"The Premier League have won" | Kaveh Solhekol discusses the sponsorship rules vote

[@-VForValhalla-]

I have seen enough! 10 points deduction to Everton. $1 million fine to Nottingham Forest and red card to Arsenal.

[@TrapSection]

ha ha

[@AbCd-lw5vs]

Arsenal earn their red cards and they’ve only themselves to blame. Everton on the other hand get pissed on and can’t do anything about it since their not a big club anymore

[@joemarron5515]

@@AbCd-lw5vs 2 of em werent fair.

[@115ffpfcandthephantomtreble]

@@AbCd-lw5vs😂3rd most successful English team in England determine that is a lie😂 🥩 riding ucl means very little to me

[@mosestsarai8565]

​@@115ffpfcandthephantomtreble fair enough, you can't ride on UCL, you don't have any!! To be an Arsenal fan means you have no idea how it feels like winning The " Big Eared One" ..... I feel your pain!

[@rickster5120]

When Sky are not trying to push their pro PGMOL propaganda they allow comments ..

[@siatha_lee3793]

How far with Manchester City 115+ charges???

[@AzayzaYiseverywhere]

Man city and Barcelona have paid the refs it’s obvious they are true football giants

[@EL2007_7]

prob about a year

[@robertmclellan3658]

Getting thrown out

[@adam_p99]

Results expected in March

[@TattedGinger.88]

Manchester City owners now know the face of those they can pay off or wack 🤣

[@MrLove717]

Aston Villa is one of those clubs so be on the look out 😂

[@Dermot88886g]

city dragging out the charges until 2026, thats why pep signed. Disgusting.

[@FaroukAdeyeye]

I'm sorry, you're just showing off your lack of knowledge regarding this case

[@mrfro35]

Brainwashed

[@4857i]

The premier league have proven they could just make a few amendments clearly. Man city were wrong and didnt win the case like they said

[@Blobonator8000]

Or maybe this is a direct result of a league governing itself. The premier league wouldn't even wait for clarification from the panel about which bits of the rules were unlawful and needed to be changed, they just did whatever they wanted and voted it through. High chance the rules are still unlawful and city will take them to court once again. The premier league are morons

[@CANOES-in3do]

But the new ammendment might not be legal that why some clubs asked to wait, I hope this mean club can't just give free interest loans out it a cover up as Arsenal and Chelsea have used ti's loop hole

[@mrfro35]

The premier league have proven their incompetence multiple times over the last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if these rules are still going down to be unlawful and need changing again.

[@mattieharris3747]

The fa are allowed to fix the rules that weren't fit for purpose. Whiles city still breaking the rules.

[@chrischristian3805]

Name a single rule “broken”. Just one single rule. Please…enlighten us all and make certain you submit your evidence and your lawyer license #.

[@jkk4579]

​@@chrischristian3805 I think he is talking about the 115 + charges which man city will go on losing 100 of them and be relegated

[@robertmclellan3658]

Absolutely nothing to do with the FA it’s the hapless Premier League.

[@robertmclellan3658]

@@jkk4579Stop talking drivel

[@albertbrammer9263]

The Premier League is in effect a private members club. Why should Man City be able to say such rules are against the law? Just kick Man City out of the Premier League.

[@RAC345]

If they hate the league so much they should leave

[@jamesdshannon99]

When there is a cancer present you gotta get rid of it

[@TristanSpow]

Can’t have anything that’s against the law of the land pal 😂😂🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@flouf-p2j]

@@jamesdshannon99cant believe im agreeing with liverpool fans

[@beard6160]

They didn't the law does

[@John-N2024]

She kept saying" okay,... Okay... Okay" very annoying. I counted 15 okays 😂😂😂

[@stimp3605]

FFP needs to be rethinked. The whole thing is just protectionism from the red cartel. They should introduce a spend cap that is the same for everyone or make it based on sporting merit and actually make these rules fair!!!

[@mattieharris3747]

That's what ffp is clubs have to spend within their means the money the club or clubs make they have to spend within that. Say man united made say 500 million they have to spend less of that money if they went over that they get penalized for it.

