The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Max Weber

We cover the basic ideas from Max Weber's "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" to set the foundation for the colonizing of New England and explore one theory for how modern capitalism came into being.
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[@Sunfried1]

Regarding your example of the Asian work ethic, keep in mind that countries like Japan and South Korea have been heavily influenced by Confucianism and its work ethic which is traditionally interpreted in terms of diligent loyalty toward one's superiors.

[@capel7662]

Great point!

[@Alex-zl5ht]

0:00 prelude- Martin Luther ect. 16:10 Max Weber 17:50 economic traditionalism 19:40 economic rationalism 31:00 work 52:50- 53:40 Weber's parents 57:00 persecution? Calvinists

[@Maxito1275]

I love you

[@ashleywest7046]

Your amazing

[@CBlade0]

Excellent episode to be sure. From breaking down his arguments, it really sounds like his conclusion is a series of inferences, not actually stated by leaders at the time in any way, or without sources.

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

Thanks for watching!

[@Goofy8907]

For such a long episode, it would be been awesome if you initially explained what "selling indulgences" and "purgatory" even is I had to search to figure it out, which is fine But it would've been nice if it had been explained I did not at all know it was a thing It is truly crazy and again shows all the contradictions with hierarchical institutions as well as how their defenders are completely unaware of how messed up they are while blaming others Anyways, great episode once again

[@waywardgeologist2520]

51:09 no, those who have certain things worked hard for them, spent time and personal energy to obtain things, practice frugality, and avoided destructive devices.

[@waywardgeologist2520]

50:13 because “you don’t work, you don’t eat.” As for the vacant house, it’s someone’s private property, not yours, not mine. If a person wants their own house let them do like I did build it with their own hands.

[@bille6428]

Just wish there were more commercials breaks

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

Lol.

[@mrkappas6146]

Nice podcast, I have really enjoyed it thus far, but I would like to make an argument on the last segment regarding the persecution(3 last minutes of the episode). It is very dangerous to justify a persecution, even more dangerous to say that they brought it upon themselves.

[@beenasfarastodecidetouseve6733]

I liked this podcast, but found this part funny. Imagine applying the same logic to the countless Jewish persecutions throughout history. With the same logic: "how could everyone who persecuted them be wrong? What are the chances! They brought it upon themselves." Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to discuss when particular groups DO bring persecution on themselves. But I doubt these two would speak so openly about any other group that isn't Christian.

[@JohnSmith-vm8rx]

“Marxism teaches us that history is not meaningless. The present situation is not an expression of the madness or the inherent wickedness of men and women. The great philosopher Spinoza once said: “neither weep nor laugh, but understand!” That is very sound advice, for if we are not able to understand.” - Alan Woods, What is Marxism?

[@Goofy8907]

36:15 there are no goats for chickens as "money" Have you not read Graebar?

[@JoeyAfrika]

44:00 is everyone really a capitalist? Can you be a capitalist if you don't own the means of production?

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

Good philosophical question...though things have become more diffuse since Weber's days. The answer is complex (and thus one way capitalism perpetuates itself ideally).

[@JoeyAfrika]

Another great video! Getting through the myth is amerikkka series. Can yall please repost the video on the trilateral commission? That was one of the most powerful video on KZbin! Anyway Peace yall

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

We can't. They keep taking it down. It's here if you want: odysee.com/@RevolutionAndIdeology:2/the-trilateral-commission-and-the-crisis:c

[@JoeyAfrika]

@@RevolutionandIdeology thanks for the link. Just shared it with about 5 people. I think the trilateral commision took the crisis of democracy PDF down

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

@@JoeyAfrika It's on the Internet Archive: ia800305.us.archive.org/29/items/TheCrisisOfDemocracy-TrilateralCommission-1975/crisis_of_democracy_text.pdf

[@waywardgeologist2520]

49:35 strange left out China.

[@ArmandoPineda-fc1wl]

Luther decentralized religion.

[@GarySmith-vi9fi]

This podcast seems takes a Revisionist historical view of all the issues. It appears to repeatedly interpret Calvin through the lens of those who would take the most carnal position rather than those who reasonably assess Calvin in line with Scripture. This podcast seems to assume the former were not only the most dominant but the only position worth discussing. But I would think the theology of the Sabbath in relation to the importance of "rest" would be a an important part of the Protestant work ethic and would balance the position presented here.

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

"This podcast" is merely discussing the ideas of Max Weber.

[@captainzork6109]

Good points, I think

[@Shindler39]

Great point, the theology of the Sabbath and the importance of the day of the Lord is part of calvinism.

[@bungalowlogic7676]

Just read the book. Weber mentions the publication of the Book of Sports in the 1630s by King James I and Charles I which made allowances for leisure activities on the Sabbath Sunday. Implied is that it was decreed maybe as antagonistic to the strict rules Calvinists adhered to.

[@ArmandoPineda-fc1wl]

Talk about the looting of catholic monasteries.

[@waywardgeologist2520]

50:49 it isn’t. The question should be why are they homeless? They are in control of their own lives and what choices have they made? Probably bad ones.

[@waywardgeologist2520]

49:00 Jesus did it because it was being done in the Temple, God’s house, not specifically the act.

[@robertbergdahl]

John Calvin held the inverse of capitalism. His view on usury would prohibit the rise of a commercial banking class and absolutely prohibited interest on loans to the poor, which would have been most of the working class population of all Europe. Capitalism rises from the civil nation state and empire, not the church. Nationalized greed not individual works of piety. Way too simplified theological history in this episode. Jesus cleansing the temple of moneychangers proves the theological point. Protecting the poor from the business class is required for the christian. Chicago School be damned! Frederick Nymeyer, John Calvin on Interest, Progressive Calvinism , vol. 3 (1957), 55.

[@ChicagoTurtle1]

Wait. First printing press was invented in Korea? It seems like even before that, it’s China or Sumer.

[@09diz]

faith in currency is way older than the protestant movement.

[@dougknibbe7053]

Anyone who is prideful in association with the doctrine of election has missed the point. The beauty of capitalism is that you benefit by serving others.

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

What flavor?

[@09diz]

i cant believe! you´re blaming vanity on calvinism? like it is some sort of a branch of it.

[@09diz]

status is a biological pursue.

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

Good talk

[@reachvictoria3386]

The level at which you misrepresent Calvinism/Calvinists is almost shocking. But based on the agenda of this channel is hardly surprising.

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

Be mad at Weber.

[@reachvictoria3386]

@@RevolutionandIdeology right. Anyway, I don’t recall saying anything about being mad, but if that’s your takeaway, fine. Like I said, the misrepresentation was “almost shocking,” but not really shocking, all things considered. The first commented (deleted?) was likewise not really shocking. This one wasn’t really necessary or relevant.

[@Moodboard39]

@@reachvictoria3386did he really or u just blaming

[@PL-jm8ew]

Wow, these guys have no understanding of Protestantism.

[@Moodboard39]

Different topic