The Pre-Tribulation RAPTURE Deception - False Hopes By The Enemy

In this compelling video, we tackle one of the most debated topics in eschatology-the concept of a pre-tribulation rapture. With a critical eye and an open heart, we explore the origins, interpretations, and implications of this belief, suggesting that the widespread acceptance of a pre-tribulation rapture is a deceptive narrative crafted by the enemy to instill false hope among believers. Prophetic Guest Dalton Travis Gray
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[@YvetteRoos-qc8ji]

This man is speaking the truth

[@StonesofZion]

God speaks the truth to them who humbly ask

[@cowel8734]

I agree

[@YvetteRoos-qc8ji]

Escaping, Father is taking us once again into the wilderness, where He is going to gather the elect and care for us, He will also feed us, history always repeats itself, this time our Father will send His Angels to gather us. But we must come out of Babylon before He can protect us. His Word says that Messiah comes at the last trumpet

[@jamesfrazier5148]

We are 1 breath away from our eternity so always be ready

[@jamesfrazier5148]

I'm looking for the second coming of Christ. The whole world will be deceived. Jesus said don't be deceived. Pray without ceasing. Do God's will. Preach the gospel to every creature. Work until the end. Why? Why would anyone want to be taken out of Harm's Way when it's so much work to be done for our father? Endure till the end and be saved.

[@jamesfrazier5148]

Oh ye of little faith. I pray everyday that I don't want to leave here if it's just one more person that I can help for God our father. The work is plenty and the laborers are few!!!

[@Chrismbrock2009]

Matthew 24:13-15 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

[@frankstallcup8720]

Keep preaching it brother

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

1. 1st resurection/rapture an end..bema seat of Christ to receive reward. 2. Matt.26..the sheep and goats nations judge by King Jesus at his 2nd coming...thats another end for some.Goats go straight to lake of fire and brimstone 3.1000yrs later the 2nd resurection white throne judgement of God .. Some with their names in book of life..get a change when the book of works are opened...but those whose names not in the book of life goes directly to lake of fire and brimstone....another end for some. I go for the end of 1st resurection/rapture...

[@pamcooper5837]

@@Phillip-oo2ft Me too! Not just because it sounds good, but I believe the Bible says so!

[@patriciacarreon448]

YES HE WHO IS LEFT BEHIND FOR THE TRIBULATION THAT DOESNT MAKE IT IN THE RAPTURE. IF THEY MAKE IT UNTILL THE END OF THE TRIBULATION WILL BE SAVED. THATS THOSE WHO RECIEVE CHRIST DURING THE TRIB

[@frankstallcup8720]

@@patriciacarreon448 Who’s going to minister to them if everyone who has Christ had been raptured out before the Great Tribulation, what is the purpose of the 144,000 if they are raptured out before the Great Tribulation, why seal them to be priest during the Great Tribulation, who are the Multitude that goes through the Great Tribulation All things that you have to consider and answer to believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Just sayin

[@TheChildofGod-1987]

I don't know about you guy's but I've asked to be here to the end to help reach every lost soul the Holy Spirit will allow me to reach.

[@StonesofZion]

Amen!

[@patriciacarreon448]

I WILL NOT BE HERE THROUGH THE TRIBULATION. have fun

[@StonesofZion]

@@patriciacarreon448 ok. You can say it all you want. But when you realize I and others are right about this. Please find us. And we will feed and take care of you.

[@patriciacarreon448]

@StonesofZion I will not find out I'm wrong about this. I will not need anyone to feed me nor take care of me . I will not be here. 1st Thessalonians 5verse 9 , Luke 21, 36 and 1st and 2nd Corinthians says I won't. Good luck to you all. You will need it

[@StonesofZion]

@@patriciacarreon448 Theres also no verse that says you will stay here for not adhering to false doctrine. All the verses you quoted are a out the return of Jesus. Matthew 24 tells you the timing of that. Unfortunately you will be here. And you are in for a rough awakening. You will remember this video and comments when the dollar collapses and you loose communications. And your pantry will not be full. I feel for you genuinely. Even more for your family. God is trying to warn you. God bless

[@victoriousclarity2874]

The important thing is not when the rapture is. We have hope in the rapture, but if there was no rapture, we still love and trust in Jesus. That is what matters. I do t think their is or is not a pretrib rapture. I am hopeful for it but I am willing to sit until the end even if I must die for him I will with honor. But I will remain hopeful and watchful.

[@StonesofZion]

One camp is right and one camp is wrong. That's how truth works. Not everyone has it. Only one truth exists on any subject. But yes if a person's hope is fully in Jesus, that is the primary importance

[@Tmarc7665]

Great attitude

[@StonesofZion]

@Tmarc7665 yes I look forward to helping my needy brothers and sisters that don't take action. God will bring us together in unity then

[@Tmarc7665]

@@StonesofZion 👍

[@tiasmithfollowerofJesusChrist]

Thanks Two Witnesses for posting this clip. Father in Heaven, I pray many will see this video and that your Holy Spirit will reveal this truth to them. In Jesus name I pray, Amen...

[@jamescole3152]

We know there is no pre trib rapture of the church. Those teaching a pre trib rapture are deceivers.

[@cowel8734]

Truth. The theory has many ppl just apathetically watching the world burn while claiming "oh well, this world isn't my home. Ill just fly away when things get tough" Jesus likens people being taken to the ppl caught in the flood in Noah's day. Psalms 37 says that in the last days, the wicked will just disappear and ppl will ask where they went

[@MC-bp1dm]

@@jamescole3152 I think there are some really great Bible teachers who are sincere, however truly believe in a Pretrib rapture. I would not say they are deceivers. Eschatology is not a salvation issue. We have to be United as a church on the essentials to our core faith. Otherwise we’d destroy one another and be divided. We are one body.

[@MustangJen777]

Only the strong in JESUS, will survive

[@StonesofZion]

Amen. And some by His Mercy!

[@lindsay-ontario]

Just a few questions 1) How as a Christian are you preparing to meet the Anti-christ??? 2) The Anti-christ is allowed to make war on the saints and win (Rev 13:7) 3) By the time just the 4th seal is opened over 1/4 or aprox 2 billion people have died (Rev 6:7-8) 4) Should we not be preparing now to meet our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ instead, while we still have time?

[@ryangallmeier6647]

1). We already know the biblical identity of the Antichrist. 2). The Antichrist rose to power only after the Fall of the Roman Empire (476 AD). 3). When the Antichrist rose to power, he conquered and prevailed over the saints for 1,260 literal years (day=year principle in Bible prophecy). Seems like you're going with the Futurist school of prophetic interpretation. I don't; I go with the Reformation view (even the Ante-Nicene view): Historicism. That's what the Bible teaches.

[@lindsay-ontario]

@@ryangallmeier6647 You can believe what you want to believe but it has to line up with the scriptures. I never heard of the anti-christ reigning over the whole earth in 476AD. In Revelation chapter 13 he has authority over every tribe and people and nation. He also causes all to be marked on the right hand or forehead, so no one can buy or sell. I may be wrong but I don't think the technology existed in 476AD for this to happen.

[@aidansgaming550]

Yes no pre tribulation rapture. How arrogant to think you would be saved from tribulation, especially after what Jesus went through for us.....

[@Kman.]

Tribulation (with a small "t"), has nothing to do with the conversation.

[@cowel8734]

I agree. The theory has ppl just giving up on helping thr earth because they feel they deserve to be free from all suffering while they leave others behind to suffer Jesus likens the ppl taken to the people killed in the flood and also Psalms 37 says that in the last days, the wicked will disapear and ppl will question where they went. The kingdom of God is inside of you, so being "caught up to heaven" can just mean a divine revelation

[@aidansgaming550]

@@Kman. That's the only thing you have to offer this conversation..... Not surprised. And thanks grammar police, I will try and keep that in mind.🙄

[@Kman.]

