefox5912 indeed. Sigs are pretty important, and majority doesn't want to pull on them. It isn't fun to pull for weapons, and majority are casuals. This is also why prydwen does analysis with characters not maxed out on traces. Why? Because majority hates maxing out traces and hates doing it. "You're supposed to." Yes, I agree. And they don't do it. These are the players complaining, i see it all the time. So yeah, I see pokkes point more.

[@GodofGoblins]

@kyokusanagi9800 nope. OK so literally thousands go to guide makers on KZbin all the time, thus the viewership. They also ask tons of questions whether it be on reddit or KZbin etc. Tens to hundreds of thousands if we tally all them (brax, iwinlosegaming, etc) Add to this the viewership prydwen gets with all there guides and tips (and relatable) and yeah that is a gigantic amount of people going online for help. It's 2025 buddy. You think people don't Google even the slightest bit of help for video games? Get with the times. That is literally integral to gachas argument btw in regards to influence of creators. Are you disagreeing with him too? So no, you're objectively wrong in that. In addition, historically in gachas general player base hates pulling for weapons in a gacha. Do some people still do it? Yes. We are talking about majority. Do you truly believe majority of players are wise enough to say pull on dhil sig to keep them relevant? Buddy, a highly up voted comment on reddit said huo huo requires another sustain to be viable. Those are the players you are referring too. Casuals run the game. I help them all the time because it's fun. Hell, casuals run genshin too. Sweaty ultra invested players are the minority. Even gacha admits this too btw. You really need to look into how the average casual thinks and plays before making statements like that. That's just ignorance, straight up. Hell, why you think prydwen is very popular? Because it's relatable to majority. And...they analyze without sigs, e0, and traces not maxed out. Yup, that's how majority treats the game, like it or not. If you say otherwise, you are objectively incorrect. Just offering perspective.

[@hihidaruma1015]

I need to ask Bob if I should pull for aglea

[@tianyouzhang4301]

33:33 "nobody at this time in the game skipped both of them." I did 😅 I wonder if I am the only one. The only characters I've pulled from the start of the game til now are Seele, SW, Luocha, Kafka, RM, Acheron, Robin and Rappa, and so far I haven't had much trouble in endgame. In seriousness though, the biggest takeaway I got from this is to take CC's opinions (regardless of the CC) with a grain of salt because a lot of them are in the business of selling the banner character.

[@kuvjason7236]

3:07:30 as an e2s1 Acheron and e2s0 Fiexiao owner... fiexiao does indeed shit on Acheron. Dont get me wrong, both can clear but the effort Fiexiao puts in doesnt even compare cuz Acheron has to put in more work.

[@drakehound2244]

People are disconnected, we have one the biggest HSR experiment ever, with The Herta and Aglaea (who is a wonderful model one of the best. where the graphic creators put their heart and soul into it. but the designers simply made it a whales tool, even if they swap the E2 with the E1), and a lot of people will skip The Herta for Aglaea cause CC will push Aglaea hard. Same story happened with Lingsha, glad they change their mind with Fugue. but januari HSR wants your savings or tickets. that is why the 8 banner full with META characters. It is almost impossible for people to skip 3.0 banners, you lack sustain, boom BEST sustain in game, Lingsha who does it all. lack Meta Dps boom The Herta, Fei Xiao, even Boothill for those who like Husbando (and Boothill is top there with hyper/break relic build). then you got Robin who is the META unit that every team can use. but I have break team.. you can still benefit from the Attack Buff and her Free 1 turn for the whole party.

[@aliounethiaw1443]

Really good analogy. The guy in your example was not stupid nor greedy and he still got fked. But i found a way to nullify powercreep in your account because at the end of the day powercreep is subjective to one's account. I found it recently so i dont have time to prove it, when i prove it i will be back I was inspired by a youtuber called Ken Ruroni who is a monthly pass + battle pass only spender, and he managed to 0 cycle every MoC, 40k every PF and 8700 every AS, since 1.2 till today with Seele. Just because he properly managed his ressources

[@eckology016]

They didn't get fucked though because other characters are stronger. They only got fucked if you can't clear with the ones they pulled, which you can.

