The Punk Rock Degenerate: Rolling Stone Buries Justin Sane (Anti-Flag DRAMA)

The Punk Rock Degenerate: Rolling Stone Buries Justin Sane (Anti-Flag DRAMA) #punkrock
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[@danframpt0n]

hey thanks for watching. www.thepunkrocktherapist.org/

[@Holden-C.]

Its always the ones that preach the most

[@mrhappy7654]

You’re doing awesome work here, Dan. As a victim of SA, I tremendously appreciate the support and compassion you demonstrate ❤

[@trashcanjam]

I agree! He talks about it so well and is extremely sensitive and thoughtful with his wording

[@batboy9997]

His defense will be "you'd do the same! Whoah whoah whoah!!"

[@theokenric]

Except that was Andy Flag singing and he’s a standup dude who left the band because of issues with Justin

[@batboy9997]

@@theokenric huh. Never knew who was singing on that album. I just remember buying it at the mall and my grandma yelling at me because of the cover.

[@chesspunk489]

@@batboy9997 They both sang on that album. Andy sang on that song though.

[@batboy9997]

@@chesspunk489 well now I know. I am still going with my initial joke, though.

[@chesspunk489]

@@batboy9997 it's a good joke

[@krissymarklewis1793]

He tried it on with my friend's 15-year-old niece. This guy is as straight up as it comes and would not lie to me. I've heard other first-hand accounts too. He is a scumbag.

[@krissymarklewis1793]

this is sickening but thanks for covering this...I can see your emotion on this. Left me a bit sick in the stomach and I feel sorry for all the victims involved.

[@petesematary]

Good on you for using your platform to shed light on this creep. Hopefully this can be a line in the sand for predators and abusers in the scene

[@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245]

So if these allegations are true, anti-flag is now a true pop punk act

[@xdeadbeatboi6666x]

Pop punk has a sexual assault problem.

[@AcidropOSY]

Yoooo 💀

[@TRAUMABINLADEN]

Haha!

[@robertlowe5902]

Booooom!

[@dasparkd]

Real talk.

[@kieran6417]

"Male feminist" is a huge creep imagine my shock

[@SpikeValentine]

Man of culture.

[@Slypooch]

Bill burr “how many titties did you grab to call yourself a male femimsts” 😂

[@deathmachine808]

Turncoat, killer, liar, thief - criminal with protection of the law!

[@iaksakkak1006]

You mean with protection of his bandmates.

[@Sershine]

That's crazy, it was probably his way of coming out about it. It was talking about himself the whole time

[@AliceBowie]

The punk scene in the 90s always had 30 and 40 y.o. guys in bands hooking up with teenagers in every town. When you're a teenager it just seems weird, then in your 20s it hits you. The worst part of this is the band pretending like they didn't know anything about it.

[@iaksakkak1006]

I’m a little disappointed that part of the rolling stone article wasn’t brought up

[@rhysmayes5092]

There is no question the band knew he was sex offender. Maybe they didn't know the extent. But they were around him for years!

[@zippymufo9765]

@@rhysmayes5092 Yeah, there's no way they couldn't have known when most of the Pittsburgh scene were warning young girls to stay away from him.

[@ivanortiz5046]

All scenes

[@PeterMendozaDebaser]

yeah didn't George Casualty was doing the same shit. Til he got Me too!

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

This is incredibly depressing, Anti-flag spoke a message that is true & to see the singer being a hypocritical scumbag is just overwhelming.

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

I feel sick, mygod.

[@taliweller2399]

Hi Dan, Tali Weller here. Thank you for adding your voice in our support. As I navigate owning my story around all this, a nitpicky clarification for you: my name is pronounced like "tally" - just FYI! 😁 Again; I am - we survivors are - so grateful for your support. Thank you.

[@danframpt0n]

Sorry for muspronouncing your name. Oops. Thanks for reaching out. I can't imagine how hard this coming to the surface right. ♥️♥️

[@trashcanjam]

❤️❤️❤️ sending you love

[@taliweller2399]

No problem! And thank you again. 🙂

[@thejoshsings9280]

@@taliweller2399 I send you love too

[@TheUnderWaterBoy]

He lied and used his beliefs as an excuse, I feel betrayed

[@invade81]

if they were even his beliefs. I always felt they were full of shit, their politics are about as deep as a piss puddle. They are no Propagandhi.

