The Problem with Website Redesigns...

[@DarKF1093]

This is why I set my browser scaling to 80% with default zoom at 90%, it's the only way to avoid these gigantic UI elements

[@aryan6779]

I set it to 67% its the best experience you can get.

[@zai-tm]

i use 75%

[@P1utia]

Me too i use either 90% or 80% depending on the resolution

[@Pronimator]

I always used to have discord on 67% but I just realized I must use it everyhwere

[@lemonadesnake]

if you're talking about youtube, just get Good Old KZbin from the Chrome Web Store

[@smart_bar]

It's very good that someone is talking about these things!

[@wells_6494]

yes this is a problem

[@dudaydevera5933]

...

[@Turbs94945]

Thank god someone is addressing this. I miss the old days where computers were computers and minimalism never existed.

[@axethepenguin]

I’m sure minimalism existed, but it just got more intense I guess. P.S. WHY KZbin WHY DID U HAVE TO REMOVE THE CUSTOM CHANNEL PAGE WHYYYY

[@user-lz5kh3un8z]

mobile = bad

[@Barrelopds89]

@@user-lz5kh3un8z 3:

[@dotcomboom]

You make good points in this video. Companies are going for a "mobile-first" approach to their site designs now, even where it's not really necessary. What's especially ironic is that mobile layouts themselves are way heavier now than they were a few years ago because of it. We've gotta bring back WAP, lads...

[@proximitea]

"We've gotta bring back WAP, lads..." 2 months later, that sounds so wrong...

[@dotcomboom]

ethansrobloxaccount1 Wow. Thanks, space-time continuum!

[@thenoobplayer6798]

@@proximitea *..yes*

[@hmm279]

what is wap

[@ruler_of_everything]

"We've gotta bring back WAP, lads..." -dotcomboom, 2020

[@Fusorf]

Bless the algorithm, I've been binging your channel today, quality content !

[@CybernerdShua]

I read that as "bing"ing

[@proximitea]

1:53 XD | You are now my favorite KZbinr, I started watching your videos yesterday and it encouraged me to make my Windows 10 PC look and feel more like Windows 7.

[@lemonadesnake]

Umm if you have windows 10 2004 or higher, don't bother

[@SilverSkip]

@@lemonadesnake ummm why?

[@lemonadesnake]

@@SilverSkip it wont work

[@flippantunicorn3223]

To be honest, the biggest gripe I have with website redesigns is that they're always slower. I hate how slow the web is getting! People used to say "you can do light web browsing...." about cheap computers, but nowadays, your computer can crush Microsoft Word but struggle with basic articles.

[@intel386DX]

The old UI is made for 4:3, and new one is auto detect 4:3, 16:9 or what ever are the proportions.

[@SydeLeaderRay]

You make the type of content I watched back in my Freshman year of High School! Got yourself a new subscriber!

[@lautarosoriano4608]

could someone send the extension link to restore the old KZbin layout? Thank you

[@Nurutomo]

1366x768 and 1280x720 screens when viewing those pages, there are no unused space on the new UI

[@sfjlajgeoiuet]

idk why, but using the new yt layout is hard to use on a laptop touchscreen.

[@lordkekz4]

Yeah, also it glitches out with hover states showing after you stop touching the screen (at least on the latest FF).

[@kantraa]

thats why i use good old youtube

[@worldwidecs242]

lol

[@Jmax4383]

6:46 How do you have the old video player?

[@FSM_Reviews]

5:17. When you're signed in, the "BEST OF KZbin" section is entirely replaced by your subscriptions list.

[@trapscripting8475]

😂 I love it when he's almost breaking down when giving the final critique at the end of his videos... Like someone's gonna get a beating

[@aetvrna]

dude upgrade windows but not to 10 do 8.1 with classicshell edit: its been renamed openshell edit 2: it gets rid of horrible startscreen

[@ivyflow3r]

he wont, and i wont upgrade from windows 7 too

[@ivyflow3r]

@@parabeetlefrommario i actually disabled windows update and i am not using any antivirus

[@aetvrna]

@@ivyflow3r stay safe from the computerviruses

[@ivyflow3r]

@@aetvrna never got them since forever ago

[@ivyflow3r]

