The Problem with Competitive UniVersus

[@ItsJustCdawg]

being on the bubble can be rough but the top cut wasn't as clear as just everyone id'd Ricky and Adam took a risky id in the final round that very possible could have put them out (they assumed the risk of doing it cause the tables around said they would be better playing) Thomas won his last game and jumped him up Johnathan took an id with the 1st seed and risked it as well at that point it was just when the loss happened and strength of schedule personally i think its not a great take to have on this events standings it diminishes the records of those that played in the event by saying them taking a draw means they shouldn't be their over yourself for the record i finished in 3rd in Swiss both of my draws were round 3/4 and then i went on a win and in scenario so i dont like the consensus that all the draws is what defined the placements on day one ive personally taken some really tough losses Such as my run at nationals and it left me truly defeated and at other events ive been on the bubble as well but i dont think the right way to vent that frustration is to discredit the work of others on their journey for a game to fix intentional draws just leads to bad actors and collusion do i think the system is perfect No i do not but its the one we have as of right now on the points for collusion you should be calling that out when it happens i hope to see your Ghadorah deck list soon as we didnt see each other in swiss the journey ends when you stop moving forward

[@dankayur2910]

My apologies. I have taken the time to verify your claims and it appears I was a little hasty in comparing this situation to the nationals before last. It would seem that draws, in fact, only decided the majority of this top cut and that you, in particular, have my respect for breaking through. Something that I know, from experience, is no easy feat. As regards people being over myself, obviously at least half of those that took draws would still be if games had played out to any other conclusion. This is not about me thinking I deserve anyone's place as I did not go into this event expecting to win in the first place. Rather, this was initially meant to highlight my issues with the system and how it pushes players so close to the line (in my case tenth going into round 6) only for their efforts in the last round not to matter. Upon reflection, however, while my issue is not with any individual, I don't actually think it should be controversial to say that the people who played 6 matches put more work into their journey.

[@MitchellPierson]

So you say it was clear that intentional draws were an issue, but also that the intentional draws that he was was speaking about were not an issue he should be upset about? If it were to happen in any other sport/competition, they'd be banned. Simple as that.

[@thomashorrocks7063]

The final round i had to play vs Kai we where both 3-1-1 our game matterd a lot to both of us my only match loss was to Steven who did amazing so me and you may have had the same score but my opponent win % was just better in the end. Saying that the final means nothing is completly false.

[@Mirioman]

I think he nice try promo is fricking hilarious.

[@Mr_Merk92]

I don't think you're really understanding the weighting of SoS here. Where you place within swiss when on the same record has little to nothing to do with when you took the draw or even the loss, it is based off the combined performance of the people you played. The reason an early loss seems to weigh more than a later loss is because the players you play against will then all be x-1 thus when you beat them they will be x-2 at best versus losing to someone in a later round will drop down to x-1. So it weighs the "quality" of the player you played based on the record in the event. Whatever my personal opinions might be on IDs, they are something that can't feesibly be removed without removing draws from the game completely, which is also something I don't feel can happen.

[@ThatGuyNamedSix]

This. I had a player at a PSC beat me and him being my only loss, my tiebreakers were higher because of him as the other X-1 faced him last round.

[@TheTravelingMerchant199]

That sounds really dumb bro. Part of the reason I took a break from yugioh was dumb stuff like this, decks being op to the point new players like me can't compete unless I buy thousands of dollars of cards to stay meta relevant, does this ccg have the same problem or just people at regional being a bunch of dummy's? Cause I had my fair share of that when I went to my regional a few months back, I was there for fun and somewhat competitive but others were so serious it took the fun out.

[@dankayur2910]

Fortunately, top tier decks do not come even close to that price in this game and, while staple URs can hit mid double digits, they neither make up the majority of decks nor fall out of favour quickly. So, even if characters change, if you stay on the same symbols, you can keep playing the same money cards for some time. Plus, as the vast amount of Godzilla characters towards the top of this event showed, even precon characters can be powerhouses. So there's very little money in who fronts the deck unless you're looking to max out rarity. My gripe with the competitive scene is entirely in how vastly differently it handles incorrect determination of an outcome from games like YuGiOh and Magic and how mean-spirited some of the promos can come across when you're already feeling sore.

[@TheTravelingMerchant199]

Something I notices looking at the uvs ultra website the decks you mention with rodan and godzilla and such have 4 copies in them of cards that range from 30 cents to 6 dollars a piece to one I saw was 20 a piece. That doesn't seem very cheap to me unless I am looking in the wrong places.

[@yunathesheep]

Shame to see you get so close to top 8 they really need to change how things happen in tournaments this isnt the first time it happens a thing really need to be changed players should not be able to choose to forfit and make it a draw. I know yugioh gives players a straight up ban if players even offer to give a draw and anything similer

[@Mirioman]

They incentivise playing through by giving choice of turn in top cuts to the person who has higher seed so ID is potentially forefitting a huge advantage. As someone this has happened to twice as well im fine with it. Fact is unless you are close to unbeaten or unbeaten taking ID still comes with risks.