The Pros And Cons Of Paradox DLC - TommyKay Reacts To Why Is Paradox's DLC Policy So Controversial?

[@TopShot501st]

Its also next to impossible to teach new players Paradox games since the guides are old/ contain DLC you may or may not have. The DLC adds so many new features and depth it overwhelms new players. for dedicated players its great but it makes Paradox games more and more niche and may reduce the prospective audience size willing to learn it.

[@PSYCHOSCION]

at least in my experience, it's not hard. In 2019 my stepdad introduced me to ck2 and it was pretty easy. He just gave me a very bare run down like how stays work, claims, vassals, and armies. Didn’t start off in a big country, I started off in a small land in Ireland, and after our 3rd playthrough, I was doing better than him at times. Soon I started hoi4 and he gave the same explanation and it didn’t take long before I was doing well. Hoi4 is a huge difference in skill compared to CK but I still got the game down within a day.

[@evankearney4865]

yeah, I got hoi4 and subscribed to the dlc, I have around 200 hours and Im still a huge noob that loses to AI on normal lmao. I also have over 1k hours in ck2

[@tominieminen66]

I had a blast with CK2 with all the dlc's but it can be tasking, especially if you don't have the time

[@heltonrolobcv2181]

@@evankearney4865 same dude, i got 150 hours on hoi4 mainly offline, trying basically main country's mostly but after the Barbarossa dlc i feel i got worse when it comes to combat, before the meta was way more simple to understand, 10w to defend, 20 for attack or defense, and 40 to melt. Now is a bit more complicated plus your troops outta supply 24/7. For a new player it becomes hard to get good at the game, not necessarily learn the game, but there's just so much stuff and routes you can do that it's hard to be an enjoyable game for a long gaming session for example. I find myself playing it less and less, but watching a lot videos of it on yt or twitch streams

[@evankearney4865]

heltonrolobcv after sinking more hours into it and learning more, I really love the supply system and the combat changes. Hang in there! Keep playing powerhouse Germany that’s how I’m learning so much

[@AkiZukiLenn]

There DLC is as expensive as the main game , while provide less than the main game , this is not a healthy selling models .

[@JackoBanon1]

To be fair I don't remember how many versions of Hoi2 + add ons I bought back in the game. But every new release brought a lot of new content so I didn't mind paying it. As long as they still support the games I like and add new content like with NSB then I don't mind it at all.

[@Nachoto]

The main problem is that every new DLC breaks something from the previous patch and that will stay broken probably forever. Recently in HOI4 the Danzig for Slovakia/Danzig for guarantees that used to gave you the polish corridor you have claims on now only gives the city of Danzig, since the state was split into two and devs didn't bother to fix it, when Battle for Bosphorus came out i think it was Germany who got a core on a random turkish province bc the state id changed but the events and focuses still use the old id. The Hungarian focus from Death or Dishonor was broken in La Resistance because since LR France guarantees all of your neighbors, so now they are more likely to reject demands, which leads to a war with a major power if you want to expand. I don't have a problem with new content, i have a problem with new content breaking older content, which essentially defeats the entire purpose of buying it since it will be broken by the next DLC.

[@tony-te7gd]

Yeah, the old DLCs should be at the very least much cheaper, as they really dont stand up to modern standards. It makes no sense that some of the first hoi4 dlcs are comparable in price to modern ones, which add insane focus trees and mechanics.

[@Turan_U.]

When the Man The Guns dlc came out I couldn't get it and in all of my games USA were just going into civil wars and random ideologies and it stayed like that for such long time. Even now they made max infustrucre from 10 to 5 in provinces but it kills some focuses in some countries like Portugal. And I really don't want to talk about Italy as well...

[@baileyyule2333]

When dlc become old enough they should just make them free so it doesn't cost £100's of pounds to get all the content.

[@fredriknumse8991]

What about all the people who spend money on the dlc? A lot less people would buy dlc's if you get them for free at a later point

[@baileyyule2333]

@@fredriknumse8991 A game like EU4 is over 10 years old so buying a dlc in the first year and making it free years later is still fine because plenty of people want the content when it comes out and not delayed.