@@cowel8734 Nothing to do with grammar, but I'm simply pointing out that you are conflating "THEE" tribulation, with tribulation and trials and troubles and persecution in general.

[@heather602]

Why are people so convinced its not a salvation issue? If one believes pretrib they are being set up NOT to endure until the end. I've warned many people of this deception. Some listen, most just want to argue. Too many ear ticklers.

[@cryptojihadi265]

What's even worse, is so many pretribbers are so locked into a cultlike mindset that it HAS to happen that way and that the Bible is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that it's a pre-trib rapture, no only won't they be prepared to suffer, they won't even believe in Jesus or the Bible, because according to them, that IS what the Bible teaches and Jesus would NEVER allow his saints to suffer the tribulation, even though he PROMISED we would. Why would they be willing to die for a God and a Bible they no longer believe is true.

[@simwirx]

To be honest, I’m truly not so sure anymore myself. All these “perfect” signs are amazing, but our interpretations are far from perfect. It usually turns out far different than we thought or hope. It’s exhausting and disappointing every time. Every time.

[@StonesofZion]

It's peaceful if we just accept the word at face value and apply it fully

[@patriciacarreon448]

1st Thessalonians 5, 9

[@StonesofZion]

@patriciacarreon448 yes that is literally talking about eternal wrath (hell) and salvation

[@cryptojihadi265]

The only reasons their interpretations are so far from perfect is they start with the false premise of a pre-trib rapture. Once you let go of that heresy, and read the scripture for what it actually says, you will know it doesn't happen until the last Trumpet, which is the 7 bowls of wrath being poured out on the wicked, which is when Christ comes to establish His rule on Earth and punish the wicked. THAT is when we are caught up. So, until the the seven seals and trumpets are revealed and the antichrist has also been revealed, done his thing and the great falling away, the rapture isn't happening. ALL the signs we are seeing now, are just the birth pangs. THIS has been one of the huge consequences of the pretrib heresy, it's had so many Christians looking up to the sky and waiting to escape, instead of occupying until He comes, as we are commanded to do. This has led to the destruction of America, a country founded on Godly principals and the Judeo Christian ethic has turned into Sodom and Gomorrah. WE let it happen, while we were waiting for Jesus to take us home. He doesn't come to take us home, He comes to occupy this Earth and take it back from the enemy. Ironically, the pretrib doctrine is what sealed our fate to be persecuted, as we surrendered a Godly nation to the enemy in the false hope of being raptured up before anything bad happens.

[@s.p.prayingmom2021]

Even if we go until the very end, the best way for me personally is one day at a time looking up for my redemption, each and every day could be the day so no matter how bad it gets I have the hope that it could be NOW which is such a help through hard times... the ones who lost hope of being rescued from interment camps often gave up just before a rescue or a release. Since I and many others have absolutely now way of "prepping" or changing any thing in our day to day struggle other then through prayer to just keep holding on, then we do have strength in looking every day for our redemption that draws neigh. Maranatha!

[@2ndexodusendtimespreacher]

By far the best guest you have ever had on your channel in my opinion. All of you pretribbers need to take notice of what this man of God says for your own good. The Manchild are the saints who go All the WAY with the Manchild sitting at the right hand of the Father till his enemies are made his FOOTSTOOL!

[@michaelseay9783]

That guest dude is seriously delusional. You can see it in his eyes that he’s brainwashed: Jeremiah23:16-17, 21 16 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, *_Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord._* 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace; and *_they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you._* 21 *_I have not sent these prophets,_* yet they ran: *_I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied_*

[@israelthegael2342]

@@michaelseay9783 I agree with you that man does not give me an impression of being a prophet. Just by the way he speaks and his self importance(where he says I know every position someone can hold so don't disagree with me). People need to humble themselves and stop appointing themselves honourable titles. I can find many other "prophets" that disagree with him in a simple search.

[@Destiny4Purpose]

Totally agree, it’s with caution that if you intend on saying that you are a prophet of god, you need to get your facts straight regarding his word.

[@pamcooper5837]

@@israelthegael2342 This is also my impression.

[@janetmyers68]

This was an amazing live. Great guest. Thank you. ❤

[@Waffles5.0]

I actually got so wrapped up in this, I became depressed and questioned my faith. I was waiting every day (foolish or not). I laid down one night and prayed that god remove the demon that had found its way in through this Rapture business. There is no easy way out of here. The Father has shown me that we must endure for him.

[@TwoWitnessesLive]

So glad that you saw through the deception. Everything will be just fine. Everyone in the community here bands together to lean on each other. We are live every night at 9pm EST. Join us in the live chat so you can be apart of the community when you can

[@cowel8734]

Thanks for this. Its a hard topic because people will attack and get upset is you question the rapture, but I realized that the Bible does not promote it at all. Jesus likens the people being taken to the people caught in the flood in Noah's time. Also Psalms 37 talks about the end times and says that the wicked will disapear and ppl will question where they went. Caught up to heaven or _coming with the clouds of heaven_ can just mean coming with the glory of God and lifting people's spirits. The Rapture was started by a freemason who's goals are taking over the world. The rapture theory helped people to give up on making a better world because they assumed they'd get taken to heaven while leaving others to suffer the wrath. Rapture theory has people apathetically watching the world fall apart while they chant "oh well, the world isn't my home, so I'll just let it burn"

[@nancyhernandez655]

I saw the original live interview. So many revelations from God toward one person.

[@Gavi-144]

Would love for there to be a rapture but sadly I don't think there will be one.

[@Rafael-l1f5z]

Is My love is for jesus

[@DonnaMichele]

Luke 21:36

[@ccrum1127]

There is not a 7 yr tribulation only the remaining 3 1/2 yrs…

[@maranathaamen5963]

AMEN! See my post earlier!!

[@gradyjohnson7853]

Jesus says, "Pick up your cross and follow me". And if you dont do this, you are not worthy of Him. He tells you this.this is what all the parables are about. Doing His work. Making disciples. Matt 24 lays it all out in order. Jesus tells you Himself. Dan 11:32-35.

[@stevebonar8496]

❤CHRIST❤

[@Jesus_is_Lord_316]

The enemy says false hope, but the Word of God says "BLESSED HOPE" Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; We long for the soon appearing of Jesus Christ to RAPTURE His church BEFORE the Tribulation!!

[@StonesofZion]

Blessed hope is NOT the rapture. It's always been the first resurrection and coming of Jesus

[@cowel8734]

​@@StonesofZiontruth. The rapture isnt biblical at all. Jesus likens the people "taken" to ppl caught in the flood. Also in Psalms 37, it says the wicked will just disappear in the last days and ppl will wonder where they went. Getting "raptured" is not good according to the Bible

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

The BIBLE says that the "Blessed Hope" is his *glorious appearing*, which *every eye shall see*.

[@StonesofZion]

@@DianaSzucs-jv7yo amen! The return of Jesus! Happens at the moment all hope is lost

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

@@StonesofZion We forget that part! You are correct. When all hope is gone. Isn't that the way many of us were saved? Some of us had to be stripped of everything that we took pride in, forced to re-examine our lives before we were ready to turn to the only hope there ever was! I think I ALWAYS believed in God. I had memorized the 23rd Psalm before I was in kindergarten. I knew the truth, I just didn't understand that I was ALSO a helpless sinner (I mean, I was a BPK! I followed all of the rules. I was good, and I had said that magical prayer.) But I had never repented of my very real, and just - as - bad -as -anyone - else's - sins. Extreme ignorance and pride demand extreme measure. Whether an individual person, a church body, or an entire nation self- sufficiency will be destroyed.

