The Psychology of OJ Simpson

[@0tube0user]

In one interview OJ said there's a big difference between date rape and a street rape, shows the fine line he uses to determine right and wrong.

[@johndeagle4389]

Narcissism and attachment makes more sense than the racism theory.

[@u.s.paratroops4633]

"The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Indeed

[@JT-lt5gr]

@Lori Massacci Wowee! It's incredible that you actually believe what you are writing.

[@JT-lt5gr]

@Lori Massacci Dr. Kirk Honda, what do you think about this comment? (I know what I think. I guess everyone else does, too, since I left a comment.) OMG, incredible.

[@bigdaddycool4242]

Lori Massacci Over 14 years, there were multiple incidents that were witnessed, written down and reported. I’ve read somewhere of 60+ incidents over that time frame. If you don’t call that escalation, you’re delusional. Saying that he only hit her once is laughable. Even OJ said the cops had been to the house 8 times. The reason he stopped after the 1989 incident, is because of a revision in their prenup, that if he laid a hand on her again, she’d get half of that estimated 10 million dollar fortune. Stop with the Jason Simpson narrative. There isn’t a shred of evidence that points to Jason, yet hundreds that points to OJ.

[@davidlewis4162]

I still can’t believe people still say oj didn’t do it, whilst being chased he said to the police on the phone “I deserve to die, all I ever did was love Nicole” for me that’s pretty much admitting it. Then the hypothetical confession. And people still think he didn’t do it !

[@christinewright110]

An abuser doesn't love his victim. He wants to own her and that's not love.

[@Laceylunai]

Kat Williams said it best when talking about OJ’s book “If I Did It” - “What if you had shut the hell up”

[@truenorth7949]

great analysis ....and you have a nice voice which makes it enjoyable to listen to

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks!

[@Dadaandthepillsband]

The way you see and explain things is so refreshing!

[@NumeMoon]

I used to work for a rehab agency for people with TBI (traumatic brain injury), and I noticed some of the comments on this video are about CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy). This is a very real thing. I know firsthand that some of these clients were the nicest people, compassionate, kind, even empathetic. But there's a common side effect with this kind of brain injury... It often causes latent or minor psych issues to present as acute psych disorders. This can be gradual or sudden, it can come and go, and there's rarely any warning, which is why all staff had to be trained in some "passive self-defense" verbal de-escalation courses as part of our training, along with some simple (gentle) physical self-defense to get out of various holds, block kicks, hits, bites, etc, without harming the clients. Not to preach, but I hope it's helpful to include that aside from sudden violent outbursts, these clients _commonly_ suffer short term memory loss, meaning they won't remember jack about what just happened. It's heartbreaking to have to tell them why so-and-so won't talk to them anymore, or why such-and-such place banned them from returning ever again... why their kids never visit. As a caretaker, you'll be "lucky" if their motor functions are at least slightly diminished. However, in some cases the client will have retained all motor function and athleticism. In these cases, the clients are kept in higher security "group homes" with highly experienced staff. It's an understatement to say they these clients are a threat to the community. They can be dangerous to themselves and others. Sometimes the police would be called, and it was part of the job to handle that too. It's not a "get out of jail free" card, but it definitely gets the charges dropped FAST with medical records. (NOTE: It's not a great legal defense since it can often result in requiring the services of such an agency as the one I worked at FOR LIFE!) I'm not excusing OJ. because I think prison is the safest place for him to be. Just saying, he suffered brain trauma during his football career, so it's easy to imagine him having a huge outburst to a minor transgression with very little (if any) recall. EDIT: I also think you're right about the signs. Someone should have stopped it before it ever happened.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Yes, agreed. CTE could have been a factor.

[@josephswabe5584]

You say "the details of this murder" as if you have read and analyzed the autopsy report. If you did, then you would know that Nicole was killed by a left handed assailant with a single edge knife and Ron was killed by at least 2 assailants( one with a single edge and a double edge knife). So when you say most expert are 100 percent sure OJ killed Nicole and Ron, that's BS. The so called evidence proven to be planted during the case. If you clearly remember the trial, Kato said that he and OJ went to the location the bloody glove was discovered by Furhman. When Kato and OJ went to that location they had flashlights and didn't see anything. Furhman went back there without a flashlight and saw the glove on top of leaves. The Bruno Magli shoe prints in the photos fit perfectly in the tiles at Bundy. Detective Lang testified the size of the tiles were 11and a half square inches, which means that OJ didn't wear those shoes because he wears a size 12. Domestic violence: There were only 2 documented cases of domestic violence. After the incident in 1989, OJ restructured his prenuptial agreement to give Nicole all his money and assets if he would ever touch her violently again. She was initially entitled to nothing. So why would you make a video without doing the research? Because you were lied to by the same entity that makes OJ look guilty when he is innocent. Last but not least: The courts have sealed the phone records of Juditha Brown (Nicole's Mother). She said she was on the phone with Nicole at 11pm on the night of the murders. Well OJ was in his limo at the time. Why would they seal phone records. This is very important because no one can be in two places at on time. The DA attorney's office is protecting it's self.