[@marihanderkhan5663]

@@fredriknumse8991 they could atleast make the very early dlcs free. Stuff like the First 3 eu4 dlcs added basically necessary content that I honestly forget were dlc in the first place. The early dlcs were all base game content that should have been there at release

[@awestruckbeaver3344]

I can't agree with making them free because you will ultimately upset those who spent full price when the dlc first came out. But I can more than agree on a huge price reduction. Like 75-80% off. And the same for the more essential DLC like common sense and art of war

[@marihanderkhan5663]

@@awestruckbeaver3344 some of the dlc is 6 years old man. If you get mad about dlc becoming free after 6 years, thats not anyones problem other than yours. Im more than glad when old stuff becomes free after a while.

[@ar5846]

basiically tommi being ADHD

[@TopShot501st]

EUIV is the worst at this...If you bought all the EUIV DLC at full price it adds up to several hundred dollars. when the base game is $40. And most of the DLC is rebalance/ New ways of doing the same things. Paradox DLC is basically feature creep where the game with all the DLC no longer resembles the base game.

[@guilty_mulburry5903]

The guy who showed how to pirate the Paradox and Creative Assembly DLC got banned off of KZbin, RIP

[@Supergforce777]

For eu4 specifically, I feel like early dlc/patch gave you more options to expand quicker and become more powerful, where in the newer patches kept on throwing on more restrictions and left you weaker. Why wouldn’t I just play on the old patch and not pay money.

[@marcelk2753]

You're so right. And if you dont have the DLC mechanics to help these restrictions, the game becomes so frustrating.

[@miguelpadeiro762]

I love the current state of imperator (the old imperator however...let's not talk about it), its story is so sad, so much work put in turning it around just to be abandoned

[@TopShot501st]

It took the worst parts of CK and EUIV and tried to combine then it sucked, took then 2 years to fix it by then the game was dead with no new actual content to keep people playing it. I put a 100 hours in imperator and each campaign felt so samey.

[@fifa4lifeunknow795]

@@TopShot501st 2.o it had all the groundwork was perfect to be sccesfull they just needed to keep working on it instead they abandon it again

[@TopShot501st]

@@fifa4lifeunknow795 the game has like 500-1000 concurrent players post 2.0... If the rebuild didnt take 2 years maybe it had a chance to become a CK3, EUIV, Stellaris equivalent for Paradox.

[@jake4524]

4:00 Homie really just never actually listens to the videos he watches and then says he doesn't understand the points made lol

[@nose766]

They should really make the main game cheaper for every DLC that comes out. After 10 DLCs the main game should be free

[@jimmyoflogerty9982]

Why is he talking like a robot?

[@No-ez5fd]

He’s a bri*isher

[@eagle_and_the_dragon]

@@No-ez5fd pls no bully 🥹🥹

[@marcelk2753]

Yeah very hard to listen

[@arturo0727]

I have mixed feelings toward Paradox DLC because they only give you extra features that should have already included from the beginning. And mostly for HOI4 or EU4, the workshop community already has something similar available. For example the railroad system before NSB already kinda existed in the Black Ice Mod. There were already some mods that allowed you in increase stats of Tanks. I don't remember the name it was a mod that starts in the 1860's, already had a feature for officer Corp system similar to NSB. Don't get me started in Focus trees. This is something that you could code in the weekend similar to what NSB has.

[@yahelgamer32]

I think you are reffering to end of a new beggining

[@HackerArmy03]

Again, BUY THE BASE GAME BUT PIRATE PARADOX DLC'S!

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

100% better for mods

[@Deleted1]

Paradox needs to start making any dlc that is a year old either free or extremely cheap.

[@Deleted1]

like half of EUIV dic should just be free at this point

[@marihanderkhan5663]

I hope theyll do that once eu5 comes around

[@yourlocalcanadian5854]

"Civ yeah, for people with no girlfriend's" - Tommy Me: joke's on you I am the gf😎

[@ronanwaring3408]

Yea they need to take some of the old now irrelevant dlc's and just made them free or include them entirely into the base game it would help deffuse the issue and new players want to buy them but cannot afford the full experience it'll help them out a bit

[@evilemuempire9550]

It still blows my mind that you can’t dev in vanilla EU4, it takes away one the most important mechanics of the game

[@tkh846]

So what about those who paid for those dlc's? What if you buy 4 dlc' and then they all become free. People would be mad, because they could have bought the other dlc.