[@candaceclark2729]

His children were not appointed to wrath. I’m sorry, but that doesn’t line up with scripture, so I would test that yourself! We need to line prophecy up with scripture. I have received words myself that line up with scriptural references. Don’t blindly listen to this. God has been showing me the rapture is imminent, and he’s shown me so many places in scripture that support it. Please Please, everyone listening to this, test it yourself by praying and reading yourself!

[@StonesofZion]

The scriptures teach that the rapture is not imminent. They tell the events that precede the rapture. And yes the scripture "not appointed to wrath" if you don't cherry pick is referring to eternal wrath. Go back and read it. God will protect and preserve us during His judgements on earth. Same thing He did for Israel in Egypt. 2 thessalonians 2 tells you what comes first. Matthew 24 completes the story. God bless. Pretrib rapture doctrine began in the 1800s. It was never taught by the Church because it's not a true doctrine

[@candaceclark2729]

Not cherry picking, there are references to rapture in Luke, John, Ruth, the story of Leah and Rachel. You have to be seeking the revelation through the Holy Spirit in order to understand. We must all be praying for Holy Spirit revelation during such a deceptive time, if we rely on man’s teaching we won’t see it. The Lord gave me a word of imminent rapture around the same time he showed me 1Thess 4:17 and all of 5. He recently woke me up to Malachi 4…Final warning for the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord is the whole 7 years, it comes suddenly when no one is expecting it. Everyone is going to expect it mid or post trib. The only way he would come as a theif in the night is if it is when no one is expecting it, like the times of Noah when people are eating and drinking and giving in marriage…no one’s going to be doing that during the tribulation, Gods judgements are going to be no joke. Way more aweful than he would ever put his bride through. I’m just challenging others to SEEK the Holy Spirit themselves so they don’t blindly follow a man during such a crucial time.

[@Destiny4Purpose]

I agree absolutely. We are at a pinnacle time right now and cannot afford to be lead astray by individuals who are not clear on scripture. The rapture is imminent, no question about it.

[@candaceclark2729]

@@Destiny4Purpose thank you for this!!! It’s breaks my heart, this is why we need oil in our lamps to not be deceived right as it’s about to happen! Praying 🙏 🙏🙏

[@StonesofZion]

​@candaceclark2729 You will be wsiti.g for a ship that doesn't come in. But the wise and merciful will help you put of your unprepared delimna.

[@Rafael-l1f5z]

Yes thank you jesus

[@Erin-ray]

I’m 70/30 on rapture timing …but I feel the need to share this concept for your prayerful consideration …bc this is what keeps coming up when I Pray…I think everyone is right, and those that refute the pre-trib concept, might not be giving enough consideration to the fact that a renegade generation of the church would BE BORN shortly after the churches departure …from the witnessing of the rapture….imagine it…. Three Christians standing together….one gets raptured, and then the others react to that….one soul reacts by looking inward, excepting that they have fallen short and rising to the challenge….the other soul can’t see past the rejection…and out of their entitled outrage over that rejection -curses Gods name….and curses all that still worship him. Turning on the newly recharged remnant of Christ leading into the verse Mattew 10:21

[@StonesofZion]

I appreciate your attempt to reconcile an unreconcileable view. But the scripture is just simply correct. And the 150 year old false doctrine is not

[@StonesofZion]

@James-qy6fb Ypu still haven't found them lol

[@fanchonirber2933]

Y’all need to look up Alan Nolan he studied eschatology for 28 years. You need to be looking at the Oliver discourse.

[@Rafael-l1f5z]

A man praised lord thank you jesus

[@vee_emm_jay_ess]

It's so clear! in plain view like God's creation so people are without excuse. There is only one resurrection, which is the rapture. We who are alive cannot be caught up until the dead are raised first. The dead cannot be raised until Jesus returns. Jesus can't return until the antichrist reigns for 42 months. If Jesus came before the antichrist, who will He destroy? Jesus is supposed to destroy the antichrist upon His return. Where in Revelation does it say the dead are raised? Chapter 11 when the two witneses are raised wich so happens to be at the last trumpet. As it is written "blessed and Holy are those who partake in the first resurrection".

[@StonesofZion]

Yes you have read your scripture

[@stephensmith777]

Yes, exactly! It’s so simple. I can’t understand how/why people don’t see this when it’s explained to them. I feel like I’m talking to a complete unbeliever when I’m explaining these things to family and friends who know the Lord.

[@Destiny4Purpose]

If there is only one resurrection, then can you first explain those that were resurrected when Jesus was resurrected? Equally, in the book of Revelation 20. Read the whole chapter, you will see that there is more than one resurrection my friend. 🙏🏽

[@StonesofZion]

@@Destiny4Purpose The only "1st resurrection" referenced by Paul and John is at the return of Jesus. And the last is after the millineal reign. Very simple

[@maranathaamen5963]

There is more than one HARPAZO in scripture. Rev 12 gives us Gods outline of what happens when, that tells of the first harpazo where the 'child' is caught up (HARPAZO - ripped off the face of the earth) after the Great Sign (2017), after the woman (Israel) is in a GREAT war...likely coming soon and before this Fall, before the dragon throws 1/3 of his wicked angels down to earth (we will see this), and THEN and only then are the first born joint HEIRS taken UP to Gods throne. Shortly after (150+ days for the pit creatures to sting) the man of sin sits in the temple and claims to be god forcing all to worship him. This is when the woman flees (remnant Israel). The man of sin is killed by the 2 witnesses. Apollyon from the pit indwells the dead man of sin seeming to bring him back to life as the Hybrid AC beast. The 2nd harpazo are the 144k Rev 14:1. Then we have those who were left behind (not first born and those saved after the harpazo, these are the 'other offspring', not 'first born heirs') in Rev 14:14 where we clearly see Jesus Himself reaps the earth of the rest of His offspring with a sharp sickle. Those are the ones who are 'alive and survive' until the coming of the Lord, a day no one knows. Then the 6th seal happens and Gods wrath begins. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmLMdJ13Zbmfqtk Also, there is no "7 year tribulation" anywhere in scripture. You cannot find anything about that in our end times guide book of Revelation. We see 1260 days the woman flees, we see 42 months the hybrid AC beast reigns, but no where do we see anything about 7 years. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHaUk6uumrOLoNU. Gods blessings in Jesus name.

[@robertvandyke9781]

i was post trib but when you study you cant deny a pretrib exist .. pretrib makes sense sad you so prideful

[@pamcooper5837]

I agree. When it is taught correctly, it makes perfect sense.

[@cryptojihadi265]

LOL, nice projection. One key element pretribbers like to believe in is that Jesus would NEVER allow His Bride to get beat up. REALLY? He PROMISED us tribulation, He PROMISED we'd be delivered up to be imprisoned, tortured and killed for His namesake. We are the only Christians that even get to argue such an absurdity as Christians throughout the ages have been slaughtered without mercy. So WHO'S the prideful one? But that's just logic and reasoning, let's see what the bible ACTUALLY says. It only takes two passages to nail down the timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation. Rev 20:4-5 says the FIRST resurrection includes those who were beheaded, who refused to worship the beast or take his mark. Paul says in I Thess 4:16-17 that the dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to be with the Lord. Also note, that happens with a SHOUT and a Trumpet, so hardly a secret rapture. Bottom line, you can't have a resurrection before the FIRST one, and if the FIRST one includes the martyred saints of the Tribulation and the rapture happens AFTER the resurrection of the saints, then it's impossible for the rapture to take place before that. Final nail in the coffin is I Cor 15:51-52 mentions that it takes place at the LAST Trumpet. The last trumpet mentioned in the Bible is the 7th one, which is when Christ comes to earth and pours out the 7 bowls of wrath on the wicked, to judge the earth and claim it as His own. So it fits perfectly, zero interpretation or extrapolation of meaning required. Just look at what the scriptures ACTUALLY say.

