The Problem With Gray Zone Warfares Meta

Gray Zone Warfare has one meta gun that rules them all. The M4 and the Mk18 which are essentially the same. Madfinger Games still has a long way to go if they want to someone balance the available choices in this game. Otherwise we will all end up only playing the best weapon in the future.
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[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

Don't ask yourself why Madfinger did some things, a lot of what was decided to be implemented, can be categorized as "the most illogical decisions combined in one game". - Same LZ for all 3 factions, knowing they would be enemies. - Create a shortage of available choppers, guess what will happen at the LZ's... - Create quests that can only be completed by finding unfindable keys with a drop rate so low, aliens have a higher chance of visiting earth before you find one. - Create the impossibility to share quests in squads, meaning every squad member needs to kill x amount of enemies or the boss, separately, while at the same time, enemies respawn only after 30 min. Combine that with different factions doing the same quests, at the same spot and you create another shortage with hordes of enemies on pvp. - Make players sit out a chopper ride of 6 minutes to the most distant locations with the horrible, deafening sound of choppers, not even able to speak to one another. - Make the contents of found bags not lootable. To loot a bag, you must throw your own bag to the ground, pick the found one up, throw stuff out, throw the found one on the ground, pick yours back up, pick up the thrown out items.... - Create AI bots that will perforate your body (while praying to the Lord not to get headshotted for once) while wearing the most expensive top tier armour, with the cheapest low tier ammo. While not letting players to perforate that same armour, with the most expensive top tier ammo, of enemy AI. - Let players buy scopes that can target enemies at long distance, but let AI have the ablility to return fire at long distance with hipfiring headshots. - Create helmets but make AI wearing none, withstand multiple headshots. The most horrific thing is, I do like the game, like...a lot ... O.o

[@Jackal326]

This. 100% this. Someone send this to ButterFing...I mean MadFinger games right now...

[@freighttrain7143]

I am in the exactly same position. An infant could point out really DUMB things in the existing DESIGN. And as bad as it is, I still enjoy playing the good parts between the utter bullshit. Things like the amount of damage an 7.62 AK round does to a guy who's wearing Level X Tan Chest Skin LOL, are not the kind of thing a dev should MONKEY AROUND WITH for balance reasons. It has to be within a fairly tight range, or else your supposed MILSIM immediately become a JOKE, an ARCADE SILLINESS SHOOTER that only claims to be a MILSIM. The second effect of that is that it effectively renders the Starter Town where your newest players are trying to get a grip on how the game works, to BY FAR the hardest place to survive. IT COMPLETELY BREAKS BALANCE AND FUN. The best way to have fun is to somehow survive the broken mechanics in the starter town and go to other POIs where your money level will let you use M4 all the time even if you lose a few, and suddenly the game starts to ACTUALLY balance out. Instead its not unusual to mag dump a guy in the starter town, and he just wont fall over or really do anything but flinch and blood spatter, then shoot back. You get the feedback of him reacting to BEING shot(which confirms you HIT him... OVER AND OVER), but you get the otherwordly reaction of him not running for cover, or falling, or dying/losing consciousness. These things(damage per round type that HITS) are not CODE. They are sliders. Single number values. If I was the dev, I could change this in one day of settings change, test, release. But people have complained about this OBVIOUSLY FAKE AND UNREALISTIC behavior for months now. The dev has done NOTHING. This tells you 2 things for certain. ONE of these, must be true: 1. The Dev has a poor understanding of how a milsim, or any kind of sim, should work OR 2. The Dev does not care about what we want or about making a realistic gun combat game. ONE of those MUST be true. Because they could have so EASILY fixed this in 1/60th the amount of time that they have. Things like the bots NEEDING to not be able to see and shoot you through bushes is important, but I do get that coding that, and balancing it with performance hits of all those calculations, IS challenging. But simple damage figure adjustments such that the AK, pistols and shotguns are not COMPLETELY USELESS PILLOW THROWING TOYS, is not. The Dev just doesn't care, or is WILDLY incompetent. ONE of those MUST be true. I personally think they don't care, and will be very slow to update anything, because the sales figures basically put them on the beach and they are too drunk or drugged out to care anymore. Madfinger recently celebrated publicly having had 900,000 people buy the basic package($35) and 450,000 people have bought the supporter edition($100). Do the math. They are SET FOR LIFE, even if they never touch this project again, and MOST people do not have the willpower to finish a long and complex project, YEARS AFTER being compensated RICHLY for it already. Why wouldn't they just walk away from it or hand it over to a handful of new developer staff who have to spend months learning how to edit anything? It explains for me why it takes so INCREDIBLY long for them to change even the smallest things, and why (Patch 5.2 for example) they release an update that makes the game completely unplayable with horrible lag, constant crashes and lost gear, etc... they ended up having to simply remove the patch and roll back to an older version, which took them about a day,....and they never caught that in testing first? It was so obvious. It highlighted that the patch had definitely not been playtested before release. I do believe it's because the actual dev is on a beach somewhere, and a newbie skeleton crew is trying to reverse engineer what he built in private and sold to Early Access because he ran off with the money. LOL it's NOT a good scenario for the customer, even if there are traces of fun gameplay in there with all that crap.