[@ShadowPhoenix82]

33:30 You went down on pokke for speaking for everyone, and then you forgot speak for everyone lol. I indeed skipped both DHIL and JL(even though she looks SO amazing to me), but that's because I pulled for the other two characters on both banners. I was using Clara and Kafka for DPS back then. I had Luocha and still love having him to this day, but I needed Fu Xuan and Topaz more than b flashy DPS that might get replaced later. TLDR: I definitely skipped those characters, even if not those banners.

[@utilae1]

While it might seem like Sunday has powercrept Sparkle, Sparkle still increases the skill point cap to 7 and offers more skill points in her kit. She still has a niche with Quantum, so we may yet see another quantum DPS that will want Sparkle. Otherwise I think Sunday is more of an alternative to Sparkle if you don't have her or Bronya. As all three of these characters are overlapping to an extent.

[@MiikiSama]

JingYuan was the character that took the longest after release to get a rerun and when he does it with Sparkle, his new bis support at the time and after that with Sunday, and repeat. I'm not even talking about the fact that Fuxuan, Huohuo and Robin are also good picks for him. I wanted Tingyun but then if I go for her Jingyuan looses his support and I lost the 50/50 as well. They always have been placing the new units and rerun units together with units that either enhance them or makes a solid meta team so by the end of it you will always get stuck in a loop where you need to get a unit and in the process have to wait for the rerun of the other and when that happens is with another unit you need while not being stupid or greedy with your pulls but I guess we all were and are by Pokke words.

[@Unknown-vc4zv]

Bro legit described my exact thought process with my account because I wanted to play DoT though I will say i'm way luckier then you example given that I wanted to play DoT because I got S1 E4 Kafka after her first banner in like 10k Jades and 30 pulls from starlight. Though Smack I think your forgetting that at the time of Houhou's first banner the 4 stars on it were so trash that I felt like you were just wasting pulls at that point if you don't have the guaranteed. Also so true on Acheron at first I didn't want to pull but when they showed how fast you could run Sim Universe, I couldn't pass up that quality of life.

[@Unknown-vc4zv]

Yup looked at the first Houhou banner 4 stars and it was Dan Heng, Arlan , and Serval. I'm not pulling on that shit 😂.

[@Unknown-vc4zv]

Yup just getting her on rerun was way easier and better. Also your so right on Jinglue too.

[@enjumamoru6513]

the problem is poke using money or something :D he have all chars e0 and all light cones :D and say being smart? he is so stupid in that topic XD I have all good chars and what? because I dont have shit ones or rappa I cant do moc 12 xd because of part 2 and I'm always looking at leaks and all... pokke arguments are 0. he have all chars e0 I can just say all my chars have 70-75% crit rate and 150-200% crit dmg i mean those that need it :) i always using prydwen builds

[@eckology016]

Two things. First, Pokke's wide roster. He never uses the optimized best-suited team to beat MoC. He uses his E6S5 Acheron and FF about as much as he uses Natasha. He has a wide roster because he's a professional content creator, so wants to have access to all the units so he can showcase different teams/strategies/units or to do fun meme clears like this past MoC where he did an all male unit showcase. Second, his relics, which Smack also brought up. Yes, he max refreshed, but he needs usable relics for like 50 different characters who don't all overlap, so it ends up evening out. I have S++ tier Watchmaker/Vonwacz and Cavalry/Kalpagni sets on my FF and RM without a single refresh ever in my entire time playing the game AND focusing on maxing traces. You know why? Because those are the only domains I farmed for pretty much the entirety of the time they've been in the game, because that's my main team. If your roster is narrow, you can get really good relics for that roster.

[@carneromichael]

I think he will never be realatble unless hoyo release a buttom that let you turn off your copies. So that would be a perfect simulation about f2p and monthly/bp players. He has every support at e2s1

[@Nanadyne]

Chat saying Robin had no value at launch?? Am I tweaking? Was she not gassed tf up??

[@gwterror]

Lots of CCs said if you had RM you didn't need Robin, you could skip. They didn't see her power.

[@Nanadyne]

@gwterror Gotcha, okay I remember that part now. Robin's been so good for so long that I forgot that was the general concensus LOL

[@Azore]

TLDW: Pull better, don't pull for the units that you like, if you pull for waifus, you're just greedy. Just know what Hoyo will do in advance and which character they'll milk and which one they'll forget months in advance. Don't be stupid, know the future. edit: 3:36:20 nah, nvm, scratch that. I don't know what bro wants us to do anymore. Pokke glazing RM is funny, because he was the only CC hating on her saying Bronya was just better. Pretends that we should all have hindsight yet, he wasn't able to see how broken she was at the time. F2P Bob's account would be bricked if he had Pokke's brain without the hindsight.