[@feeshunter1508]

How could his band mates be in a band with him for so long and now claim they had no idea what was going on? I always knew they were posers anyway.

[@Yanerd.]

As a SA survivor, this makes me extremely angry. I’m about to get personal right now, but I was SA’d throughout my childhood and r worded at 12, and I cannot believe this piece of crap is not locked up. Man, my heart goes out to these women. It’s a hard thing to deal with. Damn, this triggered me more than I thought. Thank you for talking about this, Dan. This needs to be out there and people need to continue to talk about this because it’s not right. FML, I’m going for walk. Once again, thanks for putting it out there. Bye

[@danframpt0n]

♥️♥️ thank you for sharing your story. I can only imagine how crushing that must feel. I am so happy to have you in this community

[@storytimespectacular]

I’m so sorry. You deserve better. I hope you find peace with much better people in your lives. Been a victim myself.

[@cleaspeaks]

I'm so sorry for what happened to you. Sending you all the positive vibes. 💜

[@trashcanjam]

I’m sorry to hear this. Sending you love and support

[@chris_822]

This is how I felt too..for the same reason. Especially as a woman. Kristina said that 60+ women have come forward since and it just makes me sick. It's really affected me. Solidarity and care friend. ❤️

[@cleaspeaks]

#JustinSaneForPrison2023

[@Jersey_Jay]

I'm still just as shocked about him being the slimy creep that he is today as I was the day I found out about it.

[@rubberlover666]

Man, this keeps getting more gross and more depressing. Well Danny Masterson just got life for rape so hopefully Justin isn’t too far behind (plus some extra years for all the shit music he made)

[@zippymufo9765]

So far he's not being charged with anything.

[@bassettwheel]

This is just disgusting. Justin Geever is a freaking predator.

[@storytimespectacular]

Shocked rolling stone published something decent

[@trashcanjam]

Lol

[@DefiantStyle]

How can you preach how he has and do this stuff? Your first video brought be to tears and this is almost too much to handle. I’ve been a fan for over 20 years how fucking fake can someone be? I literally wear my flaws on my sleeve proudly and he’s out there faking it to one of the most thoughtful communities there is. He’s made me lose more faith in the world, but I have faith that there’s genuine people out there like myself and I’ll never cave-in!

[@antimatrix1400]

Me too,Man ..Fuck Justin Sane..just saw them right before this came out.Using the scene to victimize kids.

[@harveygross285]

It sucks we have to use the saying Seperate the art from the artist. Like. No! This is the shittest realization

[@punkrockshitface8734]

This is makes me sick. He betrayed all of us. I can’t imagine being her and thinking that that night would be the best of her life and then have it end like that. I gotta take my anti flag patches off of everything. I don’t even know who I can feel safe with anymore.

[@feathersmcgraw4090]

Learn to fight. Trust yourself. Sorry, world sucks ass.

[@ripperplaysclon152]

Trust no one but yourself.

[@DuvibdDuvusbudhd]

Most virtue signalling liberals are creeps.

[@topreviewer2153]

Anti-Flag joins Lostprophets on the list of bands I CANNOT LISTEN TO ANYMORE.

[@eliduncan4630]

A seventeen and a nineteen year old hooking up isn't gross that's a normal range. What Justin apparently did however is beyond gross. It's predatory

[@TheBronxBunnyMan]

PA law is within two years, which would be the 17 and 19 thing. I learned that one when my then 16-year-old friend told me his then-girlfriend was 18. There was a time after an Anti-Flag show in Lancaster, Pa where he just gave off weird vibes when he was talking to a group of women a few years ago.

[@dlwseattle]

It explains a lot about why the rest of the band closed up shop immediately! There was nothing to deny or a case to make or any way to spin it in their favor. Life is complicated and precious, and it can all change and come crashing down in an instant - especially if you are playing with fire!

