The Problems With Magic Classes For PvE - Featuring tokwan | Ragnarok Mobile

[@ocustoob]

1. Spell Crit chance relies on cards and equipment, IIRC you can only go as high as 90+% (never 100%) but you'll have to sacrifice significant damage from damage sources such as race, elemental damage, etc. 2. Spell Crit doesn't ignore mdef so getting 200% ignore mdef is still required for instances (except for Sarah Alin) 3. Spell Crit damage is based on Luk, +1% spell crit damage for every 6 Luk, so your max spell crit damage is around 200%

[@RagnarokFLyTuT]

Really spot on bro, I hope devs would consider for better system of PVE Magic class =)

[@lazealstudio989]

If devs just : 1) Lower Elf's side split CD to 1-1.5 sec and delay to 0.5-0.75 sec. she will become the best magic pve dps class due to her high ignore ,piece and convertable element. 2) Let Nidhogg switch her "Steamer of fallen night" element between holy/dark . She can hold WSA and maybe top damage with right equip and dark convert. 3) Genos just let him be -*-. can steal relic mvp if u high damage enough. 4) Sara high dps and many hits per skill with fire talisman. just add 1 antidead to her like fenrir or just stay 1 hp for 2-3 sec to heal up after damage pass. 5) Soul Binder add more spammable ,range and aoe size plz. 6) Slayer i hope she stronger after 2nd collab. 7) Magic Ellinia plz just add some spamable magic skill or mdmg Pipi Dragon XD gear&card swap can help alot.I'm main magic dps. lazelia#1610 SEA eternal love

[@WobblyWallaby]

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[@ubol5097]

The main problem with this is the devs dont know how to create a perfectly balanced magic ABC character A(Strength) B(Utility)C(Survivability). It is either to much on one side then non on the opposite side. The only exception is the physical class that for some reason passes thru the CBT with bonkers stats and multipliers. Not surprised that majority of people thinks that physical classes are the "devs sons".

[@diracsea4590]

I started as a Sage, as it was my class in classic RO, I started to find dungeon groups when water converting was a thing. So I always have a bias toward Magic Classes. Wish I got Elf.. :/ As for helping magic classes in PvE; there is no silver bullet. Change one thing and something else will become unbalanced. The least intrusive would be; a craft able weapon card, an extract, or ancient relic.

[@sourgaming2556]

I just recently switched from Physical type to Magic (Chrono Bolter Type) and so far I am loving it, but yeah I hope devs would consider size dmg possibility in the future.

[@qimjoy]

I think most problem for magic class for PVE are VCT and survivability. Genos has good on both but sadly his damage straight forward direction. The other class strong enough for PVE is nidhogg. But she only use 1 element and no exclusive weapon. She can pass VCT problem if she already link with other DPS that can do damage without VCT/AA. AA magic class are have problem too. They are lack of damage, just have single target damage, or they need to be in ultimate form to maximizing damage. There are always problem with magic DPS for PVE. For this time, we don't have "Rahgricy version" for magic class.

[@Emyroth]

Magic classes never get the full kit to be an S class in pve. They either don't do damage, are too slow, or too fragile(actually, all are except genos), or hard to hit the caps, or lacks versatility in damage type. To add insult to injury, when devs release a magic class that does some damage and average survivability, they follow it with an instance where she will be probably useless. The only saving grace of magic class is that they pretty much use the same gear, so swapping between them requires few extra items in the bag. I'm currently using Sarah for most content, except Secret Realm of phantom (for some reason, she manages to bug the last boss and they get permanently stuck in a state with 99% damage reduction and healing all the damage that gets in) and WSA, I go Jormungandr with bloody knight star and pale lord card to keep all monsters stunned/petrified, But if I had a Thor in my group to keep them stacked I would go Sarah there, better damage. My Elf is on standby, I personally don't like her very much, she doesn't feel like a magic class and is too slow, she is not terrible, but feels like a slow physical class. When the next instance comes to global, I will try to build Sarah for ghost damage and see if it is at least worth of trying, but I find it unlikely due to the long cooldown of both skills. Over the years I went in my main account from Chronomancer to Soulbinder to AA Arcane Master to Jormungandr to Elf to Sarah, And I'm pretty sure none of those will be really good at the next instance. Shirasagi#2283 Global

[@WobblyWallaby]

Thanks for sharing your experience with magic classes!

