The PUMA Gets a NEW UPGRADE in War Thunder

Well, anti everything... definitely the best of the Autocannon tanks (not incl the 2s38)
PUMA IFV
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[@TurnyPlays]

Yeah to be honest I don't think it's great, or implemented all that well, but we certainly gave it a good try! And i'm glad I covered it :)

[@MrSqueasil]

*closes WT* Turny points something out in a new video *starts WT up again*

[@sirbonobo3907]

Hahaha real addiction

[@TurnyPlays]

Really xD?

[@incorrectbeans]

relatable

[@Vergil20000]

AHEAD round is a hundred piece of pellets that actually acts like a flak but concentrated. It will literally tear your plane to pieces, not an instant kill but will put thousands of holes on it.

[@yuanfurbax]

like from the MANTIS AA?

[@kimjanek646]

More like a hundred or less with 30mm AHEAD. Still these tungsten pellets would totally mess up a planes systems, engine or just straight up kill the pilot.

[@AlphaHorst]

​@@kimjanek646the 35mm AHEAd uses betwen 152 and 840 sub projectiles, depending on which shell is used, we donˋt know what the standart is for the mantis or if there is any. The 30mm Skyranger apparently used a 30mm AHEAD with 160 tungsten pallets inside. The PUMA uses 162 pallets in its version of AHEAD better knows as KETF munition. It can fire the entire 90-120 round belt it carries in around 30s if it wants to or in around 2 minutes when using percision fire. This is also what WT gets wrong, the Puma can fire indefinetly (until its ammo is spend, if you gave it unlimited ammo it would probably hit a limit at some point). The gun cools down faster than it can shoot (as it was reduced to 200 rpm down from up to 1000 rpm (usual limit is 800 rpm when used on ships and such) to increase its accuracy)

[@kimjanek646]

@@AlphaHorst yeah but not all pellets are going to hit the plane :)

[@AlphaHorst]

@@kimjanek646 yea, but more than from traditional HE VT. So it should be more effective than that when it hits as close as HEVT does. ofcourse AHEAD can miss by more and still deal damage due to the timed fuse aspect, but right now even if you hit a target directly from the front it deals next to no damage and helis are almost immune to it, and it just so happens to be an anti heli weapon on most vehicles that use it

[@Sh4quille0atmeal]

i think your pronounciation of PUMA is very fitting. it do indeed go pew..ma

[@niklasw.1297]

chomp chomp chomp

[@PvtPartzz]

The reason it sucks is because the shrapnel flies out in an expanding sphere without taking the inertia of the shells forward trajectory into account. The result is far less shrapnel flying forward into the target than should be. This is similar to the issues with ‘realshatter’ HE shells not doing anything against aircraft because the shrapnel always flew off in other directions instead of forward and into the aircraft’s components/frame.

[@kimjanek646]

Not true. The fragments get diapered in a cone forwards, just how it should be. The issue with the ammo is that they are only programmed for the range the target is at instead of the range that a moving target is going to be. Thus making it useless against fast moving targets unless they fly perpendicular to you.

[@AlphaHorst]

​@@kimjanek646that is wrong. In the last major update the calculated range is the expected range, e.g. the targeting point. So they explode on time. the original comment is true. The explosion acts as if the shell had zero inertia like APHE does, causing shrapnel to fly back towards the puma and far off to the sides. you can actually damage two helis hovering around 20m appart by shooting between them. Which would be impossible if the shell would behave as you describe

[@TangiersIntrigue]

@@AlphaHorst Essentially, they screwed up the implementation due to their shitty codebase.

[@l.h.9747]

​@@AlphaHorst a big problem is also that even if it takes shell travel time into the calculation it still doesnt explode at the right tike because it didnt take any further acceleration of the plane into account from when the shell leaves the barrel up to exploding.

[@AlphaHorst]

@l.h.9747 that really does not matter. If it did HEVT would also suffer from the exact same issue. The plane has around 1s to change its speed by well over 200km/h to get the effect you mentioned.

[@PervonHarke]

The Puma IFV should finally get its SPIKE LR missiles.

