The Pros and Cons of Adding Supplemental and Side Lighting (UV-A, UV-B, IR)

[@douglas9607]

Good tutorial conversation. Thanks, In-A-Pot and Thank you, Shane. I understand your point on providing a lamp that doesn't require a lot of fussing about and if I had a commercial grow. But for me and my obbsessive personality I enjoy tweaking the light depending on the plant's growth stage. Good vid guys, Thank you

[@trez8666]

I’ve been experimenting with supplemental lighting and can confirm it’s very beneficial. I personally just keep a 500w light at the bottom and I can confirm it’s makes a huge different in yield.

[@erdbeerzwiebel3404]

500w supplemental??

[@thedevilsadvocate3710]

CAP!

[@rmcnasty7319]

I use a G8600 above and G4500 as side lights, 1 on each wall , dimmed down. In a 5×5 Many more big buds, fill a 5×5 with 1 plant.

[@savajequander5747]

Adding side lighting increases the yield if using a grow box.. it mainly works on the under vegetation that normally doesn't get much light

[@swayzecrazy420]

❤ this guy is the best light tester ever. Great job 👏 thanks for having him on. Great info.

[@go_rizzo_grow]

Thanks for this video man, I've been wondering about side lighting for a while now

[@Bootysmoothie]

Me too, I have loads of wee extra lights and I thought of using them for this purpose. It's only 30 watts but they're nearly as bright as my others just tiny

[@go_rizzo_grow]

@@Bootysmoothie every bit helps right? I also have some extra lights that I'm going to use now

[@ramongranillo5891]

Did you end up don't it bro ?

[@LAndre2874]

This is one of my favorite videos you've ever been in. Men are always looking for some sort of angle, Edge or whiz-bangery that just doesn't exist, I think you just sealed the deal for me I'm just going to be happy with what I have currently until I can afford something better and it doesn't look like it's going to be this year 😢

[@rmcnasty7319]

I use added side lightning, It produces twice the amount of big buds.

[@7XHARDER]

My theory on this, not a pro by any means, but the genetics of indica/ruderalis plants are impacted by seasonal change unlike tropical sativas, and I think it has to do with the amount of daylight each region recieves. The steeper the angle of light is, hitting every leaf, the more surface area of each leaf is being contacted by every photon, so the plant doesn’t need to grow taller, thinner in order to gain the energy it needs from sunlight. It would explain why sativas grow thin and tall versus the bushy short genetics that are already receiving light from wider angles, so theoretically more light COULD create more vegetative growth, but too much light might trick the plants into maintaining the size they already have, since they have no extra demand for light. I think the trick to gaining the most yield per sqft is finding the golden ratio for lighting in vegetative state, and as soon as flower comes, keeping the light levels just a smidge brighter than the vegetative stage. I see lots of grows where people use powerful lights in their veg stage and either come into heating/burning issues, or the plants start off growing very slowly… however in some grows that I’ve seen labeled as “we ran into problems week x-x vegetative stage” I find that a lot of growers will accidentally give a plant too LITTLE light initially, but the plants demand for light is so great that they end up exponentially stretching. While that can be a bad thing, resulting in smaller yields, I’ve always wondered if starting out with barely enough light, and then slowly increasing 5-10% output a week until flowering stage can impact the size/yield of your grow, instead of traditionally getting the biggest LEDs and adding even more light in veg stage

[@toastiesburned9929]

I'm still new at this, but I have a suuuuper squat indica strain that is the best medicine I've had lately, so I'm gonna try to train it to stretch a little more and selectively prune it to give it more space and direct growth to the tops. Hopefully I can get this little bitch to produce, cause daddy want more. Oh yeah, I have a 4 plant count, so just cloning the shit out of it isn't really a legal option.

[@swayzecrazy420]

Yea I noticed that you don’t need too much light when in seedlings. I kept it at 60 percent. And 24 inches from the plants. I raised the lights wattage. I got veg over in 3 weeks. They grow like nuts. Now i moved them to the bloom tent and my hps. I started at 450 watts. 2 days later to 750 watts. After 5 days pistols were showing sex. Now I’m running at 1000 watts. They really stretched. Trying to go over the light. I have the vpd at a steady 1.36 26c and 50 percent humidity. They really stretched.

[@ericbergstrom3953]

I grow outdoors. I use light colored pea stone around my plants for a similar effect.

[@scizorsky9152]

Hey quick question, do you start counting the days of flower from when you flip the lights or first signs of pistils??

[@toastiesburned9929]

Flip

[@gardin9346]

indoor growers go off light flip outdoor you go off pistils cause you don't really know exactly when the plant flipped outside

[@jasonhiggins6236]

I found that 4 foot t5 ho worked great to supplement the sides of my quantum board leds .. I was also able to throw a uva uvb in combination with a 2700k bulb to add the uv and lower my over all veg/bloom spectrum from my led lights as well

[@cjmarch30]

Awesome content, Awesome Creator! Great work all along the way. Conversion bulbs were a thing-- I was HID for years (MH for veg HPS for flower ) now I've got a 4x8 tent, and a Mars fce-4800. Medical license Medical plants. 😀 How about a test of gualala robotics light rail? I'm going to try it, would love to get your take. 👍🏽👍🏽🙂

[@craigdawson7632]

I like having a gap down the side for a walk way/work space. If your hitting 1000ppfd on the top can the plant use more on the lowers that arent getting as much light without CO²? If you can make hairy legs worth while thats a lot of area. CO² is spendy here, then needing a closed loop and all that comes with that

[@Deonmarx]

Will I be able to produce pungent and good yields with plain 3.5k led strips without other spectrum lighting?