[@bobshilling5993]

Joseph Swabe Even if it's possible he didn't do it, he may have hired someone to kill her. She told many people that she was so afraid he would kill her and get away with it. She said she couldn't ever leave him or he would kill her. The therapist she visited who is a famous author on abuse, and the therapist told her she was afraid for Nicole's life. She made many calls to police over the years, and other people in her life have accounts she gave them of abuse. If you watch the video interviews of OJ by the police, he has zero emotion, including over pictures of her having been beat up by him. He is almost joking and laughing. I have watched tons of interviews of him. He never ever expresses mourning or even sadness over her death. In fact one time he says he often feels angry at her still. (These are the reasons I DO believe he is a psychopath. Not normal at all. Very shallow emotion, no regard for others' humanity or even their lives. Psychopaths can often be charming, helpful people who extend themselves to be a friend to people as many have said of OJ. But they are also compulsive cheaters (as he was at games like golf and poker), and at marriage lol, compulsive liars, users and abusers. And killers

[@davidg7283]

@@josephswabe5584 Anyone with common sense KNOWS HE DID IT. I wear size 12 shoes and can also wear an 11.5 without a problem. Let me ask u....when u get a gash on ur finger that drips blood u know how u did it right? I'd think so but when first interviewed after coming back from Chicago and informed that they found blood on the outside & inside of his Bronco (BEFORE THEY EVEN TOOK HIS BLOOD SAMPLE) he says he may have cut it while retrieving his phone outta the vehicle or while playing golf (Lol & Smh) I've never in 41 years EVER heard of someone cutting their finger while doing either of those 2 things. Then during the trial says it happened when he slammed a glass down on the table in Chicago. How would the cops get his blood and plant it everywhere? (crime scene, his house & vehicle) without knowing if he had an air tight alibi and had been in f'ing Antarctica for the past week. This is just 1 of many things that anyone with a brain knows that HE DID IT. PERIOD. All this left handed shoes a half size too small shit is irrelevant, HE DID IT, ALL THAT SAYS IS THAT HE MAY HAVE HAD ANOTHER PSYCHOPATH WITH HIM TO ASSIST, BUT HE WAS INVOLVED WITHOUT A DOUBT. Unless ur just in denial and don't wanna believe HE DID IT!!! COME ON, THESE ARE THINGS A CHILD CAN FIGURE OUT. Also i can't see him slamming a glass down when finding out she bad been murdered. When else has he shown any emotion in reguards to her and Rons deaths? Every interview I've ever watched since the trial is all about him. It's always about him. Your entitled to ur opinion but most ppl know HE'S A COLD BLOODED KILLER. Edit: One other thing, WHY WOULD HE LIE ABOUT OWNING THE BRUNO MAGLI SHOES??? Then they show 3 seperate photos of him wearing them just months before he did what he did. HE OWNED ONLY 1 OF EITHER 199 OR 200 (can't remember which) PAIRS SOLD IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. HE'LL GO IN FRONT OF THE REAL JUDGE ONE DAY.

[@ceciliaanthony3219]

@@davidg7283 THANK YOU for pointing out some common sense, reading the above comment was so frustrating, it's common for shoe sizes to be half sizes too big or too small depending on the brand, hence people will have differentiating sizes by about a half (at least) or more.

[@quatreunhuit]

"I'm not black, I'm OJ" [...] [...] "Ok"

[@mileycyrus7538]

I am to black stop lying

[@SovereignStatesman]

So why the race-card during his trial?

[@cherrycordiaI]

@@SovereignStatesman He's only black when it suits him.

[@christinedimiceli6920]

My thought process concerning his intelligence, is all of the concussions that he has had during his football career is definitely going to have an impact on his cognitive ability.

[@calliepeace1497]

I’d love to hear an episode on the psychology of DeeDee Blanchard! And gypsy rose her daughter

[@ChanelDupare111]

I completely agree:) I would love to hear that

[@ninaenamorada079]

@@ChanelDupare111 Good news, there's an episode on Manchausen by proxy by Dr. Honda on KZbin, he talks a lot about that case

[@cynthiaallen9225]

No one did anything because they were star struck, even her parents and sisters were. It's pathetic.

[@singlepringle7485]

I really enjoyed listening to you. As the daughter of a mother with (officially diagnosed) narcissism I can totally relate to your assesment. It's a very difficult topic, but you treat it with respect and honesty. Thank you for your work!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks so much, Nina. Super cool of you. I'm sorry you had to go through that. That must have been rough.

[@jennifersimpson5288]

I have not a clue why I decided to put this particular episode on at night after getting stoned. just laying in the dark kinda freaked out. But anyways it's very well done and interesting. Thank you.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Ha! Thanks, Jennifer!

[@jacquiehosey1029]

Jennifer Simpson 😂😂

[@ammlseri5769]

Maybe because you have the same last name? 😅

[@MK-vj5eh]

From my experience with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, they would love-bomb, devalue, discard, hoover, repeat, over & over. He lacked empathy for others, didn't care about anything that wasn't about him, would say he loved me, acted like he hated me, would rage to get what he wanted, used vile language to put me down, wanted to steal my life, was obsessed with gaining power and control over everything (except himself), still hasn't left me alone, always trying to stay in my head, wanted me to be his slave, until I learned about NPD and went no contact (best decision ever).

[@paulsullivan1650]

I studied psychopathy in college. And you're exactly right about narcissism. They very often go hand in hand. What you went through is absolutely unspeakable. You're lucky to be here to share your story. I'm glad that you are. My dad controlled my mom every day of her adult life, beating her, and phsycologically abusing her. I witnessed it first hand, which is why I advocate against domestic violence. My niece was murdered by her boyfriend when she tried to leave him. He shot her in the head, and put her body in a dumpster. Men that behave this way are obviously cowards. I have been teaching self defense to women for almost 16 years, and it's the best choice I've ever made. My wife Janine just passed away two months ago from multiple sclerosis. If I could have just one more day with her, I'd give everything I have. I protected her, which is what a man is supposed to do. Anyway, again I'm glad you've survived your ordeal. ♡♡

[@ShunyamNiketana]

He was an important black celebrity, a good looking, likable presence that helped white people 'sigh' with guilt-relief and feel they had a friend. He was also a supreme FB player that fans were in awe of. He wasn't a skilled TV sports commentator at first, but he developed, and his role on the Monday night football team with Howard Cosell, Don Meredith, and Frank Gifford was wonderful entertainment. And so it came as a shock to many when he was first announced as a suspect in the summer of '94, though it wasn't shocking to those closer to his situation who knew of his problems with domestic violence. One interesting point that emerged on the talk shows was that the murder was typical of a common crime: murder by jealous rage. Set aside the fame and you have a suspect that ticks off most of the boxes for this kind of criminal profile.