[@Salty010]

ah yaa last monday i join party with sara they bug out mvp soul....and making everybody cant dmg the mvp....

[@WobblyWallaby]

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[@dalkielgames2951]

The problem is the meta, since people will seek only party member for the most favorable run, whether you are phys or magic, they will ignore you if you are not part of the meta, as simple as that. Im phys and i get equally ignored. With the current meta basically the easy fix would be to add a buff that converts magic damage to holy, and join the convert priest festival. (Dalkiel#4797 SEA Eternal Love)

[@WobblyWallaby]

I don't like the public party experience either. I am part of a guild where people carry so you can use whatever you want. Long ago before I was part of my guild I would get rejected for being Stellar Hunter and told to switch to support.

[@J_Kramz]

because player want a easy run save time during run less failure due to classes cant contribute well worst depo are low you can carry when you are better equipe and high depo in physical than magic which is king of floors 😂

[@lvntn]

Devs focuses so much on meta classes because they want people to spend more cash, they dont even care anymore to balance other job classes particularly the original job class. This is not ragnarok anymore

[@WobblyWallaby]

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[@dalkielgames2951]

@@WobblyWallaby hi, sure i will try, after the renamal policy of discord i got .dalkiel. i think, when they removed the #numbers, but i think i already sent you the request

[@harriskristanto5182]

in my experience on mvp hunter board its very hard to compare to saitama/ hein because magic class very slow move speed and none of skill can 1 hit like ur video sir I very agree with sb need to many ritual before can 1 hit MVP....

[@mauriciomurilloquesada7727]

Yo nada mas veo que este hombre vuelva la era del slayer

[@KayahMalaya]

I agree with your thoughts on magic users. I'm especially sad about Nidhogg because I love playing her but the forced dark element dmg makes her useless in half of the current content. melcia (with a dot between mel and cia) EU Eternal Love

[@cej2971]

AM still don't have a hero class, don't lose hope guys 🤘

[@davidliu7720]

elf is AM hero clas,is'nt she?

[@YardLi]

Yes sir ! Agree with everything mentioned. Of all the magic classes, there is also the hunter trap class, which uses physical damage but has magical skills, another class that the party doesn't want. I want the developers to urgently fix this so that all magic skills have an effect on size and elements. Please help adjust this.

[@dicEdraab]

Physical to magic its contrapelo you became medeceocare magic type its hard to use the true magic type its to strong bur you will play physical to magic type your power became 20 %only even you gear ups .. its like dbtype to crit type compare to the one you play and build its like.a gap you cant master both.. I don why that be even you high depo..that the reason that they say thire fake AB fake dps..but same depo. Naman.

[@KIRYUUplays]

and now came LIU MAU XING one of the best magic class for instance

[@WobblyWallaby]

Yeah, Liu is amazing. It is too bad it is a paid class 😔

[@Salty010]

the thing is when doing weeklies magic class to me is important member in pt as long 1 members is good, but what i hate like 4 of 1dps class is rath... its anoying..

[@DiKambingcorn]

This is sad. Only Sara Alin is usable in Airship. Genos can finish all instances except that airship.

[@arthurluiz7727]

Thank for this video 😢😢😢

[@cantinhodapamnawi7511]

As a Soul Binder who likes to play with the Burst build, I disagree with the viability of all of them on PVE. On the "new content" even with I have a full set getting all the caps, the damage is so low that is better to go as a sup. Should be a MVP killer class, but even with the end game setup, there's no damage compared with any physical mvp killer

[@myxfhr8n418]

my sbx is the same feeling with magic classes always got rejected in weekly

[@alikia717]

The only time I look for magic classes is for cml3f which sara alin is pretty good at. As you mentioned, magic seems to be better for pvp so maybe it's designed that way where they want you to play phys for pve and magic for pvp. If there was a strong magic pve and pvp, I'd try making the switch. Global Eternal Love JustHunting.