[@El_Descarriado]

It is based on sporting merit. These clubs got wealthy off the back of years of success. What the actual cartel of Man City, Aston Villa, Newcastle and Nottingham Forest - owned by despotic oil states, gangsters and other such bad actors - want, is the ability to pump as much dirty money as they like after buying success quickly. They don't care about competition at all. Any ruling against these evil clubs is a win for football.

[@Bert-lw1ot]

It reeks of the big boys pulling the ladder up behind them

[@stimp3605]

​@conallfarquhar8069 Obviously that's not what FFP is, FFP is there to protect the establishment, nothing to do with being fair.

[@stimp3605]

​@@mattieharris3747 That's not what it does at all, if an owner puts the money up, it's within the clubs means, if it was there to protect the clubs, they would stop them borrowing beyond their means, not stop investment.

[@chrisbaker1207]

Typical City trying to make it as easy as possible to be successfull. Roll on the 115 charges and punishment for cheating.

[@yoonyulntaeny]

It's like an older brother saying "you're not allowed to eat ice cream", then they check with mum who says "he is allowed to eat ice cream", then the older brother says "oh ok, you can eat ice cream but not more than 1 scoop and only once a month". This is literally going straight back to court, so stupid

[@chimp72]

And just like that Man City takes the premier league back to arbitration!

[@matthewbaker2573]

They can't do that 🤦‍♂️😂😂

[@TristanSpow]

@@matthewbaker2573they clearly can and they have said that it’s a very real possibility they will do so

[@matthewbaker2573]

@@TristanSpow no they can't, which is why they tried to drag this out for longer and wrote to other clubs in an attempt to get them on side against the changes

[@TristanSpow]

@@matthewbaker2573 why can’t they challenge the premier on legal grounds? They have no say over the court pal 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@matthewbaker2573]

@@TristanSpow what legal grounds? these are terms and conditions to play in the league. City brought up 27 different parts of it, including playing the race card. only 2 of them were deemed unlawful, which have since been corrected and agreed upon today. or are city now going to take tribunal to court which deemed only those 2 parts unlawful

[@adrianbennett3761]

Are the new rules lawful or will they simply be challenged again in due course?

[@ChunkedIt]

Why does Kaveh ignore the fact that the vote might not mean anything? The PL also “won” the original vote on this and were then found to be implementing unlawful rules. City simply wanted to wait to see if the amendments are still unlawful but the PL in their infinite wisdom, have decided to press ahead without clarification from the independent commission. This “PL victory” might all fall apart in a matter of days.

[@matthewbaker2573]

You have absolutely no clue on what you are talking about. City brought up 27 claims against the Premier league, including playing the race card. After full investigation, it was deemed 2 of those things brought up needed to be corrected which the league said they can sort out quickly and put it to vote. City have then cried about sorting these issues quickly, wanting more time, then sent letters to every other club begging the other teams to be on their side. 16 of the 20 gave them the 🖕 Bet they do their best to drag out their court proceedings too

[@CHILLIFLAMES]

The commission told the league which amendments needed changing. The leagues legal experts who im sure know more than you, then changed the amendments in question. 16 of the clubs had no problem with the amendments made and it was all sorted in 30 minutes. The commission said apt rules were needed and two needed changing, its been done.

[@NeilLewis77]

then again it will probably stick. the idea that man city should just be allowed to spend however much money they want will continually come up against efforts to control them. god forbid we end up like the french league but thats where city are taking us.

[@ChunkedIt]

@@CHILLIFLAMESWith all due respect, the leagues “legal experts” keep getting their asses handed to them. They allowed the PL to try and implement unlawful rules and this came just weeks after the Leicester legal team ripped them a new one, so yes, of course they know more than me but they are clearly not infallible. There was nothing to be gained from holding the vote today and everything to lose. They could have waited for the IC to give their final judgement (remember, both the PL and City agreed that they would go to the IC for clarification) and if it is as they want/expect, held the vote at that point. As for the 16-4 vote, clubs will always look out for themselves and vote for whatever is a preferred outcome on any given day.

[@GaryMills-ku3rv]

How have the pl won ? If the pl had won why change the rules ? Why change the rules before the IC release its recommendations ?