[@AmusedChild]

I don't know if OJ even thought so far as to think about the possible advantages of Nicole's death. I think he simply saw red, got violent, maybe even blacked out during the murders, and like a child didn't expect her to stay dead! But who's to say?

[@lisakaye3919]

AmusedChild but why? Why didnt he snap and kill her when he saw her giving keith zlomswitch oral sex on the couch with their kids upstairs? That would have been the time then. How about when he found out she fucked his friend Marcus Allen? That would make alot of men snap. But he kills her bcuz she didnt invite him to dinner? Please that doesnt even make sense.

[@AmusedChild]

Straw that broke the camel's back, maybe.

[@christyjackson4835]

+mz Kaye Its possible because it wasn't just about dinner. She rejected him in front of her family, they are white. He wanted to be white. He saw it as being excluded and "invisible" . She hurt his black pride. Plus she did it callously and cruelly in front of his chikdren, so he felt humiliated. He no longer had control. He blew a fuse.

[@cynthialyman2636]

He wasn't thinking: he was seized my an impulse and simply acting it out. No thought processes came into play until AFTER he had done the deed, which as this analyst points out is when he behaved like a guilty person: swept with guilt and regret and fearing he would pay a high price.

[@cynthialyman2636]

It's cumulative: rage builds slowly in some cases, then suddenly comes to a full boil. What if he just went over there with the intention to stalk her or spy on her again and then he sees her in that cute little black dress chatting up the younger Ron Goldman. You actually believe that couldn't throw him into a final frenzy, cuz as someone who's had jealous men in my life, I sure do.

[@bodywithoutorgans3942]

I watch a whole lot of shows and listen to podcasts devoted to true crime. I know why OJ cut his hand during the crime. It's one of the first things cops look for in stabbing murders, because most knives are not designed for that (they are mostly for cooking). It is extremely common when stabbing someone for the blade to get slick with blood, and for the perpetrator's hand to slip and cut him or herself in the process. One of the first things the police will do is look at a suspect's hands. OJ fails that test, just like most others based on any sort of factual evidence. Too much Investigation Discovery and Sword and Scale. I've had a fascination for what goes through people's heads when they do something really awful for as long as I can remember.

[@breeanagill9207]

Body Without Organs. Hello. On Sunday Dec 4 2005 I was arrested after shooting my x boyfriend when he was taking a shower. I was thinking about survival and stopping my abuse.i was totally focused on darrin,nothing else. I was sent to jail and prison for 11 years. I had thoughts about how my ex boyfriend wanted to destroy me and my life.we lived in covington,Washington state. My legal first name is Brenna.i am 47 now.its 2018.

[@marilyndargis4928]

Body Without Organs

[@Rogerthatx10]

Jim Jim it was not backed up by anyone! He claimed he did it in his hotel room. Unless you are suggesting he had CCTV in his private hotel room? Nonsense.

[@VideoFanatic02]

@@Jim.Jim.32 Wrong as usual.

[@Jmorris4181]

I have always had one thought or question regarding the cuts on Simpson’s hands and the gloves he wore. The question is....Do any of the cuts on his hands line up with a cut, tear, or slice in the corresponding glove? I don’t think I’ve heard that this question ever has been asked by any law enforcement person or even any journalist. Does any one have any information that might provide an answer to this question?

[@robinsmith3987]

Dr Honda -- enjoyed your breakdown of OJ. What a sad person who gave it all up to feel in control

[@GS-gd4yc]

Unfortunately this kind of murder is all too common. Abusers often end up killing their spouse/ ex-spouse/ partner. Narcissistic rage is clear in this case. Just to bring up another case of the same type... look up Dominique Dunne. Her ex-boyfriend murdered her, and got only 2.5 years in prison. I think that was because he didn’t remember the murder. He didn’t deny it, but he didn’t remember and I believe that, because narcissistic rage can blind people to what they are doing. They are so angry, so distraught, so enraged that they act out without thinking or being in total control of their actions. This doesn’t mean they aren’t responsible for their actions. Not at all! But it makes sense to me with OJ, based on the history of abuse. How the relationship began,, how it progressed and how it tragically ended. It wasn’t a black and white thing. It was a Narcissistic rage episode of an abuser. Look up cases where this happens. It’s common. Unfortunately.

[@helenkennedy332]

You are amazing. Calm voice and you are so intelligent!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Aw Thanks!

[@jv-ep2tc]

I agree with your take on the graphic NIcole photo. It took me by surprise as well. While shocked at first, so I tried to take a methodical thought pattern to replace the trauma of it. I learned a bit about anatomy. 'this is the human body, this is what happens when injured. this is how it may appear". I think we are shocked because we are so ignorant of these things. I imagine medical students have to learn how to cope as well...or how could they do their job?

[@KalyElizabeth]

Just a note. At about 55min in he talks about the Korean convenient store clerk who shot the African American girl in the back of the head. She wasn't acquitted, but I believe she didn't see any jail time. She got about 400 hours of community service. It was extremely horrible either way, but she was found guilty.

[@fabricatedreality8218]

That documentary "O.J. made in America" was the best documentary you'll ever see about O.J.

[@editnosmirc4489]

Agreed.

[@serendipity9987]

@Lori Massacci So are you actually trying to say Al Cowlings did it? If you are, I call bullony. lol

[@bigdaddycool4242]

Lori Massacci Yet, it wasn’t Al Cowlings Bronco they found the victims blood, and OJs in was it? 🤔

[@bigdaddycool4242]

Lori Massacci Also keep in mind Jill Shiveley provided a license plate number, and vehicle description as well. Tag came back to Hertz/OJ. Where are the photos of AC wearing Bruno Maglis? I’ve seen plenty pics with OJ wearing “those ugly ass shoes”.