[@johnrambo9104]

It exists as a false teaching that started less than 200 years ago. 2 Thessalonians 2 clearly states that Christians gathering to the Lord will not take place before the antichrist is revealed. There's no getting around it, the Rapture happens at the last Trumpet, the seventh, and just before God's wrath is poured out on all those who rejected the warnings and messages of the 2 witnesses.

[@doctalksdude651]

Here is the 300th comment. JESUS SAVES

[@earthage3020]

I also was taught the Pre-Trib Rarture in about 7-8 different churches I attended over the years, PLUS by Many different Christian Radio preachers. Never once did I ever hear Anything against it till a fellow brother (snail) Mailed me an article exposing is as Not being Scriptural. I was shocked after reading it --- and ever since have become only More Convinced that there will be No Pre Trib rapture -- for at least 8 very valid reasons -- maybe more?

[@LauraLarson-of2gz]

Oh the pride comes before the fall 😞

[@Destiny4Purpose]

Dear Brother, it’s sad that you don’t believe in a Pre-trib rapture when there are so many scriptures that refute what you are saying. It’s also sad that many people will be listening to this broadcast believing what you are saying. I’m not here today debate what you are saying but to cement what the word of God says about the pre tribulation rapture. It’s very important to have the truth and to speak on it. Luke 21 also speaks on escaping all those things that are coming on the earth too. Hope you discover the truth by understanding the mysteries of God’s word. Shalom 🙏🏽

[@StonesofZion]

Ypu won't be able to find one pretrib verse. In Matthew 24 God Himself tells us when He is returning. And it's after the tribulation. Also it is actually more sad that people will be unprepared to endure that have been deceived by the pretrib false doctrine. Many of them will fall away when they are hopeless because they ignored the prophets telling them to get ready. Thats the real sad story brother.

[@Chrismbrock2009]

None of the scripture mentions anything about a Rapture. It all discusses that we will not be subject to his wrath.

[@thomasrogersjr3303]

Revelation 20 kinda kills the whole pretrial argument those beheaded that has not worship or took the mark of the beast will be part of what? The first ressurection

[@maribelcruz9819]

There is one verse there that says pray that you might escape but before that Jesus is saying that we will be hated for his name sake and put in jail and some will be killed so I don’t know why people disregard that and just focus on the part that comes after. Jesus was not confused. People should stop taking one verse out of context

[@tiasmithfollowerofJesusChrist]

⁠@@Chrismbrock2009I believe many get confused between, tribulation and wrath. Jesus said we would have TRIBULATION. Then in 1 Thessalonians 5 it states…we are not appointed to God’s WRATH. I feel like many have been deceived just by the use it the two words in the incorrect way. IF I am incorrect, it is always my prayer the Holy Spirit will correct me, because I do have a love for the truth.

[@Rafael-l1f5z]

That may be young man, but I way of understanding is not the Lord's way. The way we think it's not the way he thinks show. Therefore, if I don't understand it, there's nothing like his then how would we really understand? Unless God would give it to us

[@trishrudman2298]

How come you said you had a vision that God gave you that there is a pretribulation rapture, and now you say God gave you thus say the Lord we are not being raptured, so why did God changed his mind???

[@StonesofZion]

My vision was of the rapture described by God Himself in Mathhew 24. In which the sun and moon are darkened AFTER the tribulation and Jesus returns to gather us. There is no pretrib rapture

[@maranathaamen5963]

@@StonesofZion There is more than one HARPAZO in scripture. Rev 12 gives us Gods outline of what happens when, that tells of the first harpazo where the 'child' is caught up (HARPAZO - ripped off the face of the earth) after the Great Sign (2017), after the woman (Israel) is in a GREAT war...likely coming soon and before this Fall, before the dragon throws 1/3 of his wicked angels down to earth (we will see this), and THEN and only then are the first born joint HEIRS taken UP to Gods throne. Shortly after (150+ days for the pit creatures to sting) the man of sin sits in the temple and claims to be god forcing all to worship him. This is when the woman flees (remnant Israel). The man of sin is killed by the 2 witnesses. Apollyon from the pit indwells the dead man of sin seeming to bring him back to life as the Hybrid AC beast. The 2nd harpazo are the 144k Rev 14:1. Then we have those who were left behind (not first born and those saved after the harpazo, these are the 'other offspring', not 'first born heirs') in Rev 14:14 where we clearly see Jesus Himself reaps the earth of the rest of His offspring with a sharp sickle. Those are the ones who are 'alive and survive' until the coming of the Lord, a day no one knows. Then the 6th seal happens and Gods wrath begins. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmLMdJ13Zbmfqtk Also, there is no "7 year tribulation" anywhere in scripture. You cannot find anything about that in our end times guide book of Revelation. We see 1260 days the woman flees, we see 42 months the hybrid AC beast reigns, but no where do we see anything about 7 years. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHaUk6uumrOLoNU. Gods blessings in Jesus name.

[@mickeyguide3112]

Usually these guys that say God gave me a dream,or this and that. I saw Jesus etc ...they are plain and simple lying. God hasn't give them anything. It's extremely rare that anyone would get anything from God. I've seen it once happen to a person whose mother died. It happened once to her in her lifetime. Not saying this guy is lying cause I don't know it as fact but Jesus said there Will be false prophets prophecing in my name...which is a fact!

[@StonesofZion]

@@mickeyguide3112 if it is rare you hear from God, then you are not walking with Him. Jesus said" My sheep hear My voice' There are 5 offices in the body of Christ. Prophet and apostle are two of them.

[@mickeyguide3112]

@@StonesofZion to walk with Christ happens little by little,that transformation inside of you. But it happens only cause of grace of God. You can't do it on your own. You can do nothing on your own .It should lead you wanting to be in silence. Only in silence you can really start to hear something from Him...but they are not revelations. Quoting scriptures is only leading to that holier than thou attitude what the pharisees had. Our Creator,Jesus Christ as God in the flesh was actually crucified cause of an organised religion. The pharisees thought they were right cause of their impure hearts filled with pride. We should strive to purify our hearts staying humble. Be humble enough to admit before our Lord that you don't actually know anything. But if you're willing to learn God will start to show/teach you things little by little...but they are not revelations. I've seen and learned quite a lot in the past 10 yrs in my life but your experience belongs only to you. If it happened cause you say so,so be it. That's not of my business but nevertheless it doesn't change a thing what I said above in here.

[@RichardClark-i6b]

This might sound crazy to some however since I came to the realization that there is no pretribulation rapture I have peace that goes beyond understanding, I have confidence that Christ will Keep us safe no matter if we are tortured and killed for Christ, we should not fear them which are able to kill the body only, but fear him that is able to destroy both body and soul in hell ,

[@brendaquinney592]

Maybe some are confusing rapture with the second exodus

[@mattiejohnson4637]

Nahum 1:2.

[@carolynwatson3343]

Amen 🙏🏻

[@johndaniels1920]

IF OUR LORD SUFFERED WHY WOULD WE NOT.

[@Miss.J333]

So Im not trying to create a storm by discussing the rapture. But would say what I’m seeing or not seeing in Revelation……why is it that the church is not seen or mentioned after Revelation 3. So a second question would be for your guest….when he received this word about the rapture….did he test the spirits, in 1 John 4:2…..Not challenging him, but curious about this…. I thank you

[@StonesofZion]

Simply because the letters to the church section ends there. There's only one body of Christ. That includes Jew and Gentile according to Paul. Nothing in scripture separates us from the Jews. Scripture in fact teaches the opposite. It teaches we are grafted into the commonwealth of Israel by faith. Revelations teaches the saints will be martyred and war with the antichrist. Saints are Spirit Filled, obedient believers. Simple as that

[@Destiny4Purpose]

The whole point of Jacob’s Trouble, I.e. Daniel 12 is about the Jews going through it and the unbelieving world, not those that believe! The church is not mentioned after Revelation 3 because they have been raptured.