[@xsi1111]

when genos was introduced, he became the best DPS in PVE for a long time (he still does better than valkyrie in some dungeons with equals depo). then the jorm was introduced, it became an excellent pvp option and good in many pve. then they added an elf, but you won't find him in the dungeons, but in pvp - yes. then Sarah was introduced - I think she will be good at pvp/pve. in fact, for many dungeons, you have to take a more suitable class - physical or magical, depending on who you play. the only universal physical class is ratrisi, but this is rather an exception, and for damage I prefer thor. _________________________ saves a comment just in case)

[@J_Kramz]

the problem is no new player can play the game to be able to catch up with the oldies and old veteran players are slowly loss of interest time to time.ive been also a magic dps in the whole pve play they are support reliant squishy solo only can be done for fully whale Physical easy conquered solo play.

[@joshuamanalo8323]

But in PVP magic pass through kyrie/song and don't even need Hit attribute :)

[@perkiro11]

Magic Novice Guardian is doing great now, I can carry everything even void except Airship. I wish it MaNoGu elemental damage was improved as well to add a T4 skill to the skills, as is the only magic build class that uses a none T4 skill as main skill damage Storm Gust with Thunderbolt... so weird 😕

[@PrinceInShadow]

magic nogu better than cart tornado build ?

[@perkiro11]

@PrinceInShadow talking about Magic, yes. I kill more in Woe and Woc as magic than physical. Unfortunately, it is very situational, so other times, I do nothing besides running around like chicken without head 🤣 but is better because you use water to freeze and convert to water element and increase the wind damage... once again, this is very situational, so for fully pvp, NoGu is dead!

[@michaelirawan766]

Adding size to magic means nerf in pvp coz u expose yourself to new reduction. Just add dmg to monster and done.

[@J_Kramz]

nope they can make pve and pvp seperation skill effects like if your in pve some of skill that only for pvp wont work very simple but they just too lazy

[@jakeburbano6629]

I dont have any magic class good for PVE except Jorm. I have both Jorm and Rath 7/7. Imo, Jorm and magic classes in general are much more fun to play vs physical classes. Like the genos beam thingy where u have to aim, Jorm auto attacking to proc skills and kill mobs, the gameplay is just more fun. On the other hand, Khalitz is pretty much straightforward, so is Rath, so is Thor. Magic class might be beneath Physical class on damage and clearing time but the gameplay is just more enjoyable for me. Laplace73 SEA Eternal Love

[@rohanisarijan2658]

passive 1k matk for 1mpen n 1migr din't work this time for slayer.. rip slayer.

[@prismkai683]

For me hard to hard to achieve ignore defense and magic class survivability is worst than other class. and the output is low when choose survival equ. Plus card is expensive till now still in struggle to invest in magic class and stick back to physical. magic class really not much to choose when go to pve while physical have many that can do well with lower invest. prismkai SEA - Eternal Love

[@user-of9hu5if5d]

Genos is not available, which seems only viable magic, and seems also only with very specific rare stuff... it is like they made Phy dps the only alternative, and hates a lot magic dps.

[@BeefBrisket91]

Hi Wobbly! Always looking forward to your content. My personal fave is Elf and she is often overlooked in PVE. With the right gears (which can get expensive from ancient relics and cards) she can really make instances easier. Definitely would not be able to kill as fast as other DPS but you can’t have it all. I like her best in PVP though since in PVE she lacks survivability as I don’t posses the HP relic yet, and others means of survivability are not as reliable. I think people would like to solo play magic classes but it has never been the way even in the old RO? Still would be best with a support class. Best of luck! P.S. Glad my Eddga card went to you thru auction. I know you’ll give it the best use with your tests 😝 dabepoca Global

[@WobblyWallaby]

Hey, I didn't realize the eddga card was from you. Nice to meet the seller. Thanks for that :) It's been nice using it on some classes but many of the top tier physical classes seem to have endure built in.

[@WobblyWallaby]

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[@BeefBrisket91]

@@WobblyWallaby Thanks Wobbly! Just checked it. Cheers! 🥳

[@BeefBrisket91]

@@WobblyWallaby I’ve been noticing that too. Hopefully such cards won’t completely become obsolete. They’ll probably turn it into a recipe for a combined card? (Just a suggestion to the devs if they ever see this comment lol). Noticing also the new Alien MVP cards giving magic classes more damaging capability 🙂 Always looking forward to your content. More power to your channel!

