The Prophetic Monarchy

Stephen M. Veazey, the 8th prophet and president of Community of Christ, announced a date for his retirement and subsequently has been placed on an extended medical leave of absence. The church has been engaged in a worldwide discernment process to determine who will be called as his successor. For the John Whitmer Historical Association’s “Wallace B. Smith Lecture,” in April of 2023, John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place traced the historical background of the “prophetic monarchy” in the Latter Day Saint movement, considered the present state of affairs, and called for future reforms. Hamer looks at the 1844 succession crisis following the death of church founder, Joseph Smith Jr., through the lens of monarchy, arguing that Brigham Young and Joseph Smith III can best be understood as a “usurper” and a “pretender,” respectively, to the prophetic throne. In this November lecture, Hamer will update his analysis in light of changes to the succession process announced due to President Veazey’s medical leave and also after the death of Prophet Emeritus Wallace B. Smith. The lecture will be livestreamed free to the public with donations for the John Whitmer Historical Association welcome.
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[@barryrichins]

Thanks, Johnnie, me Boy. You have taught me well. I stayed in the Mormon church for 75 years. Now 82, I am happy to finally be called a "None."

[@while_coyote]

This is a genuine prophetic revelation: John Hamer should be the next president of your church.

[@davepayne2024]

Fantastic lecture!

[@grandmaroxie2210]

Thank you for so much clarification in these matter, John. I love your lectures

[@cherylgroh5353]

How did Grant McMurray "violate LGBTQ policies"? Marriage and/or Ordination? I just watched the end of this lecture. Thank you so much for answering so many questions I have had about the church and LGBTQ+ community that made no sense...it feels so good to know that the injustice I have seen in the church is real and now know we have to work to change it...again, thank you so much....

[@Donnie-Lee-Gringo]

President/Prophet Grant McMurray had quietly allowed for ordinations of lesbian and gay members of the church to priesthood offices within local congregations, contrary to the official Standing High Council policy from the 1980s not allowing for ordination of self identifying LGBT people who may or may not have been in relationships with partners. By 2002 though Grant's first presidency announced a full moratorium on allowring for further ordinations to appease more conservative members who were among the most generous tithe paying members. This remained in place after Grant's unexpected resignation in 2005 until his successor Steve Veazey allowed for LGBT ordinations and marriages with the adoption of Doctrine and Covenants section 164 verses 5-7

[@michael90810]

John Hamer for Prophet-President!

[@randywilson944]

I believe the children are our future 🎶

[@DamonSmith-x8d]

I grew up in the Young church and it is quite interesting to hear this perspective and to learn a little about the eastern church. I don't believe in the visions revelations and scriptures of Joseph Smith Junior. My hope is that religions will progress in knowledge and leave behind that which not true. Perhaps not because some prophet said it isn't true but because the knowledge of the world had surpassed that of a church. Spiritual connections are not necessarily blocked by fable and myth. Many of us have those spiritual connection despite having believed in false things.

[@elodiesalgado4739]

Wonderful presentation. As a member of a twelve step community who is now renting your church’s and attending daily, I suggest you look there for answers to increasing attendance.

[@Dapaker]

James Ii was not "The Old Pretender"; James II was the father of "The Old Pretender", and grandfather of "The Young Pretender", the bonny Prince Charles.

[@nickmansfield1]

1:34:32 It's interesting that you mentioned The Great Depression earlier, then you mention 20 years. The world will be facing a crisis of enormous proportions within a few years, and in 2031, after 2000 years, on the eve of Armageddon, Jesus Christ will return and fulfill his role as The Messiah. God bless your church in her efforts to prepare for the upheaval on every front.

[@nickmansfield1]

@@brian5001 Because the historic record verifies the reality of prophecy from the Abrahamic religions.

[@theleakyprophet]

Historical and literary analysis has shown that biblical "prophecy of the future" is written after the fact. It's a literary endeavor. Any concrete predictions of the future are the words of man, not of God.