[@StonesofZion]

@@Destiny4Purpose Nope

[@maranathaamen5963]

@@StonesofZion Even so God has different plans for different people groups.

[@Bob_the_Believer]

They are seen miss.J333 they have just been re-labeled trib saints. Take seal 5 for instance. Who are those who are martyred for holding to the testimony of Jesus? I say the church - pre trib says “ no it’s the trib saints” then uses the argument the church isn’t seen.

[@madammim694]

its just so plain in the text to me, I can't figure how the pretrib view was even thought up. thanks for the discussion. see if you can get joel richardson too, he's a good teacher

[@StonesofZion]

They just messaged him today@

[@StonesofZion]

They have itching ears wanting to hear smooth things

[@TheWhiteMokona]

because it's literally in typology all over the bible, also specified in Rev, 1 thess, luke, etc. but if you don't want to see it you certainly won't. I started studying this last year -- I didn't even know the word eschatology or any of the schools of thought. I just read and prayed and the Holy Spirit showed me what the living word truly means.

[@russwhite3952]

hey watchful , have brenda weltner back on and explain revlation 12 from her understanding

[@kevinclark6289]

Feel free to go through the wrath of God and in terms that the world and you can probably understand good luck with that but for the bride of Christ the Philadelphia Church is not appointed to go through the wrath of God.

[@StonesofZion]

You can't choose. Prepare to face the antichrist!

[@cowel8734]

God can protect you without the fake Rapture that has decieved much of the Church. The theory has ppl just giving up on helping the earth because they feel they deserve to be free from all suffering while they leave others behind to suffer Jesus likens the ppl taken to the people killed in the flood and also Psalms 37 says that in the last days, the wicked will disapear and ppl will question where they went. The kingdom of God is inside of you, so being "caught up to heaven" can just mean a divine revelation

[@Rafael-l1f5z]

That sounds about right

[@carolynwatson3343]

I believe we are currently in tribulation. I believe that the Bride of Christ will be removed before Great Tribulation comes, as we are not destined for wrath.

[@StonesofZion]

The Word wrath in context in that scripture is referring to eternal wrath. Go back and read it

[@carolynwatson3343]

@@StonesofZion You most certainly are entitled to your beliefs, just as I am to mine. For your sake, I certainly pray you are incorrect in your understanding of scripture. I receive mine from decernment by the Holy Spirit. Love and Blessings in Christ.

[@StonesofZion]

@@carolynwatson3343 I literally heard God speak to me on this issue. And tell me to warn of this deception. I know you wish and hope for an early escape, but it will not come. Prepare to endure

[@jesusisourhope2023]

I don't believe we are in the tribulation. There is no mark of the beast, no antichrist. I can still shop and do whatever I want. I have no tribulation in my life what so ever. But Jesus said it will be the worst time ever, that has never been a will never be again. No, this is NOT tribulation.

[@jesusisourhope2023]

@@StonesofZion YOU say it was God who spoke to you. And that is what it is. He spoke to YOU. He didn't tell me what he told you. And I also have the Holy Spirit. I stick with the Bible and I read it with the Holy Spirit who teaches me. I don't say this to mock you. My point is that what you are saying is not sanctioned in my spirit. You can't say you are a prophet. But if you say you are a prophet and it is not true, it is not good for you according to the Bible.

[@Rafael-l1f5z]

That's true too

[@kendagriffin]

Question…did Enoch have scripture saying that he WOULD be taken, raptured? If so, which scripture? There is nothing new under the sun!!!

[@StonesofZion]

Enoch will be back during the tribulation fighting along side of you and me to meet his once appointed death.

[@Destiny4Purpose]

That’s such nonsense. Why would you be fighting if you are prepared to die for the cause of Christ????

[@StonesofZion]

@Destiny4Purpose nowhere did I say anything about fighting. We will have to defend the innocent which is righteous but we will be tested up to death if God wills. And we should all be OK with that

[@kendagriffin]

I have had many supernatural experiences! I will be raptured, however that may look!

[@cathyD-cd29d]

Revelation 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

[@sidburn2385]

Ill stick to what Brother Robert Breaker teaches.

[@jj-ns3ck]

God doesn’t pour his wrath on his children, the tribulation is for the unbelievers and the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, the seals haven’t opened yet. You are twisting Gods Word.

[@StonesofZion]

Yes His wrath is for the wicked. He protects His children. We are raptured at the day of the Lord before His wrath.

[@StonesofZion]

I quoted NOT TWISTED God's word. Pretribbers pull stuff out that is not there

[@lemongate4869]

Tribulation and Wrath are two different things for two different groups of people for two different reasons. The Tribulation is for the Christians , to test and strengthen and purify our faith. The Wrath of God comes after. That is for the sinners that persecuted and martyred the Christians. Millions of us will be martyred. It's in the Bible., there in black and white

[@jesusisourhope2023]

Maybe the ones that believe in the rapture go up and the ones who don't believe will endure til the end 🤔 Anyways, if someone says so many times he is a prophet... I go hmmm... Time will tell.

[@StonesofZion]

Also not in scripture. Rapture belief is not a listed scriptural prerequisite for going with Christ. Righteousness and Holiness is

[@jesusisourhope2023]

@@StonesofZion I don't listen very much to people who claim to be a prophet. God does not speak only to you. Even I and many others who are pretrib hear from God. And that is in fact lining up with Scripture. Jesus loves me and he is not going to pour out his wrath on me. I am sorry that you think that Jesus would treat you so bad. It says that the great tribulation will be the worst time that has ever been and will ever be. That is not the same kind of tribulation that the apostles had. Totally different. The tribulation is also called Jacob's trouble. The church is not Jacob. It is also dangerous to say you are a prophet if it is not true. Read what the Bible says about it. May God's grace be upon you.

[@StonesofZion]

@@jesusisourhope2023 God speaks to His children according to the Bible. So I would watch the slander . I haven't slandered you once. Nowhere in that video did I call myself prophet Dalton. I said I'm called to the Prophetic office. That's in scripture. Which office are you called to? There's 5.

[@jesusisourhope2023]

@@StonesofZion My comment was kinda ironic though. It was a joke. I know it is not in the scripture.

[@StonesofZion]

@jesusisourhope2023 God bless. If you're His, you'll learn to not slander your fellow believers. Even when you don't understand them

[@Keepitoriginalministry]

I would love to come on your channel and explain what i believe about the rapture? And revelation 12 is a history on a bigger scale. From tge beginning to end. Let's talk about it?

[@robsonrissotrainer]

So what you are saying is when I got to the part of the bible that talks about the rapture we should rip that page right maybe that part of the bible is a false teaching and we should rip ot off, or maybe God took Noah and his family before the flood was a mistake and he regretted, he also regretted taking lot and his family before burning the city, but now that the earth will have his wrath and will be the worse time ever he will leave his people here to suffer 😂 he suffered and paid the price for our life's so we don't have to go through hell my friend, I go by what's written and there is a rapture so that's how is gonna be wanted or not

[@Supportfreespeech]

I wonder how one of these episodes would play out if Jack Hibbs were invited to speak?

[@jamesfrazier5148]

Didn't he say about 4 weeks ago sleeping around is an unforgivable sin?

[@Supportfreespeech]

@@jamesfrazier5148 which who are you referring to that said that?

[@jamesfrazier5148]

Jack Hibbs. I couldn't believe it. It's been within the last 6 weeks

[@Supportfreespeech]

@@jamesfrazier5148 I have to give him kudos for calling out the WEF because of their hidden agendas against humanity… but I have a hard time taking 100% stock in another human being who sits on a toilet the same way we all do.

