The Predatory Market of YouTube Advice Channels

[@ImCliffordToday]

This was actually very helpful. I myself am a struggling creator and have fallen prey to seeking out these KZbinrs help, specifically Nick Nimmin. Watching your video helped me realize that I need to be more confident in what I create and to not let the numbers get in the way of creativity. So thank you!

[@MasterEth]

YES! Exactly! I'm glad I could help! I see literally MILLIONS of people fall victim to these guys every single day, so you letting me know that you now see the light of why their actually doing this, really let's me know that this was an important video to make. I greatly appreciate the support. Share this video to your creator friends if you want, let's get this message out there! :D

[@CoconutPete]

Someone needed to say it. The sad part is the gurus real goal is to string you along. Even if you buy a course they won't be done there. They'll then try to convince you to do expensive one on one coaching or spend a few grand going to a convention. All the KZbin advice you need can be found for free on PewDiePie's channel

[@darrentaylordigital]

@@MasterEth the word "victim" means a transgression took place against you. What was that offence that one of these KZbin help channels committed against you?

[@darrentaylordigital]

Interestingly just looking at your channel, you haven't actually taken any advice from these KZbin help channels. So I'm not sure what harm they've actually committed. You can't even say their advice sucks, you didn't take it 😂

[@ImCliffordToday]

@@darrentaylordigital did I ever say anything about the advice being “harmful”? All I was trying to say is that when I was looking for help from those kinds of videos, I was more concerned with numbers rather than being creative. That’s more on me than it is on them. Also, based on your interactions with me and MasterEth, you come off as very condescending and rude

[@Lanooski]

damn miffed that i didn't catch this video when it came out. it's cleanly edited and has an engaging flow, and i really appreciate you informing the overall piece with how these videos effected you as a consumer. solid work dude!

[@MasterEth]

Although this video has been out for like a year, I appreciate the nice comment. This video got alot of hate comments lol

[@EpicDIZ]

I dunno man. I followed a lot of these guys free stuff and it’s helped me go from 0-35k in 3 months and be monetized. Notably Roberto and Filmbooth and Derrall Eaves.

[@MasterEth]

So you're the only one lol

[@MilbrathTube]

Me too. I'm obviously not posting on my main channel due to my brand deals, but I've learned so much from a few of these guys. I owe my success to them and I'm happy to defend them because of it.

[@Beesechurger_73]

KZbin is a business. KZbin consultants run businesses. You either want to make money, or you don't. I can sympathize with your position in some regard, but this is an L take. Of course success is a numbers game. Statistically only a small amount of creators will be successful, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. What you're failing to consider here is the differences in niches. Some creators have more marketing ability for certain kinds of products at just 10k subs, or even 5k subs depending on their demographics and other factors. Lots of things KZbin consultants teach can be utilized in those cases. This video sounds like an angry rant from someone who has been failing at KZbin for a long time, and wants something impossible the platform doesn't offer. Success without hard work. It took me 12 fucking years to get a Gold Playbutton dude. 12 years. That's a long time to work on something, but now it's my job and it was worth all the struggles. Think, say, do what you want, but KZbin isn't going to change for you or anyone else. It is what it is. You don't have to like it, but you either play the game, or you don't. Nothing else will change.

[@MasterEth]

So my own personal opinion is an L take? Lol I'm not quitting youtube, and I know that youtube is this massive beast that won't bend to my every wish like obviously. The whole point is these advice channels take advantage of people for their own financial gain, while the people paying are not guaranteed success, literally said this in the video my guy

[@Beesechurger_73]

@@MasterEth That's how free markets work. You can choose to engage with people who have knowledge about increasing revenue types/streams, or you can choose not to. No one is putting a gun to your head. It isn't predatory. They aren't hiding some secret motive. Of course they need to make money to grow their own business and capitalize on the market. This is common sense. It's fine you don't like it. It's fine you won't engage with it. Those are your choices. As a consumer you have the purchasing power. This is like business 101 homie. Not rocket science. All this video does is prey on people's frustration with a system they need more time to learn about to understand. Either treat KZbin like a job, or don't. One raises the odds of success, and the other doesn't. Simple.

[@MasterEth]

I just don’t like the attitude of people taking these channels advice like they are the gods of youtube and that oh if you follow every single thing they say as gospel then you'll become famous, when that's not how these things work.

[@Beesechurger_73]

@@MasterEth I agree. Humble takes and the willingness to learn is always the better approach. I want to reiterate, even if we disagree, I can still appreciate you standing up for what your passionate about and I can sympathize with your take. I wish things were different sometimes too, but I always have to roll-up my sleeves and get over it if I want to see success. I think these channels do offer good advice for people who want to make businesses, but outside of that they aren't useful to anyone else.