[@marcelk2753]

@@evilemuempire9550 thats the problem. Adding content is ok, but vanilla EU4 is unplayable. Thats not what gaming supposed to be.

[@evilemuempire9550]

@@tkh846 That’s literally what happened to me with CK2, a few months after buying it it became free

[@senseishu937]

@@tkh846 that's normal. Games go on sale at least a year later than release, sometimes cutting the price in half for holidays like Christmas. We don't see people crying about that. DLC that is older than two years old should be free.

[@raff4874]

paradox should just make all their base games free considering how many dlcs each one has making it costs hundreds of dollars intotal and there's much more i can say but don't feel like but i think making the base game free would be great and balance it out

[@PSYCHOSCION]

I don’t see how paradox games are challenging. At least to me and for my experiences. In 2019 my stepdad introduced me to ck2 and it was pretty easy. He just gave me a very bare run down like how stays work, claims, vassals, and armies. Didn’t start off in a big country, I started off in a small land in Ireland, and after our 3rd play through I was doing better than him at times. Soon I started hoi4 and he gave the same explanation and it didn’t take long before I was doing well. Hoi4 is a huge difference in skill compared to CK but I still got the game down within a day

[@darkmemes953]

Bruh you stepdad plays paradox games? Thats cool lol.

[@PSYCHOSCION]

@@darkmemes953 yeah mate. It’s how I became an “evolved gamer” introduced me to cod at 8 . Right now we play tarkov the most.

[@darkmemes953]

@@PSYCHOSCION Me too. I took a break from Tarkov for couple of months and I started playing it again- its fun ngl, except the part where you get head-eyes.

[@TMreal05]

@@PSYCHOSCION "evolved gamer" 🤓

[@PSYCHOSCION]

@@darkmemes953 best part right now is how the roubbles are worth nothing from the sanctions. Tarkov economy real bad now.

[@krawdad4600]

the biggest problem with the DLCs is the price. i'll bet that "only buy on sale" is tacked onto at least 75% of reviews that are longer than a single sentence on all the various DLC's store pages. the amount of content added does not equate to the price to get that content. No Step Back is $20, and base-game HOI4 is $40. NSB doesn't add enough content to rival half the content of the base game, it's not even close to a quarter. i guarantee the reviews for Paradox's DLCs would largely be "mostly positive" and up if the most expensive they ever were was $5.

[@marihanderkhan5663]

I feel 5$ is harsh since they are a big company. But I sure as hell wont pay more than 10$ for a single dlc. But at the same time, if youre game has 100dlcs, making your older ones cheap or even free doesnt hurt a bit

[@krawdad4600]

@@marihanderkhan5663 it’s not harsh, they don’t host servers for any of their games. their only recurring losses are paying their employees.

[@DandyDNA]

Paradox's DLC is terrible because they are charging you hundreds of dollars for content that Hoi2 and 3 LAUNCHED with

[@Turan_U.]

Its been 8 years for hoi4 and still there are less stuff than hoi3 had...

[@NostalgiaVivec]

My friends often feel like the DLC is a lot of stuff that just should have been in the game from the start

[@carnage237]

Definitely this. and also the time it takes for them to release DLC as for CK3's Royal Court was very long for what it added including its high price.

[@EddieBurke]

Pirating the DLC is the only answer for players like me.

[@totalwar1793]

Yeah, I’ve CreamAPI’d the DLC for Stellaris, CK 2 and when I get EU 4

[@terrypennington2519]

@@totalwar1793 CreamAPI? What's that?

[@totalwar1793]

@@terrypennington2519 A way to get all the DLC for free

[@terrypennington2519]

@@totalwar1793 Safe?

[@totalwar1793]

@@terrypennington2519 Yes

[@kilo-cr4ig]

I always wonder why every time a new DLC comes out that's universerly thought to be bad do influencers get quiet about it and say nothing, like is paradox paying them that much? They pay these KZbinrs and get them to say nice things about the dlc to get everyone to believe that everyone is just hating and the reviews are irrelevant. This kinda lowers my respect for the KZbinrs that do this and become paradox shells. I bought that 30 dollar new ck3 DLC and ignored the reviews because the KZbinrs that I watched praised the DLC and said that the reviews are just review bombs. They basically got these KZbinrs to run my pockets and rob me because i foolishly believed these shells. That new ck3 dlc is so not worth it that its not even funny, the dlc before that for example had way more content and features for half the price, not to mention its boring as hll and makes you wonder why they took this long to release something modders could have done in less than a month.

