The Proper Pauper Guide To FOG Tron - A Magic: The Gathering Deck Tech

[@ShineAqua]

The same math that got us 1+1+1=7 also gave us 1.67×2=33.4.

[@tobiasebert777]

@Willow Rayne Summers 7:27 the price of Moments Peace

[@Hitzel]

i love you

[@michaelrichter6181]

The price of not getting the point right(2x16.7=33.4)

[@xChikyx]

I was today years old when I realized you can respond to evoke triggers

[@bt6616]

I was one day old! Literally last night I played a commander game where my opponent evoked his cloudthresher to hit my army of angels for two, cloudshifted it, killed all my angels, then smashed me in the face for 7 repeatedly. I didn't last too much longer.

[@canonnist]

Yeah, I was 2 weeks before today y. o. When I found out in video about pauper. Played magic for 10 years (

[@maxanc9686]

Have you seen Caleb Gannon Pauper Elementals- its a great representation of for evoke triggers (and a great deck also)

[@bt6616]

@@maxanc9686 I have now!

[@adamnavratil9379]

@@bt6616 999

[@plumokin5535]

I can't believe it but this is my EXACT pauper Tron list. This is amazing. It took me so long to figure out all the combos but they're all listed in this video and I'm gonna use this as a reference forever. Thank you so much for this video honestly 😊

[@Sir_Francis]

Ulamog's Crusher for Life! Side note: Excellent job with the video formatting, it just felt very smooth & easy to look at

[@dadetv2418]

I was like "RIW? Michigan? I hope it's the Livonia location" then I heard the pronunciation and didn't know where it was and when I realized it was Livonia I was like "YES"

[@thespiritphoenix3798]

Am I the only one who misses the great pauper event decks?

[@buddatello]

Dude RIW??? YES! They also hold a weekly proxy legacy thing! I don't have a pauper deck but I will build one for you man

[@xatex1000]

Great deck tech. Would love to see you do a pauper collab with caleb ganon. Keep up the great work prof.

[@aaaaaaaaaaa5820]

When $1.67 moments peace adds to $33.4 you know you've got a deal

[@Yuzuki1337]

Hey, you did not expect an english professor to give you math lessons, right?

[@aaaaaaaaaaa5820]

Yuzuki1337 nah I just like the return on investment 😅

[@MattLazzara]

Prof, your pronunciation of Livonia is my favorite thing ever. You made a MI resident very happy.

[@Skirsdag]

I like that pronunciation of Livonia. 11/10

[@spope7510]

whereas, mtg goldfish is STILL mispronouncing circuitous route face palm

[@spope7510]

i want to call the prof and say "hey man thanks for saying all the card names aloud so other KNOW...." then call seth and be like "DUDE, sir cue shus" FOR THE LOVE OF MTG. lol

[@sepherothzro1]

As a michigander i got a giant kick out of it haha

[@davidhansen5067]

I'm a huge fan of your old Acid Trip deck, and I'd love to see an updated run of that deck based on what's currently available in the format!

[@tombrown407]

Step 1: Sunscape Familiar,

[@jonathanrobinson8926]

Thanks for the help! Tutoring into a tutor is one of those tips I really enjoy learning about.

[@ick4646]

This deck looks so fun! I remember getting blown out by a similar build at the LA pauper MCQ. It didn't have that red removal though. I definitely want to build this. Thanks!

[@eliluttrell7637]

I've already built a Pauper deck that is similar to modern reanimate but I still enjoyed watching and seeing what other builds are available as Pauper has never caught traction at my LGS. Seems interesting. Keep up the good work Professor.

[@aces6123]

Super excited to see you in my area playing at RIW!

[@WoWhunter007]

Loving the new editing style. Reminds me of Sam's style.

[@henryjones8636]

Holy shit. I live in Ann Arbor. I'm gonna go see the professor! And I don't even play Pauper!

[@antoniobush4560]

Same, proceeds to buy entire pauper deck

[@andrewkonesko3280]

Holy shit a buddy who is in my EDH playgroup!

[@sindividual]

I'm down in Toledo, but really thinking about grabbing my best pauper deck and making the drive up just because, lol

[@garnettooth]

Awesome new video prof! Thinking back to some of your first couple of deck techs it makes me happy to see you continue to push the limits of high quality mtg content. You've really help make the mtg community overall grow and refine so much, thank you for your hard work.