[@CoconutPete]

I don't disagree with your take on how hard it takes to succeed on KZbin but how many (if any) of the gurus that are the subject of this video will mention that it may take you 12 years to succeed? None of them as I've watched every one of them. They all use the same tactic. Get people all excited about doing KZbin full time and then sucker them into buying a course. If they were a little more transparent about the reality of making it on KZbin, I'd give them a pass. But some of these clowns need a reality check for exploiting people (especially during a poor economy)

[@GrowYourHomesteadWithAngie]

Ok first. Full transparency, I bought think media book and Derral Eves book. And I’m going to Vidsummit but won a ticket. Now my thoughts. I get what you are saying. But you don’t HAVE to buy a course. I’m on clubhouse and have listened to some of these “content creator coaches” speak and haven’t spent a dime. One you didn’t mention, I could text or call in a heart beat. For free. Have I been successful? Almost two years in and doing quite well. I don’t know where I would be without the help of these creators at my fingertips. Watch their content and move on. No one said you have to pay. I had the free version of VidIQ and it was alright. But I think someone new who knows nothing, those can be valuable tools. So I was with ya on some things. But to say no one has benefited from these creators is kinda false. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and letting me share mine. Good luck on your YT journey! 🤗

[@MasterEth]

I didn't say "no one benefits from these courses" it's just that most likely you will not benefit from it.

[@GrowYourHomesteadWithAngie]

@@MasterEth ok. Point taken. Maybe you should come in clubhouse sometime and listen to all the creators that hang out and spend time helping each other. It’s quite the community. And none of use charge. Just there for each other 😊

[@MasterEth]

See that I can get behind

[@GrowYourHomesteadWithAngie]

@@MasterEth Roberto is there 😉 But yes. Good group of people! It’s important to have a good support system for sure

[@TheEliottFamilyof7]

@@GrowYourHomesteadWithAngie definitely our clubhouse community is strong

[@Daniel_Batal]

What I find hugely problematic about this video is exactly what you accused KZbin channel coaches of doing...? You did yourself. You used their footage. Put them in your thumbnail. Called them out without ever reaching out and asking to speak with them for their input. All in the hopes of making a video that people would click and watch for your own edification. Congratulations. You are literally the predatory creator you purported every channel coach to be. Start with the real goal of helping other creators over a very long period of time and bring back folks who can attest to how you've helped them quit their jobs, start a new career and find success on the platform. Then make that video from a place of positivity, not negativity just for views❤

[@MasterEth]

Normally I make videos about positive subjects, this is a one-off thing for me, mostly cuz I saw a problem with the advice channel youtube ecosystem. You are literally the ONLY comment talking negatively, which tells me that you are so deep into their channels it shows. They wouldn't respond to me even if I messaged them, because they know they are in the wrong. And also, I DO help creators over a long period of time, goes to show you haven't seen my full catalog of content.

[@DanCurrier]

@@MasterEth This is rich. No matter what anyone says they are the bad people and you are the good guy 🤣

[@MasterEth]

I didn't talk about them in terms of "bad people", just people taking advantage of others for financial gain

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth What you mean is, you don't understand how the world works. You don't understand what business is. And you don't understand that KZbin is a business. Grow up, kid.

[@CarlolucaS]

Not many people have talked about this indeed. Except for Super Eypatch Wolf I've not heard anyone talk about this too much. It is also funny that we basically said the same thing by the end while approaching this from different angles.

[@MasterEth]

Super Eyepatch Wolf is the GOAT, didn’t realize he made a video on it. Which video is it?

[@CarlolucaS]

@@MasterEth It's called "Influencer Courses are Garbage: The Dark Side of Content Creation" It is fairly recent.

[@CoconutPete]

oh I gotta check that one out

[@CarlolucaS]

@@CoconutPete I made a similar video but I think the SuperEyepatchWolf one goes far far deeper into the topic.

[@CoconutPete]

checking it out...

[@HelenBradford1978]

I'm glad cc Suarez shared your video and turned me onto your channel! Thanks for the content!

[@MasterEth]

No problem! She's such a sweet boss!

[@jackporter3178]

The level of editing in this is nuts, love that you really care about your content and put a load of time into it 😀

[@MasterEth]

Thank you for noticing

[@JamesKellyStudio]

What editing? The stealing of every creators hard work and putting it in a montage 😂

[@elise12345]

Makes me nostalgic for the early days of youtube. I wish there was some way to influence the algorithm in a more meaningful way. It was so much easier then to find small creators you could connect with. Appreciate the perspective you shared!

[@MasterEth]

Hoping to bring the early days back. I'm done with numbers and the stress. New era coming this year. Working on a brand new project that I'm really excited and passionate about. Gonna go back to having fun with youtube again and not feeling bad about comparing views.

[@CoconutPete]

Just occurred to me a big flaw with all of the KZbin advice channels is none of them have other channels that have succeeded. At least it seems that way. There's a big difference from getting advice from someone like PewDiePie vs an expensive guru.

[@edgardbmedia]

I see no issue with successful content creators charging for a service. Nothin in life is free.

[@MasterEth]

The issue I have is that there isn’t any transparency

[@edgardbmedia]

@@MasterEth I get what you are saying. But there some that offer free services. Like for example Tuber Tools offer free graphic designs among others.

[@Ryan_Johnson]

Well… I see this blowing up! Great video and pacing. But I also paid for a course, and I do attribute my growth to 100K in two years to what I learned in it as well as the accountability provided

[@MasterEth]

Who's to say that you could've blown up without it? As long as you're truly aware that you were one of the lucky few who actually succeeded.

