The PROBLEM with a GROUNDED Batman

[@Alf-gm7tf]

I wish films would take inspiration from the Arkham games, which is both dark and gritty but also isn’t afraid to use the more fantastical members of his rogues gallery.

[@Jack_Marstonn]

arkham games are so peak im currently platinuming arkham asylum

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Ive seen poeple say that the arkham games are grounded like wtf no they arent

[@inendlesspain4724]

The Arkham series is my favorite iteration of Batman to any audiovisual medium. That series simply _gets_ Batman, and doesn't try to subvert him or anything while still doing its own thing with the character.

[@Revice10-Orb7]

​@@MILDMONSTER1234 Are those "people" in the room with us rn? Or are you just yelling at clouds here?

[@arunabhmahanta]

“bUut those are vidya gaems!” ^I assume that’s what these Hollywood movie directors will think of that pitch, same goes for comic books. “only kids read kamic books!” ^These Hollywood elites have a very narrow mind, thinking only a scriptwriter can create great stories to tell. They think of mediums like Video games and Comic books as lowly forms of art. That’s why we have Matt Reeves stealing from David Fincher’s two great movies ‘Se7en’ and ‘Zodiac’ to create ‘The Batman’. He was ashamed of Batman using his cape to glide, he was ashamed of The Penguin’s real name. He transformed The Riddler into a Zodiac Killer knock-off. Same goes for Todd Phillips, he stole from Martin Scorsese’s ‘Taxi Driver’ and ‘The King of Comedy’ to create The Joker (2019).

[@Alf-gm7tf]

Give me killer croc, clayface, poison ivy, mr freeze, man-bat and comic accurate Ra’s al ghul.

[@Kalel2.0]

Right also give me Bats outsmarting everyone,knows every martial art known to man,beats the shit out of goons and throws them on the other side of the room and adopted 4 boys(One of whom is his bio son) and taught them how to fight like Soldiers but also from a place of love😂

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

​@@Kalel2.0Well, yes, give me all of that as well as the man who is a STEM master.

[@BusterBarnes]

Amd comic accurate Bane 🔥

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

poison ivy is a hero now so

[@nicholashodges201]

​@@BusterBarnescomic accurate *anybody* would be nice

[@Astartes-6969]

Idk why no one does a mix of a Grounded Batman and a Fantastical Batman. Start off as him fighting Mobsters and Insane Criminals then little by little introduce Meta Human, Supernatural Villains, and Aliens.

[@lordraiden7397]

That's how the comics progressed with the long Halloween. Wished they went with that approach

[@91MoonKnight]

We had that with Ben Affleck's Batman

[@Astartes-6969]

​@@91MoonKnight No it didn't. It literally began with Batman V Superman with him fighting a super powered Alien. Batfleck was visually great as an adaptation but writing and Character wise, his version of Batman was ass.

[@Astartes-6969]

​@@lordraiden7397 God we need to become Millionaires so we can make proper adaptations of the stuff we love man.....

[@callmejacob3234]

Just give us Arkham Batman in live action.

[@gentlesavage2068]

It's annoying that these hollywood directors are so ashamed of the more fantastical aspects of these characters

[@nalday2534]

All you get these days is CGI slop. What are you even talking about

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yeah, they don't respect the character or his history.

[@matane2465]

​@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Film makers have rarely respected comic books and have often been embarrassed they were making a comic book movie. They do all kinds of things like changing the characters costumes to make them more realistic, see all the black leather of early 2000's movies. Or changing characters lore to do away with the more fantastic elements.

[@Axel-ye8tt]

@@matane2465they did respect it by making Batman journey. Well written comics are too Inconsistent

[@marygonzalez2472]

Tell me about it. Say that to Roland Emmerich and that iguana he wanted us to believe was Godzilla.

[@C.R.Cole331]

Grounded Batman really limits his storytelling and rogue's he can go up against

[@inendlesspain4724]

B-but you don't get it, these directors are making reeeeeal art, not childish stories for little kids. /s

[@anakinskywalker2142]

The batman is the first batman movie where he doesn't fight any of his villains and even if he did in the sequels what would they do? He wears a literal plot armor

[@anakinskywalker2142]

@@C.R.Cole331 all he did was chase penguin, grab falcone and his only challenge was a group of riddler redditors with guns 💀. But i hope the third movie has him being hunted by the court of owls, like he gets goons and that but once the owls appear and they are very much like him that is gonna go big.

[@anakinskywalker2142]

@@inendlesspain4724 all they do is take crime stuff and have a guy dressed like a bat. Seven, the zodiac killer, the sopranos, the king of comedy, taxi driver, new york new york. The penguin is literally a copy of tony soprano but with a weird feet and scars, they even took away his british accent to do an italian one.

[@stimswwolf7867]

@@anakinskywalker2142it’s almost like the film wanted to show he wasn’t perfect as he is new to being Batman. How are you gonna expect him to fight villains when they aren’t even established yet into the story. The Batman is a introduction to a whole saga, you just gotta give it time

[@mlgodzilla4206]

The first mistake is believing that a guy wearing a bat suit was somehow grounded

[@from2100]

& that's after him being a billionaire w a heart of gold

[@mlgodzilla4206]

@@from2100 that’s also pretty not grounded too

[@from2100]

@@mlgodzilla4206 exactly lol

[@yarc9]

@@mlgodzilla4206 spider man can be grounded

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

​@@yarc9Raimi found a way to balance campiness and groundedness. These directors could learn a thing or 2 from him. Also, I think he would be a great director of a Batman movie.

[@Dreadjaws]

I think the main issue all these adaptations are missing is that a major trait of Batman is that while he is a more or less grounded character, the world he inhabits is not. Big part of the character's appeal is to see a relatively normal person having to deal with crazy, abnormal out-of-this-world threats as much as he has to deal with street-level crime. One day he'll be fighting drug lords who take advantage of the pains of the lower class and the next one he'll be traveling to the other side of the galaxy to deal with a despot making superhuman aliens fight each other for sport.

[@cybertramon0012]

“Darn. He’s a pterodactyl again.” A line that shows how used he is to weird things.

[@Jaxoftradez]

Which is why he belongs in the same world as Superman and Wonder Woman.

[@isaiahm3038]

Batman is nowhere near a normal person. He's basically a superhuman idc what anyone says.

[@OutrageIsNow]

I get it, but opening that door runs the risk of turning into what Marvel became. It’s just cheesy and corny imo

[@Jaxoftradez]

@@OutrageIsNow making any movie has it’s risks. But it can and should be done right.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Ever since Joel Schumacher’s Batman and Robin and Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight Trilogy, everyone has been trying so hard to one up themselves on how grounded Batman should be and are basically afraid of a fantastical Batman because they don’t want to run the risk repeating the same mistake Batman and Robin did. Slightly off topic, but they even based the DCEU banking off the success of The Dark Knight Trilogy with Man of Steel who had Christopher Nolan as a producer alongside Zack Snyder until it went on to fully be Zack Snyder’s thing entirely. That’s how scared they were. Trying to make everything like Batman.