[@Phoenixofanguish]

I didn't even realise I had the skeletal pieces of a dinrova tron deck for pauper. I dont have the urza lands but I saw in my collection dinrova and ghostly flicker and thought it was a hilariously evil combo. Although I don't have the wall I was using archemancer to get my flickers back as well as messing with a deadeye navigator but he wouldn't be used in pauper. Thank you for this video! :)

[@cecekitty3861]

I am still a beginner magic the gathering card player and I learn so much from your videos

[@leocolossi]

Looking for a ban at Arcum's Astrolabe is turning a blind eye to the elephant in the room, Ephemerate. This is the card that has not only been powering up tron, as you mentioned, but also leads to absurd card draw with evoked mulldrifters (potentially drawing 6 for 4 mana), as well as perpetual removal/counterspell when paired with Archaeomancer to fish a Skred or Counterspell from your graveyard. Ephemerate also reduces tremendously the effect of possible graveyard hate to stop it's loops, being always a net positive effect due to Rebound's nature. Example: You have a Relic of Progenitus on board, and at the end of your endstep, the opponent ephemerates his Archaeomancer to bring back a Counterspell. Do you crack the relic when the Archaeomancer targets the counterspell, or do you wait for the rebound cast during your opponent's upkeep to try to take away his Ephemerate? Both options are very risky, because not only the opponent already got value from the ephemerate, but if he has another one in hand (remember that he just untapped his lands), he can even save the one you tried to exile while keeping both.

[@Gdude1231]

Rebound exiles the card as it resolves, so you pop the relic when the archaeomancer targets counterspell

[@leocolossi]

A spell cast that has rebound does go to exile, but a rebound-cast spell is not exiled after it resolves, it goes straight to the graveyard. If you crack the relic when he tries to recover the counterspell, the opponent will lose that card, but will still have the engine going full steam, specially if there are mulldrifters on board or in hand. Cracking the relic when they go for the CS is a minor inconvenience. Cracking when they go for the ephemerate impacts more, but an extra copy is enough to absolutely negate that.

[@Gdude1231]

@@leocolossi i mean yes, they get an archaeomamcer and the ephemerate back into the hand, but how does that kill me? They can draw cards with mulldrifter, but flicker decks were already using ghostly flicker for mulldrifter and archaeomancer. That alone does not win you games, and i dont think it really warrants a ban, especially with the amount of disruption in the format.

[@leocolossi]

I don't know if you looked at the Jeskai lists, but there's a point where you can't sustain any decent number of blockers against the sheer amount of card avantage, counterspells, removals and fliers that Jeskai has. Being able to infinetely kill/counter enemy threats as long as they resolve Archaeomancer and have Ephemerate, while also leaving no counterplay to the mechanic, is the main problem here.

[@alexandrevinicius2324]

Astrolabe should be banned because now it's to easy build 4-5 color good stuff decks, that is what jeskai snow is since most of them use Weather the Storm and some black graveyard recursion, it made pauper mana base too good, stinking to a 2 color deck makes no sense anymore, just put astrolabe in any deck, except super fast aggros like RDW and stompy. And the interaction with kor skyfisher and glint hawk it's too good to be ignored, so if you don't whant to play whith agro 1/4 of your deck is alredy decided 4 astrolabe, 2-4 prisms, 4 kors, 4 glint hawk. Btw ephemerate should also be banned

[@Bugnard1989]

Great timing ! I just ordered some cards for a Tron deck, but I went for the Temur version with the Fangren and Rolling thunder :)

[@rockingpeacock5477]

Great video Prof. Love the explanations that you place with the deck tech.

[@shawndiaz7528]

Deck tech The Perfect Storm (Weather the Storm + Epicure of Blood combo)

[@theslaya522]

I have been tweaking my deck for months to prepare for this 1k and the fact that i might be able to challenge you to a game or to to test my wits is exhilerating

[@oom-3262]

7:27 that's some weird calculations

[@cinderstar6634]

This deck looks super fun! I’m really enjoying all of these pauper deck techs, although I really miss the Advanced Modern Studies and I would love to see them return. Maybe an episode on 5 color Niv or bant Soulherder?

[@matthewbeard7841]

As a Michigander the way the Prof pronounced Livonia triggered me so hard.

[@LaymansLiberty]

Same

[@brandondrake4609]

Same here

[@fumioshwartz7114]

Made me laugh. I had a guy pronounce novi as Nov'ee'

[@LaymansLiberty]

Haha

[@jasonbrown4718]

Same here! *cue my best Hermoine impression: It’s pronounced Livona, not Linvola

[@Chuck13s]

Omg you're coming so close to me! I'll definitely tune up my deck and head there! Oh btw Prof, it's not Linvoia as your pronounced: it's Live-own-ia

[@mattybbg6850]

you had me at pauper.