[@kingsultn]

3:29:40 idk what bro chatting about if u played the game at a normal pace and did dailies and everything without refresh n wasting jades u couldn’t even get gold relics till luocha or blade release n that’s including all content being caught up

[@gamer_jss]

As a smack viewer I pulled topaz n skipped jingliu n I'm so happy for doing so. Who ever listened to poke on that take was trolled

[@utilae1]

Star Rail Battle pass = 8 wishes. Express supply pass = 18 wishes => Total of 26 (not 32).

[@nekobaka_4366]

can someone perhaps explain what vertical investment is? im gonna confused on this subject

[@benderloin795]

Vertical investment is where you build a few characters to the max. Whereas horizontal investment is where you build all the characters equally.

[@nekobaka_4366]

@@benderloin795 i see thanks a lot man :)

[@KigerrTLON]

"how is this 5 hours?" *Starts with the streamer AFK*

[@youutaaa]

Honestly, not a special or unique case lmao. Usually other streamers would hide it with a "STAND BY" screen of some sort and no camera. It's deliberate too, giving time to wait for the channel's followers to gather (especially the ones who got the Livestream Notifications set to "On").

[@BN-lw5kr]

yea bob would have pulled all the right units and then bought all the bitcoin in the world 2 years ago since he was HIM

[@eckology016]

The problem is that greed is the wrong word for sure. The companies are greedy. But F2P players are most definitely 'entitled'. That's the correct word. The attitude of "I want to pull for any character I want at all times in a triple A investment level title like these new era post-Genshin gacha games and clear all the endgame and also spend 0 dollars" is insanely entitled. Who do you think you are lmao. If you want to have access to everything, you have two options. One, spend money on a gacha game. Two, buy a box price game instead and don't play gacha. The appeal of gacha for F2P should be the fact that you DON'T get everything so when you do hit, you get that positive dopamine that doesn't come from a box price game where you get all the characters by the nature of the game itself. That's the appeal of the genre, the swings. It's gambling except a bit less corrosive because you can't chase your losses.

[@alahna-]

I agree but I also think the problem is the value is NOT there for someone who would spend. A single chance at getting a character, not even guaranteed, is more expensive than a brand new AAA game that would give you 30+ hours of amazing content. They do not put enough effort into the reward of owning a character to make it even worth it. Your character will only be really good for maybe a year or so (often less than that) and there's nothing to do with the characters outside of using them in battle. There should be some kind of cool systems in place to spend time with characters. The fact that each limited character does not get some sort of hangout event or special quest is insane. I think it's important to remember how much they are charging for a single character alone, not even including their signature weapon. The value is not there.

[@jay_pop5663]

I’ve finally had the power to save up to only pull on anniversary or some before the anniversary on gacha games. Playing more than one gacha has helped stay f2p. If i get the urge to spend money, i just hop to another game. At least anniversary helps you stay up to date on power creep for at least 4-5 months, which i have saved up pulls

[@OldDadGamer]