[@somethingclever4297]

Can't wait for the next movie. Where batman is just some crazy guy who gets hit by a stray bullet in the first 10 minutes. And the rest of the movie is just in the hospital. Only for him to flatline.

[@Kalel2.0]

I agree but just cause one movie that was a glorified Toy Commercial missed the mark on the fantastical side of Batman doesnt mean aspects of that side of him should be ignored or toned down

[@HyperionStars]

Agreed it’s an overcorrection of Schumacher’s errors

[@comixproviderftw_02]

@@HyperionStars I understand that the movie didn’t do well, but it’s been two decades now. It’s like they still see it with shame like a bastard child and everything it represents.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

@@orhanamin1347 dude, just move on already. Zack certainly has, which is why he doing stuff for Netflix now.

[@hopefulfriend4163]

Why the 4 Arkham games are my goats. Perfect blend.

[@Ozz131]

or the animated series. i even prefer the brave and the bold over this grounded realism batman. it reminds me of the mcu. fun.

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

I love how all the discourse around grounded Batman is like "We don't want grounded Batman anymore... let Matt Reeves cook though."

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yeah, I was honestly bored with The Batman and Penguin is just a show about the criminal world. They couldn't even commit to giving Penguin his name. Reeves is ashamed of these characters and the world.

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Nah I disagree. I think Matt loves the comics. Look I’m sure all us comic fans have our ideas for Elseworlds where things are different. That’s what Matt’s doing. He’s not doing the Todd Phillips thing where he’s using the brand just to get people to see his idea that nobody would care about otherwise.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@rakoonshampoo2608 Matt is only interested in gritty and grounded depiction of the character. He doesn't like the character in his entirety. He doesn't like the campy side. He's only focusing on specific aspects of the character. And even with the Penguin show, it's just a show about the criminal underworld. You could easily take away the DC references just like Todd Phillips Joker. He didn't even use Penguin's actual name because he thought it was too silly.

[@Optimegatrongodzilla]

​@@rakoonshampoo2608 "I think Matt Reeves loves the comics.". JonTron: "Excuse me! Whaaat?!".

[@mrkings2535]

@@Optimegatrongodzillamatt reeves loves the comics

[@PraisetheLawd]

Hard to ground a guy wearing a batsuit with pointy ears

[@yarc9]

It works with spider man

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

@@yarc9 is it? In Sam Raimi’s films, he fought a crazed dude that was injected with practically super soldier serum, a guy with 4 robot arms, a dude who can turn into a giant sand monster, and an alien from outer space. In the Amazing Spider-Man films, he fought a giant lizard and a man made of pure electricity. In MCU, he fought a salvage crew boss who made an armored wing suit, some dude with hyper-realistic CGI, and all those previous villains minus the alien. In what world is that grounded?

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

​@@alexanderchristopher6237Yeah, they've done a good job with Spiderman by making him both campy and grounded. I think the MCU is when they went too far in the campy direction.

[@tcuff1333]

@@alexanderchristopher6237 Most of those villains can be explained through modern science and technology like steroids , stem cells , drones , cybernetic prosthetics and animal human hybrids . all the best movies and TV shows are based in reality they just exaggerate it !

[@mateusnogueira7340]

Grounded not necessaraly means realistic. It means making a story that things has more depth and makes more sense inside that fictional story, including unbelievable parts. For example, The Boys is a grounded show, because it plays with the idea of how super heroes would be if they are depicted as actual people from the "real world", giving a lot of depth to the characters and humanizing them, along with trying to make sense of all the fantastical without sacrificing the use of super powers, extra gore and absurd situations. The Punisher, a single man ending a bunch of crime families without being stopped, is unbelievable as fuck but they create the illusion for us to seem that is realistic, because is a crazy normal military guy just shooting crooks. That logic that Reeves used on his movie. The idea of Batman is absurd itself but it has grounded aspects to it that he worked on it, and thats the fun part

[@BigReek99]

In my opinion, Batman needs to be less realistic and more fantastical. When you take into account his history, Bruce as a character shouldn’t really be grounded because it downplays what he’s capable of. Look at Ben Affleck, he’s the best looking Batman in film and he’s the best with physicality. I want the dcu Bruce to be a master martial artist, gymnast, acrobat and detective, I want to see Bruce actually use his legs, do back flips, do somersaults, roundhouse kicks. Ben was the only Batman that felt like he actually could live in a world with Superman, flash, Wonder Woman, gods, aliens, supernatural stuff and etc… I want a Batman that’s tall and buff, that’s fighting the real bane that’s Hispanic and using the actual venom serum. I want a joker that fell into the vat of acid and it turned his skin white and his hair green, I want a poison ivy that has green skin and can control plants, I want a Mr freeze that’s in the suit and has the big red goggles and the big freeze gun and have where he can only survive in sub zero temperatures. I liked the dark knight trilogy and even the Matt reeves movie, but I’m tired of grounded/realistic Batman. Batman is not supposed to be realistic, he’s supposed to be a peak human. Case in point, I want comic book Batman🤷‍♂️

[@KwabzModding]

@@orhanamin1347 All terrible hashtags, if anyone will give us this comic batman whose more fantastical it would be James Gunn, snyder had more than enough chances and simply didnt understand batman beyond the aesthtics, all we had was the punisher in a batsuit who suddenly is best buds on a first name basis with a guy he tried to kill for most of the time he knew him, so glad the dceu is done, it had its highs and lows but it died because it wasnt good enough.

[@purplespectre]

@@orhanamin1347 lol no, those hashtags are awful. James Gunn is most likely to give us the true Batman we want. It already looks like he'll be giving us the true Superman.

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

poison ivy is a hero now

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Exactly, campiness and fantastical elements are part of his history. Ignoring that completely means never portraying a truly accurate version. Limiting the character.

[@blaqcvts]

yea but making a fantastical live action batman movie where he foghts meta humans with just his gadgets and skills is also insanely goofy and ridiculous, the grounded batman movies have made the charachter more interesting and with more depth and humanity, I hope gunn balances both instead of just fantastical or grounded, somehow make it fantastical with superpowered villains but also humanize the charachter and make him interesting at the same time and not have him beat every single villain just because he's batman

[@Santoscortexxxxx]

I hope dcu Batman is more fantastical

[@JP-sq4ux]

@@orhanamin1347 ben affleck would’ve died making that movie but you losers don’t care about that as long as you get your shitty movie

[@JP-sq4ux]

@@orhanamin1347 it’s never gonna happen, but keep spamming hashtags if it makes you feel better

[@JP-sq4ux]

@@orhanamin1347 womp womp dead universe is never coming back keep crying 😂😂

[@BatChad]

You miserable as hell bro lol​@@JP-sq4ux

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

Personally the one issue I’ve always had with Batman is just how obvious it is that writers love him. He always has to be the one on the spotlight. It awfully comes off like the only way Batman can remain relevant is to just make him superhuman while claiming he’s just a man. Batman’s appeal to me has always been that despite standing amongst gods, he’s clearly not one of them. But the insane feats he has brings that into question. Sokka from Avatar is how I wish writers treated Batman. He’s outmatched by every one of his friends. Hell even the non benders like Suki and Ty Lee could probably beat him easily. But that’s not why he’s needed. He doesn’t need to be a heavy hitter. It’s his tactical mind and ability to stay moral that make him valuable. Things like punching Flash, evading Superman’s superhearing or Omega Beams and being the best fighter ruin Batman for me. Writers need to stop making Batman the best at literally everything.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Amen to that dude. You summed up why I've kind of started dislike Batman.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 I still like Batman. But I don't like modern Batman fans.