[@Roserytemptation]

It’s not complicated at all.

[@steven-i6j]

City will take this all the way until they win. Premier League will be forced to throw out all rules around owners putting their own money into the clubs they own and then city, chelsea, newcastle will be free to spend as much as they want.

[@albertbrammer9263]

And will not be allowed to play in Europe. To other teams that would be great. Man City can take UEFA to court, but UEFA decide who plays in their tournaments, not the Premier League.

[@NeilLewis77]

how? it doesnt matter how much they spend on lawyers, arab oil despots do not decide the rules of english football.

[@steven-i6j]

@@albertbrammer9263 yes but the argument of city is that the premier league and uefa are breaking the european rule's of how business are allowed to run and uefa won't do anything because of the super league. the threat is always there. PSG, Chelsea, City, Barca, Madrid should all be banned from any european league for 10 years but uefa won't ban anybody now.

[@stuartgolby9767]

If that happened City and Chelsea would go bust trying to financially compete with Newcastle it would be hilarious

[@tam8197]

Euro League here we go.....

[@matthewbaker2573]

Have fun playing with yourself 👋

[@tam8197]

@@matthewbaker2573 oh no, you get me wrong. my team isn't or ever will be in it. but the euro league hasnt gone away, it's still going to happen and unless the gov go full fash there is nothing we can do about it. money talks, rhetoric walks.

[@manuelrodriguez2637]

​@@tam8197 It's inevitable... Too many clubs have outgrown the Leagues their in, including the Premier League

[@cyprian-o7p]

How come no media has mentioned that City would have had to agree with the original APT then and why they are throwing toys out of the pram now?

[@saran79]

Waiting to see guardiola running around corners of England in league 2 with Man city

[@methik38]

Is this good or bad for Newcastle

[@manuelrodriguez2637]

It's bad... They can't build as quickly as Man City did.. gonna take them decades

[@briancook1487]

Tbh Newcastle not done anything wrong yet

[@manuelrodriguez2637]

@@briancook1487 Coz they have to play by rules now... FFP in Europe & now in domestic Leagues

[@Robert-i4g]

So basically man city alone can hold this league hostage😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂....................................

[@NeilLewis77]

no, they have just been rejected by 16 other teams. they are spending millions on lawyers to be allowed to do what psg do and its not working lol.

[@ianspencer9142]

I thought this guy was an expert? Directors loans included the severe restrictions added in February removed exactly what city wanted. Expect further legal challenges

[@ynwa73]

If you cook the books for over a decade you deserve the harshest punishment possible. Would anyone be surprised if they still cooked the books from 2020 to now

[@robfielding100]

Will CITY let this lie … I hope they continue their fight.

[@TheKnowledgeSourceTV]

Mancity is a state sponsored club. they've everything to challenge the premiership. It's the premier league against a giant Arab country. It's a disaster!

[@adam_p99]

1. Who were the other 3 clubs to vote against this? Why not mention them?! 2. The other investigation is absolutely nothing to do with this case. I’m not a city fan but this seems like a bit anti-city.

[@CANOES-in3do]

Isn't there a tribunal on Monday so the vote won't mean anything

[@marlier7272]

As long as it becomes more fair for Football

[@BonniDintwa]

I feel terrible for Newcastle fans, as soon as they were bought by wealthy owners, the premier league all of a sudden are doing this, yet Chelsea under Abramovich won by spending unchecked and UTD for years spent unchecked, followed most recently by city

[@adam_p99]

They can still push on with big budget spending… just a little bit slower.

[@BonniDintwa]

@adam_p99 true, but every season they wait, is another opportunity lost

[@cantripleplays]

Utd spent but they earned more than what they spent in the years before ffp

[@mesiroy1234]

Owner money isnt the problem! Its qatr sponsor, Like our half london is burned by qatri and sudi, , , ETIHAD ECT

[@mattdawson3017]

United have always spent what we earned.

[@TheKnowledgeSourceTV]

When are they going to desl with their 115 charges?

[@Qwerstu1982]

So, let me get this right...other clubs break the rules and are immediately punished. Manchester city dont like it, take the prem to court, then the prem change the rules. City will get away with this.