[@cronchcrunch]

Reviewers usually get review keys, so they don't care about the price and review it as if it was free. People who don't have a ton of disposable income are the ones who feel burnt by paradox, that's why you see such a huge disconnect between reviews on KZbin vs Steam. Paradox isn't paying reviewers off, reviewers just ignore the price tag since the value you get for the price is going to depend on how rich you are.

[@kilo-cr4ig]

@@cronchcrunch I have a problem with the fact that they never have a problem with anything that paradox does. People like barverian always give paradox the benefit of the doubt and treat everything they do as innovative and game-changing. This is what we got after waiting a year for them to finally make the game less dull. He's the main person I lost respect for. There's no reason for an addition to a series to be worse than the last version on launch. They do this stuff on purpose to try and have the full game behind 200 dollars of DLC, which is why I will never give them the benefit of the doubt. ck2 at the moment is way better than ck3 other than the fact that I'm burned out with ck2, so I have to play this inferior version.

[@senseishu937]

What's bad about the new dlc?

[@swadianknight9394]

This video was basically Tommy dissing another Tom because of the way he speaks

[@BAMFZone95]

I dont play paradox games anymore because the massive amounts of dlcs. I've almost stopped watching any content related to paradox games. Because I dont want to get excited for a game with hundreds of dollars worth of dlcs. Which are arguably needed to have a more enjoyable time with their games. Paradox is the only company that makes me feel like pirating their dlcs.

[@chickensheet6582]

I just buy the base game and pirate every DLC

[@darkmemes953]

Same, I did that for hoi4 and ck2

[@darkmemes953]

@Klaus Schwab Search on KZbin how to download hoi4/ck2 for free," here is the link for the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5rOY2itpq6ofNE

[@willkazarianhodder6476]

The video maker regarded No Step Back as a DLC with a good reception

[@CMDR-DR-SGT]

all the dlc's that I have is music ones, I don;t really care about the dlc's that much I only have music lol, its enough for me

[@alexdreFalke]

I like the DLCs but they cost too much.. 20€ for a few focus trees and like 3 new mechanics? Honestly, 10€ would be fine but 20€ is just too much to charge for that. That's why I buy from Key Stores

[@awestruckbeaver3344]

That's why I'm holding off on no step back until it comes down in price. 20€ / £19.99 is just too much money for as you quiet rightly put it a few focus trees and maybe a new mechanic. And battle for the bosphorous was just pathetically expensive for what it offered

[@Barakeh]

Paradox should works harder on introducing tutorials to new players, other than that City Skyline is the only game of there's that I have abandoned

[@zondor8123]

Just cap the dlc to 10 or something, and if it reaches that point then focus on making new games again

[@jamesflynn6827]

If you don't like it just pirate them.

[@bigcrowe9573]

Okay hoi4 base game and then play hoi4 with a single mode or more...the hoi 4 base game which cost around 40 dollars in my country feels like a ripoff

[@maxpower8158]

they patched hoi 4 so hard its nothing like the old game i liked and i cant even recognize that game anymore old version dont go far back enough for me i feel scammed i want the hoi4 i bought and paid for years ago but its gone.

[@angelo3998]

make another great game in hoi4 Tommy kay

[@totalernonsens3886]

Please watch history of the world I guess

[@SerHoratio]

is monke banana minion family guy? peter griffin simpsons crossover is likley if argument of apples are accounted for.

[@LLAANN1988]

They're are not a mega company like epic games and cant make games every year however small content things keep them in business. So people should stop thinking its that unresonable.

[@marcelk2753]

Its not unreasonable for the company but it is bad for us gamers. I bought EU4 when it released and loved the game. But i couldnt afford the DLCs and so couldnt keep up. Now EU4 is just broken.

[@MisterCOM]

@@marcelk2753 it isnt to bad when you keep up with it but boy does it suck when you have to play catchup with the dlc I would just install the steam+ plugin and watch for some insane deals or get 90% of them for 10€ when they are in an new humble bundle

[@marcelk2753]

@@MisterCOM yeah i already have most DLCs because of Humble Bundle and my financial sitution is way better but i cant get into EU4 any more. It feels broken.