[@Comicedits39]

I disagree, I think Batman Being a Heavy Hitter despite Being a Mortal Person Makes him far more interesting, Batman is The PEAK of Humans, he represents what we could do if we really push ourselves, The idea that just because he’s a human that he should always be doing Human things is mind blowing, Batman is not really human, he’s borderline Superhuman, most of the things that he does is due to his intelligence, building powersuits, building Gadgets that can Fight world ending threats. Marvel Characters like Iron Man are actually like Batman, Tony Stark is just a regular human but with his mind can Contend With the likes of Thanos, Thor and Even Odin. The thing is Batman isn’t even at the top of dc, Fighting wise he’s top 2 for sure, And Intelligence wise he’s Top 3, but he’s not the very best, Karate Kid Is arguably the better fighter, Brainiac is smarter than Bruce And Lex Luthor is arguably smarter as well

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

@@Comicedits39 the thing with iron man is that it’s really thanks to his suit. Iron Man shows us what intelligence can achieve. Batman to me shows what you can achieve with the power of plot armor. Again with Sokka. Being a human that can’t bend the elements doesn’t detract from his value. Instead Sokka showcases the value in what’s honestly an insignificant person in comparison to the others. Having Batman pull off crazy feats defeats his purpose. It’s like saying “you have no unless you can be just as fast or just as strong.” An episode of Avatar’s Sokka’s Master would be pointless if Sokka was just as dangerous as the rest of the Gaang. They don’t need another Toph, or another Aang or another Katara. They need Sokka.

[@jasontodd1896]

Agree

[@Ale-dd3ek]

Have Reeves make the noir grounded Batman with villains like Hugo Strange or court of owls The DCU could embrace Batman "comic side" and have villains like Ivy, Clayface, mr freeze...

[@garrettmurphy2447]

I’d also like manbat and killer croc.

[@_YourFlyIsOpen]

Best way to do it. We’ll have the more grounded Batman with The Batman and more fantastical Batman with James Gunn’s Batman Brave and the Bold.

[@Superlad9494]

Ivy would be fun and so would Clayface

[@robertdavies6630]

And have deathstroke in it as well because he's the only one who hasn't fought batman in live action yet

[@Superlad9494]

@@robertdavies6630 no. Keep Deathstroke out of it. Deathstroke is not a Batman villain! He's a Titans Villain! Strike that he's a Nightwing Villain! Seriously that will only further demote Dick Grayson back to sidekick by turning his villain into yet another in Bruce's infinite catalog, the whole reason for Dick becoming Nightwing and spending more time with the Titans was to show that he was no longer Bruce's sidekick and had his own life, supporting cast and bad guys, he's not Batman Jr like WB and DC keep insisting he is. If you need someone who hasn't fought Batman yet...just properly use Firefly for real this time, Manbat, Killer Croc or Ventriloquist. It would make more sense.

[@Kalel2.0]

As great things as grounded Bats has brought us like the Nolan Trilogy and so far Reeves Batman Universe i feel feel it benches and gets rid of aspects that makes Batman so special like the sidelining of the Batfamily for almost 30 years and villains like Clayface and Killer Croc as well as borrowing elements from the same storylines like Year One and the Long Halloween over and over

[@somethingclever4297]

I mean. Killer croc isn't that bizarre. He's just a big guy with a skin condition. It's just that stories go all in on the crocodile aspects. "he's not a crodile man, he just has a skin condition that gives him rough skin. And claws And sharp teeth And slit pupils And a snout And a tail."

[@The_Infamous_Boogyman]

Well we did have batfleck and killer croc in the same film

[@OwenShort-r2v]

​@@orhanamin1347Oh stuff your dead, failed universe's hashtags where the sun don't shine already

[@inendlesspain4724]

@@somethingclever4297 And the ability to grow back cut limbs and become larger and stronger the more physical trauma he endures. Still human though, he just has a completely random mutation.

[@OwenShort-r2v]

@@orhanamin1347 cry about it, lil' bro, Hack Snyder's never coming back

[@AzureReborn]

Just give me a Batman movie with Clayface 🙏

[@deadpilled2942]

But it's the one in the suit that can't help it when he turns people into mud

[@TheJanissary90]

İn this mindset Clayface only be a mobster that wearing a clay mask and drowning people in cement.

[@Mr-screentime]

​@@TheJanissary90nahhhh😭😭

[@user-yj4vs1xh7k]

​@@TheJanissary90 or they could just make him a really good actor, a master of disguise, but more realistic, no meta powers. Similar to comic clayface, although he would need a new motivation, or plot device that would cause him to be a villain, or just make him a clearly evil selfish entitled rich elite etc., you know like most celebrities or actors nowadays

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

​@user-yj4vs1xh7k so Chameleon from Spiderman?

[@deadpilled2942]

I knew things were going well when directors and "show runners" were saying things like "I wanted to make my Star Wars", or "I never read Lord of the Rings,"

[@SecretMagician]

The worst part is when studios actively seek out these people and tell them not to do prior research anyway.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

​@@SecretMagicianand then those same directors tell people working on the films not to do research.

[@snake7440]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp then when the show gets bombed, they blame the fans for not liking it.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@snake7440 yup, these people never learn.

[@Oddash-lz6kw]

3:43 When I saw the Robin costume, I'm going to be honest, I got a little excited because I thought "Oh that's Jason! We're going to do Death in the Family or Under the Red Hood. Those stories actually fit the Synderverse dark and gritty tone. Maybe we'll get Nightwing or Tim Drake-" Nope. Zach Synder specifically said that the Robin that died was Dick Grayson. And my expectations dropped so fast. If the director is too scared to use Dick Grayson, then that means he's too scared to use Jason, Tim, or Damian. And if he's scared of the Robins, then he's scared to use any of the Batgirls. And since Dick Grayson is the leader of the Titans, that means there'd be no Titans because it means acknowledging all the other young heroes/former sidekicks. That's a lot of characters to bench for your 'expanded universe'. It's almost like 'grounded' superhero is code for 'we're embarrassed that we're adapting a whimsical genre'.

[@PaulCoyJR]

So, no Kite-Man?

[@arlwithac9285]

It’s a shame because Ben Affleck Batman was actually the perfect set up to introduce Tim Drake, but never happened unfortunately.

[@Totalnikkadeath]

Lets hope james gunn pulls through i want batman being dragged building by building by manbat using a grappling hook in the next dcu batman movie

[@Totalnikkadeath]

@@orhanamin1347 my guy its over

[@cornelius9964]

@@Totalnikkadeathlmao this guys gotta be a bot

[@kaaluha]

@@orhanamin1347snyderverse ain't coming back lil bro but it's okay you can keep being delusional.