[@Dawird]

Man, I love this game but you said every single thing that bugged me

[@Threaldaveoss]

The thing is.... If it is more milsim like Madfinger claim. The M4 platform is the superior platform. They chose the higher velocity smaller projectile. That being said there should be no reason the Mosin and M700 shouldn't be dropping people 1 shot centre mass.

[@sgxxbruce9878]

guns are bad until they are in AI's hand. AI one tape me with Vz 61 is just ridiculous.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

Hahahaha, indeed my man, I've been headshotted from 300m by hipfiring AI whiole using the most advanced scopes in game. That's why sniping is useless, AI needs to do one thing to hit you, just look at you, they got special powa that's for sure.

[@Bass_Nomad.]

yes the m4 / mk18 with a 1-6 scope is basically all you need, it can perform any role, i found the dedicated sniper guns pretty useless, as u will need a back up gun and they don't excel at their intended use. same goes for the sidearm ( glock / p51) they feel like a bb gun, even with the best possible bullets and aiming for the head from short range I wasn't able to kill a level 2 ai.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

A sniper rifle is only good at the first shot and even that doesn't kill them mostly since you'll take a sniper versus armoured soldiers. After that, gl with their Matrix moves to fire another headshot.

[@reidcacaro2919]

Gray zone just makes me wish tarkov devs weren’t shit heads but I’m not going back until they right their wrongs. With that being said gray zone has a lot of room to grow.

[@Goodbois1]

Grayzone needs to grow a lot. But if it does it will be (in my opinion) a better game than tarkov ever can

[@reidcacaro2919]

@@Goodbois1 I hope so, it certainly has the potential to be.

[@MyLonewolf25]

Being realistic that’s true to real life. Under 600m there’s no real benefits to anything that’s not an m4

[@MyLonewolf25]

Also the issues with the vz61 and shotguns are known to the developer This is still very early access

[@neobaggins3718]

I’ll just say, it’s early in its early access release. When you choose to deeply simulate health systems and weapon ballistics, you get unexpected behavior that takes time and effort to balance. Particularly when you’re also trying to make a realistic experience within those simulated parameters. Most games are as simple as: Player has 100 health. Bullet does 50 damage. 10x damage on head hit box, 5x damage on center mass. Body armor/helmet reduces incoming damage by 100% for one hit. GZW is simulating bullet trajectory shift/destabilization when passing through barriers, ricochets off solids and water, simulates temporary wound cavities within the player and AI, simulates vascular and tissue damage that can lead to delayed deaths in players and AI, simulates armor with degradation. All of this complexity introduces the potential for errors. Coupled with other early access foibles, common to games of the genre and others (overly skilled AI, network desync and latency issues, etc) and you have an experience that ranges from amazing to insanely frustrating. The good news is MFG is one of the most active devs I’ve ever seen. They’re constantly fixing stuff, breaking stuff, fixing it again, which is what game dev and early access is all about. If you’re not breaking things, you’re not innovating enough.

[@Goodbois1]

I agree that over time things will get better! But M855A1 is also just a better round than all the other rounds for the AK

[@redfalconvfx7050]

as a solo sniper in GZW... your right... AR rifles are better in all ranges. that is why I always keep 25x, 6x, and a 1x scope in my lock box so I only have to change scope. If I have to do CQB I use 1 or 2x sight other then that mostly I use 6, 25x

[@RoccoMapua]

1. It's the pre-alpha, so likely weapons aren't in a state where the developer has planned to have them. 2. There are other things I would likely fix first, foremost of these would be the absolutely horseshit AI. 3. The game needs ways to encourage group play and group formation and in a way, discourage solo play. So they need to fix missions where you have to kill a boss to be awarded to the whole group, and then create queues and mechanics for people to look for and join groups on their server. LFG - Location - Quest selection would be great. example: LFG - Fort Narith - Fort Narith Stroll. The system can then group you up with people operating in the same area and/or on the same quest. Maybe after that, guns can be fixed, but I'm really hoping that the level of granularity with ammo and armor does not go the way of Tarkov where you need the best, endgame ammo if you want to get anywhere. That will ruin PVP because all an endgame group has to do is drop into a place like Ban Pa and camp the newbies coming in. In short, non-endgame stuff still needs to pose a threat, even if it is diminished slightly, otherwise it will go the way of Tarkov again where life will be hell if you get left behind.