[@jamesfrazier5148]

Wednesday March 6 that s who and when. I like Jack Hibbs. That's not the first thing I didn't agree with that he said. GBY

[@Bob_the_Believer]

Rapture happens in between the 6th and 7th seal. Rev. Chapters 6 & 7 are direct parallels to the olivet discourse describing the same events Jesus did in Mathew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. This parallels precisely with the timeline for n 2 Thessalonians.

[@StonesofZion]

That is something I'm slightly open to. But pretrib is deception

[@Bob_the_Believer]

I dropped pre-trib when I saw the parallels in Olivet discourse, rev 6 & 7, and thess. They are ALL saying the same thing. I think Daniel’s 70th week starts soon and if it does first 3.5 years are the birth pangs where about 2 billion die. (Think of The recent virus effect and then think of 2 billion dead) then seal 5 and the great tribulation/Jacobs trouble (same event two perspectives) then the Day of the Lord God’s wrath right after seal 6.

[@StonesofZion]

@Bob_the_Believer I think you are very close to correct! If not spot on

[@Bob_the_Believer]

I made a video about a year ago on my channel that I line out the “Day of the Lord” rapture as I see it in scripture. Would love your feedback.

[@vee_emm_jay_ess]

If the rapture is between 6th and 7th seal, then that makes the two witnesses a second resurrection. The rapture is the resurrection and Revelation says there is only one resurrection and that takes place at the last trumpet.

[@flyhigh6591]

Perhaps you and your followers need to look up Perry Stone ministries and let him teach you some things that you thought you knew. His videos on KZbin teachings will leave you either believing you're religion are the word of God concerning the rapture. We are absolutely 100% not going through what is intended as punishment for the unbelievers. Forget about both sides of the argument for a moment and view this with a little common sense. Every single time there was judgment that came upon The world , God has always delivered his people . Well that is until now? that within itself says God will deliver Us. Now carry on with all the scriptures in which you have convinced yourself there is no pre-trib rapture .

[@StonesofZion]

He has nothing to teach about the rapture. He is deceived. But he's a great minister. We all have blind spots. Yes God will deliver us through the coming judgements

[@flyhigh6591]

@@StonesofZion okay let me explain it like this . Even if Satan himself read the Bible to you word for word, can you believe it? Absolutely . It doesn't matter who is coming from. Well Perry Stone breaks down the Bible word for word concerning this subject. You will have to deny the word of God in order to continue believing what you believe. There's middle of the road.

[@StonesofZion]

@@flyhigh6591 Brother Jesus and Paul already told us when it is. 2 thessalonians 2 and Matyhew 24 . If Perry is teaching contrary to them (he is) I don't want to hear it

[@flyhigh6591]

@@StonesofZion okay well my message isn't for you, it's for your new followers to listen to some educated people concerning whatever questions they may have. It doesn't make any difference who it is as long as it's endorsed by God. And Perry Stone has one of the most thorough investigative videos concerning the rapture. Just pray for the holy Spirit which is our compass to guide you. If this guy is telling the truth , I believe 100% God will give you peace .

[@StonesofZion]

@@flyhigh6591 God told me there is NO Pretrib rapture and to prepare and warn His people. And to rebuke liars. They will scream pretrib all the way up til the dollar collapses and then retreat to their getaways that YOU PAID FOR with tithes because you enjoyed tye smooth lies. That's what God is really saying

[@elijah2078]

What happened Sept. 2017?

[@terryflynn7731]

Read Amos 9-10 there is no pre trib rapture

[@tonysmith1190]

The PTR will be proven false when the 2 Witnesses appear. Until then....

[@dbol205]

I also agree the rapture is not taking us but keeping us. Like the parable of the wheat and the tares.

[@TheWhiteMokona]

the first line of that parable says that men will sleep -- the men that will sleep are who the wheat and the tares parable is applicable to. The church is awake and does not sleep like others do.

[@twentynineelevenpodcast9283]

The Revelation 12 sign happened a long time ago this prophecy was Jesus no doubt. I would not pay any mind to that.

[@LauraLarson-of2gz]

Those verses your quoting from the bible are literally for the Jews and all the tribulation saints!!!! Our faith is not in a date, of a rapture or any other event on God's prophetic timeline, our faith is in the blood sacrifice attonement of Jesus Christ alone!!!!!🎚️ The blood alone! However, our blessed hope also lies with Jesus, and what you believe as to his coming does decide whether you will be taken as the bride, or left behind to endure the tribulation and therefore become a tribulation saint!!!! Don't be a tribulation saint!!!! Be a bride!!!!! Peace and love to all in the name of Jesus Christ!!!!! ❤️🙌🎚️ Another note: Chris and Watchful, as I was typing this out and was listening to some of the things coming out of the mouth of this young man, I was grieved at my core and couldn't help but notice all the lies he spoke!!!!!😞 We can have a difference in opinion and even our understanding of scripture, but when someone intentionally decieves, that is altogether something else!! 😡 There are many ways to decieve! Outright lying, and even when you are so called telling or giving the truth, while seemingly even pulling or cherry picking from scripture, you are not giving the whole truth!!!! For we are to seek the whole council of God! This debate you guys are having not just amongst yourselves, but broadcasting it, just does not set very well with the spirit! I am not saying there is any intentional evil deception going on here by some of the things being said, but....😞 I pray 🙏for proper discernment through the Holy Spirit!!!! He will lead us to ALL truth!!! ❤️🙌👑🎚️ Shalom 🎚️

[@mamacanuck2561]

While I agree that the Pretrib Rapture is absolutely unbiblical, I'm just as absolutely concerned when someone says they got a 'word' from the LORD and then says "Thus says the LORD...". The Bible is clear that God spoke through the prophets and then Jesus and that's it. If someone says "Thus says the LORD...", then whatever follows should be added to the existing Scriptures, but then you have a problem because the Bible forbids adding to or subtracting from it.

[@StonesofZion]

No the Bible does not say that. The Bible says there will be apostles prophets pastors teachers and evangelists until Jesus returns and we all see perfectly. The Bible also says that if you are Jesus' sheep, you hear His voice. The Bible also says that those that are not of Him do not hear Him. If you don't speak to God, you are not in relationship. I encourage you to meet Him. Not just read of Him. He's living and never changes!

[@StonesofZion]

Also brother The Word of God is a Spirit and that is God Himself. Not a book. The Word of God is eternally speaking. The Bible says "all the books of the world could not contain the deeds Jesus did" That was the Word of God too. We simply have 66 books. His Word is forever.

[@mickeyguide3112]

Yep, they are lying...all these false prophets . God didn't show them anything and If something infact did happen it was most propably the angel of light doing once again his dirty deeds, deceiving people. The only way God might show someone something is if you pray from someone else's life. I've seen it happen once to a dear friend of mine who did this after her own mother died. What she got from Heaven happened only once in her lifetime. It's extremely rare to receive anything,revelations/dreams etc from our Creator. However God speaks many times through children so if a child receives something that throughly changes him/her there might be something to it. God bless!

[@sevenmiller9042]

Logical questions. So if? it's for us to suffer and be far far worse... As evil is installed and won't change. Such as Nazis no one changes. So I guess since Both sides are dug in... Then what is value in being . Slau htered? What is value in it. Answer me show hosts. Don't ignore logic

[@Bob_the_Believer]

Read seal 5 in revelation chapter 6?

[@StonesofZion]

​@Bob_the_Believer what was tue value of Jesus and the Apostles laying down their lives?

[@Bob_the_Believer]

@@StonesofZionvalue of Christ laying down His is, fulfilling the promises of God, forgiveness and propitiation of our sins, the joy set before Him , etc etc etc. Purpose of the apostles, Glory of God, obedience, the gift of martyrdom, complete that which is lacking in Christs afflictions, etc etc etc.