[@sakurahex4998]

Anyone seeing this please report @orhanamin1347 for misinformation

[@sakurahex4998]

@@orhanamin1347bro ur a cultist wtf are this trends

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Batman Forever was a huge success

[@capitaokanalha6186]

Not critically

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

@@capitaokanalha6186 yes it was

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

@@capitaokanalha6186 yes it was

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Love Batman Forever. Still has some of the best Batman fight scenes.

[@feliciasteward777]

You're most likely going by stuff that you heard online that people have said about Batman forever being a quote on quote "failure​" Batman forever was a huge success when it first came out in 1995 it beat Jurassic Park in box office numbers And it made a lot of money at the box office Go back and watch some fan reactions from 1995 there was a lot of Batman fans at the time That enjoyed Batman forever how I know that is because I Saw it myself when the movie came out at the time most of all the hate is just from people online who think it's the worst Batman movie of all time because of the online echo chamber. @@capitaokanalha6186

[@crona1794]

We've gotta stop trying to convince ourselves that comic book characters could exist in our world. They can't. That's why they're special.

[@DavidWarren]

Exactly!

[@brandoncrockett9266]

But there’s also something special about placing comic book characters in a real-world setting and exploring the potential ramifications-especially with a character like Batman, whose character-background at least somewhat lends itself to more grounded filmmaking. I think that films like The Batman and The Dark Knight trilogy aren’t trying to convince us that Batman could exist, as much as they’re trying to answer the question “What if he did?”. And, in my opinion, we’ve gotten some of the most compelling comic book filmmaking ever from that approach

[@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000]

Thats literally ONLY LIMITS storytelling,ever heard of MODERATION,BALANCE etc?

[@StraightEdgeKnight19]

I honestly have no problem with live action Batman being grounded and realistic, that said though it still sucks that Affleck never got his own series of Batman films because his version of Batman was perfect for a live action Batman with fantastical villains.

[@sakurahex4998]

Keep whining

[@everything-comics1102]

Batman could be 30-36: he was around 19 when he began training, knocked up Talia around that time and was 25 when his mission began. Damian should be 11-13 in this first one, so he’ll be in his early 30’s when the brave and the bold began. But then you’d have to account for The other robins, so I think 35 is best, 10 years is enough to age up nightwing and red hood. If they wanna fit in tim and Barbra they could

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Batman banging talia pre costume is a bit odd tho

[@lexofpower2822]

That checks out

[@Kalel2.0]

​@@MILDMONSTER1234Its honestly the only way to keep him young while still making sense of Damian being that age and believable of the other Robin's coming along before him

[@BusterBarnes]

I think he'll be around 35-38. Brandon Sklenar is my point

[@purplespectre]

Ignoring the bot here, I think Batman could be between 33-39.

[@WeebGuru6]

Please don’t get rid of Tim and Jason and use pre new 52 Tim not 52 bro

[@thephantomoftheparadise5666]

Dare I ask what they did to him in New 52?

[@WeebGuru6]

@@thephantomoftheparadise5666 they made him bisexual and shelf our boy

[@lakernation26]

Made him gay 🙄🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ebenezeronile]

⁠​⁠@@WeebGuru6That’s Rebirth- Present Tim. New-52 was the one where they made him have a batman obsession and he didn’t become even Robin but a sidekick to the original Robin mantle.

[@WeebGuru6]

@@ebenezeronile that’s still bad bruh hence why I say pre new 52 cuz after that garbage

[@Joe_Kerr_9797]

I don't mind a grounded Batman but I prefer a Batman movie that is dark but isn't afraid to be comic book movie, that's one of the reason why I like Burton's Batman movies.

[@laurenmasters]

I understand Nolan because it was after Batman and Robin but by now we need more comic book y batman

[@feliciasteward777]

Honestly I would like to see a more comic book accurate Batman like what we got with the Tim Burton films it just seems like each and every time a new Batman movie comes out it just seems like everybody's trying to emulate the dark Knight trilogy hell the animated films do way better job than the live action films when it comes to the character because they're more accurate to the comics everyone thinks if they did what they did with Batman Robin back in the day people will think that Batman will go back to being goofy you can still keep Batman dark and brooding while bringing in the fantastical aspects of the character from the comics into live-action if the Tim Burton films could do it then so can these directors and writers that they currently have working on these films

[@nickjcirillo]

There’s no excuse now with how good cgi and effects are nowadays and all the stories they can adapt

[@feliciasteward777]

@@nickjcirillo exactly they can work clayface into a live action Batman movie as long as they have good writers that have a understanding of who the character they honestly need to start putting the spotlight on Batman's other villains in his rogue gallery because he has the best roster villains that any superhero wish they had they put too much focus on Harley and joker all the time it's really time that they take a break from those characters and start putting the spotlight on Batman's other villains in his rogue gallery

[@kieranholmes8086]

Grounded Batman stories are fucking great and are some of his best stories, however the problem like you said is the lack of variety. We need more varied mainstream representations of the character in film. Even the Long Halloween which is a more grounded stakes detective story if filled with fantastical gothic elements of his mythos. A good balance would be nice to see.

[@nobleskywalker4639]

I get it but when Robin hasn't been beside Batman in 25+ years of live action movies... especially since the character was introduced in 1939 that is a problem

[@elwoodjacobs4353]

The more "realistic" they try to make Batman, the more outlandish & ridiculous the concept becomes. When you break Batman down to its very core, it sounds like one of the most ludicrous concepts for a franchise: A man dresses up in a knock-off Superman suit with a cape shaped like bat wings & a cowl with bat ears stuck onto it for the express purpose of scaring the crap out of criminals, his side kick is his adopted son whose costume is one of the most colorful & garish outfits a superhero could wear, & some of his biggest threats are a man in clown makeup, a man with physical abnormalities that make him look like an aquatic bird, a man who wears suits laden with question marks from head to toe & is obsessed with riddles, & a woman in a leather skin-tight suit & cowl with _cat_ ears stuck on. The only reason that we think Batman is as awesome a concept/franchise as it is is because of the craft that goes into making the world of Batman feel so stylized & operatic. We know it's completely fictional, but it's so atmospheric & immersive that we get sucked into it & buy all of the insanity mentioned above. When they try to make Batman's world feel like it could take place just beyond your own backyard, the suspension of disbelief collapses entirely & the concept becomes laughable.

[@HipHopConservative]

This comment needs way more likes! Fantastic answer! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

@@elwoodjacobs4353 Personally, I think there’s a sense of irony (that’s probably the wrong word) to it that makes it work really well. I do like how everyone in the Reeves universe treats him like some unhinged freak. Dudes wearing a Halloween costume, taking himself 100% seriously, and can beat the shit out of you.

[@paulallen2680]

You could do that with literally anything; fictional or not.

[@jasontodd1896]

Exactly

[@mhelm0225]

Honestly, it's less of a problem with realistic Batman, and more of an issue with companies milking the shit of something that receives any positive feedback. (Example: The Batman who snickers)

[@mike9512]

Because the "Batman wins because of prep time" thing makes no f'n sense when you have an actual person in the suit. It becomes very clear there is nothing stopping someone from just shooting him in the face.