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth How's "blowing up" on your own working out for you?

[@DonnaIRL]

I wouldn't say they're a scam. I think KZbin advice channels are great for beginners who overly romanticize the artistry side of KZbin (like me), and neglect the business aspect of starting a channel. I for sure took their advice in the beginning and it's helped. There comes a point though where you have to take their basic framework and bring back your "artist" side, otherwise you get burned out and lose passion. I will say, a lot of them do get the "scammer" reputation because they will sometimes say the same things online con-artists say. They'll say, "COLLEGE IS A SCAM" and then give a list of side hustles you should do instead, one being to invest in yourself...conveniently with their course. Like bro I think the loan system is predatory too but, just tell them to go to community college then lol. Sidenote: I'm currently in a business development phase and it sucks LOL. Hoping to transition back into the art phase soon!

[@MasterEth]

Oh hey, I remember you back when you were pychirl! Been awhile! I think it's personally a more complicated problem then just a simple "scam", i think the whole problem with this is the fact that you can't promise someone they can blow up if you follow these people's advice, like sure the quality of content matters and how you market it matters, but after a certain point with these channels, you can tell that all this advice, sure it may help a little, but getting to Mr. Beast levels of sure is nearly impossible at this point.

[@CoconutPete]

The sad thing is the gurus are dependent on their audience failing. If their advice worked, they'd be broke. Some of the advice is helpful, but the important thing is anyone listening needs to become a fledgling and fly from the nest and stop depending on the crutch of the youtube advice channels. It's very easy to fall into the trap of thinking you are making progress because you're all caught up with the latest video from the 97,543 advice channels 🤣The best teacher is to simply make videos, upload, see what works and what doesn't work... then readjust your strategy if necessary.

[@MasterEth]

You get it, even more than the advice channels lol

[@MilbrathTube]

@@CoconutPete Incorrect. You have an obvious lack of understanding how many new people come onto KZbin every day and want to be creators. It's a never ending supply of new creators who need advice on how to do it correctly. Those who understand the info given to them go on to succeed. Those who don't understand, complain. You'll never ever see those who have been coached to success complaining about anything.

[@MasterEth]

Yet your talking down someone's else experience with it, failure stories and successes stories are valid like not everyone is going to succeed and not everyone is going to fail.

[@TheYazmanian]

I love that the commercial that played during this video is some 90 days to freedom scam ad lol the irony

[@MasterEth]

LOL

[@Emerrias]

Idk man, Roberto KZbin starter pack has video assets with it that would cost you $20/month on Envato 🤣

[@MasterEth]

Envato isn't a youtube advice channel.

[@ryanmcgregorr]

@@MasterEth you completely missed the point here

[@MasterEth]

Video assets are different then a paid course

[@SketchMyStory]

I disagree. The difference between getting the information for free and paying for it is how it saves time. Courses get you from A to Z in the time it takes you to get from A to C. If you value your time, you’ll buy from a authority that you’ve learned to trust. It’s hard to know what you don’t know, which makes it difficult to look for what is relevant in the free stuff. But courses can take you step by step through the common things all the most successful KZbin Channels do: value proposition, origin story, building your tribe, sacred words, best practices in designing a header, about page and trailer video etc. It probably takes 100 hours of consuming free stuff to only get 80% out of what a course can do in a quarter of the time.

[@MasterEth]

Ah yes we love made up statistics here 🙃

[@SketchMyStory]

@@MasterEth I assume you can see I was not being statistical but illustrative. 🙃So, do you disagree with the overall point?

[@MasterEth]

Like sure there's a possibility it could save time, but it's never guaranteed. You can’t sell success in the form of a youtube course, that is unless you're the one who made the course, then you're the only party that's truly benefiting from that is my point.

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth You mean, how you made up a video without any understanding about what you're really talking about?

[@MilbrathTube]

​@@MasterEth Nothing is guaranteed in life. Nothing. You get out what you put in. I'm convinced you still live at home with your parents.

[@McVincient]

You just made content out of content creators making content about making content. Jeez

[@MasterEth]

To point out the problem since no one had.

[@subversiveasset]