[@GothicHellhound]

Honestly agree as we already have the lynx which uses the puma gun with spikes too anyways lol

[@fulturk4306]

​@@GothicHellhound And vilkas which also has spikes and an autocannon

[@Warbeaver]

He said, Puuuuuuuma

[@Zibouloubloub]

"ah my dopamine" is one of the truest and most relatable Turny catch phrases xD The addiction level is real

[@Konegdererste]

In my experience the normal apfsds is more effectiv against aircrafts than the PMC308 :/

[@AlphaHorst]

it is because the AHEAD still behaves like APHE does, having zero innertia and randomised shrapnel patterns. So one breaks the physics of the world and the other is simply transforming it into an HEVT shell without the explosive part. The shrapnle shoudl form a perfect circle in a 2D plane and a forward cone in a 3D world. right now neither is true. They should just make it into a low HE filler HE VT round and be done with it, as it was when first launched. but that was apparently OP. For 8.3 yes, but now at 10.0 the PUMA has absolutely nothing going for it. Hence why noone plays it.

[@youngchaosfernandes]

Turn man if you attach a tow cable to dead vehicles you push them quicker, word to the wise

[@TurnyPlays]

I did :)

[@nicksalehi97]

So basically it has turned into nothing but a SPAA. Sad to see how far its fallen.

[@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274]

true

[@adhx7506]

If it was the 2S38 that got AHEAD added, it would 120% be better than proxy fuses, but no.

[@badtoothbeetroot]

5:45 very effective against small drones too; also, in the 35mm version of this (in PGZ09) it has decent enough pen to go through leo 2 sides

[@rarespetrusamartean5433]

lmao the zoom in on the leaderboard in the first game killed me

[@NheNiceGuy]

BMP-2M's Nemmisis is the Begleitpanzer 57 2S38's Nemmisis is the PUMA

[@kiliandrilltzsch8272]

if they made the Begleitpanzer 57 historically accurate wit would be the 2S38's nemisi too. in reallife it was really op for its time

[@blaken3824]

the Sweden CV 9040s can clap the 2S38's pretty good too

[@PraetorianMan]

The AHEAD on the PGZ09 is absolutely obscene lol. I’d be shocked if it stays at 8.3 for very long

[@Nyuven]

in contrary to puma PM it actually works. Fusing is correct, damage is like, 4x times better. We tested that using only one cannon (second was blacked by my friend) and amount of shells to shoot down SU25K we used as target was 11 to 56 that puma needed to critically damage it. So yeah, PGZ got nice shells.

[@IM_8685]

China got it good also the PLZ83 got a new HE round is it a buff or not...?

[@NitsuJTrigger]

The kf41 gains the most out of the new shell cause it played against heli spammers the most

[@TurnyPlays]

God dont make me play that one pls 😫

[@niklasw.1297]

the AHEAD knows where it is because it knows where it isn't. To bad it only knows where the enemy *was* and not where it will be.

[@blaken3824]

Similar ammo should be on the new Sweden CV9035DK. It literally has the programmable ammo barrel on it but Gaijin gave it standard HEI-T bs

[@BoarhideGaming]

Man, what did they do to the Puma? Haven't really played in a year, but it was so fun when it was added. It never did much damage, but it was so survivable and just...solid, I don't know

[@kauangarcia9236]

I've been plaiyng with it lately and im not having fun man, it Just a backup velhice nowadays

[@BoarhideGaming]

@@kauangarcia9236 Yeah, I had a go the second after writing the comment. Not great. The dart doesn’t do jack, even worse than it used to from what it feels, but getting frontally one shot constantly isn’t a great change either

[@IvanBaturaChannel]

It was OP AF (BR 8.3) when added, now 10.0 is about right (if you don't compare it to 2S38 at least)

[@whydoyouneedtolive7498]

@@IvanBaturaChannelit has problems penning russian MBTs from the side and back…..

[@adhx7506]

@@IvanBaturaChannel Its literally not right at 10.0 - even the BMP2M is absolutely clear of it. The 2S38 is out of its dimension. Should give the Begleitpanzer its APFSDS and right ATGM and put it at 10.3 instead of the Puma. Puma should be 9.3 max.