[@Logan-lf2oc]

Besides the bulletproof suit but yeah

[@Comicedits39]

He can dodge bullets, he also moves So fast That The average human Cannot see him with their naked eye

[@mike9512]

@@Comicedits39 I get that in comic books and heightened movies. In a grounded movie, he ain't dodging bullets or not being seen. It's not physically possible for a human to do that. Also, Batman has no superpowers, except for his plot armor of being the main character and "he's Batman". Again, comic book, doesn't matter. Real person that needs to sleep, have a full-time job, and can be hurt, makes no sense.

[@LeeLonnieLove]

Pretty much yeah. Batman is cool because you can feel like him. You watch or play as him and go yeah I could beat these guys up if I was good enough. Comics Batman is cool because he can dodge bullets and shit on top of everything else. You can’t really film a person dodging bullets and have it look good. That’s the problem. In the movie Batman will be established to not have superpowers. To just make him Arkham Batman he would need to have spider sense at the very least to do what he does. Thats why they just give him super armor because he has infinite money and you go yeah Bruce Wayne could make a suit like that, hell he has to to be Batman on a regular basis. I’d say Batman generally uses a grounded approach when fighting meta humans anyways. He has contingencies that exploit tangible weaknesses anyone could use. For him to dodge omega beams he had to do a backflip into a hole on top of a parademon and relocate so it him the demon. For him to defeat dark side he had to rig the whole planet to blow up and make a deal. They won’t do this in live action they will just scale him up or down for whatever the situation calls for and when it’s time to kill the bad guy they’ll have another member do it. Batman in live action should be grounded now his enemies could be fantastical, they don’t all have to be goons. The approach to dealing with the enemies should be grounded though. Or you could just have Batman exorcise a ghost and immediately set that tone that this Batman is different.

[@LeeLonnieLove]

@@Comicedits39 you can’t film that. Star wars force speed is an example. It looks bad and is bad for the cinematic universe because any situation a character is pressed for time they should be using the force. If Batman moves faster than the naked eye and can’t be seen any scene where he looks like a dude in a suit now has to be justified. It doesn’t translate to live action. In a game you can slow down or speed up animations to fit his capabilities seamlessly. In a comic or cartoon you simply draw it. In a movie you have to make a script and direct an actor to actually do this stuff in real life. Sure you can use cgi but no one wants cgi Batman. That’s the real issue. Everything fantastical people want to see a guy has to dress up and perform in real life and it has to be shot in a way that looks good.

[@CoolIguess5]

A really don’t blame Matt Reeves for not wanting his Batman to be in a cinematic universe especially after The Batman’s production history.

[@midwestkrazy83turner50]

💯

[@TheSsjJoker]

I just want a more fantastical in live action…GIVE ME AN 10ft mud man who can shape shift…I want a 8ft ripped alligator man who wrestles and eats people, Give me A Sexy plant lady who controls Giant Plants Plz Oh and one more thing give me a Joker who ACTUALLY FALLS INTO ACID AND IS BLEACH WHITE SKIN etc Thx 🙏 😅

[@purplespectre]

I want a Joker who actually has a good sense of humour.

[@TheSsjJoker]

@@purplespectre fr

[@andraw4002]

Exactly. Every Joker nowadays is just a Heath derivative.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yes!

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

@@TheSsjJoker People probably won’t like it, but I actually really like the clown style makeup from the 2019 movie. I’d love to see a design that combines comic joker with that clown style makeup. Especially if the chemicals seriously scarred his skin and made him look kinda gross.

[@basedostrich]

I think Batman should always be pretty grounded in his first year or two at least, and over time, more fantastical elements appear throughout his time as Batman.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

These directors need to start thinking more like the cartoons. The DCAU gave us incredibly mature takes, while still providing the fun and making it accessible to children. The new movies are just trying to one up the Nolan trilogy by being grittier and more grounded.

[@midwestkrazy83turner50]

He set a tone. And now there's no turning back. Nolan done started something. I don't see it changing anytime soon.

[@powersurge_beast]

I want a less sci Fi Batman trilogy that's ALSO heavy in the medieval and gothic imagery. Not excessively (tbh that'd be fun too) but really the subtle dark fantasy castle inspired sky scrapers, armor like DARK KNIGHT bat suit, fuck it, berserker Bane (NOT JUST A MINDLESS BRUTE, maybe like Lanius from Fallout?) and a slightly more draconic Killer Croc than we've ever gotten. Tbh doubling down on the classic monster house vibe of some villains would be cool too.

[@controlman7490]

@@powersurge_beast So a medieval Batman?

[@l_rob420]

I love Colin Farrell’s Penguin, but it’s strange that he was made Italian for a few reasons: -Irish actor -Penguin usually has an upper class/posh accent, even the American versions -His friggin’ name is British -He’s supposed to be the desperate remnant of a wealthy family, clinging to a status they don’t have anymore

[@guti7311]

But where do they say it's Italian?

[@dommyboi6926]

​@guti7311 he is American-Italian in matt reves batman universe

[@osiris7945]

wdym “he is supposed to be” ? this is a varian story. they don’t make him black or latino either.

[@jamesdan6895]

What in the living name of christ does Colin Farrell being Irish have to do with anything? Are you twelve??

[@l_rob420]

@@jamesdan6895 he’s irish, playing an italian-american, based off an american character, who is often depicted as british, it’s just a weird set of choices to make

[@ganumon1984]

You can get mad at me all you want, but I still want Robert Pattinson’s Batman take influences from the Arkham Games so it can manage the fantastical and noir elements. Plus, this would be a good opportunity for Battinson to rely more on his martial arts and gadgetss.

[@Jozues_]

Agreed, I’m praying they don’t make Batman 40-50 starting out in the DCU. Bruce in Main Continuity gets Damien at age 36 and a new 52. He was even younger at getting him at age 33. Making 10 years older than Clark ruins the dynamic to me of them being brothers. It’s easily doable to make him mid 30s starting out with a full family & I hope they cast that Brandon Sklenar actor from 1923 for Batman he would cook.

[@nickjcirillo]

I think they confirmed that’s true. It’s a world of super heroes and Superman comes last

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

0:49 that’s sad

[@lowtide84]

As much as I like Matt Reeves' The Batman universe, but I want Matt Reeves' version to be the last "realistic Batman" ever.

[@geordiemc4571]

Good thing it’s not that realistic then. Gotham is actually stylised. Joker is born with chalked white skin and a congenital smile. Batman has meta human durability pretty much, walking into bullets and slapping into bridges etc.

[@NotCharAznable]

You people take realistic too seriously.

[@Slime_06-y3l]

DOES THIS MAN EVER SLEEP? You gotta stop cooking bro, for my health, too fire🙏

[@BusterBarnes]

I just hope they keep the idea of 2 Batmans. Not really a fan of merging the Reevesverse into the DCU. You can still have the Batmans be similar ages theyll just need to have different costumes, physiques, and different tones, also DCU Batman will have the Bat Family

[@yarc9]

Batman can be both grounded & fantastical

[@yarc9]

@@orhanamin1347you care

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

how ?