I thought this was an interesting video that successfully employes a lot of the click bait strategies that it then tries to decry in order to generate outrage clicks (so, mission accomplished!) As someone who is amenable to the overall message (e.g., wary of hustle culture, etc.,) I still thought that the specific examples used were not the best. While there are some advice channels that meet a lot more of the negative traits discussed in this video, I think many of the examples here don't make sense. (E.g., Roberto Blake in particular is consistently talking about the challenge and difficulty, and about setting realistic expectations given a variety of variables. He consistently differentiates between the top "echelon" of personality-based creators and the idea of a "creator middle class" and the differences between those -- consistently differentiates between the level of effort required for utility-based channels vs entertainment-based channels, etc.. So, most of these advice channels are not saying, "You can be MrBeast guaranteed if you follow these steps." There's a lot of nuance that is being elided in this video.) I think that the crux of the argument is not: "are there principles, mindsets, practices, etc., that guarantee KZbin success?" I think it's something different -- it's something more like, "Even if these things do not guarantee success, are there principles, mindset, practices, etc., that are held in common among channels that are successful?" where we can say that the advice channels believe there are such. This is a more nuanced argument to make and therefore a more nuanced argument to counter. A different way of putting it is by comparing what the alternatives imply. So, if we oversimplify the question to something like, "is success on youtube about luck or skill?" then the implications of these options is something like: if it's skill, that doesn't mean that skill always guarantees success, just that it is a prerequisite or commonality. If it's luck, then this is more fatalistic...it's a way of saying that there isn't anything anyone can do to prepare or prime the way for success, and there isn't anything we can draw in analyzing "successful channels" because nothing they *did* contributed to that. Putting it in another way, KZbin themselves keep saying "the algorithm is the audience" whereas the popular alternative belief is that the algorithm is a black box that creates winners and losers. If the former is true, then the question becomes: "what are the sorts of traits that appeal to an audience?" If the latter is true, then again, it's more fatalistic about how to appeal to a black box than how to appeal to human beings. If the former is true, then the answer of how to appeal to the audience may very well be things we don't like: e.g., humans respond to insecurity, so preying upon insecurity is a repeatable skill/technique one can employ. Voila! all of a sudden it's not "random" or "luck". The advice channels simply aren't taking that fatalistic angle. They may err in the other way...assuming too much is due to the agency and creator's control, but this shouldn't be confused with the stronger argument that success is guaranteed if x, y, and z are followed.

[@Emerrias]

Which courses did you buy and try?! 😵😵‍💫

[@MasterEth]

None, because I'm not a sucker

[@Emerrias]

@@MasterEth So you wouldn't know 🤣🤣🤣

[@MasterEth]

Wait for the follow-up video

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth Buying a course isn't a follow up video if you have no understanding of what you're doing to begin with. It just means you bought a course.

[@CoconutPete]

@@MasterEth popping popcorn

[@joepower777]

Would love to see a follow-up in which you debate with people that have opposing takes. From the comments sections, it appears there are lots. Would be entertaining and interesting/informative IMO and would give a well-rounded view of the topic.

[@MasterEth]

I'm literally working on a follow-up video right now

[@CoconutPete]

@@MasterEth if it's not too late, I have another idea/conspiracy to throw in the hat. What if these "advice channels" are literally KZbin employees. If you think about it, they almost are acting as if they are the gatekeepers. Unless you do this, this and that you won't make it. Sort of like a bouncer at a night club. The main thing that made me really question them was I noticed a few months ago they all started collaborating (almost at the same time). Which is odd if they are competing with each other as businesses. Can you imagine McDonald's collaborating with Burger King? Coke with Pepsi? Something doesn't add up.

[@CoconutPete]

Getting ready to watch this full screen! (that means you have my full attention lol) - one thing that nobody talks about are the various KZbin browser extensions such as the "IQ" one for example. If you sign up, it will continue to track your KZbin data even if you uninstall the extension. You have to manually go to Google and opt out of the tracking. All of these sad new KZbinrs using it likely have no idea these tools are basically spying on THEIR channels and sharing that info with other competitors and the company that built the tool in the first place. Please consider making a video on this topic or help spread the word.

[@MasterEth]

Dang that's scummy

[@MilbrathTube]

You have a distorted understanding of what is happening on KZbin. You just explained what KZbin does with your data.

[@CoconutPete]

@@MilbrathTube no, this is what a third party browser extension does. If you didn't believe me try it yourself

[@CoconutPete]

@@MasterEth I have saved a screenshot of the experience... I'll try to dig it up. If you have the time I recommend trying it yourself. This is a topic nobody is talking about. I think people would be shocked.

[@DanCurrier]

Wait this video is art?!

[@MasterEth]

Art is the expression of human creative skill and imagination, so technically yes.

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth Yours is art, but not the people who complain about. Got ya. Give to your Patreon, but not theirs. Good.

[@ALSoLightSkin]

I’ve seen that video of the guy talking bout the me beast clone lol good video

[@CoconutPete]

man that was a good one... full screen worthy

[@CoconutPete]

Do you have a link to the audio/video that starts around 1:42?

[@MasterEth]

It's literally in my Instagram DMs, it was a convo I had with my friends thru Instagram voice messages, his name is Mateoism and he's an amazing content creator, you could also just screen record that part too lol

[@ColleenCavolo]

KZbin advice channels ABSOLUTELY have a tie to the coaching world. Generalized advice that appeals to KZbinrs that are just getting started, then those KZbinrs learn that the most watched videos are talking about how to grow your KZbin channel. It’s like an endless cycle OR maybe a pyramid scheme?? 🤨🤨 I definitely have some YT advice channels that are helpful, BUT I easily recognize what they’re doing to get me to continue watching their videos.