@@aetvrna i actually never gotten an antivirus alert for an actual viruses, it was false positive 100% of the time, for example when i tried to download finobe, i got that stupid message

[@SOSteele1987]

Hmmm, for guys wondering. He uses a Firefox theme for Waterfox Classic which supports all websites

[@user-0r67h2wdhu]

umm how did u get the old layout? i tried it it dont work anymore

[@nyoooom]

holy shit this video is everything I've been thinking for months

[@VDani16]

In my personal opinion I like way more the new designs, BUT you make a good point with the PC screen sizes and the control with K&M. The new designs are good, but it needs more work to optimize it for desktop. So the design itself is better and making platforms closer to each other is also good, but they forgot about the controls and the waste of space.

[@enzoduvernay4540]

What is the version of Firefox that u're using in this video?

[@LittleKingsOfficial]

Congrats on 1k subs :D

[@lemonadesnake]

Looks like youtube forgot about removing the old theme, because its still here. Besides, if it actually does happen people have made alternatives such as making the new layout look like the old one with custom css

[@nanika2566]

Thank you! Most people don't care about these things... but I do; my desktop is not a mobile phone, and websites shouldn't treat it as one. You're also right about loading times. I don't know what they did, but these new designs are slower than before, and how old my desktop is isn't the problem.

[@AyushSingh-js3rf]

You can Use 'KZbin Redux Chrome extension" for Old Classic User Interface

[@r3n846]

If you like the look of older Firefox, you should try Waterfox Classic with Classic Theme Restorer. It's still updated, supports the extensions that allow you to get the old KZbin UI back, and more compatible than whatever version of Firefox you use in the video.

[@TrigrZolt]

Funny thing is I actually did that during the video and way back as well.

[@r3n846]

I used to use the useragent override method of getting the old KZbin UI back, but ever since KZbin broke that, I've been using a extension, which can be finicky, but gets the old, superior UI back.

[@windowsraspberry7476]

@@TrigrZolt what version of firefox do you use

[@lemonadesnake]

You can get the old Twitter layout (kinda, its an edit of the new layout) with a tampermonkey script, its really good and has lots of options like adding back the legacy ui for profile pages

[@NathanDarkson984]

The fact that you're using the old Firefox in 2020, really surprises me

[@Ben-uu7hz]

Ya, but he is also using windows 7 after it end of life.

[@parabeetlefrommario]

FIREFOX GANG

[@wc2006]

no, in his windows tierlist video i noticed that the firefox icon was not the firefox icon, it was the waterfox icon (a web browser based on firefox)

[@seanhamilton4169]

3:02 *new layout

[@kundasemkundatam7461]

I have to use Facebook with new UI on 80% scale because it's all so big that actual posts in feed can hardly fit on screen with 100% scale. Only advantage of new UI on any website is that they add dark/night mode to it (which they could have done with old UI as it's just CSS and cookies).

[@ArcticArca]

did you use youtube redux or another extension?

[@cdmaster992]

"Rocco, put your tail down"

[@chefordinaryz5760]

There is a site similar to KZbin but with the old layout from 2005-2011 called VidLii and in some cases it's actually better than KZbin.

[@FSM_Reviews]

I don't know if this makes sense, but the larger UI in both Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 feels more "cozy" than Windows 7 and previous operating systems.

[@user-0r67h2wdhu]

Tf you mean by "cozy"

[@FSM_Reviews]

@@user-0r67h2wdhu Comfortable to use.

[@user-0r67h2wdhu]

@@FSM_Reviews Not really, Windows 10 and 8.1 was never comfortable to use

[@MosesKFrost-qn2sm]

You know you can use Google Chrome and hit [CTRL] and scroll down to minimize and fit more on the screen everything right?