[@thejokeisinyourpants]

@Lori Massacci You seem to have difficulty dealing with facts. Killer(s) had a different blood type than O.J. Simpson, dirty personnel in the LAPD, timeline of events don't add up putting him there.

[@johndeagle4389]

Facts about the final jury: (1) None regularly read a newspaper, but eight regularly watch tabloid TV shows, (2) five thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member, (3) all were Democrats, (4) five reported that they or another family member had had a negative experience with the police, (5) nine thought that Simpson was less likely to be a murderer because he was a professional athlete.

[@carolcomins524]

He did not have any morals or boundaries. He was not a "good" person.

[@amandasutton3717]

"You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar, when I met you..." Edit: As for the black community, I think by the trial in 1994, the brutalization of Rodney King by the LAPD was still very fresh in everyone's minds. Decades of police brutality against black folks (which still happens) who either didn't do anything, or at least didn't merit the level of brutality in police response, heavily influenced the minds of the possibility of OJ being mistreated, or even framed. Just a cultural perspective. Although it's very likely he did commit this murder, I can understand that many folks had reason to be skeptical. As you said, the evidence was damning, and I personally think he did it, but I can see where those jurors were likely coming from. (The FBI had also been keeping a close eye on black communities for decades as well, blaming civil rights groups and exaggerating the activities of the Black Panthers who were just trying to protect their communities, etc)

[@rutgerhauerfan]

I mean I hope the jury at least genuinely thought he was innocent when they acquitted him , and that they did not just use this double murder (totally unrelated to police brutality) to further their agenda. Cause if most of them thought O.J was guilty deep down, and yet they acquitted him for the "greater good" of their community, that's probably massively illegal (and fucked up too)...

[@elizabethpease947]

rutgerhauerfan : They didn’t care if he was innocent. The one lady juror was heard to say it was ‘payback’ for what happened to Rodney King, and she admitted it after the trial was over.

[@oonaholt7229]

i think i was about eight years old oj came to my school to talk about drugs i remember everyone parents were at the back of the school with cameras people asking for autographs after sighning he asked me do you want a autograph i had no idia who he was he insisted on giveing me a autograph it was really odd masive ego ive still never seen anything like it and i have been around other famous before it was a vary strange vibe

[@tylerkeller8869]

Also, the Korean grocer who shot and killed Latasha Harlen was not acquitted. She was found guilty, but only sentenced to 4 years of probation & 400 hours of community service. The black attendees of the trial started a mini-riot an attempted to break into the judges chambers.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Oh right. I forgot. Thanks!

[@sharonblackburn6151]

This was great. I enjoyed listening, your explanations are clear, and your unbiased point if view is refreshing.

[@PTZOUTZ]

One thing that may have contributed to the events of June 12 maybe Paula Barbieri’s decision to leave him.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Yeah, interesting. I hadn't considered that.

[@lisakaye3919]

AKTINODIAGNOSI BACKUP maybe but im still not convinced it happened the way the prosecution said it did.

[@lisakaye3919]

I still think jason did it. That guy was crazy and now he lives in obscurity

[@cynthialyman2636]

I never added that clue in but it makes perfect sense: just another little piece of personal rejection chipping away at that precarious ego.

[@2DclanSnipingTeam]

Amazing how people overlook this. She broke up with him that morning and refused his calls all day.

[@아이런-g3n]

damn as someone born&raised outside the US i just thought this case was about a rich, famous guy buying an expensive lawyer but never had viewed it as so tied to the issue of race

[@micheleflory2720]

And what thy did was wrong - using the oj case to get back at or take revenge is not what your duty is as a juror ! That doesn’t give you a pass to find a person who is by all evidence - dna not guilty - that is not justice for them . Actually it is wrong .

[@yellowunlimited]

Thank you for this video, brilliant detail and your voice is very nice to listen to

[@deeannwatson4453]

About the glove, it has always bothered me, if you get leather wet it shrinks as it dries. It can also become stiff, so the fact he couldn't slip it over a rubber glove isn't shocking to me.

[@realradiant1r69]

Plus his attorneys told him to stop taking his arthritis medication so his fingers would swell and the gloves wouldn’t fit

[@karendeihimi4301]

Agree and everyone knew that. But Johnny got a point on that one.

[@williamchung5407]

thanks for the great content. listened to all 3 hours of this!

[@mcnasty4207]

Also, random question. Say Nicole Brown Simpson was one of your clients, and she kept saying "he is going to kill me." Would you be subpoenaed? Can you break your client privilege and testify??

[@janehuelsmann8859]

Lots of smart people commit stupid crimes because of their arrogance that they are invincible.

[@Adam19842]

What about the issue of CTE? I know you're not a medical doctor or a psychiatrist. But there is a big possibility that OJ has CTE from his years of playing football. The Dr who discovered CTE who became the subject of the Will Smith film "Concussion" said' "I bet my medical license that OJ Simpson has CTE". Unfortunately, CTE can only be diagnosed post-mortum.

[@NumeMoon]

I agree. It's unfortunate, but I think it's important for community safety that people with head trauma be supervised in at least a group home type of environment because head trauma is so well known for causing a lack of emotional control. I can say from experience, the nicest guy with brain trauma can experience the most minor transgression and suddenly _SNAP!_ When it passes, they often don't have much recall of it because another common side effect of brain injury is short term memory loss.

[@Saffron-sugar]

Nume Moon , What you say sounds nice. But, as pointed out CTE can only be diagnosed post-mortem (after death). As for putting everyone with a possible TBI (traumatic brain injury) or any history of head trauma in a home, that is impossible and a violation of human rights. Nearly everyone who has participated in any semi-aggressive sport has had some hit to the head or other. Most children have! Aside from those suffering obvious disability due to TBI, everyone who has had a concussion cannot be put into care, I'm sure you see that.