[@JonMyers-hf8js]

You're are spot on with the ammo comment! Lower tiered ammo should still be very dangerous.

[@PsyTramper]

​@@JonMyers-hf8js5,56 HPBT oneshots every helmet in the game and has huge cavity damage. It's absolutely underrated as low tier round.

[@Bass_Nomad.]

wtf discourage solo play because you have a squad? solo players have it hard enough already, trust me when i say that a squad levels a lot faster. you could solo the boss and do the rest of the missions with your squad, but probably its too hard for you. i like to solo as i don't have a squad to play with, and i am not really interested in a squad either.

[@Darkdiver28]

I think the dmg system needs some work. They did have problems when you shoot AI in the head they still live because their "brains" didnt get damaged.

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

Well, if they're shooting FMJ, the cheapest AP ammo in game, hs's should result in the same versus players which isn't the case.. Whatever type they're firing at your top tier helmet, it's a ticket straight to base camp.

[@BIG_CHOP]

that is just reality the m4 as platform is the most versatile weapon in the world snipers need a buff as well as grenades a well placed 5.56 will kill anything

[@thorsmith59]

This isn't a problem at all! In real life it's the same way. M4/AR15 is head and shoulders above AK's so it's a pleasure to see a game somewhat reflecting real life. I do see an issue however with the M700. It's likely an issue with the ammo as there are only 2 types.

[@Goodbois1]

There are more than 2 types. The M700 has access to M80, M80A1, M61 and HPBT

[@PeterPetermann]

even with M855A1 i don't one-tab npc in the chest - usually it takes 3 to 4 rounds

[@ProdigyKenpachi]

They need to bring in more ammo types into the game as well as maybe buff the AKs in the game. Also guns aside they need add uniforms that is factions specific.

[@TastyDizaster]

Agreed scorpion is particularly upsetting. The rail adapter doesn't accept any muzzle device or fire grip, the found in raid only suppressor isn't compatible with it and the ammo for it is garbage. Seriously half cooked decision to release the gunplay in this state. If your gonna release with only a handful of weapons at least r lease the ammo to make it viable with it, that's not "additional content" that's bare minimum

[@eszrah5129]

I imagine they put a lot of initial resources into the M4 so that we would have 1 fully built weapon system, then once that was done they did just enough on the rest. More will come in time dont sweat it imo.

[@Goodbois1]

oh I am sure more will come with time. And when it does, I will cover it here :)

[@wirbel988]

THANK GOD someone else says it, when i hit lvl41 i quit cuz theres nothing else to do

[@Einuhreins]

This game has simulated Organs. Only shots in the Brain and Heart are Oneshot-Kill.

[@Goodbois1]

the lungs can die oneshot too.

[@azntactical4884]

Well, I shot an AI in the face with an decked out ak and still survived unless it was a shot to the back of the head. Other than that, no helmet AI are pretty much one shot to the head.

[@cup0fjoe_788]

Bullshit…I literally was killed with nothing but shots to my hand and arm

[@dougwall675]

I love this game. But as it sits, if it wasnt for money dupers passing out bags of cash to most players, the community would be very small.

[@Goodbois1]

I doubt it. I never picked up duped money and still enjoy it

[@wavys2543]

dang, your game runs WAY too well, looks like an entirely different software to mine LOL

[@JBLMotovlogs]

But would a real soilder use an m700 for a 200m shot into sawmill... no its like that because thats what its like

[@bonnnetwork]

I 100% the game not long ago and i can overlook literally everything but the quest system. It needs a bottom to top rework, the overabundance of fetch quests is annoying. And the fact quest items are physical objects you can hold onto. I found myself just buying a minimal load out, grabbing the quest and then killing myself just so i didn't have to wait for a ride to to back to base. Because the extraction system is also poorly designed

[@dougwall675]

I hope they add the hk416

[@hazardpay8560]

I'll counter with this I do not deny that the AR's are superior as far as damage output and control. I merely offer that the AK-74N, properly furnished is 'close enough' to the AR performance that I can work around the difference. For the willingness to tolerate the deficiencies, I am rewarded with nearly limitless ammo when I'm out in the POI's Yeah I know that the CQA1 bots at the higher tier POI's are carrying M855 which will stretch the MK18 user's field time, but there's vastly more 5.45 to be had while out and about. (with maybe the exception of Fort Narith , whose bots seem to have a nearly equal distribution between 5.56 and 5.45) Other than that, yeah it's a lil boring seeing nothing but the exact same MK18 on players I desperately want pistols and shotguns to do good damage, and I would love to see more SMGs

[@Goodbois1]

yes, I just want more diversity in what players use :)

[@CoIocho]

Pistols, shotguns and snipers in GZW are totallly useless...