[@allenliu8820]

they fix ahead rounds, but still refuse to give it spikes even though spikes are not that good it at least gives this tank more lethality

[@chrehm337]

Why give it spikes now for free If you can simply make a second variant with spikes to add in a future update? Gaijin's gotta keep content pipeline running., because money.

[@allenliu8820]

@@chrehm337 true

[@Godspeed_95_51]

I was just waiting for a vid! Keep up the good work turny!

[@TurnyPlays]

Ayy!

[@willisdaname6179]

POV Gaijin: “oh so you want another ammo type on the PUMA?” The community: “No why would we? We need spikes on the PUMA it is underpowered” Gaijin: “Nuh uh”

[@ItsWTYT]

And it still dose not have its spikes.

[@daskollektiv4593]

those would make it worse

[@jPlanerv2]

bruh spikes would put this thing on 10.7

[@volkenvolk3135]

Yeah and I would actually bring it out with my Vilkas

[@ItsWTYT]

@@volkenvolk3135 I love the vilk but I love the puma more manly for the 0 turn availability+ ezy kill on t tanks now that autolouder is model in game now

[@fulturk4306]

Puma needs its spike missiles, the only advantage it will have over the other vehicles that have the spikes and an autocannon will be its supperior armor.

[@RedVRCC]

So AHEAD finally works like its supposed to.

[@sidecharacterC]

Sorta. Lethality seems a little lacking.

[@TurnyPlays]

well. not really. but it kinda works lmao. IRL its far better than proxy, and just one accurate shell is devastating

[@STGN01]

@@TurnyPlays how it is better than proxy? This video shows the issue is the same if the target manuvers well enough you are going to miss. AHEAD is just cheapish flak ammo. But AHEAD reminds you of all your misses by exploding in the air relatively close to the target.

[@STGN01]

@@sidecharacterC Using the lead indicator in WT will have you miss a maneuvering target; it always assumes the plane is going to move directly forward from its current vector regardless of, if the plane is in a turn. You have to make an educated guess where the plane is going to be relative to the lead indicator to make hits otherwise your shots will lag behind the planes location.

[@rockyboi9360]

It can erase most light tanks, it can fight MBT's to some limited level... Now it can snipe heli's and jets...

[@volkenvolk3135]

As a puma main, no it still sucks lmao

[@kiliandrilltzsch8272]

man i wish they gave germany the wheeled MANTIS cannon which is basically a really fast firing AHEAD flak cannon as hightier AA

[@Maggi9909]

ive gotten lucky and like 1 shot reaction shot Abrams and Leo`s in the 2s38 and simular APFSDS slinging IVF`s several times just as funny every time

[@steven03048]

the Gepard spaag already uses programmable fuse for air targets, so the consept it's nothing really new, but if the real Puma will have this feature is another question.

[@Warbound]

In warthunder weeeeell, it’s warthunder

[@ifoundrandomevents5240]

the chinese 8.3 aa also has this ahead round its powerful as hell

[@Trump24GreatWhiteHope]

So basically you can only attack when there coming towards you sorta. Otherwise it will Fuze to far behind something going away??

[@l.h.9747]

Pretty much. It is stil better then the normal HE belt against air targets (at least in the chinese AA that got this belt) not necesarrily because its easier to damage aircrafts with hits but because you can surprise them as there isnt any tracer in those rounds. I think the normal HE belts would still do more damage but they can easily be evaded due to the tracer

[@tbaggedproductions2719]

How are you finding these "major changes"? I've been looking everywhere on the websites lmao

[@dserrao7188]

Kind of surprising they haven’t done a proper update of the PUMA and given it it’s proper weapon loadout, including ATM’s.

[@TurnyPlays]

I suspect it will come as a separate tank at some point :)

[@willisdaname6179]

@@TurnyPlays I think they should just give the puma spikes, it would be easier than releasing a different vehicle, plus there isn’t even a different variant of the puma they could use that would make sense because there are only the variant of puma with lighter armor, but why give those ATM’s, just make the puma like 10.3 and give it spikes now that they have kinda fixed them in the newest patch with the Namer 30.

[@kimjanek646]

The AHEAD fragments deal a ton of structural damage. Which doesn’t make a lot of sense, since it’s just a bunch of tiny fragments hitting the target, which should be knocking out pilots and engines.