[@MasterEth]

Not technically a pyramid scheme but it's definitely a shady business practice

[@DanCurrier]

It’s those other KZbinrs asking for money for their extra time… but not me and my Patreon 😂 #hypocrite - talk about a classic KZbin scam.. bash people with actual audiences to attract attention. Stay pure bro 😎

[@MasterEth]

Like I said in the video, I have no problem with youtubers having a patreon if they make quality youtube content that's genuinely unique. All youtube advice channels do are hook people into buying their courses when they can get that info for free on the internet, that's a classic scam lol

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth Somehow in your brain, Patreon and a course is different. lol I hate to break it to you, but the audience decides what is good and what is not. Nothing else. If I like someone enough to give them money for anything, that is not a scam. If I then fail to take action, as most people do, that is on me.

[@codenamexelda]

In one of my videos I said that my content was ad free, and KZbin decides to give 1 of my videos advertising, Even though I'm not getting money. It's not the money that bothers me, it's the idea that my vision and promise was thrown against the rocks...

[@MasterEth]

youtube did that awhile ago, which really sucks. Sorry to hear that.

[@codenamexelda]

@@MasterEth ironically enough, the video where I say that my videos are ad free is also the one I mention nick nimmin

[@MasterEth]

Wait really? That's crazy!

[@codenamexelda]

@@MasterEth or maybe it was filmbooth, or both?

[@MasterEth]

Probably

[@darrentaylordigital]

The problem with your video is that you didn't actually give any specific critiques. I know for example VidIQ and Roberto Blake both talk about the harsh realities of KZbin. You're painting a picture that these channels market the dream. They often say the opposite. The other issue is that you're critiquing other channels thumbnails and content when.... ya know.... you're not exactly doing well... Imagine making a hit piece without using a single quote 😂

[@MasterEth]

This isn't a hitpeice, it's a conversation starter.

[@darrentaylordigital]

@@MasterEth not really. Your video was 100% assertions with 0% evidence. Claims without receipts aren't conversation starters.

[@MasterEth]

That's because it was an opinion piece, however I have been challenged to "research more thoroughly" so I'm doing that rn 🙂

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth You can't research as a failure on the platform and have an objective opinion. That's not how it works. It will all suck to you because you have failed and you lack the basic understanding of why people succeed on KZbin. Only through failure AND success can you be truly objective. Succeed here, then do your research. You're not qualified to answer otherwise. Right now, you want to debate Kevin Durant about how to play basketball, when you yourself, can not play basketball.

[@AngeliqueStidhum]

Homie did a Roberto style thumbnail with Nick’s face 😂👊🏽👏🏽👏🏽 well done

[@BeaJumpup]

literally wish i had a video like this when i first started youtube and followed these channel's advice religiously, i genuinely think i would've gone about everything in a way healthier way than i do now

[@MasterEth]

Honestly it probably would've hurt you in the end.

[@natashaxnichole]

Why don’t you just change how you go about it now?

[@MilbrathTube]

Do you know what you'll never see? Someone who is succeeding on KZbin (or life) complaining in the manner you are. It's always people struggling who complain. Always. Looking at the channels leaving comments here that agree with you, also failing. Failing to do the very basics of what these guys teach. No one is forcing you to watch any of their videos. No one is forcing you to buy anything they sell. Yet, here you are complaining about both. Perhaps if you actually took their advice, you would do better. Looking at your channel, you're putting in minimum effort and hardly doing anything these guys teach. It's your lack of understanding that is the problem here. Nothing else. Every commenter here agreeing with you will also be struggling, because they also don't understand. NO ONE with a half way decent channel will comment here and agree with you. They will all be failures in their own way, ignoring even the basic best practices recommended by KZbin themselves. Last, welcome to being an adult and almost understanding how the free market works. Adults have to make a living. You don't want to work for free, why do you expect KZbin educators (or anyone else) to work for free? You think like a child. Perhaps you still live at home with your parents? Adults who are out there making their own way in life know better.

[@MasterEth]

I see you saw my 2 recent videos and then said my channel was "minimum effort", when I also agree that those aren't my best videos. Bet you didn't even glance at my best videos playlist

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth I found your video from twitter. Your playlists are not made correctly. "The Best Of" isn't as relevant as you think it is. What's happening on your channel TODAY? Anything not giving you views TODAY doesn't matter. Videos from 1+ years ago do not matter if they are no longer bringing in views and watch time. Again, your understanding is off. Perhaps stop complaining about this guys and go back in with a new focus to truly understand what they are teaching. You don't need to pay for anything, there's so much gold in what some of these channels way. However, there are some scammy types out there, but they are not the ones speaking at events and meeting with KZbin for hands on info. You have to know where to get the info and where to avoid.

[@JamesKellyStudio]

This response was perfect 👍

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Saying one only complains because they're failing is a false equivalency and a way to shut down critique or discussion. Its literally the Lol youre just jealous thing. You are the one being childish here. And if I were you, Id be ashamed of posting this comment.

[@MilbrathTube]

Speaking of "predatory," why are you using Roberto Blake, Gary V, Nick Nimmin, Think Media, and Vid IQ's names in your tags? You're clout chasing.