[@nickmansfield1]

@@theleakyprophet That is completely incorrect. I detail the prophecy of Daniel here in conjunction with The-Messiah but one can also consider Daniel with respect to the Beast prophesy in conjunction with Revelation, or Esther and the related literature from the B. Talmud. These are the most obvious detailed prophesies. Others are the advent of Mohammad in Deut.18 and 33, or the return of bani Israel which has been partially fulfilled since 1948. One could draw a longer list if required. The central thesis of Mark is Daniel. Jeff Cate's essay from the 2017 Birmingham Colloquium is essential reading in this case. He sent it to me free on request. Daniel contains a precise and accurate timeline for the First Advent of the promised Davidic Messiah, The Tsemach defined succinctly in Ezekiel 16 and The Qur'an, Surah 48: Birth of prophet Daniel, c.605BC, Dan.1:1-7, Siege of Jerusalem (I) by King Nebukadnetsar II, c.597BC, The Babylonian Chronicles, British Museum, also Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle, Donald Wiseman, 1956. Countdowns begin: Siege of Jerusalem (II) by King Nebukadnetsar, c.589-587BC, 2Kgs, 25:1-11, 2Chron.36:11-14, Jer.1:3, 32:4-5, 34:2-3, 39:1-10, 52:4-15, Removal of Mosaic Ark by Jeremiah & Kohenim, c. Late 588BC, 2Macc.2:4-7. 10 years conclude Foundation of Achaemenid Empire, c.550BC, Ancient History Encyclopedia Limited, Reign of King Darius (The Great) I, c.522-486BC, Behistun Inscription, Daniel's supplication to God for the promise of return, c.521-517BC, Daniel 9, Second Temple initially completed in Jerusalem, c.517BC, Ezra 6:13-15. 10 - 80 years conclude = 70 years Reign of King Xerxes I, c.486-465BC, Ancient History Encyclopedia Limited, Nehemia appointment as governor of Judea by royal decree, c.466-454BC, Neh.5:14 - Two reigning kings have been conflated as one by the writer of this scroll, Political intrigue forces a building cessation in Jerusalem, c.?-463?BC, Ezra 4:4-7, 23-24, Reign of King Artaxerxes I, c.465-424BC, Encyclopedia Britannica, Ezra and many supporters come up to Jerusalem as the wall is nearly rebuilt, c.458BC, Ezra 7:7 , others cite multiple sources: Greek olympiads, Ptolomy's Canon, Elephantine Papyri, Babylonian cuneiform tablets. 140 years conclude from Siege (I) of Jerusalem Jerusalem is secure and the ministry of Ezra has commenced as well as the weeks of years prophesied by Daniel, c.457BC, Ezra 9:9, Neh.7:1, Death of Ezra, c.455BC, Inferred by the absence of Ezra >Neh.13:3, Nehemiah is recalled to Babylon by King Artaxeres of Persia, c.454BC, Neh.13:6-7, Alterations to calendar by Dionysius Exiguus impact hereon, c.30BC, Pope Benedict XVI - Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives King Herod I (The Great) plans to finance a grand rebuild of the Second Temple, c.23BC/21BC by modern calendar, Basis of historic inference. 62 Weeks of years Herodian Temple rebuild commences, c.19BC/17BC by modern calendar, John 2:20, Flav. Josephus, Antiq. 15.11.1. Jesus born, c.3BC/1BC by modern calendar, Luke 3:23. Jesus' ministry commences, Mid-Month 11, 26AD/28AD by modern calendar, Daniel 9:24-27, Acceptable (Hebrew leap) year of Jesus' ministry - Jesus 30 years old, 27AD/29AD by modern calendar, Ex.12:5, Isa.61:1-2a, Luke 4:18-19. 7 Weeks of years Jesus rejected and publicly executed, Day 4, 14th day of Month 1, 28AD/30AD by modern calendar, Matthew 27:62-65, (Greek) 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 23:54-24:1, John 13:1, 29, 18:28, 19:42, Destruction of Jerusalem & Temple by Roman forces, Mid-68AD/70AD by modern calendar, Num.14:34, Deut.2:7, Ps.95:10, Ezek.4:6, Acts 13:18, Encyclopedia Britannica, Bab. Talmud Seder Mo'ed, Mas. Yoma39b. c.40 Years from St. Stephens stoning/end of 70 weeks of days.

[@jimtaggert42]

Wow, you converted Landru the Beta?

[@jimtaggert42]

(watch out for that guy)