[@Julie-7605]

Dr Bennet Omalu believes that OJ was suffering from the after effects of concussions. Dr Omalu was the first to discover and publish findings of chronic traumatic encephalopathy. They made the movie "Concussion" about it (staring Will Smith).

[@Allegra7545]

I didn’t know I had an attachment wound. So much of what I have done makes sense now. Thank you.

[@alinakoivula]

I don't know whether you'll see this comment, but I'd be very interested to hear your take on the psychology of Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sure a lot of us listeners would also be interested in the psychology of Donald Trump, but I don't know if that's too risky for you. :D Also a completely different kind of public figure, whose personality, behaviour and past (and the links between these) I personally find interesting is Marshall Mathers aka Eminem. Also I really want to thank you for all the work you do and your very sincere and sensitive take on things, you've made me understand myself and people close to me so much better. ❤

[@BlueBelle-711]

Dr. Kirk Honda, this is an awesome audio post! Everything you broke down, makes perfect sense. I struggle with a personality disorder. I wish you were my Dr. 😁 Thank you so much for posting! God Bless.

[@LittleJazzyBirdie]

Excellent assessment! I especially appreciated the attention you gave to the social tenor of the time of OJ’s trial. I would be curious to know what your thoughts are on his role as a father, given his attachment injuries and narcissistic traits. Thanks for this!

[@jv-ep2tc]

Juditha Brown dropped her glasses on the sidewalk and Ron returned them to her [or was there to do that]. I have often wondered if Juditha gave any thought to the fact that if she hadn't dropped the glasses, Ron would still be alive. How do you live with that? and to what extent is the Brown family guilty of enabling OJ and of Nicole feeling trapped? I think OJ got NIcole's father a Hertz dealership and could he have felt so indebted that he looked the other way when his daughter was in danger?

[@loki2stunt]

Goldman was Nicole's drug connect and OJ knew it. He was toast....

[@christiandebasio5673]

I am not sure his level of intelligence had anything to do with this. I don't think it was thought out @ all. I am thinking he was acting on a fit of pent up rage. Ron Goldman was not expected and walked in as wrong place wrong time.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Agreed. Good hypothesis.

[@johndeagle4389]

The police did not interrogate OJ. The police interviewed him. Interrogation is accusatory.

[@cadewarrencns]

Well, I get the apprehension about seeing the crime scene photos in all their grisly gorey glory, but to want the filmmakers to give you a warning completely undermines the entire effect they're going for in the scenes in question. Especially when they're used as a way to draw you into an interviewee's experience (Ron Shipp is a good example). I mean, if you're watching an 8 hour documentary on a profoundly disturbing murder case, I...would think you should be ready to see the crime scene photos. They do warn you at the beginning of each Part as well. Otherwise, dig the show, I've been obsessed with the OJ trial given the resurgence of interest, especially the sociopathy of Simpson. Studying him actually helped me recognize some of those traits in others, which proved very helpful in personal relationships :), as might be expected.

[@brendasmith7345]

Yeah, the first time he met her and proclaimed he was going to marry her not only was he already married which absolutely should have been enough for BOTH of them not to partake but he and his wife had 2 children with another baby girl on the way. I personally can’t help think that his oldest son was involved. Just my opinion.

[@jschnitz8302]

I don't think it's about lack of intelligence. If you're suicidal and homicidal, you don't really worry about leaving a bunch of evidence.

[@2legit2Kwit]

You can argue this case all you want... drug connections, the mob, CTE, race.... but one true fact remains. His blood was intermixed with Ron's and Nicole's blood on the left handed glove that was left at the crime scene. The left handed glove was pulled off at crime scene. OJ's left hand was also lacerated on his middle left finger. It's indisputable that he did it. The defense team made 50k a day. They did their job well to invite the perception of police corruption. The jury spent four hours after 8 months of testimony then came back with a not guilty. They were so done.

[@lamontstevens8235]

Cool like That organized by Oj but executed by someone else and he Intervenes when Ron Goldman unknowingly shows up! Which nailed him at the scene

[@jilliandavies611]

is that why oj admits he took it off and left it there in an interview and admits he did it this man is just not clever enough to outsmart people

[@avahutchinson2587]

Cool like That UM that's why he won and was acquitted bc the DNA was so heavily mismanaged even the Bronco wasn't impounded for 24hrs by the detective who ceased it...if you want ppl to know w/o a doubt he's guilty don't try the DNA when the chain of command and protocols are ignored it's safe to say anyone's DNA could be mixed with the victims also they found evidence of his DNA until after they sampled his DNA try again sorry

[@bigtone7824]

you are a moron

[@jftman53]

Pretty sure a cut on outside of his knuckle would not be done while holding a glass if it broke in his explaination. A cut can't be where it was on his topside of the hand.

[@cynthialyman2636]

I agree with you on OJ's star power back in the day. I was born in 1960 and recall vividly the Hertz commercials; he also had a supporting role in the 1974 disaster blockbuster "The Towering Inferno" long before the Naked Gun franchise. Coming of age during the 70s, I would definitely agree he had a wholesome and appealing image. I still remember what a shock it was to see him topple in the 90s. The trial was a media circus I'll likewise never forget.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Yeah, thanks for sharing. Agreed.

[@GroovyFeminist]

You should do an episode on the psychology of yes men (e.g. Michael Cohen) and what motivates their behavior.

[@highlighted_reply]

CTE would explain OJ's (but certainly not excuse) the violent blind rage on the night of the murders as well as his suicidal episode.

[@mireilleblacke6567]

As another person born in 1970, I appreciate your perspective.

[@tmac7264]

CTE-The syndrome connected to NFL players could be considered as part of the reason why things progressed the way they did. The doctor that identified this believes OJ is quite possibly suffering from this.