[@yarc9]

@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω you have the long Halloween

[@jasontodd1896]

Exactly

[@dazzlethestar151]

I really do hope the DCU Batman touches on the more fantastical aspects of the character, while Matt Reeves Batman focuses on the realistic side.

[@vm141789]

And here I am still asking for a live action Batman Beyond movie…

[@Bumbo12]

The Batman 2004 show probably one of the best early years Batman imo

[@Sjono]

Arkham Asylum series as the prime example of what the movies should follow. They keep Batman dark and gritty while being unshamed to embrace and showcase the fantastical and campy side of Batman

[@dgrhm08]

A secondary problem with a grounded Batman is the villains become less fantastic. No Mr. Freeze, Killer Croc, Clayface, or other oddballs. In the greater scope, it helps adding such characters because then It makes sense if Batman's in the Justice League dealing with villains way off his ability to fight by himself.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

I can understand Croc, Ivy and Clayface, but what is the problem with Mr. Freeze? He's a grief stricken scientist with a gun that freezes people. I would consider that still relatively normal.

[@zenquantum1246]

Solid video. I disagree that "we've had enough of grounded Batman stories." I'm looking forward to both more of Matt Reeves' Gotham stories and the "team player" Batman of the Gunnverse. This town is big enough for the both of them

[@theknightman]

This is why Caped Crusader threw me off so much. His Rouge's Gallery were all street-level crime bosses or maniacs, but then all of a sudden, mfing GENTLEMAN GHOST and a child VAMPIRE (they play it off as a medical condition, but it's not fooling anyone) show up. How can they have an actual, on-god ghost, yet Clayface is only a dude who can mold his face? Even Onomatopoeia got shafted. He's not a man who can perfectly recreate any sound to fool people. He's just a weird hitman who *speaks* sound effects. GG and Nocturna give me hope they're willing to go fantastical with the series, but this trend of a grounded Batman seems hard to shake off, even for Caped Crusader.

[@AGenerousLove]

This guys right, Lego Batman is the most accurate movie depiction

[@leonarddement3432]

people need to realize the most fantastical thing about robert patterson's batman is his suit. it's completely bulletproof minus point blank shot gun blasts

[@stranglestrong]

A real life Batman would die pretty quickly.

[@misterelom]

This is why I'm more excited for DCU Batman/Brave and the Bold than any upcoming Matt Reeves stuff. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed The Batman and I think The Penguin is a great show, but I'm getting a bit burned out on the grounded takes and am more than ready for a more comic book fantastical live action Batman. I'm ready for his more fantastical metahuman rogues like Man-Bat, a Bane that juices up on venom and grows into a monster, a monstrous Killer Croc, and a Clayface that's a big mud monster that shape shifts.

[@lexramstudios1386]

It's interesting how people are tired of grounded Batman movies and multiverse Spider-Man movies (even though there have only been three Spider-Verse movies)

[@SepRoyle]

Ground batman 😎 is cool and all but it gets old pretty fast

[@bentonrp]

Yup. REALLY fast! I remember what turned me off to The Dark Knight early on; It was that scene where Nolan put in all those Batman immitators just to make it more... sigh... "realistic." NO THANKS! HATE IT! It took me such a long time to come around to The Dark Knight and see all the good and intelligence in that movie, because it was so disgustingly accurate to reality!

[@MarvNARK]

The main problem with a "Realistic" and, inaccurately phrased, "Grounded" is the overzealous Fanboys actually; in the good sense for once These cult members are going to go around saying that Batman can beat anybody in comics in general, yet overall with the majority of live-action films, he is primarily fighting normal people. Post the Adam West show, Batman and Robin and Batman v Superman are the only films where he's fought superpowered characters

[@kingbash6466]

As much as I love the Nolan films (being a bit generous with Rises), I think they really did damage to Batman's public image where the only way he can have good, thoughtful stories is if he was in a 100% realistic setting.

[@blaqcvts]

it's understandable, doing a good realistic batman movie is easier than trying to do a fantastical batman movie and risk turning the charachter into a meme again. Ben affleck was a cool fantastical batman but that universe just didn't work and pattinson is really good idc if it's "too grounded" which it really isn't

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Batman isn't a street level character. He's not only grounded. He's a mix of campy and gritty. He's a complex character with multiple aspects to him. Denying an entire side of the character is limiting the character and only focusing on some aspects. Holding him back. Directors need to learn from Raimi who was able to balance Spiderman as both campy and grounded. Start thinking more like the cartoons that have given us the most iconic depictions of these characters. They DCAU is written mature but still accessible to children.

[@midwestkrazy83turner50]

Lol! That works for Disney and Sony and their characters. They tried that and it was a complete circus fest. Nobody wants that no more in Batman and probably would get thrashed in these times. Which I wouldn't be mad. Bcus I remember them horrible a## movies. SMH

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@midwestkrazy83turner50 yes, people do. That's the whole point of this video. People don't want things that are too extreme in the sense of having too much campiness or too grounded. They want a balance. Batman isn't just dark and brooding all the time. People actually like it when he smiles and does more than just be sad about his parents. Doing the same take on Batman for the last 3 modern Batman movies is boring. DC can be just as campy as Marvel. Marvel just knows how to balance it better.

[@midwestkrazy83turner50]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp No! It's nvr been that way at WB with the Batman movies. Stuff got goofy when they did those ones with George and Val in them. Nolan has changed the game. And by the look of things, it's a very small portion that even talks about that. WB will not go back down that route and from what I'm seeing? Mad ppl and fans LOVE the Grounded Batman stuff. You see ain't nobody else crying? So sorry that they don't wanna do that campy stuff. Maybe at Disney. But truth be told? Even between the 2( Disney and WB) the cartoons are even different. Disney was always rainbows and roses metaphorically. But WB has had sort of a dark tone to their humor in their cartoons. They just different and should stay that way.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@midwestkrazy83turner50 you're not understanding what I'm saying. I want a balance of campy and grounded/gritty. I don't want full on campy, and I don't want full grounded/gritty. And it's not just this one video, I've seen several with most people in the comments agreeing. Why do you think WB hired James Gunn? It's because betting it all on Snyder and his dark tone lead to failure. Marvel made billions because they were able to balance campy and grounded

[@midwestkrazy83turner50]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp THATS MARVEL!!!!!! You the one not listening and The Penguin is showing you different! People love the grounded Batman theme. NOBODY is saying this that is within the majority of fans. Nobody is asking for campy Bullshit dawg! You are making things up to try and win ur argument points and they not hitting with me. Bcus I read and do my homework. And the grounded Batman thing is here to stay. NOLAN has changed the game at WB. They haven't done that stupid goofy stuff for 30yrs and that failed miserably. Uma Thurman just came out and said that them movies in the mid 90s were for children. They not making movies for that anymore. Marvel can stay in their lane with that. Bringing Gunn ain't no upgrade dude!!! Idk why you wanna Lapride so hard. But trust and believe when Gunn fails? They will stick to the grounded approach. Bcus they seeing now that this Gunn stuff ain't working. I can tell you just listen to certain ppl and don't read much. But there are articles out there that say that the top brass at WB aren't sure that Gunn will make a big impact on the fans with his movies and what he wants for the DCU. You see ppl didn't turnout for him at NYCC? Everything since Gunn has been there has been flops. Lol! You can have Gunn. But my boy, the majority of fans aren't on board nor supporting it. You'll see. Only thing ppl are loving are The Batverse by Reeves.