[@jPlanerv2]

yep it should kill engines, pilots and avionics not whole wings

[@viruscookie4440]

It had ahead already tho, so does it actually work now?

[@Stalinium777]

M109A1 at top tier would be funny (pls)

[@thebinarysquad5962]

Really fun too. You can 1 hit every mbt in the game with it

[@Roenhelmify]

Yo get the scavanger camo for the Puma, it's sick.

[@credelle]

Puma now is better than the italian top tier SPAA

[@indyjons321]

Pretty sure this was just a bug that they ignored for a while.

[@raizencore]

From the looks of it, you're better off having that extra APFSDS belt, these ahead rounds seem so weak they aren't worth using.

[@simpleknight1922]

I don't think they modelled the shrapnel

[@Immortal_BP]

25:29 the new "AA" round is wayyy worse than just using apds

[@Em.P14]

not new, but they made the lock on now finally set the range for the rangefinder try put the chinese gepard now

[@prawnik4493]

when skynex AA

[@yuanfurbax]

I prefer the APFSDS's velocity

[@levelovixor]

Apds has slightly better velocity than apfsds

[@BallBusta]

Eh, I think you would have faired better with just APDS alone. The AHEAD ammo seems more like a meme than a viable option for AA in Warthunder.

[@JazzyJustin]

Now they have to add the timed fuse shell to the hstvl

[@JazzyJustin]

Or maybe it was proximity fuse, not sure

[@grandadmiralginger]

@@JazzyJustinproxy fuse. Not timed lol. I think everyone by that point was over the time fuzed bs lol

[@cameronyoung8737]

Should host some customs

[@heinzbeanzz7267]

Plink plink plink

[@ItzCPU_]

I love aHEAD

[@Sean74218]

Hey is it just me or do you EVER receive laser warnings anymore? I have the module installed and in my multi function menu on but it never activates. I swear im not going crazy

[@TurnyPlays]

depends on the tank, they all have different FOV's :)

[@Agro_Kubus_998]

3:57 zobacz na swoją amunicje po jej wybuchu!!!!!(Polish)

[@LakuzG]

I dont understand what they even changed this update? Hasn't it always been like this?

[@thecrab2791]

you used to have to manually rangefind the target so it was kinda useless

[@LakuzG]

@@thecrab2791 still kinda is? Why don't they just give it god dam proxy rounds

[@thecrazyhound6010]

Still no spike tho

[@mptechie]

ahh yes, the constant, delayed, laser rangefinding fuse timing that is barely effective against a target retaining direction, speed and distance from your muzzle. They didn't really do anything for the round itself as it doesn't have shrapnel in the game, just a HE filler that acts according to "realshitter" and has no cone but expands spherically instead. At this point just make it a proxy round and imitate the Swedish SPAA...

[@Stridsvagn-PanzerKommandant]

Now when will the CV9030 get this... and 35mm Oerlikons??

[@ZzVinniezZ]

they should get the ability to lock-on to aircraft first. i dont think CV9030 have it...not sure about the premium 35mm version tho

[@grandadmiralginger]

@@ZzVinniezZit dosent have irst either or ahead which it’s gun is modified to use.

[@Hovis_Enjoyer]

marshmellow

[@shreyopal3091]

For the sake of God tam 2c pls

[@Godlikz]

the Puma is a joke on 10.0 he needs the Spikes LR. he is one of the worst IFV on the BR.

[@shiko-uo8dj]

Day 259 of asking for some juicy black prince gameplay 👾

[@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274]

its not pewma turrrnyyyy

[@chrehm337]

Yeah, more like poo-ma

[@USSWISCONSIN64]

oh god why Turny. why you make this video so now have to see even MORE of them! :( SHAME!

[@eltlacuachegamer7288]

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[@freakynoobn]

meanwhile something trash like the qn506 gets nerfed... 10/10

[@jakechapman3161]

I sometimes wonder if cas players know that they are the worst kind of player and then I remember I don’t have to look myself in the mirror the same way they do and I feel better. Y’all suck

[@Ru251Fanboy-hv8js]

I thought the puma wasn't op enough :P (Gaijin probably)