[@mememaster5748]

Thank you for years of quality entertainment prof

[@CKG-hh2bw]

Hello, professor, I’m CKG and I’m your fan of review of card sleeves playmats and deck boxes, when I get a notification I watched your review and it very interesting plus last year I bought quiver deck case because I was having a hard time of stored my deck boxes in my bag and searched my deck in my bag but thanks to you I have no problem at all. I have a request for you what is best playmat tubes in 2019 because I heard that there’s monster dual playmat tubes that you can store two playmats and Matpod from ultimate guard so please make a video of playmat tubes review

[@xan7292]

I don't know if any such deck exists in the current Pauper meta/banlist, but I'd certainly like to see an Izzet spellslinger list of some kind.

[@andrewl9191]

I have a similar list but without the update from Modern Horizons. I don't tlike the idea of throwing Astrolabe into every deck and thus, snow lands, but I understand it's power level. This hasn't been my style of deck at all, but the few times that I've played it have been incredibly fun, finding ways to fend off opponents to the point where you can come back. I actually ended up adding 2 Rolling Thunder to have a way to clear out the board, or just go straight for their face.

[@Starcraftgamer97]

My Tron Decklist is my Modern Mono White Tron Tokens. Aside from some Lingering Souls and Raise the Alarms to generate a buffer force, I focus on bombs like Finale of Glory, Entreat the Angels, White Sun's Zenith, and Secure the Wastes. Obviously I run Intangible Virtues and then I have a number of removal spells and control spells. Oblivion Rings, Mana Tithe (that can stiffel early ramp or burn), etc. It did surprisingly well the first time I made an iteration of it (less control) and I feel like my current list of it might do better. I just have to balance lands and control but I don't think I have that worked out well enough yet. I got my tron land numbers and expedition maps but card draw is also obviously lacking. I wonder if something like Astrolabe or Prism would be a good choice because of the card draw.

[@DamonXWind]

My favorite common in magic was cloudshift. How did I miss that they printed strictly better cloudshift?

[@777CrimsonChaos]

Oh sweet, Livonia is only a couple hours from here! I may need to start putting together a pauper deck...

[@MyNameHidden123]

I'm actually waiting for this deck in the mail!!

[@addambarcelos]

I Wonder if wizards intend to reprint tron lands anytime soon

[@cinderstar6634]

Honestly I hope they print mine and power plant in eldraine and then reprint tower in the set where eldraine rotates out of standard.

[@KingBobXVI]

protip if you want to pick up a set of Tron lands and just want the cheapest option: go to TCGPlayer and search for the specific alternate art versions. An Urza's Tower for example is about $3.10-$4.60 from 5th, 8th, or 9th edition, but $1.27-$1.48 from Chronicles. Just select "Urza's Tower (Plains)" in the search dropdown instead of "Urza's Tower" and scroll past the $18 Antiquities version to get to Chronicles :P I honestly think these are so cheap because people just don't know how to search for them on the site, since they show up separately from the non-art-specific search results. Same goes for a lot of other cards that had alternate art, like Hymn to Tourach (where the OG, black border version from Fallen Empires is like, $0.10 but the Anthologies reprint is a whopping $2.20).

[@tylerhoffman4251]

Lol

[@willmorosoff3191]

The video says 4 Expedition Maps, but the description says 2 Expedition Maps, which does total to 60 cards so I believe the description is correct.

[@antoniobush4560]

Thats true but that's like the most important card tronwise

[@weirdproq]

I really think you should also play a Rolling Thunder as a way to finish games. I once played in a nearby tournament with a similar list without anything to finish off my opponent and timed out my matches and lost.

[@jamesedwards8175]

I'd love to see a deck tech on Twiddle Field, that new Modern deck that runs off of Twiddle and Lotus Field. I play the deck, but I'm always looking for ways to improve it!

[@logantaylor6962]

A little late, but I would love to see a lands deck in Pauper. Don't know how to make it work, but I'm sure you could figure it out!

[@salfontana5712]

Aw yeah, more pauper is always a pleasure

[@Krajcik1964]

Problems with Arcum's Astrolabe? I have an easy fix. Unban Hymn to Tourach.