[@MasterEth]

Because the video is ABOUT them I literally talk ABOUT them I would do the same thing with literally every video I make, oh but JUST because it's negative NOW it's a bad thing huh

[@CoconutPete]

This video was much needed, especially considering how it is probably the only video on KZbin about the topic other than "The MrBeastification of KZbin" video (which is awesome btw). I've thought about this numerous times and it's definitely fair game to hear the customer side of the story for a change. We are bombarded with hundreds of "You can make it on KZbin!" videos but rarely if ever get the cold hard truth on the realities. Examples include the fantasy of how much YT actually pays once you hit 1k/4k vs reality, people stealing content, does YT favor younger/"beautiful" creators that are more appealing to brands, etc. It's a healthy debate.

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth So you used tips from youtube teachers to make this video. Got it.

[@MasterEth]

Actually no lol because I didn't buy any courses

[@TheQuietRiotProductions]

I definitely think the biggest problem is the empty promises made. I think the best thing for a creator to take a regular business course, editing, or whatever course you need outside of these creators. It would help us to better understand how to look outside the box. Some creators advice, paid or not seems so limiting.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Well, considering the comments Ive read, I think you managed to hit a nerve! I dont know... Why but yea. Also people do realise that you take clips and change them, you don't just slap other's videos down wholesale. Right? They realise that right?

[@MasterEth]

Oh yeah this topic definitely hit a nerve. And yeah I heavily edit my videos so I do like to use b-roll about things I'm talking about. I do it with literally every video I make

[@MrWrightWay]

First very good audio and editing . Imo this is a huge miss, The people you put in this video has some great FREE advice, its a choice if someone Wants to buy the course, book or whatever. I also understand not wanting being successful ( however you define it) on youtube. KZbin is HARD and we ALL know this. Also your doing the same thing for views to be honest. Anyway good luck on your channel bro.

[@MasterEth]

I'm not selling a course on how to be successful, so no, I'm not doing the same thing for views, I'm Exposing the people who are.

[@MrWrightWay]

@@MasterEth no but like a previous comment you are doing the same by using them, to get the insecure attention for yourself. You speak a lot about insecurities and such, you do a lot of blame also. Why are you upset? When I see videos like this it’s mostly the creator. You also said I your video that you listened for years, you had some successful video , but as of late it’s not, so are you upset at your current “KZbin Journey” I don’t see anything wrong with them selling a course or there knowledge. These people have a lot.. Anyway from one creator to another, be well and focus on you my friend. Be well.

[@MasterEth]

If you don't see anything wrong with them selling a course, then you've missed the point

[@MrWrightWay]

@@MasterEth no I see your opinion, i just don’t agree with it. It just makes you look bitter and a hater like so many drama channels that do it for views, instead of working on his/her craft. You got great skills man, just this was a miss, but it’s your opinion.

[@MasterEth]

I am allowed to point out problems I see in the youtube atmosphere and creator space. It's fine if you don't agree.

[@OfficiallyRonny]

Good video

[@MasterEth]

Thank you

[@chapayff]

i liked your content i agree 👍

[@MasterEth]

Thanks

[@OfficiallyRonny]

I think it’s great that you challenged these KZbin Teachers. You did a good job of criticizing, not only that, you talked about the good that this genre provided over the years. You gave me a second look to this section of KZbin. This video is not as biased many people will probably think it is. Yeah bruh I gotta subscribe to your channel. Well done king😂🙌🏾

[@MasterEth]

Thank you so much, I try my best to be objective, some may call it fence-sitting, but I call it looking at both sides.

[@beefaronibois4446]

Very good video

[@MasterEth]

Thank you

[@ThroughAGlassDarklyWithSean]

This is a fascinating video that's driving an intriguing debate. That said, the answer should be easy to determine. How about running a simple survey on your community tab. I'd do it on mine, but I'm still 50 subs shy of having a community tab. Ask 4 simple questions. For those with KZbin channels > 1 year old: 1. How many subs did you have 1 year ago? 2. Did you pay for a course since then? 3. If yes, how many subs do you have today (enter N/A, if no)? 4. If no, how many subs do you have today? If you have more than about 60 respondents (at least 30 for questions 3 and 4), you can use the paid for course boolean variable to run a regression analysis to see if it matters. Easy peasy.

[@MasterEth]

That's actually rather genuis

[@ThroughAGlassDarklyWithSean]

@@MasterEth It won't capture everything (for instance, some people don't apply what they learn after the course, so there will be some issues). That said, you could triangulate with other data in the survey, such as: if you took a course, did you apply it to your channel? Again, this will have problems. As in any endeavor, there will always be people who produce content that really does help people and there will be predatory charlatans, so you might need to limit your survey to the set of KZbinrs in the video and then ask people to self-report which one they used. And of course, you will have people who will lie. So, this wouldn't be the most academic of surveys.

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth lol Yea, you're lost. That's not genius at all. Without knowing who took real action, that poll is useless. Also (and you would know this if you paid attention), subscribers do not equal success. Success equals success. Being able to quit your job and work full time on KZbin is success. Polling people with struggling channels isn't how you collect data. Again, you should know this.