[@NumeMoon]

I used to work with people who were "recovering" from traumatic brain injuries (TBI). This is a fairly new-ish condition since we haven't always had the medical technology to save someone with TBI, they usually just died in the past. It's been found that TBI can often cause latent psych issues to come forward and present as full-blown psychiatric disorders. OJ has suffered brain trauma during his football years. That's not to say he's free from responsibility, but TBI causes a lot of social problems because one of the most common side effects is loss of inhibitions. Even a minor annoyance can result in a sudden, devastating attack. Sometimes the patient won't even recall what happened.

[@samuela9237]

@@NumeMoon he even says in his confession interview that he doesnt remember it maybe thats true

[@katina9632]

I understand what you’re saying about the societal moment and broader implications of a person of color being guilty or innocent, however it really bugs me when obviously guilty people walk free because of “the world” and considerations that have nothing to do with the individual. There shouldn’t be a bias when someone is white or black or anything else. Everyone should be judged for their own personal conduct, period.

[@GigglyGirlPearl]

Very insightful. I learned a few things. Thank you.

[@Scotts865]

Thanks for the video. Hindsight being 20 20, do you now think he is a sociopath? He showed in his parole hearing, chronic lying, and no remorse, or responsibility for anything.

[@Schroller96]

I bet for -20 iq points

[@endim002]

There is a wonderful book on this case called Raging Heart by Sheila Weller. It shows a real inside view of their life and the influence of how others reacted to OJ's violent behavior towards her all along.

[@URestURust]

Luv the in depth analyses. Thanks.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

You're welcome!

[@Dilandue98]

You always open my mind a little more, thank you so much, really enjoyable podcast!

[@amymamabear5227]

I was convinced when they found Ronald’s and Nicole’s blood was on his socks in his bathroom. Well, along with everything else! And the limo driver was incredibly believable to me, even goofy Kato seemed honest to me

[@ShearerToon]

Very interesting stuff! Really enjoyed listening to this. I agree with you that there is no doubt that OJ was guilty. The way you have analysed and identified all the possible contributing factors and underlying possible mental health conditions was really interesting. Talking about OJ's intelligence, I'd say there is no doubt that OJ didn't function at the highest level of intellect. Although I agree with you that this could well have been a contributing factor to his behaviours, I don't think this had an impact on the murder of Nicole and Ron. I believe that Ron caught him by surprise when he was confronting Nicole. Perhaps he was trying to intimidate her or maybe even murder her. However, Ron turning up unexpectedly may have put him into a rage which resulted in a much messier affair. What may have been either a plan to intimidate her or at least murder her discretely may have turned into a confrontation fuelled by jealous rage caused by seeing Ron.This probably led to him being in a frantic state, hence dropping the glove, leaving blood behind, etc.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Yes, very possible. Thanks!

[@ilovejesusforever8369]

He went there to murder her why else would he have a very sharp knife ! Ron was in wrong place wrong time ! He could not let him live ! Look at the difference in the wounds , her head almost cut off ! He owned that bitch ! Pardon my language! Im a victim of domestic violence and im only alive because God intervined ! In his mind she deserved it ! I own you , you live in my house you drive my stuff you wear my stuff , yes he killed her !

[@msmyaz3852]

There's a monumental amount of doubt. It's almost impossible for him to have carried out this vicious crime. But.. I too was 100% sure he was guilty. Domestic violence, all the 911 calls..I was sure he managed to get off because his lawyers were super lawyers. I watched the American Crime Story and became even more convinced of his guilt. I think if someone turned around and said OJ is innocent, most people will think that person is an idiot. Even the jurors now back tracked when they realised it is the wrong political move to say he is innocent. While three of the lawyers (Shapiro, F Lee and Cochrane) used a tremendously clever tactic by playing the race card, they mudied the waters. OJ was framed for two reasons. 1. It's usually the husband or the ex husband. 2. It was a high profile case and everyone involved would become rich and sell books. It had NOTHING to do with RACE. Police and the DA spend millions on high profile cases and close other unsolved crime too readily. Where will YOU find the truth? I watched the WHOLE trial. Including the bits the jury didn't get to see. This WAS not a search for the truth. Marcia Clark used so many dirty tactics but none of them made headlines. As I watched and watched and watched, sorrow filled my heart. The injustice of the justice system. The lies that were exposed. How could I have been so wrong? Surely O.J. did it. I had been so certain. But now I only feel anguish. If anyone is treated unjustly, my heart breaks a little more. My faith in the general goodness of humanity is tested even more. Nicole and that young man were butchered but no one looked for the real killer/s. Instead insult was added to injury by framing an innocent man. Please look for the truth first hand. It's available for ALL to see. The entire trial was filmed. But if you don't or won't bother watching, then reserve judgment. Having said all that, if someone turns around and tells me they think O.J. is innocent, I would look at them and be wondering if they say that out of stupidity or they searched for the truth.

[@cynthialyman2636]

I too am a domestic violence survivor and I totally agree. Possessive, obsessed abusers believe a woman is a marionette on strings, nothing else. If you step out of line or do anything to displease them, you WILL be punished. The only reason I am free is because my abuser actually died (and no: not at my hands). Getting away isn't always as easy as others would have you think. In order to understand how complex and precarious the situation can be, you either have to live it or fully educate yourself. OJ was a classic narcissist, and due to the self-esteem issues that accompany that disorder, he was a disaster waiting to happen when it came to the opposite sex. He flagrantly cheated on his first wife (with Nicole among others) and when Nicole finally made a move towards independence, she received the ultimate punishment: violent death. Happens ALL the time.

[@myhumbleopinion3067]

I'm Black and I did and still do think he did it. Not all Black people thought he was innocent. They were just tired of White people being biased against Black people. Even if he wasn't innocent, with a white female, they would have thought he was guilty. That happens all the time.