[@StonesofZion]

@@Bob_the_Believer Right on!

[@travelbysign7351]

The man child (now) Christ is the head. We (the church) are the body. Please don't get stuck in only 1 analogy (that we are the bride). For example - Jesus plays multiple roles in analogies. The groom, the thief in the night, the master etc. etc... Yes, we are the bride, the faithful servant, the body of Christ, the "Man Child" with Jesus as our head. Us Christians are not the virgin who is carried away for protection. We did not give birth to the Christ. That was the Jews. The Jews were dispersed in the wilderness (world) for their own protection so no one could easily round up all of them for genocide. There is more to the analogy that would require a longer explanation. May God bless us all with better understanding through our coming together to discuss and study the word.

[@johnssmith4005]

" The Tribulation has to do with Islam " ...... Oh really ? where in the Koran does it say that they should demolish Al Aqsa Mosque and build the 3rd Temple in it's place then declare total war on the saints ? Islam can barely hang with Israel alone how on earth could they manage to go to war against the whole World ?

[@Jesus_is_Lord_316]

Matthew 24 covers both the Rapture AND 2nd Coming: *RAPTURE - Matthew 24:27* - For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. *2ND COMING - Matthew 24:30* - And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. This also clears up the misunderstood verse 29: Matthew 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: SO RAPTURE FIRST (verse 27), THEN THROUGH TRIBULATION (verse 29), THEN 2ND COMING (verse 30). Also in Matthew 24, verse 27 and verse 30, in the English translation, use the word "COMING", but the descriptions of these "COMINGS" are quite different. AND, a quick study of the original Greek words in these 2 verses will show you that these 2 words "COMING" are 2 DIFFERENT Greek words. That should get us thinking ...) *2 Timothy 4:1* - ... the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead *at his appearing AND his kingdom* (Those alive in Christ face the BEMA seat rewards judgement at His appearing - His reward is with Him. Those still dead in their sins are judged and ruled with a rod of iron during His kingdom reign) *James 5:7-8* - Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, *until he receive the early and latter rain* . Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. (The Lord receives His early harvest, and then His later harvest)

[@jakeofsp4des]

This passage is in context with the Great Tribulation (aka the last 3.5 years of the seven) Verse 29 then states immediately after the Tribulation of those days. This is the context that proceeds 29-31 ‭Matthew 24:15-26 NKJV‬ “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [16] “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [17] Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. [18] And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. [19] But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! [20] And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. [21] For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [22] And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. [23] “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [24] For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [25] See, I have told you beforehand. [26] “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

[@nyxspirited272]

Greeaat, so we're calling God a liar now 😑

[@StonesofZion]

Nope. God told us when the rapture is in Matthew 24

[@pamcooper5837]

@@StonesofZion He was talking to the Jews, not the church.

[@StonesofZion]

@pamcooper5837 No he wasn't. He was talking alone with His disciples (it literally says that) and it also says "let the reader understand" God is clear there because the passage is your cheat code to what you have to face before His return. And it's not cotton candy mountains and a rapture

[@nyxspirited272]

@StonesofZion woooooaaahhh reading and interpeting scripture like that is a dangerous ideology

[@StonesofZion]

@@nyxspirited272 So it's dangerous to believe scripture as it is written and not twist it? Lol

[@factualproof]

Post tribulation rapture Mathew 24:29 onwards Mark 13 Luke 22 Rev 20 1thes 4 1corinth15 All point to post tribulation rapture.

[@Kman.]

The truth of the matter is, *NONE* of those texts provides any support for either post, OR pre-trib rapture position. You'd have to explain how you arrive @ your conclusion. It's like trying to summarize that book report your teacher assigned to you in *7th* grade without FIRST explaining what the book was all about. In o/words, your post was an utter failure.

[@factualproof]

@@Kman. The matter of fact is that there is a tribulation and there is a rapture the world is divided on that regarding the timing .... Read mathew 24:29 it starts with after the tribulation then the elect are taken .... Keep your mind open and let the holy spirit lead and take your call even after tha keep your mind open to change your stand if a new verse crops up supporting the other way with proof ..... To each his own 👍🏼

[@Kman.]

@@factualproof In all of what you said, you've taken no steps to introduce any support for the position you hold or the verses you cited. You're begging the question. You're putting the proverbial cart before the horse. You have the tail wagging the dog. Peace out, and *MARANATHA!*

[@factualproof]

@@Kman. Yup I have given in short go to Mathew 24:29 onwards read and tell what it says about .... Don't interpret read the plain verses and tell what is it talking about .... Better read whole of Mathew 24 ... As I said take it or leave it no force each make their own decisions and understanding

[@Kman.]

@@factualproof I'm out of town and not at a computer, but you basically identified the problem you're having in obtaining the correct interpretation... You began by suggesting that I start in verse 29... huge problem! You at least stated to read the entire chapter which is better, but chapter divisions were not in the original and I know you understand that. The context is established in what we know to be be chapter 23, and it has zero to do with the church... absolutely zero. So without establishing the context and drawing a conclusion, your text without context, is nothing but pretext for your proof text, I.e, CONTEXTOMY. I've not even brought to your attention all the problems and things that cannot be paired with scripture in suggesting that the Olivet Discourse identifies the rapture of the church.

[@44spangle]

Revelation 19:7-16 wedding feast in heaven before JESUS 2nd coming. Matthew 24:36-51 is Jesus talking about the pretribulation rapture and those evil servants are damned for not following sound doctrine and living for this world. Matthew 25:1-13 is all about the pretribulation rapture and those 5 foolish virgins represent worldy Christians being damned due to not being born again (true bidy of Christ) JESUS said you deny him before man he will deny you before the Father, so those denying Christ coming for his bride are damned.

[@LauraLarson-of2gz]

You guys do realize the gospel that Jesus preached during His ministry was a different gospel than the gospel preached by Paul????!!!!!

[@StonesofZion]

Nope

[@StonesofZion]

Paul was commissioned directly by Jesus.

[@cowel8734]

Same God, but different audiences. Both are true and trustworthy. Both help you understand the spirit. The New Testament isn't a law book(It does have commandments for better living) and it all can help you seek and understand God's spirit better

[@StonesofZion]

@cowel8734 New testament is the final law

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

You must learn about the FATHER HEART OF GOD AND HIS CARACTER...then you will not put out your false doctrines... If you have a personal relationship with our FATHER...only possible by being a true disciple of JESUS...you will know His heart and caracter and love for His family...and you will see the truth of the pretrib rapture for His true disciples and lukewarm church will go through tribulation with a 2nd change to be those blessed ones who are called to the marriage supper.. Rev.19....also see there that the bride is now called "wife"..she was already with the groom...for 7yrs..and the marriage ceremonies ended with the marriage supper...clearly the bride has become the wife... Jewish wedding lasts 7days..marriage supper always on the last day.. Our heavenly bridegroom is Jewish...and King of kings. Rapture is about reward...not salvation.

[@StonesofZion]

What about your brothers being murdered for Jesus overseas right now? What about the Apostles ? Yeah. God promises we will be tested.

[@elwoodtrost5052]

I think the man child is 144,000

[@LouisFrankFerrari]

Poor boy is lost. Answer me this oh so knowledgeable man. Why hasn’t the tribulation began yet ??

[@gjag6969]

Too distracting!

[@patriciacarreon448]

There will be a rapture before thebtribulation. 1st Thessalonians 5 vs 9.

[@StonesofZion]

That's referring to the return of Jesus.