[@zilchandall]

No

[@Freedom_Born]

Thanks Dan. Thanks Shane. Needed info right about now. Brought a new 6 bar 480w light with no IR, although it was advertised. Fkng eBay

[@davidblack5551]

I just started using side lighting and it's GREAT

[@Bootysmoothie]

@@doubleooh7337 I have equivalent to 10k watts and i have used side lighting to simulate sunrise and sunset for the plants that cannot handle the brightness of my best lights. They sit underneath the canopy and still need direct light for a good 6 hours but with a thicker taller canopy it's hard to actually have it. It does help my desert plants living under everything else and a fairly large vanilla which would get sunburned if I sat it outside even.

[@Bootysmoothie]

It's also just a short 5x5, it's shocking what fits.

[@davidblack5551]

@@Bootysmoothie . EXACTLY all my plants love the side LEDS

[@davidblack5551]

@@doubleooh7337 I do have enough light some of the leaves block out the light my plants love the extra light

[@davidblack5551]

@@doubleooh7337 not sure but its 80 watts

[@Chris-cq5dy]

That was a great video Great concert and tips to know great show ✌

[@anthonyromano8565]

I read an article about a study and bottom not side lighting increase yield by 20 percent and increased the potency of the lower flowers.

[@foxfields9798]

Hey what happened to weed in a pot is everything okay?

[@STSKSP]

I use a 150w 6000k garage led from Amazon and dont seem to have any problems.

[@draper6043]

Bro what happened to your other page?

[@davidnichols8433]

I'm going to test this ,I have 6 boards from Rapid LED 4 660 red and 2 uv with my photontek 600 on top

[@ramongranillo5891]

How'd it go ?

[@jefferyjackson]

Good run down on lighting basics. Have used UVB with good results do need to run a separate timer best to have it set up at the begining of the grow. School of hard knocks there.

[@ridged8]

Great stuff. Side lighting is very important imo. Canopy penetration! Green leds are a much needed feature imo. It combines w/blue to make yellow. which the sun has plenty of. Combine that with red & we get the late afternoon orange that we also see plenty of.

[@sidy4506]

Thank you💙

[@sistergoldenhair2231]

Great topic!

[@hewasdeadwhenigotthere46]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

[@divinehonablue7189]

You can add uv-b with led

[@hamz5621]

Better and more efficient with fluorescent

[@davidblack5551]

I'm using 80 watt LED light strips

[@ascendordie7427]

So is the 20% far red from the sun the reason plants get so big outside? You know cause far red over 5% causes stretching... and is also backed up by the power of the sun and the microbiology

[@izzem]

Personally, think you should try your best to match the 🌞 spectrum

[@DelbertQuentin]

Seems like Shane is doing a dance around side lighting? When you're stuck with a fixed space and excellent top side lighting, side lighting must help with the lower parts of the canopy. Hopefully some of the lower branches will catch-up to the upper parts of the canopy, or at least form more substantial flowering below the canopy. Great video!

[@deleqtronica8733]

I think in a newer video he stated you get a 1 to 1 input to yield, making it very worth it.

[@juanccosmeperez8745]

What are you saying?? Red blue or full spectrum 😳😳😳🤦🤦🤦

[@PatrickWilson-hy5yf]

I love migro but in this one he only look at it as a led light producer if your light fixtures are low in wattage the plants can touch the light i know the light fixture wouldn't be that powerful but youre only supplementing light to maybe raise the par to a usable par if you add more like the barinas or the ac bars or even led shop lights you most likely wouldn't have to lollipop so you get a 20 to 30 percent increase in bottom canopy it was proven in your wardrobe grow

[@deleqtronica8733]

I don't think he's selling anything, he's giving valid advice. It's better to max out your top lighting before considering side lighting. Top lighting is much more efficient for the plants to absorb due to the way the leaves are orientated. I'm not saying side lighting isn't good or not efficient, it's just not efficient as top lighting. If you have a 300w in a 4x4, you will gain much more from an extra 200w on top than on the sides, if you're already running 500-700w ontop in a 4x4, you're already pretty much maxed out ontop at 1000+ umols, that's when it makes sense to look at adding more to the sides and under canopy.

[@PatrickWilson-hy5yf]

@@deleqtronica8733 it is valid but there is a more efficient way of lighting a grow tent compared to top light only I have tested this with a mars hydro ts2000 and a set of barrina 2ft led lights 80 watt for side lighting I used a total of 150 watts in 2x2 the one with side lighting had far better penatration I was able to get the same readings off 130 watt total using a combination of side and top lighting

[@doktorhunggari4415]

Individual diode's par output is limited to the color temp of that diode. A 3000k diode has a higher red to blue when a 5000k diode has a higher blue to red. Migro claims to be an expert however,,,, he fails to address diode color temps. Most new boards mix 3000k and 5000k together and the ratios are different between manufacturers. This ratio determines the wave length saturation and output spectrum thereby affecting plant morphology. Review lights based on plants growing under them instead of trusting words from a hungry entrepreneur...✌️

[@juanccosmeperez8745]

Not a clear enough to understand what is going on here???. We are used to your voice and pics on videos.. lol

[@IBMikmaq]

I thought green light was unusable light

[@juanccosmeperez8745]

What is he saying again???. Damn I'm trying to understand. But he just confused the heck out me. What is he saying😳💯✌️🤣