[@TheKnowledgeSourceTV]

They should be shut down. Abide by the rules or leave.

[@stevehenry2704]

Clear Premier League victory!

[@lawrenceottih]

Both the premier league and City are wrong. The premier league, especially. Give other clubs the chance to grow and compete. Instead of telling each club how much they can spend, create an equal spending for every club, regardless of winnings. You can say, no club can spend above let's say £1m. Now, it's up to individual clubs to decode how much they want to spend as long as it's below the cap. But to tell ome clun they can't spend passed 300million, but another club can spend up to 1 billion, is a fool's games.

[@alvintan8386]

Just kick Man City out!

[@killerrabitofcaerbannog]

Won't this be challenged in courts/arbitration? Is it really a victory?

[@matthewbaker2573]

No 🤦‍♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@archivalhorror]

The Prem didn't win. The Cartel did.

[@football_fan_247]

All the virtue signaller goody two shoes fans saying this is good even though it promotes anti competitiveness in the league by protecting the cartel clubs and not allowing other teams lower down to compete through sponsorship I’m not a city fan but it’s hilarious how some fans act like they have morals they don’t really care about what’s good for the league there only bothered when it benefits them

[@benedictojougboh9091]

Do you even know what APT rules are? If there are no APT rules Newcastle will win the premier league for 100 years in a row. Then that becomes competitive ryt? Newcastle owner are richer then all premier league owners combined.They are other ways to pump money into a club that FFP can't affect. stadium and training ground revenue. Ok Imagine if the Qataris own Man united what do you think will happen then football will be dead then. If not City's FFP charges and breaches you think they will win 4 in a row at least we even had Leicester that won the league. Newcastle can sponsor their club for 1 billion a week and pay their least player€10million ala week

[@phodge9985]

how is levelling the playing field anti competitiveness?

[@jamesfretwell1511]

​@@benedictojougboh9091So this is all about the fear of one clubs ability to challange? Thats crazy, and is also wrong in so many ways, and its hampering all the clubs outside of the (so called top 6) not just Newcastle. The premier league have already been took apart in court over how these rules arent fit for purpose, so a season down the line we will be straight back to square one when another team takes them to court over it. The premier league are clueless, and they get told what to do by the powerful clubs that have got to were they are because of spending big on players. Im guessing you support one of the clubs previously mentioned, because they are the only ones who benefit from these rules.

[@davidjohncook5767]

@@benedictojougboh9091 currently anti competitive to protect the red cartel from other clubs challenging them and using their influence to bully other clubs to go with them.

[@Youngbuck83]

​@@benedictojougboh9091The Saudi PIF is an investment fund, at some point in time they intend to sell the club for profit.

[@tidyyy]

you guys do incredible work with an absolute nothing-burger

[@FreeEagle-zh7js]

In a case like this, the league is more important than my club, the integrity of the league should not be tarnished, in fact, by protecting the league, we are actually protecting the clubs, and not just the current ones, but also the ones that fight yearly to be promoted to it.. This case is extremely critical, if City should have its way, the entire foundation and legacy of the league will be destroyed, the Premier league would no longer be the most competitive and entertaining league in the world, because every year, there would just be one or two teams winning it, which City has been doing for so long now, so can you imagine if they should allow to spend as they wish? City could have a poor season while the other clubs have their best season yet, and they still end up winning the league.. I think we all know that it's only a matter of time before they regain their form this season, and once they do, who will be able to stop them? If City should win this case, not only the PL will be impacted, but the other divisions.. And the other clubs are agreeing with City are a bunch of headless chickens, because even though they might get the chance to spend as they please by whichever source, they still wouldn't be able to outspend City, they still wouldn't be able to compete with City furthermore to surpass them.. A small club like City is now challenging the PL, how did this happen? 😂.. The league is in danger, that's all i know..

[@amitk4878]

What about Bayern Munich winning for 11 consecutive times?

[@football_fan_247]

Another virtue signaller pretending he has morals 🥱

[@tvgcmma9215]

If Man City don’t like the roles they’re free to leave prem league know1 is forcing them to stay in it

[@AmbiguousMrE]

I actually see a Superleague rearing its ugly head again!