[@wc2006]

but youtube forces thumbnails to be suuuupeeeerrr big

[@neoqueto]

Are bigger thumbnails all that bad though? Pretty sure it's good for creators who can take advantage of more real estate, it allows them to create more catchy and informative thumbnails. It's mainly a change in focus... Instead of having an overwhelming number of video suggestions you have fewer but higher quality suggestions. It's also better for hover preview. Scrolling isn't really that bad either, if you know a thing or two about UX design then you're familiar with infinite scroll. But I agree that two columns would be better in many cases. Besides, on ultra wide and 4K you do get 6 thumbnails per row. And the subscriptions page is much more dense. The thing about UX... At first glance users hate it. But... turns out that it usually works. It's common to improve user experience despite users disliking the changes, even though it sounds counter-intuitive. It's not always good to take up white space! It's often very necessary to respect it. Large paddings improve readability, clarity and help reduce visual clutter. Bigger buttons reduce misclicks. If your website is tedious to look at, it might be pragmatic, but users will spend less time on it. And I know that it sounds like they've simply overdone it, but that's not true, trust me, those people who designed it are world class experts in what they're doing. Before you laugh at me calling them experts, think if you have enough expertise in the field to judge their work. Yeah, you can hate the new UI, most people can hate how it looks, feels, etc, but guess what - it works for KZbin, it really does. And likely works for you as well, without you knowing. There's a lot of psychology involved under the hood. Trends are shifting, mobile is now the "familiar" experience for most people.

[@pantelonis]

What version of firefox are you using because its old and old versions are better

[@gamingwithnoor158]

bro your KZbin algorithm is GOATED

[@thecollinanderson]

When I first went on the new twitter layout I thought I somehow went on a mobile site.

[@FGZPYR]

i had an old twitter plugin exactly for that reason, they made the site horrible. plugin made site slow as hell on my fucktard laptop though so i had to get used to this site.

[@worldwidecs242]

lol

[@LloydLynx]

Windows 8 might not be that practical, but it was themed pretty well.

[@DohiMissed344]

1:58 what stepping on a lego feels like

[@creeperYT9824]

I just bought a laptop a couple weeks ago, should i get these extensions?

[@nyathea]

Yes

[@EEverything360]

How did you get the older layout with the same link?

[@animerror]

hey can you tell me what version of firefox u use?

[@greatcanadianmoose3965]

Here's the big difference between the two layouts. The new one was made for 16:9 screens (modern) and the old one for 4:3 (old crt) screens. Personally I like 4:3 but unfortunately, websites are really not optimized for it. So I don't.

[@Itsoof478]

How were you able to get the old firefox UI?

[@computerguy2846]

I am used to the new layout it is very good it looks like for tablets&mobile phones but it is good for desktop as well :)

[@wc2006]

no its not good for desktops stupid are you trying to defend the ceo of youtube that has bad ideas

[@namesurname4666]

5:10 i have more than 1000 subscriptions , it doesn't even count after XD

[@davr1]

Same, I've always wondered if it automatically unsubscribes when I go over the limit

[@NourMostafa_Productions]

what extension did you use

[@JustusBuum]

How did you get the old player (the one in the video where it's black I have seen that the last time in like 2014)

[@XPBytez]

What addon do you use and what Firefox version?

[@OldManBill1]

@TrigrZolt twitter and Facebook look rediculous on my 27 inch iMac. the page is in the middle and it just white on the left and right sides. why not make separate versions for different devices?

[@user-lz5kh3un8z]

they probably don't have mac

[@maxmigliore8691]

what is that extension that you use to get the old KZbin layout

[@wc2006]

Good Old KZbin maybe when it still worked and possibly another thing to get the old yt logo

[@LimsExPress]

I don't like the bigger video player on large screens because the player is SO big. What's the point of the theater mode then? If I wanted to make it bigger then I use the theater mode...

[@LimsExPress]

So your opinion at 6:48 is wrong :)

[@LimsExPress]

And the old Twitter layout was so slow and bloated so I like the new layout better.

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

@@LimsExPress huh the new layout loads slower for me

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

I completely agree, the browser tells sites to load the mobile or desktop version, and I feel like youtube might remove that too... and only keep the mobile version.

[@hmm279]

how did you get the old video player design?

[@dorianplayerone]

where do we get it?

[@thebestgamer5248]

I mean you could just hold down control and scroll to zoom out the page on youtube

[@RavenholmZombie]

I remember when we could have custom channel backgrounds with large banners that could be mapped to have clickable buttons. Cosmic Panda was good. KZbin's current UI is crap and poorly optimized. I have a really good PC and KZbin still lags.

[@lloyd26]

How is KZbin's current UI bad when it is actually modern, cleaner, and has uniformity than before where going to channels will have a different background?