[@nonmihiseddeo4181]

The casting in the FX series People v. OJ Simpson was fairly accurate. I only disagreed with Cuba Gooding Jr as OJ and John Revoltya as Robert Shapiro.

[@bobmoxie5570]

It happened in the mid 1990s, So sad for Nicole.

[@thecomrade302]

The collectivist thinking is just unfortunate and insufferable. We need to move on from that, and the only way is insisting even in our small everyday actions and speech that we are all individuals, only.

[@covergirl7086]

Very interesting podcast.. enjoyed it very much

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks!

[@craigpombi9781]

You know I never really thought about if OJ was watching the miniseries. Interesting...

[@louisehill85]

What do you think played a part in him killing them and leaving the poor children in the property (alone) who could have potentially found their mother and Ron butchered to death?

[@justbelove]

It sounds like when he was in a fury of rage, he wasn't "OJ." There was a point in the documentary, I think it was 1985, when a cop was called to the Simpson house, Nicole was found in a car with a broken car window and OJ holding a bat. The cop said it took a few times of, "put down the bat," before OJ snapped back into his normal persona. Idea: Finding Nicole in 1994 with Ronald, put him into that same state, but this time it turned deadly, and the severity of the violence was equal to his lapse in judgement. Perhaps he snapped out of it by the time he arrived home for the limo pick-up.

[@prant8998]

Great video, love the celebrity analysis. I think OJ was smarter then what you make him to be. In interviews he’s very articulate and observational with a fairly strong vocabulary. His emotional intellegence was clearly lacking. After the first few times he lost his ability to calm himself and abused Nichole. A smart person would recognize they have a flaw and do some things to remedy it, or they were going to lose their job of being a celebrity spokesman. Which was happening before the murder. This was the crazy part of OJ. The other thing was control. Here, as a celebrity, he had almost omnipotent powers, and though he was divorced he still wanted to contol his now ex-wife. A more pragmatic view would be to admit he still loved her, it wasn’t working out, and he should let it go. Having said all that, and at the risk of blaming the victim, clearly Nichole was pushing his buttons, for her own reasons. The guy had beaten her up on multiple occasions, she knew him like no one on the planet, as a jealous maniac, prone to violence, and hurting her. Then she publicly rejects him ,(humiliation), wanting to join them for dinner? In retrospect, she should have at least put some cushion on disinviting him. The whole resturant thing, with Goldman working there, then going to her house, but first going to his home first to clean up. (OJ had been stalking Goldman before.) And, they picked that resturant for a reason, and OJ knew why. Somewere else they said it was choosen because it was less expensive, but wouldn’t have OJ picked up the tab anyway? It was the culmination of multiple factors, jealiously, rage, humiliation, inablity to control, and he couldn’t connect with his girlfriend. He went home and put on his black snooping outfit and just for fun grabed a knife.

[@ianbenson1254]

I love your voice

[@louisehill85]

love this

[@dmtcb]

excellent documentary..in fact one of the best ever.

[@dahnjudah777]

O.j.'s above average vocabulary makes me not buy the intelligence theory.

[@KalyElizabeth]

I totally agree that in the "Made In America" documentary series they should of put a warning before showing any of the graphic images of the crime scene. There were two photos in particular that I don't think the images of will ever get out of my head. Whomever killed them, a.k.a. OJ Simpson, is a monster. Or at the very least, he had a monster inside him that came out in full force that night.

[@luisparga5707]

Kaly Elizabeth

[@phunkyphurniture6838]

You, Sir, are brilliant!

[@brentonsiddons2406]

it was no surprise that the trial was manipulated by the defence team and Simpson walked...every man jack knew he was the perp...

[@johndeagle4389]

Intelligence played a role in the not guilty verdict. That was a verdict by unintelligent people.

[@cindynj]

he didnt pay crap to Goldmans

[@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209]

they got the proceeds from the sale of the house and content. No were near $ 30m from the civil settlement.

[@nathanb605]

can you guys do a video on psychopaths. I think thats what OJ is , and i feel like im dating one currently

[@beauburrell3318]

nathanb605 run for your life, seriously, get the hell out of that misery. They're completely obsessed with self, but they can manipulate people into believing they care. It is a twisted & bizarre psychoanalysis.

[@gilwood7530]

GET OUT ! Female or Males out there...If its starting to feel "Scary or Not right" Please get out ! Don't let your guard down ! PLEASE ! It can happen between any 2 people...Lovers, boss and worker, Landlord and renter....There are people that think of others as property. It doesn't have to be a sexual thing....Its everywhere out there ! PLEASE GET AWAY !

[@cynthialyman2636]

The short answer is psychopathy involves an element of deliberate cruelty and torture whereas a sociopath lacks empathy and compassion (although they can manifest these and other emotions convincingly which makes them even more potentially dangerous). And narcissists are all about themselves, period. The three can blend and there are extremes in all three disorders, obviously.

[@cynthialyman2636]

You're telling someone is FINE if they're just with a PSYCHOPATH? Where have you had your professional training in psychology?

[@ShunyamNiketana]

All serial killers are psychopaths, but not all psychopaths are serial killers, who compose a rare category of people and behavior. If you sense that your partner or close friend is a psychopath, then "get out." Not all psychopaths are violent, but all share the problem of lacking the capacity for empathy. They can be very bright, and that enables them to maneuver socially. They also can't be rehabilitated, not if the psychopathology stems from an organic dysfunction.

[@bettygoodbody]

I noticed he was not intelligent but it seemed to me until you mentioned it that I was just being egotistical and thinking to highly of myself I was born in 1953 I remember him on Lucy Ball and the comedy variety shows he was admired like he was super man

[@hrwatchinpuff6551]

Look, people have written books about case, but the most compelling book I’ve ever read, was written by Private investigator William C. Dear, called O.J. Is Guilty, but not of Murder. It places O.J. at the crime scene, but not the actual killer. The writer names O.J.’s son Jason as the killer. It’s a well written account of what he thinks happened that night, and it’s backed up by some pretty damning evidence. O.J. was and still is protecting his son.