[@Carmadillo-c6k]

I need my boy Tim Drake to receive love from the GA.

[@marcusyee2211]

13:09 immediately thought about Hi-Top Films pulling something like this, or any of the "film bros" that only hate superhero movies because they're popular and will glaze any indie or older movie for the sake of it.

[@eskanda3434]

Grounded Batman worked after the Schumacher failure of 90s so Nolan needed a fresh take on the character for the big screen but its really been done to death now. Audiences are ready for more fantastic take on the character and world that isnt limited by whats “realistic” something akin to Batman the animated series or Arkham series would be a great visual take for him to evolve again

[@UMIF001]

I'm happy that we're getting two types of Batman movie at the same time because I like them both, one is grounded and one is more fantastical The same situation is happening with Godzilla franchise aswell. With American Monsterverse dumb and fun movie and Japanese Toho dark and gritty movie

[@Knightfall182]

DCU Batman should be around *40-45* An established veteran like the Affleck Bats. Meanwhile Pattinson can play the young Millenial Batman in his 30s.🫡

[@ericheaton642]

Im gonna say it. I like a grounded Batman, I think Batman needs a more realistic and more detective style because it gets little acknowledgement if not completely neglected in a lot media. His rogues might be more limited, but I’d argue that’s where good writers can come in and actually make a new rogue and maybe even a new good nemesis so we don’t have to keep watching Batman and Joker fight for the millionth time. I found this new movie to be a breath of fresh air. The soundtrack, set design, the darkness and grittiness of it was great, I would like to see Batman get some upgrades to his suit and tech as long as the series keeps going, but it’s been awesome so far.

[@NickFilmsYo]

great content man!

[@Ronruk]

All we need is Arkham Batman with the bat family in the DCU. Please Gunn 🤞🏽

[@TiredmanOffical]

DC has been making batman lack luster fr, limiting his villian roster in movies. Ngl, we NEED an animated TV series or movie using a close reference to the Arkham game series.

[@xAstate]

As someone who never read a comic or watched an animated show about Batman, I love the idea of a grounded universe (and Batman) it’s make it more believable, real and relatable. Finally a hero with flaws and pros like any human beings. I don’t want it to turn into a semi sci-fi movie with a ton of CGI over practical effects that make the movie less tangible and believable. The fact that his suit is practical or his car just a tuned muscled car makes it better imo because it is something that you might “potentially” see in real life and by consequence makes the movie not only more grounded but more mature as it gets closer to our reality, which is welcomed in era of industrial Marvel / Hollywoodian movies that are being produced as cash grab products instead of what they should be: Art with a deeper meaning that what you see on screen. Same applies to the villains, as a grounded vilain, this one becomes more believable just like the rest and even relatable for some while treating of real socials flaws such as it was perfectly done with the Riddler or Joker, the fact that these guys could potentially exist makes the movie more relatable to audiences than a CGI generated vilain that lost all of his humanity. Finally, the reason I insist so much on relatable and believable elements, regardless of if it is a Batman movie or any other movie, is because it is more prompt to a better overall written story and character development. Something that you will have a hard time finding in those “semi sci-fi” movies where most of the budget and overall efforts are dedicated to action scenes and visual effects (that just happen to be bad, forced and cringe most of the time). The Batman despite its “generic” story about Ghotam’s corruption, as a deeper meaning about fear, loss and the inequality of each individual’s life but can still managed to provide real grounded action scene as it is shown with the Batmobile chase or the believable fights choreography where Batman is constantly getting hit or thrown around (or shot at) which you could compare to real life professional fighters: as they “mastered” their respectful discipline, one can’t avoid to take damage as their opponents (or environment at a greater scale) are almost or more dangerous than the hero, despite all the precautions he took.But what do I know hum ? I maybe totally wrong, that’s just my preference and perspective on the subject.

[@Kubson3105]

Every good Batman live action movie has one thing in common, they all don't go all out in being fantastical

[@James-pq7sv]

This video and your channel is disgustingly underrated. I just subbed, you hit every point on the head coming from a 27 year old that has loved and cherished Batman since I was 2 years old!

[@all9472]

The batman animated show would be a perfect live action

[@VVguy1]

That makes no sense.

[@BusterBarnes]

Facts

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I'd love if Raimi directed a Batman movie using that show as inspiration.

[@midwestkrazy83turner50]

​@@VVguy1💯👍🏿

[@midwestkrazy83turner50]

​@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp🤭. Leave Batman alone please

[@showmethetreaty]

Thank you Mr. M. By far my favorite comic book content channel

[@Mr_Wayne2012]

The Dark knight originally took place 6 months - 1 year after Batman Begins But that was changed to 5 years and some months for the dark knight rises Ra's al ghul mentions that he was fighting crime for years Also the definitive guidebook for the dark knight trilogy supervised by Nolan States that 5 years passed between Batman begins and the dsrk knight That also can be see in both movies with Gordon sons The boy was a baby in the first movie no more than 3 years ANd in the sequel he have a daughter of 4-5 years old and he is around 8-10

[@michellelewalski]

Gary Oldman said it best in The Dark Knight - The hero we need but not the one we deserve...Batman is a silent guardian and a watchful protector...I don't think grounded - in whatever respect - really comes into it 🙂

[@Miaphysite_Carsin]

DCAU Batman was the perfect balance of fantastical and balanced

[@nomadichippie1930]

People always say “he’s just a human” but they don’t understand he is peak human, he is what a man at his highest state would be. -Olympic level stats -genius level IQ -master all martial arts -ingenious inventions -business savvy -master of micronaps to be awake all the time And I’m sure bigger fans could add much more. But if you think about it, real Batman would be easily able to jump into other superhero movies

[@psyberdelicxp6042]

The Arkham games are my favorite...just make those a live series.

[@Legion849]

The closest we got was Ben Affleck's Batman shame that his solo movie never happened

[@ianyoder2537]

If you ask me the best way to do a grounded batman is like character from a stealth video game, a proper stealth game like Hitman not an action game with stealth elements. Batman can fight but it's not ideal, he's better at stealth and strategy. Batman's smart, he knows the issue with Gotham is the corruption at the top not the thugs at the bottom. So his initial goal would be to get evidence against and leverage on the corrupt elite. His equipment would primarily be designed to help him infiltrate places like a ninja, then later on when he's in a bad position he improvises and figures out how to use them as weapons. Then after he's caught and escapes a couple of times he see's how much he scares the lower tier criminals.

[@cartilagehead]

Contemporary Batman needs a lot more Adam West and a lot less Frank Miller and Alan Moore in the recipe

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Speaking nothing but truth my guy

[@Vojou345]

Wow, im glad a video of this exists. I made a post on reddit like a year and half ago, explaining why making a hyper realistic batman takes away from all the interesting things about him as a character and his universe. I want to see more of Batman's rogue gallery on the big screen. From Posion Ivy to Clayface, Freeze, Killer Croc and many more. I grew up with Batman:TaS and that show mixed the fantastical elements of batman with such a noir setting, you can still buy into the drama despite the characters themselves meta humans. I want to believe such a concept can still be adapted to the big screen.