Goal - Dot / Nihility 1.0 = 244.9 pulls 1.1 = + 93.5+32 = 370.4 pulls, Silver Wolf -80 = 290.4 1.2 = + 93.9+32 = 416.3 pulls, Kafka -160, Kafka LC -70 = 186.3 1.3 = + 116.2+32 = 334.5 pulls, Fu (Because can't clear content as did not pull on Loucha needs a sustain Natacha/mc/m7 is lacking), -80 = 254.5 1.4 = + 77.1+32 = 363.6 pulls, Jingliu -160 = 203.6 (but now have a second dps) 1.5 = +106.5+32 = 342.1 pulls, no pull as able to clear content as you got lucky with gepard and Clara. 1.6 = +103.4+32 = 477.5 pulls, Kafka E1 -80, RM -160, RM LC -150 = 87.5 2.0 = +125+32 = 244.5 pulls, Black Swan -160 = 84.5 (no LC as cant be sure u win the 50/50) 2.1 = +124+32 = 240.5 pulls, Archron -80, Archron LC -70 = 90.5 (But you really need a sustain Gepard cant keep up anymore you have to pull on Aventurine.) Redeem from shop 60. Aventurine -150 = 0.5 2.2 = +106.5+32 = 139 pulls, Robin -80 = 59 2.3 = +103.2+32 = 194.2 pulls, RM E1 -160 = 34.2 2.4 = +88.8+32 = 155 pulls, Jiaqiu -80 = 75 2.5 = +98+32 = 205 pulls, Redeem shop 30, 235 pulls, Kafka E2 -160, Black Swan LC -75 pulls (u got lucking and won another LC 50/50) = 0 2.6 = 108+32 = 140 pulls, Archron E1/2 because the game finally gives the double drop so -80 = 60 2.7 = +89+32 = 181... Leaks of 3.0 is out you know you need Sunday for remembrance characters as hoyo forget dot is a style of play, you need his LC too, you need Fugue as MC will be RMC and not HMC anymore as u can only use him on 1 side and things keeps getting more hp and defense. Hoyo endgame are all the same, rush to end in 10 turns or don't get full rewards, pure fiction and Apoc Shadow gives u funny numbers but same concept, there is no guild or friendly alliance, there is no pvp (so why is the hp inflation happening this fast?), I am not about to go to 3.0 and no pulls left and 0 E6 character, and I have a friend in real life drop money and E6 Kafka and his E0 Archron out dmg her..... so yeah hoyo have to start buffing old units stop inflation and maybe just maybe get creative with enemy and fights. also after the 3.0 reveal and the lack of rewards is insane. But don't forget get the ps5 disk version of the game for 50 jades.... cost £30. Funny this is how I actually pulled in game. I got more lucky then this on my 50/50 as I got Sunday+his LC and Fugue but I am going in to 3.0 with 0 pulls.

[@zenlessraven]

This is very simple that people are complicating too much because they wont admit it. People just dont want to be called Greedy and Stupid and if you fall on something that can't clear the endgame using old units you automatically think you are on the stupid or greety part....

[@Coffin_House]

1:31:34 GOLD LEVEL COMEDY 🤣🤣

[@JohnStamR]

You know, I knew it was bad, but you going through it, I forgot how fkn bad early 2.X was. I was winning most 50/50s at that point, but was 0 pulls after each of those patches. (I think tthat double Robin pull I got killed my only luck streak in 4 years...) 8 banners are great (for those that spend money). My path:. I started off mono quantum (naturally Seele plus SW and elements mattering at the start) and then Topaz was/is my favorite character when she released. So those were the comps I would go with. Acheron was sick and I was giving up on mono quantum so went with Acheron (s1e1 planning for e2 rerun, lost the LC, ive lost every LC). Firefly was the new break thing. Went with both since I had most of the pieces for them already. Finally FUA started to come around but I was having to pull a character every patch to build it. All this only possible because my 50/50 luck was good, now I lost that and have no pieces for summons, so im having to hope my e2 FF and FART (e0s0 Fexiao but e2s1 Topaz e1 Robin) will last. I will never pull e1+ on release of a character after Acheron hindsight. And I already hate s1 since I have not won a 75/25 yet. And seeing Sparkle get completely power crept in every aspect. At this point, I basically am picking up Ling and just sitting on what I have. I am honestly starting to think pulling characters only on a rerun is the way, to see they aged okay. But then every character paired with them seems stronger so I would not pull a weaker character, thus I could never pull anyone. If power creep continues like it is, I am probably done. I watched actual vid before this but missed him saying pulling DHIL was stupid, pulling for MoC (2 teams) was stupid, but literally 1 patch later is the genius idea like WTF lmao. The second part I found hilarious was he stopped at 1.6, where in Smack's version, we know 2.0-2.2 is where shit really hit the fan.

[@d0minican0milan0]

I thought this was an actual edited 5 hour react for a second 😂😂😂 i thought we were really out here for a second

[@えな-i1s]

that "E0S"1 Kafka surely will be E0S1ng soon...

[@kingsultn]

2:46:30 literally me I couldn’t even do moc till blade and even then b4 blade I didn’t even get past 3 or 4 and after I wouldn’t get past 7-9 depending on the moc till I got Acheron