[@Robotition]

Bro you gotta do a tutorial on how you get the old designs like on Firefox

[@wc2006]

you can use waterfox classic and rebrand it to firefox and install classic theme restorer

[@AtikiN239]

What about Facebook new layout?

[@RavenholmZombie]

The only good things about Facebook's new UI are Dark Mode and some optimization.

[@ruler_of_everything]

the facebook what

[@simon-ricardokuhn1713]

A VERY good example is deviantART's atrocious new Eclipse design that has replaced the long-living old style. Despite it getting alot of backlash from the community, they didn't care and forced us to use this instead.

[@Jimiscool88]

LOL MAN I LIKE WHERE THE PC IMAGE YOU GOT IS FROM A DELL VOSTRO 260 AND I HAVE THAT COMPUTER AND I USE IT AS MY DAILY DRIVER

[@core-hacked]

why are you on win 7?

[@techatharva]

I love the old youtube and twitter layout. The new layout is just trash.

[@pengy1242]

Although you do make good points in this video, lots of us have realized that interfaces have been switching to more mobile interface. We've seen this happen to Reddit, KZbin, MacOS, ChromeOS, Windows. It's weird how this is what we're changing to but I don't really mind it because I've been used to it for years

[@DatGamerYolo]

whats the extension

[@JmKirbyiou]

why are you using old version of firefox?

[@TrigrZolt]

Skinned version of waterfox

[@JmKirbyiou]

TrigrZolt oh ok

[@Justin-ub3uh]

@@TrigrZolt how did u get that skin on waterfox

[@Taconiel]

TrigrZolt May you please send a link/guide to said skin? Thank you.

[@JuvStudios]

Why are you using Windows 7?

[@mrguy9876]

how did you manage to bring back the old video player design

[@Sranker7]

"Good old youtube" chrome extension

[@davr1]

Ironically Reddit is absolutely awful on mobile browsers, you constantly get ads for the Reddit app, you can't view subreddits or nsfw posts without an account, and you can't even view the desktop website without changing the user agent. Also the gui looks completely different compared to the Reddit app. On the other hand, Twitter does a great job at recreating the mobile app.

[@firegold763]

By the way I still want that the old KZbin layouts from 2010-2012 should return! I loved that layouts. P.S - I'm still rocking with Windows 7 Ultimate too!

[@Taconiel]

you and me both bud, website and app uis during that era had a special charm to them, a unique feel, but now they all have the same flat, corporate, “modern” bland look with little to no character. design language has universally changed, and quite frankly i wish to go back.

[@JustusBuum]

Guys do you know how to get the old player back like in the video? (The black one)

[@uwu_peter]

@@JustusBuum Using a ancient version of Firefox, Flash Player aswell as KZbin itself does the trick.

[@chefordinaryz5760]

Have you ever heard of vidlii it basically kinda like youtube but from with a layout straight from 2008

[@Taconiel]

@@chefordinaryz5760 sure have, i actually had an acc on vidlii going by "thenewdaniel" but havent done anything on it since early 2019ish.

[@RC568]

How did you get the old video controls

[@animatedComedy534]

customtube

[@RC568]

@@animatedComedy534 Thanks

[@Entroprox]

Pc specs dude?

[@ThyRetroNerd]

Many people that use Windows or Mac now only use laptops with low Rez 720~. So there aren't as many pixels to show small content. I'm saying this as a person with a 4k laptop. The original "organization" that you're talking about made me want to avoid using the Home Page and I ended up only looking at Subscriptions page. Why is that? Because it had better more curated content than the home page. With the new version of the Home Page, it's basically an AI optimized version of the Subscription page. It's not good that we can't go back to the original version if someone wants, I'm all for more customization. But for most users, the new version is better and way more intuitive and user friendly

[@fiverZ]

Still using the old (proper) KZbin UI in October 2020 gang. Also, Windows 7 gang xd

[@leonvanderschaaf9378]

Yep, me too on my old laptop. Those things are easier to use for me on a computer now.

[@AnywaysTech]

There is a new thing where you mouse over a video on the home page then the video slowly pops out then reveals the options

[@TheLightingPerson]

I will try to do the match both mobile and desktop viewing on my website.

[@nyathea]

Even on iPhones for me i hate when apps introduce a new UI that’s so terrible like the KZbin and twitter ones. Those apps become more trash every year.