[@boooooster17]

Haha got 2 ads for this kind of youtuber

[@MasterEth]

They have become to powerful so I had to take them down a peg

[@AngeliqueStidhum]

This is a great video. Well done 👍🏽 In 4 hours it’s already out performed your most recent videos and likely due to the comments, controversy, thumbnail and topic. This is a factor that helped many creators blow up, but they didn’t do it with just one video, so they then realized they had to keep doing these type of videos to thrive. That’s Catherine Manning’s story. She wasn’t a KZbin advice channel until her video about getting monetized blew her up. Surprised you only went after male YT advice creators. In my experience, the female advice creators are much more predatory. They even cry on camera for view/engagement increases. What you did here is called “social hacking”. Paddy Galloway covered this on his video about how Airrack blew up. There IS a method for titling, and niches that perform better than others in general. If you’re on YT, it’s KZbin advice. If you’re on IG, it’s IG advice. Show me an “advice” channel that has another channel that isn’t about that platform and I’ll listen. They exist. Patt Flynn has many, Roberto also has a faceless channel, but I can’t speak for the others. I see nothing wrong with building a business on a platform, but I agree that if the “content” isn’t there, it’s predatory. Again, that’s why I shook my head that you chose these particular creators because these aren’t the ones scamming people. The predators you are looking for are out there and I could easily list 10. None of them are in this video though. Truth is, if you’d have done this and targeted the real predators, you wouldn’t have been able to leverage the “social hacking” factor. So kudos to you for the work you put in. My challenge to you: buy a few courses and report back with your thoughts. 👊🏽

[@MasterEth]

Catherine manning was originally on the list but she seemed more like a vlogger to me lol I wanted to talk from my personal experience, and I also didn't want to talk about something that I didn't know about it. I could easily make this a series since yes obviously there are THOUSANDS of advice channels that don't really help all the much, trust me, I've watched them for years. I've considered actually buying the courses, but I don't have hundreds of dollars to spend on something like that. Also many people have taken courses like that, only to come back with nothing in return, because youtube is very complicated and not easy to understand. Also I had no clue about "social hacking", I just wanted to speak on a matter I was concerned about it, since no one else was speaking on the matter

[@CoconutPete]

Lol so true about female gurus. Some of them make my stomach turn. They seem to be more natural at predatory manipulation

[@AngeliqueStidhum]

She wasn’t a vlogger when she became a KZbin growth channel. I encourage you to Do your research.

[@joepower777]

@@AngeliqueStidhum your comment was so awesome. If all the stuff you wrote in that comment was to be turned into video, I'd watch the heck out of that video! IDK that comment just sounds likes something that would a banger video/video content

[@AngeliqueStidhum]

Thanks Joe, I’d made a similar video before and decided not to post it. It’s everywhere, not just KZbin. It’s just disappointing that he chose to target 🎯 the wrong people here vs exposing the real scammers and people intentionally misleading what I call “newtubers”.

[@MrBaalin]

I've been taken for a ride on many things, so I totally am not preaching this but I had an interesting experience: Someone really close to me was confused as I had been doing youtube for a decade and recommended me Gary Vee, and I ask for THEIR explanation of the person (Helps you figure out why they feel the need to mention this person), then I gave a listen to one of Vee's table talks with someone who was doing a 1-on-1 consulting and IMO you have to look for "Someone who talks a lot, but doesn't give definitives" ... otherwise I just call them a "word talker", saying lots of things, but with no substance or direction. "You know in these days with how SATURATED the market is, we move on to find NEW THINGS, so being UNIQUE, brings UNIQUE PEOPLE and they want to grow with you, so put YOUR content into those peoples face, get them to become your loudest cheerleader" Did I say anything of use, or a bunch of nonsense only designed to make you fill in the blanks like a mad-lib

[@MasterEth]

They do like to use lots of big words to make them sound smart, so makes sense

[@danielellis6327]

good video all those videos are just bad

[@MasterEth]

Lol

[@thegnarledpirate9198]

*HOW TO GET ONE MILLION SUBSCRIBERS!* The channel has 1k subscribers.

[@Pupppeteer]

2:49 😂 I know those guys

[@MasterEth]

Thank you for always creating quality content

[@Pupppeteer]

I really can't stand the advice channels who don't just be 100% honest and admit KZbin success is exactly like the lottery (or fertilizing an egg 😂)...or winning the lottery and doing a Mr beast. While I'm here talking about Mr beast. There's a video he made recently about surviving a plane crash and sorry but is this really what people consider content. After he dropped the plane in the intro the content was just a few of the top creators putting minimal effort into "surviving on a deserted island" and making what could have been an extremely interesting concept.

[@MasterEth]

That's my thing, they always tow the line on the "advice" they give just to get people the want of something more which is why people buy their courses. Also I've always been on the fence with Mr beast and keep going back and forth as to if I actually like him. Like he made unique content, even tho it was mostly based on money so I didn't care for it, but his newer era he's in with actually creating these huge sets is actually quite impressive, even tho it's not content I would personally watch. I also don't like the Mr beast clones lol

[@Pupppeteer]

@@MasterEth signing up to some random guys advice page where he's like "you need to make sure your videos rank high" lol. If they gave tutorials on editing and graphics I mean sure that's worth money. I feel like this move to click bait and extravagant content will make viewers more shallow. I agree though the stuff with huge sets and doing things we would love to is impressive no denying.