[@godgash]

i still using slayer with 150% yawn

[@aldwinnuguid4472]

Personally my opinion is the magic class are type of character to bring damage from a far to let the physical type to move in. Its like classic DND. Cant imagine a magic type near combat. Magic types can finish pve solo depending on your build and playing style. But i guess the players are looking for easy wins. This was addressed by WSA. To let the class show their other skills though not broad enough for other magic class. I remeber the TTL water convert build lol. What i think devs should consider to reformat pve instances to showcase the class skills coz some are just dead skills. Usually what happens here in pve they just look for solo runs and the others are just afk (carry) the only class that is dormant is saints 😂. - genrou20 sea

[@aldwinnuguid4472]

If someone ask what is DND it's dungeons and dragons by TSR

[@putuegaadriantika5459]

rogue dagger type still a entire circus till now on pve

[@francegilie3313]

I dont think magic classes are half as bad as what others say except for the fact that magic classes are so freaking fragile. I do have an issue with the imbalanced "meta" nonsense. Not everyone, be it physical or magic class, are given equal opportunity to a lot of stuff.

[@johnryadornado6714]

This would have been easy to fix for magic classes if they let Hela convert to other elements. PERIOD

[@miromadiam9290]

Assassin Hero Class that uses Magic

[@Bullsiq]

I agree that magic classes have a really hard time doing well in pve. The devs could add some kind of multiplier to damaging skills that would work only vs monsters to make the damage comparable to physical classes. Adding more skills that could synergize well with other casters and increase their damage the way we can stack bonuses for physical classes would also help. bulls_covfefe EU Eternal Love

[@77th_Undertaker]

My Dragon Fist is crying from the corner for both PVE PVP ,TwT

[@WobblyWallaby]

Is it at least okay for boss hunting? Or is it even bad for that these days?

[@77th_Undertaker]

@@WobblyWallaby it is bad for every gameplays, dungeons , boss hunting , or even pvp. I have been playing DF for many years. I know. Lacking of moving abilities, short range attack, cannot punch when balls dropped or being debuffed cause it needs the balls to punch , and DF died easily even though it has immune for 6 secs, I want you to make a video for this DF, I wanna know your opinion and gameplays possible nowadays for GVG or Boss hunting

[@marcost29]

as main magic class i depend 100% on a physic party to do AS otherwise im Fuck!

[@Beeraemon]

Is it worth it play that ragnarok rn? Since im newbie n new player

[@yop9827]

To have fun? Yes. In the long run if you want Pvp and you are F2P there is 2 DMG class build that do not rely cash or you can just pick tank or support.

[@Beeraemon]

@@yop9827 ok.. give me some advice what a job suit for that

[@LetMeDrinkYourTears]

I would rather start some newer game with a moderately fresh server. RoM is quite established, it's filled to the brim with whales, there is not enough new players. You will never catch up so you can forget about competitive pvp. And in pve you will be frustrated because you will be fighting against people who can one hit kill every boss. And you will have a lot of trouble finding a party for weeklies or even reliable, entry lvl guild. And be prepared to spend money. This game is extremely unfriendly to f2p. Those are facts. Yes, you can try to enjoy this game, as many of us are, but be aware is very difficult to love this game.

[@James-ym8hx]

Damn you didn't mention anything about Heinrich.

[@WobblyWallaby]

Is magic Heinrich a thing?

[@James-ym8hx]

​@WobblyWallaby no just thought you might have with rathgricy and khal

[@James-ym8hx]

​@WobblyWallaby sorry wobbly I'm just starved for heinrich content. He doesn't get the love he deserves! I am a f2p player and having a blast with him.

[@MrNikoluigitecson]

Magic classes are inferior against physical in terms of pve. prannellia#4073 SEA eternal love.

[@emmanueloliquino1796]

nidhogg buff pls T_T

[@mjmatchocable]

How about mimic/make same effect of Physical card to magic? It's also sad that can't no longer see OP Lina Inverse/Slayers job on weeklies. Back then they just run over very instances. Server:EL ID# 4295687861

[@PunkFiddler]

Umm... kind sir, you left out magic begetters

[@caligula8067]

magic bg strong, CN people even recommend it for newbies. I dont get why people thought of it as meme build. vanilmirth lava torrent boom! boom! best sound fx in rom mwehehee

[@WobblyWallaby]

I have a friend who does magic begetter and does quite well. I do think it is pretty good and in the past I did put it fairly high on the tier list

[@cantinhodapamnawi7511]

He probably put on the same bucket as SH Trappers... Non existent and relevants

[@fattysand6369]

⁠​⁠@@WobblyWallabyyeah there’s like 3 magic begetters built in global server. It has a similar requirement as runemaster, needing more investment than standard classes because it uses 2 equipment sets. And of course it still gets outperformed by physical classes after team buffs and dark convert.