[@raven3067]

I would much rather watch a Batman who fights gangsters and solve murder cases instead of a Batman who fights aliens with a lazer gun. Simple as that.

[@Griffith74]

ok why not something in the middle something thats like the animated show

[@blaqcvts]

@@Griffith74exactly a balance of both is what i think gunn will try to do

[@1paperroute]

@@Griffith74a balanced of both is perfect, make the monsters make sense, in a way of science, people are begging for grounded batman to end but when gunn jumps to Batman fighting straight aliens out of space people are going to cry, let reeves cook let science cook because we don’t know wtf gunn is cooking

[@midwestkrazy83turner50]

😆😆😆😆💯. Totally agree

[@controlman7490]

@@raven3067 It can be both. The same way in Captain America first avenger Cap was fighting Nazis but eventually in the first avengers movie was fighting aliens and God's. Same thing with Iron Man.

[@marveler8994]

I was feeling a bit iffy on DCU Batman debuting years after his career started, but you make a good point about how we've mostly gotten Batman movies and shows where he's just starting out

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yup, they never give us Batman in his prime. Or a fully realized Gotham city

[@blaqcvts]

exactly, we've either gotten young batman or old batman, never prime batman and the dcu will most likely be prime batman

[@commonsense5199]

I am tried people keep making Deathstroke a Batman villain. Deathstroke is teen titans villain not a Batman villain. 5:06 Really? That is actually real? There is so many Batmen that has their own continuities and they want Matt Reeves’ Batman to be part of James Gunn’s DCU? They just want No Way Home version of Batman, which is beyond dumb. No more multiverse stories. 11:32 You think James Gunn will adapted Battle of the Cowl story? But without Tim Drake, Jason Todd and other characters? 12:14 I agree I prefer other Batman villains like Philo Zeiss. But we gonna go non grounded villains Doctor Phosphorus(DC has an obsession with Green skeletons), Zebra Man, Orca, Eraser The only Batman that is non Grounded is Batman: The Brave and the Bold. 13:07 It the same for the Dark Knight trilogy. Seriously Christopher Nolan original pitch was not a Batman movie until WB made it the pitch into a Batman movie. 13:17 I seen a lot of thumbnails. I just not going to see Joker 2. Ever Back then when first The Joker movie was successful, there people who criticized the movie calling it *“White Man Rage”* I do remember one of the critics like the bird of prey movie. Oh hypocrisy you are a mystery. 14:43 Man….. Where is the Love for Tim Drake. Before Fitzmartin and Wielgoz retcon Tim drake. Never forget. 14:48 But you should check out The Boy Wonder by Juni Ba. It is a Great Robin and Good Damain Wayne story.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Agreed. Thankfully ever since the death stroke movie died they have been having him fight the titans more now

[@PuffyBuffy25]

@@orhanamin1347You need to shut up, I can't lie.

[@anchorbrant6741]

Could you imagine if they did a Batman pov movie like hardcore Henry? Like you follow Batman through one night out from his actual pov - whether it be a Arkham game styled story or something new. Either way that would be a crazy ahh movie

[@kartierknight7926]

gets his back blown out? give that a pause cousin 2:25

[@blockwearingman]

lmao

[@Lucki-4Me]

I want a live action version of the public enemies Batman. Dude was scrapping with whole rogues galleries

[@batuhanbolat5656]

Oz Cob, the secret long lost brother of Mob Cob from Garden Warfare 2

[@kaygeez1542]

Nightwing, Damien, Jason and Drake would be dope. Have them as their own characters and Bats having to keep them in check. The villain should be Ras and Shiva!

[@PostCrisisRH]

Only Nightwing, Damian, and Drake. Jason should either be dead or out of the Batfamily as Red Hood

[@TV_night_Show.]

Ben Afflecks batman is only one that is close to the comic when it comes to gadgets,moves,death of aside kick and costume I hope Gunns batman is unrealistic as hell in this new universe.

[@nickjcirillo]

Keaton fights scenes in the flash is spot on

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

I love musicals. The problem with Joker 2 isn’t that it’s a musical. The problem is that it’s a musical that’s embarrassed about being a musical and a comic book movie that’s embarrassed about being a comic book movie. When you have a musical comic book movie whose director has outright stated that it’s not a musical and who distances himself from DC whenever possible, you’ve got a problem.

[@Optimegatrongodzilla]

I can't stand directors, producers, & writers who are ashamed of the fantastical elements of these properties and/or don't care about being true to the source material! People like that should stay the f@@@ away from our beloved IPs and create their own!

[@SilvLocs]

Batman needs to be grounded. He’s that grounded piece of foundation in an out of this world insane universe

[@batmantrill1180]

At least Batman and robin had some kind of respect for the source material.

[@sheriffkimbo]

Hey man, really enjoyed this. Given you a subscribe. You're right, it's mad to me that people want to limit Batman to something so serious when, objectively speaking, he looks like an idiot if you put him in the 'real' world, no matter how much of a badass he is. Now, do not get this twisted, I absolutely love The Batman and The Penguin, and am happy to see more in its own contained universe. But I saw an article recently praising Matt Reeves and The Penguin for doing it without the fantastical side, saying, "See, it can be done!"... um, yeah, there is The Godfather, Goodfellas, Casino, Scarface, The Sopranos and so on. Don't really need The Penguin to show us that gangster shows can be great.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I get that making Batman grounded & realistic would get your Batman movie an Oscar nomination, but like… he’s Batman. Where’s the silly villains like Condiment King. Where’s the Colorful costumes with Blue Spandex. Where’s the White Eyes. I want a live action Batman movie where he’s hanging out with the Bat Family, including Ace the Bat Hound. Its weird how the “realistic” Batman movies are more goofy & dumb, when the source material & other media makes him an actually grounded character. And those were silly.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

PREACH. The grounded-in-reality approach to Batman has now stagnated Batman as a character. It strips too much away from him both intellectually and combatively so the writers can justify that the mob and serial killer-type villains can stand a chance against the watered-down Batman. This is why Batman films need to evolve in some fashion. Nolan did the grounded-in reality to perfection it's time to do the same with some fantastical elements. Stop giving his brain to Lucius or Barbara like he's Ninja James Bond, who needs a Q. He is his own Q. Batman should be Ninja/Samurai/Shaolin Doc Savage. In my opinion, Batman and Supernatural/Lovecraftian cosmic horror mysteries are made for each other as it takes him out of his element. It allows him to be at his finest as a warrior and a super genius polymathic intellectual while keeping him close to his roots as the world's greatest detective. Writers today aren't fans of Batman and his world but are fans of what Batman’s world can do for their careers.

[@OdaNobunaga15]

Animated/Arkham universe >> every other Batman universe

[@PostCrisisRH]

I’m tired of Jason showing up in the Batfamily, he should no longer be apart of it after he died as Robin and should be on shaky ground with them. Keep him as his own vigilante instead of the “flip flopping angsty” Robin like New 52 and Rebirth does with him.