[@MasterEth]

Honestly that's very true, on both accounts

[@CoconutPete]

amen! If KZbin were so easy, they would be focusing on a regular channel instead of luring people into their funnel so they can sell courses. It's the same old same old.... more profitable to sell shovels than it is to dig for gold. I've been on the Internet since the 90's and can tell you one thing for sure. The more "gurus" there are out there selling courses the more saturated a market is and on top of that the more unlikely it will be to succeed with a platform/system. It really annoys me when these people use MrBeast as an example... selling the fantasy that you can strike it rich overnight. They never mention that it took years and hundreds of videos for MrBeast to gain momentum, but more importantly is the TIMING of when MrBeast started. He started before KZbin blew up.... if he followed the same path now he might not make it.

[@MilbrathTube]

It's not about luck. It's about effort and understanding. "It's all luck" is what people say when they fail at something.

[@cvatvbizarreadventure]

Good

[@MasterEth]

Fr fr

[@JamesKellyStudio]

I simply have to defend Film Booth. Ed is different from the rest. He eats and sleeps KZbin research and ideas. And I know this because I have been working on his channel now for ten weeks. You have no idea how many hours, days, weeks we put into our video creations, and having just seen 20 students complete his 10 week course I know they would vouch for him too. He is on the Discord full time with the students, offering business advice, thumbnail feedback, title observations, and genuinely being there for anyone that took the course. He is providing so much valuable free content on the channel, if followed properly will help to grow your channel without spending a penny. But the paid course is where you go if you're serious about KZbin as a business. Having witnessed the ten week course, it really is for the one's who want to make this a real career, and not just a hobby with a little bit of ad revenue. I won't be going in to any detail from the course as that simply is not fair, but you have to know it is more than just making money for the business. At least you gave him credit for being entertaining, this is something we really try to push in each video, and one of the reasons I am now part of the team. But I can't give any real feedback on the other creators, but I know Nick Nimmin and Think Media have been around since before KZbin was a serious thing and they deserve to sell their advice they have gathered from over the years. But the fact you didn't even know that Vid IQ was a plugin for KZbin channels which costs a monthly fee just makes this whole video feel like you haven't done your research and have no proof that the courses are not worth any investment. You want a success story? All you have to do is watch Film Booth's latest video!

[@MasterEth]

Ah so I'm only serious about KZbin as a business if I give him money lol

[@JamesKellyStudio]

@@MasterEth Why would the course that he has built from scratch with his own research time and effort which takes 10 weeks to complete with student assignments be given away for free. As mentioned, you can learn a lot by just watching the channel where all the free advice is and it will get you far, but if you are 'serious' you would pay for more deep advice and knowledge. Your expectation for free stuff would put a lot of people out of business. You can learn a lot of exercises on KZbin for free, but you wont get a personal trainer offering one on one guidance for free would you. I think we all know you're just frustrated with your own channel and you and your friends are just lashing out because it hasn't worked out for you. KZbin is one of the hardest jobs to make it a career, we all know that, and it is made clear from all these advice channels that you should NOT be doing it for a get rich quick scheme. But every channel has the potential to become big, it may take a decade, but if you really want it to happen then you'd probably want to invest in help no?

[@MilbrathTube]

@@MasterEth If that's your take away, you are indeed the problem here. Life is going to eat you up and spit you out with your victim mentality.

[@pineapplepapercrafts]

@@JamesKellyStudio so this guy has teaching and course building credentials to be selling and creating course?

[@JamesKellyStudio]

@@pineapplepapercrafts what actual credentials would you like him to have? A diploma in teaching KZbin? Sorry, don’t think that actually exists yet. Probably will in a few years though 🤣 I’m currently on my way home from a long day of filming for a new course. 3 guys, all professionals, weeks of planning, research and scripting, and there is still another day at least to shoot and then all the editing of the course. Tell me which part of this work would you like to see for free? Courses literally cost thousands to make, in time, staff, and packaging it all up into an actual product. I think it’s fair to say course creators have to charge for the premium stuff as much as they’d love to give it away all for free.

[@masoudpezeshkzade8456]

I disagree with you, I taught a lot of things from these channels specially vidiq and filmbooth. I have one piece of advice for you. If you don't get anything out of their content, you can learn a lot of things by following their techniques like their thumbnail design, the way that they send viewers to the next videos(end screens), using viral topics to grow, etc... to grow your youtube channel, and no need to buy their paid course if you think they are a scam! Although, if you pay attention to their content, you will also find some good free advice as well. You can check their videos comments to see how many people benefited from these videos and got results! It is okay if they have paid courses as most of them are in this business for several years and they are not forced to publish every skill that they gained as free! Don't be unfair! I hope your intention for making this video was not about making a drama and getting a lot of views based on false disclosure!

[@MasterEth]

My intention with this video was to start a conversation about consumer awareness and protection, and for these channels to be way more transparent than they are.

[@NoNameNumberTwo]

Please make a Gary Vee video.