[@riwhobbies6203]

Make sure you come check out The Professor at the event he mentions! facebook.com/events/2395411484006177/

[@spope7510]

thank you for hte deck tek I have a brand new lgs i want to support and they are having a WIN A BOX pauper tournament this coming weekend. ive never payed pauper but really wanted to go to support the new store... thanks for the affordable deck im buying it NOW on cardkingdom and going this coming sunday. thanks again proff (the fact you showed how to use the deck is why i am willing to buy it you really went out of your way with this one.. HOMERUN)

[@spope7510]

YIKES 120 FOR A PAUPER DECK????????? PROF..... i paid $70 for a top tier, standard goblin deck, with many rares. how is this so expensive? or should i say how is this your recommendation for an entry level deck for pauper? sheesh. ill just convert my legacy goblin deck into pauper. thank god for goblin grenade and gatherer . com

[@spope7510]

ok. i hit lowest price, and its $96.84.... BUT still. i cant shell out 100 dollars per deck for pauper that's INSANE.

[@spope7510]

it IS a dope deck tech tho

[@sephyrias883]

4:45 On that note, I'd argue against a ban. It is not so powerful that it breaks the gameplay experience and Prophetic Prism has been everywhere as well and that card isn't being considered a problem either. There have to be more criteria for banning a card than just the card's popularity among deckbuilders.

[@thepeterwan]

thank you , very very well explained , awesome work!

[@cecekitty3861]

Yassssssss will be in my state if I didn’t have to work I would see but this is awesome

[@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275]

A question for you to test Professor. Would a plumbing pipe, and two plumbing end caps work well for a playmat case? It's strong, water resistant, cheap, and available at most hardware stores. It would be like the Stanley case you should a few years ago

[@dondo3384]

will build this instantly

[@violetsweet1660]

you can blink your urza's tower also! wow!

[@shocker1410]

The combined price for 'Moment's Peace' is incorrect. It's listed as $33.4 - but it's only $1.67 each, with two in the deck. That's $3.34.

[@hout905]

That's why he would be a great math teacher

[@andrewl9191]

Just a typo though.

[@andrewl9191]

You know, I'm somewhat surprised The Instructor didn't make an appearance in this decktech. He's definitely the sort that would enjoy making obscene amounts of mana and repeatedly fogging and removing combat steps while their opponents decide whether or not to concede out of shear misery.

[@robokid13]

Does Arcum's Astrolabe itself generate snow mana, since it is a snow permanent?

[@theanonymouswaffle4576]

Yes.

[@carlosmarquez2725]

Exactly.

[@joeyholubek3960]

Yes

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

Yes. So do things like Boreal Druid, Coldsteel Heart, and Thermopod.

[@madrahal]

The music was really groovy!

[@HalberdierHyperion]

I'm curious what this list looks like without Astrolabe, since it's been banned. Pauper seems fun and this deck is right up my alley.

[@CyberCheese392]

Do the Mirran Spy and Banishing Knack combo next!

[@Bluesicle]

I love your channel i will keep watching and giving positive feedback

[@Small_Panda]

I personally have loved using the protection enchantments I have a 2 copys of pro red and 1 copy of pro black though delver grimag has fallen out so may go to remove the pro black for something else.

[@ryanstevenson2594]

I haven't played Pauper before. I just saw the Professor upload and said ayeeeeee. Is this basicly like standard but with uncommons only?

[@TolarianCommunityCollege]

Even better! Here's a guide to Pauper that you might find helpful! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGjUgouGYraeb6c

[@ryanstevenson2594]

Oh s*** hi Professor!

[@andrewl9191]

Check out his video, it's great! Also, it's more like vintage but without only commons (or cards once printed at common), not uncommons.

[@nicholassalamone770]

I brewed my first Pauper deck today.

[@fumioshwartz7114]

Awesome. I was just at riw hobbies the other day.

[@joncirone]

HEY HEY Prof!!

[@TolarianCommunityCollege]

Hello there!

[@GeekTalkwithMerg]

Is Trinket Mage’s ability to tutor for artifact lands part of intended design?

[@dobrigospodinov3475]

OK, I have a question...since you are supposed to actually exile Ephemerate until your next turn, can you really do the loop with the mnemonic wall, as I don't think it would be able to target the ephemerate that should be in exile?

[@devastaticon]

same question from me.... doesn't look like this would work as the prof explained it. when you cast ephemerate from your hand, it is exiled, does not ever hit the graveyard...

[@mageius]

Now I pretty sure someone has probably already pointed this out but just in case, you put the decimal point for the cost of both copies of moment's Peace one space too far to the right. It reads $33.4 instead of $3.34. PLEASE don't get upset with yourself for something so small, as it's just something we all have done before. Anyway the video was very fun and informative like always. Do keep up all the good work.

[@smegmalasagna]

What do you think about having one copy of Darksteel Citadel so that Trinket Mage could find it?

[@sphiedd]

Would like a review of those "yourplaymat" playmats plzzz.