[@loopsruby]

hrwatchinpuff Great interview with O.J & Chris Myers here on you tube....

[@milky55way2012]

The detectives interviewed Jason and said there was no evidence against him......Jason and Nicole had a good relationship.

[@mitchcumstein142]

I agree. I've always found Dear's theory incredibly far-fetched. OJ had far more motive than Jason, plus an incredibly violent history with Nicole where Jason had a positive relationship with her. Dear speculated that Jason murdered Nicole because she had canceled a dinner reservation at his restaurant and he had a "rage disorder". My money is on the guy who repeatedly beat the victim and told her he would kill her.

[@milky55way2012]

Yea, Dear's speculation is not based on what Jason himself has said about Nicole, that they had a very good relationship, however he (Jason) supposedly pulled a knife on his boss at the restaurant over an argument.

[@cynthialyman2636]

That would be money well spent.

[@johndeagle4389]

The Jury By Race: 9 Blacks, 1 Hispanics, 2 Whites The Jury By Sex: 10 Women, 2 Men The Jury By Education: 2 College Graduates, 9 High School Graduates, 1 Without Diploma

[@carolcomins524]

Traumatic brain injury could be a factor. FOOTBALL!

[@anqeiicdemise]

I didn't really start paying attention to OJ until Selena was murdered and then I started to notice how money, fame and the color of your skin mattered in this world. I was still too young to have the more severe experiences until I was a bit older.

[@jayay3469]

Can you do an episode about mark furhman, philip vannatter, dennis fung, brett cantor, and Glen Edward Rogers?

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

We'll try!

[@raboesperto]

i swear i'd fart live on tv, why not ...

[@raboesperto]

Jay Ay disregard what Tony says, he is a TROLL and i think he is actually carl douglas ...

[@raboesperto]

Tony Starks how do YOU know wether or not OJ beat Nicole ?

[@raboesperto]

Tony Starks ur a wife beater urself, arent u, tony ?

[@mizeryluvkompany]

i find it almost amazing that mark fuhrman is a darling on fox news. givin his sordid past. looks bad on there part. and credibility.

[@raboesperto]

the bronco chase wasn't actually a chase ... it was an escort because LAPD didn't want to get too close and eventually have to gun down OJ and his ACESSORY Ac Cawlins on live TV ...

[@2legit2Kwit]

moodmuzik true but he was also bolstering his role as a crooked cop for a screen play. Yes it was awful and racist but I think he was grand standing a bit.

[@davidtawater95]

moodmuzik He was on Oprah as well. Does that make her look bad? By your logic it should. It just goes to show you that he obviously isn’t as bad as the dream team made him seem. He assimilated back into society where as OJ really has not. The only people who flock around OJ are people who are just happy to be around anyone. More like the low lifes of society with no moral values. Furhman isn’t ostracized where OJ is. Furhman is 10 times the man oj is. People who get better news and are around Furhman know who he really is. The dream team took one of the only things they could and magnified it. Trumped it up. Lied. Furhman did a good job. He helped other black men escape being wrongfully convicted. And that is documented. But you OJ lovers can’t hear that. You’re unable to absorb it. But the majority of the world understand and that’s why Furhman can walk around amidst all the races and be fine. Furhman went out and worked hard at rehabilitating his image. OJ went and did “Juiced” and “If I did it” and robbed people at gunpoint. But you OJ lovers don’t comment about that. It’s a very trashy, classless way to be. Especially when your primary focus is to catch the real killers and bring them to justice. I heard he almost caught the real killer after he left the set of Juiced and was headed to the golf course. If he would have only looked in the rear view mirror his search would be over.

[@mcnasty4207]

I wish you had gone more in depth about his book (If) I DID IT.

[@pipopipo6477]

Many extraordinary athletes are bow legged. It's a sign of high testosterone during adolescence (fast muscle growth). Also his large hands and strong skull features are signs of high testosterone while still growing.

[@jamiehoover3498]

thanks, Dr.Honda...great podcast!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks, Jamie!

[@jamiehoover3498]

Psychology In Seattle ur more than welcome. look in forward to catch in up on all ur podcasts! ur insight is remarkable to me.....

[@Lazerface84]

Kirk, I love you but you sure do come as close as you possibly can to equating understanding the jury's motivations with condoning their motivations. It's frustrating to listen to. Emotional reasoning is not a virtue.

[@peterhenderson2911]

Not just the community the history and turn about is fair exchange

[@NicoleKe]

“Maybe he’s a genius. I don’t know.” 😂😂😂 Merry Christmas

[@mariannegary6710]

I thought the way it was explained by Nicole’s friend - (oj and Nicole first date) was that she came home w her jeans torn, the friend says- yikes don’t see him again, but she said ‘ no. . I liked it’. Meaning his rough way sexually was a turn on for her. I would put forth that they had a strange chemistry sexually - addicted to each other- and I would like to see that angle added to the discussion- they were obsessed with each other/ physically, mentally, but they also couldn’t stand each other. It was such a dysfunctional relationship. I think it’s called obsessive love - and they had loose boundaries - like they would still hook up after the divorce - bc they couldn’t quit the physical stuff.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Interesting. Yes, definitely possible.

[@jacquelinehuggins6021]

Excellent!

[@cmocka55]

Can anybody write down the title of this documentary please

[@justbelove]

OJ: Made in America

[@shanetreacy5996]

I dont know you but right on man

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks, Shane!

[@shanetreacy5996]

you're welcome

[@luish777]

One thing people don't talk about who hit the wall behind Katos apt where they found the glove?OJ drove home in bronco parked in the font of the house OJ was NOT alone.