[@PsyTramper]

Had a great time in PvP with the "totally useless" Mosin yesterday. Just don't run around like you would wielding an AR.

[@emperoroak7331]

@@PsyTramperin PvP is good , for PVE is bad, I always rat with sniper on LZ , but when I bored I grab AK74 or Mk18 and fight other players in YBL or Ban Pa or Fort Narith

[@lechendary]

no way goodbois upload????

[@brucekhamp6859]

HOW DOES YOUR GAMEPLAY LOOK SO GOOD & SMOOTH?!???

[@Goodbois1]

really high graphics settings and very ridicoulous recording settings :)

[@Janman815]

At this time, pistols and shotguns are utterly useless.

[@basey456]

WHY DOES YOUR GAME LOOK SO GOOD is that 240 hs

[@Goodbois1]

Max graphics settings, ridiculously high recording bitrates and some editing magic :)

[@balthasar7282]

The guns are busted. Either the guns are or the AI armor cause when I wear armor I get one tapped and they tank like 10 rounds

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

The hit registration is off imo as well. But like you said, wearing the mosty expensive armour, you'll still die to the most cheapest ammo.

[@jonathanpotter1745]

P R E - A L P H A………… Can you read 😂 I feel like so many people have been disappointed with a bunch of recent games and they’re being over critical early on. Most of this stuff is being worked on as we speak. Remember everyone of KZbin are trying to get paid.

[@cinematiccrab7042]

same shit with glock lol

[@thylacine123]

This game has great potential but sadly lots of massive design issues. Devs talk a lot like they know what they are doing yet they release a game neuteured by very simple economy, QoL, and balance problems that should have been foreseen there is no excuse. Working cheats can already be purchased for the game and people are in fact using them in PvP servers. The game is its current state has failed to ride the hype wave that it tried to ride as an EFT alternative and will never recover. I have a lost a lot of hope for the game due to this bc games like this entirely depend on health of playerbase.

[@kopfjager6995]

Lmao stfu dude it literally just came out and is still in alpha like ready or not and eft back then. You can talk like you know it all when that don't matter since anyone can read a forum. You don't like it don't play it or make your own game

[@tommyscars7966]

It's not technically released, and the only reason we got it as early as we did is because a shit ton of people got pissed because streamers got to play for a week to preview the game. So to mitigate the uproar they gave an EA version of the game with only 20% of projected content. This is what happens when people get impatient and jealous.

[@Goodbois1]

I haven't lost hope. I am sure the game will gradually improve and turn out great

[@milanmottl8983]

Yeah, there was the hype from streamers and with the shit around EFT they just went for it. When they first started the development they expected like 50 000 sold copies. In reality they sold 1 000 000. I also hope it will get better but from the developers side it is not a fail... it is a massive success.

[@soap_exe2003]

what is your pc build your settings look so clean

[@Goodbois1]

Ryzen 7 7700X 7900XTX 32GB DDR5 Ram (6000mhz)

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@Goodbois1 Full AMD, just like me, I like that. Can I ask you why you didn't buy the 7800X3D while being so close?

[@Goodbois1]

@@Yoda300YearsAgo Because the X3D was not available yet when I build the PC (also its a bit slower for certain tasks that are important to me)

[@Yoda300YearsAgo]

@@Goodbois1 Ok, clear, thanks.

[@jeprodigalson792]

Waiting too long for updates.

[@REZZILIENCE]

Dudes say 60rnd mag is meta. Same dudes reload after using 10 bullets. Me using 32rnd mag semi auto and using most bullets per engagement before reloading. Reloading faster, lighter gun, can sprint more. Yes keep using the 60rnd mag. When TTK is low AF

[@milanmottl8983]

Hope you have enough time to reload when there are 5 AIs around you eating bullets. The guy with the bigger mag can spray them. You don't need 60 bullets often but when you do you are happy you got this big mag.

[@guido69x]

I really dont get it why theres so many "content creators" making a lot of videos about a game that is just in Pre Alpha!!! Just to cry about it?Just to point out the obvious that everyone allready knows???About the time the game will be finished and ready,the community will be allready tyred of all of this!!!

[@francesco3772]

Devs fucked up some basic ass design choices, kinda inexcusable

[@Goodbois1]

I make content about the game because I like it.

[@FrAsSBrAsS]

Money

[@Goodbois1]

@@FrAsSBrAsS This channel here is not monetized, my main channel is. By making videos on this channel instead of my main, I am actually missing out on money.

[@guido69x]

@@Goodbois1 no 1 asked!!! 😂