[@baldore2256]

Prof, I just built Temur tron and ordered the list Thursday. Similar list but a bit heavier onto the pulse and Flicker plan. I do like some of the stuff you talked about like compulsive research and ephemerate though, might have to retune. Decklist for those curious: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2235332#paper

[@lumijo2407]

Isn't this like making a deck tech for Hogaak, Early 2000s Standard Affinity, Temur Energy, or Cawblade?

[@Dataloss484]

I read that as fRog tron. Expecting yargle.

[@logan33451]

What's that art at 5:30??? It strikes me how beautiful the composition is.

[@patricklickman9972]

That's the art for Dead of Winter!

[@ttvfarquaadd3349]

Awesome tech 👏

[@PalPlays]

Fog my Gary trigger, DO IT! WHERE IS YOUR FOG NOW?

[@piotrzimowski6071]

I was playing against very similar (if not identical) deck (dood, I hate it). My current meta is filled with astrolabes. Games are mostly long and boring, since these astrolabe decks are quite similar. Actually, with weather the storm and ephemerate, modern horizons have a huge impact on this format. I would rather have 3-color tap lands than astrolabes

[@benlittle5543]

Pauper for life

[@miltonfrey7274]

Oh man, I clicked on this video because I thought it said "Frog Tron."

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

Ah, so that’s how Gitrog breaks into Modern.

[@KingBobXVI]

Well, modern horizons _did_ print a new fog frog...

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

@@KingBobXVI ...no it didn't. It reprinted Spore Frog.

[@keithlong7838]

What cards are you recommending to replace Astrolabe since the announcement of today’s banned list in Pauper?

[@mekk-knightsarecool222]

Prophetic Prism

[@keithlong7838]

The deck is already running 4 copies

[@mekk-knightsarecool222]

Most tron lists are just running prism, you can always just add in star or sphere if you want

[@michaelzephyros7725]

ok so what's your win condition? Mill?

[@legochickenguy4938]

13:18 LSV would be proud

[@11Evalone]

More Arcum's Astrolabe o.o This card is snowballing into so many decks. T-T

[@mactoeter]

when adding all the cards i come at 62 cards...is this corrrect?

[@zackzack9341]

what do we do when there is no expedition map?

[@jasonjames9836]

Good note about banning having a negligible impact on the deck for anyone who wants to build this but might worry.

[@aidankenyon1253]

Limvola Michigan it's Livonia Michigan

[@OGNoNameNobody]

Pauper Atog, plz. I wanna compare my list to yers.

[@oliverwilson11]

The first 1:52 is just explaining what Tron lands are

[@zoltanbereczki7162]

So, if the cheaper by 90% Blue Elemental Blast is the same as Hydroblast; why have three Hydroblasts and two Blue Elemental Blasts? ;)

[@shawndiaz7528]

Most Pauper players already had a few Hydroblasts. BeB only recently became legal in the format. BeB is better in niche scenarios (mainly involving Flagbearers) tho so I'd play BeB over Hydro unless you're on a Kiln Fiend brew (RiP Izzet Blitz)

[@noa3691]

more modern please

[@TolarianCommunityCollege]

Ok! Stay tuned next Monday!!

[@noa3691]

Tolarian Community College thanks prof

[@andrewl9191]

@@TolarianCommunityCollege Speaking of, I need to find an update to mono blue merfolk...

[@Link_T179]

You know you come to my local games store the day the new destiny raid comes out. Balls. Also pronounced Li-Vown-e-ah

[@andrewkonesko3280]

That was my initial reaction when watching. There will be plenty of time for the Garden!

[@Link_T179]

@@andrewkonesko3280 my team and I are racing for world first unfortunately. While we are unlikely to get it, we still go for it every raid

[@andrewkonesko3280]

@@Link_T179 Fair enough, I'm only interested in beating if during contest mode.

[@ForeverLaxx]

I know it's not the focus of this video, but I'm hoping they don't ban the astrolabe. That card by itself really let multi-color decks function in a format that's been sorely needing variety in manabases to enable (or make better) certain decks. Those that say it stifles variety are just short-sighted. Just because a deck is running astrolabe doesn't mean it's going to be doing what other decks running it are.

[@JonathanHecht]

how about you will take the Brawl decks and make a guide to turn them into Commander decks

[@einhorn303]

People still play Fog Tron without snow lands, and are still 5-0ing with it that way on MTGO Leagues.

[@drmntpibb]

My tron list doesn't run urza lands

[@HaamRadio54]

Is it Tron?

[@Enragedguy24]

Man I hate Tron xD But so long as it doesn't run too many counters it's beatable with most of what I tend to rock. Except for TE.

[@TheWeatherLightCafe]

Live-own-ya