[@PortableSaltstick]

Rath is annyoing af.

[@xDTronDMCDx]

I do wish Chronomancer gets another buff like an auto-attack has a chance to trigger any AOE of the player's choice.

[@Sub1PanoramaJTB]

Its fine as long as you find a good guild, guild mate, they will assist you on every instance. Just make sure youre active, kind and do woe woc. Lets have fun toghether

[@PorksGaming23]

In comparison with other physical class they have built in survivability like Rath auto regen and hp block which Magic classes lack. You need to invest in cards to make it sustainable. Porky#2853 SEA Eternal Love

[@WobblyWallaby]

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[@RoobJanalo]

Magic type are king of ora and ec tho. I've seen strong genos in pve legends ad well. Pml 3f genos is the best next to tk

[@chadsummers7745]

the game is unfair 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mohdiswadfirdausmaulamohdd8545]

Sorry to ask but what is devs? 😅

[@WobblyWallaby]

Ragnarok Mobile's developers: the people who make and design the game

[@rainiellesaylon9829]

AM here. Real Talk magic bow is super sucks. Since Nerf Tetra Vortex years ago. The magic user is useless. They all favor to the physical type. Codes 🤣🤙 EL Server

[@amirassegaff1242]

300bcc job for nothing.. Slayer rip.. Genos cannot finish wsa.. No more collab jobs for me.. Maybe gonna retired early.. Lol

[@khayceeyap442]

I was so happy back then when I got slayer . She is good in pve and pvp ... then you know what happened 😅

[@CrackHead245a]

Why dont the devs delete the old jobs and create hero job every month so that they could profit more money and more player will quit these trash game.... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@stephenpierce6265]

Fffiiiirrrst uh no im not -.-

[@coyzor]

Magic class already own Woe/Woc, if they excel on PvE then no one will play physical classes. Remember that this is a “Role Playing Game” dont expect your chosen job to excel on every aspect.

[@WobblyWallaby]

I see a lot of Jormungandr in Woe/WoC. I think for 6v6, I do see more class diversity which includes physical classes too.

[@J_Kramz]

@@WobblyWallabyif they only created stats skill modifier that applied for pve and pvp seperatedly on a char might be a good one till this year magic still support dps in instance physical all rounder of the game

[@yop9827]

You mean jormun own woe/woc, other magic class are dead because of this snake plus most magic class are bad at PVE. Thor and fenrir are physical that can dominate both pve and pvp you can add rath too. So your point is physical class needs a nerf so they cant excel on both lol. Your right about Role playing that's why they want some magic classes to get a buff for PVE because MOST of them have no place to excel.

[@coyzor]

@@yop9827 you got too many complains bro even putting word in my mouth as i never mentioned nerfing physical class. If you think physical class is that dominant then go ahead and switch to Thor or Fenrir, then show me a screenshot of your top kills in a competitive GvG beating Jorms. If you cant then i think theres no point in having discussions with you.

[@yop9827]

@@coyzor its a correction because you look confused, you said no need buff because if they excel at PVE then no one playing physical class and i just said the other way around most physical class excel at both so why not nerf lol and then you said its a "role playing game" so most magic classes don't have a role because jorm will just eat most magic skill so the point again is they deserve a buff for other content to have a role. Why so aggressive I just turn what you said back to you lol.

[@notganoy1215]

magic types greatest weakness is theyre stuck on 1 type of dmg type, just make soulbinders warm wind a party wide buff for magic type that force them to convert their mdmg to X type. this is coming from a DPS nidhogg user whos forced to hit Undead and dark type mobs (which is like 90% of the mvps) with DARK FKING SKILL😂

[@RigExplosion]

For magic classes. Either they are stuck to 1 element (besides soul binder which can switch), they don't have enough damage or too fragile. Maybe having bonus dmg to size without affective size reduction would be nice TavoNova#2294 ROM EU -TavoNova

[@FurZeal777]

I guess that Sara is strong enough both in PVP and PVE coz she’s got huge advantage from her class weapon (dark and ghost damage bonus from fire damage) EU - furzeal

[@WobblyWallaby]

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