[@raiyansarker1698]

Make a video about Facebook new design!

[@piotrk1610]

5:24 This is actually my problem. I subscribe to lots of channels and I need to scroll all the way down. But luckily I can expand or collapse it.

[@feropont141]

Website loading times have been getting higher and most websites in general are getting slower as of 2017. It used to be that u would have desktop website design on smartphone and now its the other way around. Nice classic firefox theme.

[@simon5240]

Design is a matter of taste. Websites usually try to find a compromise between being etchy and modern in their design, abiding to older (and thereby well known) mental models and being economical to manage. The KZbin desktop website is a very good compromise in my opinion.

[@p3kittyopa07]

this is how you create a port for website's to take the design too is style and limitations as well is an advantages

[@GumSkyloard]

Why's your player different from the regular player in both designs?

[@thunderbolt10031]

It appears that it's the player design that predates the current material design player. I recognized it immediately.

[@lordkekz4]

@@thunderbolt10031 Probably either due to the browser extension to get the old layout back (he mentioned it at 1:03) or because of his browser not supporting it.

[@sburton015]

What about how the KZbin website looked like in 2008. It's drastically different than now. Also remember when they had the 5 star rating system.

[@choccymalk123]

What is the extension?

[@relik_star2255]

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/good-old-youtube/versions/

[@ProjectPowerPoint]

RIP Grant Imahara And this video is how I found out.... :(

[@mahmoudelbadawy.]

u can zoom out did you know?

[@DrAvilem]

Man, how you can use this i think 7 year old firefox? Is this working well? I remember this old firefox, and this were crashed often xdd

[@relik_star2255]

Its waterfox modified 😂

[@lancerdeltarune]

there should be a section for new users with active videos

[@lloyd26]

Search for "Material Design" and you'll get the meaning of KZbin's/Google's design. Also, if you are logged in to Twitter, you will get an additional third column in the left with links to Home, Explore, Notifications, Profile, and others. I also think that the new Reddit design is much better than the old one as it looks modern and the contents are centered, whereas the old layout looks crowded.

[@MKXD2010]

Yes website ui is getting worse and worse

[@LiEnby]

Also modern websites are also really fucking slow .. What the hell are they doing the functionality of KZbin is basically the same as it was 9 years ago but yet it requires 3000x better hardware for some reason

[@espana86]

The best is 2006 KZbin!

[@ARose47]

2012

[@shyhrk]

I can relate to those problems. Rather, I wholeheartedly agree with those opinions. Gigantic UI that’s way too big. I have bad eyes but even those interfaces looks very big. And the biggest problem for me is the slow, bloated, heavy pages. Like, how in the hell top-of-the-line i7 PC from 2018 having some trouble with the interface. Especially KZbin, like how in the hell fullscreen/minimizing video screen took literally seconds on KZbin now, even though before it takes no time, basically instantly with a Pentium Dual Core laptop. It’s just getting ridiculous. I hate how they kept adding stuff, changing stuff, but won’t optimize it at all. Sure, hardware is getting more and more powerful, but that doesn’t excuse not optimizing their stuff. The same is happening with games and engines. Some of the latest engines have this huge performance overheads , though it’s more understandable considering how much more difficult developing games is.

[@VanquishReaper]

Why are u using windows 7 in 2020?

[@ItsMeOscar.]

Windows 7 is very good

[@iSamYTBackup]

i remenber the old youtube 2015 one

[@Thunderz2016]

God I HATED the new Twitter layout ever since it came out and I still hate it. I am glad that this is being talked about.

[@powershellaxp64]

And now KZbin broke the old layout too much to be able to be used.

[@techshogun69]

Interesting point of view. I prefer Windows 10 and the new KZbin design. I also always enable the dark theme.

[@wc2006]

no windows 10 is garbage and the new YT Layout is Garbage Too and Windows 7 And Below is better and The Old YT Layout is Better Too

[@megakarlach2]

@@wc2006 same, the new YT UI are just crap and the old 2016 was better, while 2005-2012 one was nostalgia and also good/great too. The new KZbin UI was badly optimized and some browsers like Pale Moon and the old Firefox 52 for Windows XP doesnt run it properly and lags horribly, even a VM.