[@NeilLewis77]

liverpool are currently top of the super league. 32 teams. just look at that table. uefa have already created a super league. theres absolutely no need for one new one anymore.

[@AmbiguousMrE]

@NeilLewis77 I agree, in part, but I think the oil rich owners have an idea of what a Superleague is going to look like. Pin this comment, as in five years time the Arab states will own football.

[@stevehenry2704]

Some rules! 2 out of 25 biased reporting.

[@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556]

If you want teams to be more competitive you need to have a salary cap like the NHL does.

[@davidjohncook5767]

as usual sky following the red cartel remit. what about the existing owner loans that were published, surely this outstanding debt is not fair market value and now has to be charged at an interest rate that will impact on psr for those clubs?

[@michaelhalliday-qc1fg]

They can still be null and void. If the independent panel find these illegal.

[@iufdkgjkn]

Jagen das ist meine wurst

[@kleec495]

Wait so City want to prevent the owners from injecting money directly to their clubs, but having extremely inflated sponsorship deal from an owner associated company is totally fine?

[@stimp3605]

No they don't care about the loans, they did it to highlight the hypocrisy.

[@BaneleFrank]

Manchester city should be punished, and I am not even a fan of any club in the premier league. trophies should be won fair and square.

[@MRCL-190]

For what. You can’t just punish people because there are accusations. Do you not know how the law and judicial process works. You clown.

[@free7816]

What City trophies were not won fair

[@BaneleFrank]

@@MRCL-190 if you know the rules and how small city is you wont be arguing with me. where do you think they got the money to buy all these expensive players? I bet, they cant even make 50 million from shirt sales. they want to win things by breaking the laws. you clown

[@MRCL-190]

@ incorrect. They wanted to speed up the process. By allegedly inflating sponsorship deals. They have the money. FFP meant they could not spend money that already have. They paid Mancini through a separate company. City have had money since 2008. It’s essentially like my father being a billionaire but not being able to give me money. No one cares when Chelsea spent millions or where that money came from. Everyone is literally just angry because City are so good.

[@BaneleFrank]

@@MRCL-190 Manchester city as a person they dont have enough money bro to buy all these expensive players, the money is coming from their owners. the rules say that a club can only buy players using the money from its operations...

[@jonathanward7320]

This wasn’t a victory for the Premier League, this was a victory for Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs. Because now they have the free reign to never be challenged by an outsider again. The top of the premier league is theirs. Newcastle and Villa are never going to break into the top table. Well done

[@whh3946]

Hyperbole, you can break in, but you cannot do it with unregulated financial doping, keep crying

[@precious-5016]

Yes you can do without doing it like City

[@jonathanward7320]

@ You must have skipped over the part when it was said this was unlawful.

[@QTC1688]

People think that the “big 6” clubs got where they are due to a raffle or something. Besides Chelsea and city, the big clubs got to where they are through nearly a century of winning and good financial management. There is no league in the world that doesn’t have traditionally bigger wealthier clubs.

[@jonathanward7320]

@@precious-5016 No you can’t, look at a club like Newcastle, they have the richest owners in world football, and they have to sell players like Elliot Anderson and Yankuba Minteh to avoid a points deduction. They can’t spend money to compete with the biggest teams in the league. All the while you have clubs like Chelsea who are selling hotels to themselves to get around a PSR issue. Imagine if Newcastle had done that, it would be front and back pages for days.

[@SuperTehri]

Seems like shitty run the league

[@stevehenry2704]

Bye bye

[@Ian-pi3nd]

Useless slow sports

[@El_Descarriado]

Football's always the winner, Kaveh.

[@joggerke5295]

loans without interest that calls cheating

[@scottwithe3946]

Associated third party, in other words, money laundering

[@NeilLewis77]

its not that city want to launder their money. its that they want to be able to just do what psg do and outspend every other team but about times as much and win pretty much every single trophy. the french league sucks and man city are determined to make ours suck too.

[@jkk4579]

The cheaters Man city

[@gc11457]

top 6 to win everything for the next 50yrs…CARTEL

[@midweekmike]

Man City ain't going to get punished are they🫤