[@cowel8734]

​@@StonesofZiontruth

[@westtide]

Thus saith the Lord huh? The time of prophets is past. In these last days he has spoke to us by his Son. Not through ANYONE else. Not Buddha , Alah, your aunt, youtube channels. No one else. “Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭ See the shift from false prophet to false teachers. Time of prophets is past “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.” ‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬ ‭ Once for all delivered to the saints. God’s word does not require another book. Thus mans word is not equal to Gods. Time of prophets is past “Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.” ‭‭Jude‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬ ‭ Akin to teaching. A spiritual gift. Time of prophets is past. Thus saith the Lord is not a spiritual gift. Mans word is not equal to Gods. “On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14‬:‭3‬ ‭ “But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4‬:‭4‬ ‭ “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,” ‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭

[@williamporter9703]

IMHO, he is confusing the second coming with the rapture. Many have studied and prayed about this, as he has, and God has confirmed in their hearts a pre-trib rapture. Who is right? Personally, I believe in a pre-great-tribulation rapture. The 70th week is for the Jews, not the church, but God does not turn up the heat until the mid point and I believe we will be taken before then. Somewhere around the 5th seal. We’ll know for sure one day soon.

[@StonesofZion]

Jesus AND Paul say the second coming IS the rapture in scripture

[@Chrismbrock2009]

I promise you that you’re wrong. When you are here and wondered why this will be your answer

[@williamporter9703]

@@Chrismbrock2009 Sorry, Chris, you can state your opinion, as I did, but in the end that’s all it is - your opinion. You cannot promise me or anyone else anything. As your guest pointed out, it’s not a salvation issue, just a difference of opinion. This is the second time I’ve posted my opinion on here and it’s also the second time you’ve disagreed with rude comments. I think I am done here. I wish y’all well and much success.

[@jesusisourhope2023]

Yes, it is Jacob's trouble. The church is not Jacob.

[@maranathaamen5963]

@@StonesofZion Its not in there, sorry. Matt 24:29 And immediately after the tribulations of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven (KING JESUS 2nd COMING): and then shall all the kindreds of the earth mourn (will include Israels (the woman) remnant who fled for 1260 days), and they shall see the Son of man come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. THIS IS JESUS' PAROUSIA!! When the Day of the Lord begins at His return to earth for armageddon and then to set up His kingdom. 31 And he shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect, from the four winds, and from the one end of the HEAVENS (3772 ouranós - heaven - Usage: heaven, (a) the visible heavens: the atmosphere, the sky, the starry heavens, (b) the spiritual heavens. - air, heaven, sky. ) unto the other. HIS SAINTS IN HEAVEN ARE ASSEMBLED HERE....FROM HEAVEN, FROM THE AIR< HEAVEN< SKY...NOT the earth.

[@trishrudman2298]

Why would the enemy lie to us to say there is no tribulation because that just makes people more intense to tell people of the love of Jesus and they need him, and I’m sure the enemy does not want people saved

[@StonesofZion]

Definitely not solid logic here. Salvation has nothing to do with the pretrib rapture doctrine. If you equate the two, I recommend you get back to the foundations of the faith. Pretrib rapture is a 150 year old false doctrine

[@TheWhiteMokona]

not a deception it is literally all over the bible. However, even if it weren't true it would not affect my faith one bit.

[@StonesofZion]

It's actually nowhere in the bible. Try to find it. Lol. You'll ne looking forever

[@Zsolt1111]

Actually, it isn't.

[@ampavoo]

NOPE

[@Keepitoriginalministry]

Why

[@robrigogilmoresr4831]

Hertics if you expect to be here during the tribulation then your salvation needs to be questioned because God is coming for his church and the church will escape the Great Tribulation Yeshua is coming back soon repent repent except Jesus as your lord and personal savior repent if you reject Jesus you accept the mark of the beast which is the digital ID so repent please repent the kingdom of God is at hand repent

[@cowel8734]

The rapture theory is a deception started by a freemason and it caused people to give up on improving the world so they could just "fly away" when it gets tough. Getting Christians to just give up on the world has helped the rulers take over. Jesus likens people being "taken" to the people caught in the flood. Psalm 37 also talks about the end and says that the evil will disapear and people will wonder where they went. God can still protect us and "catch us up to heaven" in our spirits without leaving earth. Being "caught up" can just refer to the kingdom of God thats inside of you Jesus is returning to earth and will rule for 1000 years on earth so we have no need to leave.

[@tapestrylove2770]

Don't Be Caught Under His Feet In The Darkness. When He Rides Into Egypt Not Caught Up Hitting The Deck. After That All Darkness Under His Feet.

[@Chrismbrock2009]

Matthew 24:13-15 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

[@ahorsewithnoname870]

It's very simple. . Anyone who knows the scriptures can fulfill the scriptures before they happen in an almost infinite amount of ways. So there are those who will fulfill those scriptures, by saying "the enemy has the power". And there are those who fulfill those very same scriptures by putting their hope in the lord. . You and your family can do whatever it is you will do. As we ourselves fulfill the scriptures as to what we do. As for me and my family, we will put hope in the lord. As there is nothing to lose. Those who talk about "they will fall away once trouble comes because they believed in a rescue". . You are speaking only about people who never believed in the first place. As for those who are sincere, whether we live or die, we are in Christ. Whether tribulations or fattening. We are in Christ. And not one of those who are sincere can be snatched out of his hands, regardless of what we think we understand of the scriptures. The man speaking is speaking of the devil. "Get behind me Satan. You are a stumble block". As he gives more hope in the enemy, then in the lord. He is like Peter before the crucifixion came. . Peter as the example not because he isn't of the lord, but Peter as the example that man will put their hopes in anything, including the devil, until the lord does the work.

[@breadoflife2075]

Demons are trying to hide the fact that the Bride of Christ will be taken before the time of trial starts (rev 3:10).

[@StonesofZion]

The Word "keep" in Revelation 3 10 translates to "preserve and protect" not "remove" Easily debunked with a concordance

[@breadoflife2075]

@@StonesofZion Luk_21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Joh_12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

[@StonesofZion]

@@breadoflife2075 Yes. Just like Noah, Lot, and everyone else that God preserved in scripture

[@breadoflife2075]

@@StonesofZion Here's the way I see it. Who is the Manchild in Rev. 12:5? They are the 144,000/bride of Christ /1st Fruits of the harvest/overcomers. They will be taken from the hour of testing written about in Revelation 3:10. They are the overcomers and shall rule with a rod of Iron with Jesus. Rev 2:26 And HE THAT OVERCOMES, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a ROD OF IRON; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. The Manchild (Rev. 12:5) is the 1st fruits/144,000/bride of Christ (Ephesians 5:30- 32) and will be with Jesus when he opens the seals in Revelation chapter 6. Luke_21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass and to stand before the Son of man. The 10 virgins are not the Bride. They are bridesmaids and the 5 wise ones will be taken when Jesus and his bride come from the wedding (Luke_12:36) The manchild in Revelation 12:5 that is caught up before Satan is cast down is the 1st fruits/144,000/bride of Christ, taken from the Church and will be with Jesus when he opens the seals in Revelation chapter 6. They shall also rule with a rod of Iron with Jesus. (Rev. 2:26-27) The woman is the main harvest/wise virgins. The remnant of her seed are the gleanings/foolish virgins. We see a picture of the Bride of Christ in Genesis 24 Abraham is a picture of God the father. Isaac is a picture of God the son (Jesus). Abraham's servant is a picture of the Holy Spirit. Rebekah is a picture of the bride of Christ. The Canaanites are a picture of the world. When Abraham says my country and kindred in Genesis 24:4 it is referring to the church as a whole.

[@breadoflife2075]

@@StonesofZion kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJPNZKZ5fcaUptk

[@rosalindrivera7519]

Personally, I hope and pray that there is a pre TRIB Rapture however, as horrifying as the thought of f it, the Lord will rapture the church in His own timing and not an instant sooner🙏🏾❤️🟦🙏🏻R. Rivera