[@Cosmicchaos2675]

I suffered SA abuse as a child. It really messed me up for years. I am very glad this is exposed. The people who abused me as a child in my family, are still at large and I’m 40 years old now. It’s important for survivors to spread awareness.

[@iaksakkak1006]

“The women, alongside some of the band’s fans, also chastised the other band members for failing to take an immediate hard stance against Geever publicly or even acknowledge the blind eye they may have turned, as three women claim some of the members were present when Geever brought them on tour, backstage, or on the tour bus as teenagers and young women. “They knew how young everybody was,” Rebecca, who dated a then-25-year-old Geever as a 17-year-old in the late 1990s, claims. “There was a clear boundary that he kept crossing over and over that should have raised flags for everybody.”

[@zohrehdaly]

Absolutely awful. My heart goes out to all of his victims.

[@afabfemboymusic]

absolutely disgusting, wtf

[@JACKDISBACK]

A real public service you're doing here shining a light on this story Dan. Fingers crossed Kristina's business will take off and this will spark a massive change.

[@trashcanjam]

Agree!!!

[@austincrump5017]

Most dudes who claim “feminist” are suspect to me. Js.

[@PaulHahrrgis_]

Years ago on the band’s website, I can recall each member being listed as 19 years old, even though they were obviously well older. Does anyone else remember this? I might be connecting dots that don’t need to be connected, but it is rather odd thinking about it now IMO.

[@rockvids42]

Yes, creepy. Makes me wonder if the other guys in the band are so innocent. I mean how could you be in a band together for 25 years and not see this shitty behaviour at least once??

[@brittislove]

Do you remember what year, or about then that was? I could maybe dig that info up for you to confirm your suspicions.

[@PaulHahrrgis_]

@@brittislove I wanna say somewhere around 2009-11.

[@grutfrut5817]

I remember that too, I'd say it was early 2010s.

[@trashcanjam]

You did a really good job making this video. Not easy content. It’s so heart breaking. If you didn’t find it tough, I’d be concerned. Sending love to you for doing this.

[@VynylFantasy]

I’m convinced nobody knows the definition of ‘paedophile’.

[@jslaughterofthesoul4939]

No reason to use "hebephile" as a euphemism to make these guys feel a bit better or for there to be more empathy for them and less stigma about what they've done. Neither sexual paraphilia is okay by societal/moral standards, and we consider minors children. I don't think most laypeople are familiar with the compartmentalized definitions for those who are attracted to minors of different age brackets anyway

[@briannajozwiak1677]

These allegations are nauseating and absolutely abhorrent. As a punk, femininst, a fan of AF, and a mother of a 12 year old daughter, these horrorific stories literally turn my stomach. . I am 40 and have been a punk and AF fan since the late 90s. I have been to multiple shows of theirs in the Buffalo area and have met the band and Justin and I had a 5 minute conversation about my fair dye. I was so thrilled to have HIM having a real conversation with me!!! It was on ofbthe best moments of my life!! I never once felt threatened by him....I am only 4'11" and I was single and had been drinking some, I very easily could have fell victim to him and brought him to my daughter!!! That is so scary!! I'm so glad we only spoke about hair dye and one of my best buddies who is like a brother to me was with me and a huge guy. It makes me so sick to think I was so enamored and star struck with him, I didn't even see or feel any red flags I usually have a excellent creep radar.

[@c.s.7993]

Provide proof? For such a long time fan you seem awfully easy in turning on the guy you personally experienced as not a threat. Where is the hard evidence?

[@beanpasteposts]

@@c.s.7993The Rolling Stones article has photos of him dating the girls he abused back in the 90s, and even letters he wrote them while dating them! You can also easily just confirm the ages of the victims and Justin and compare the age differences. It doesn't look good for him either way.

[@Cognitoman]

All these bands are full of shit…

[@PrettyRubbish]

​@@c.s.7993lmao only a weak willed pissant remains cool with people who have numerous allegations of bad abusive behavior against others levied at them. One incident I could see taking with a grain of salt. Numerous incidents, with corroborating evidence? Whether it's a friend of yours or a celebrity you admire, continuing to support that person just makes you an enabler and complicit. Almost on the same level as they are.

[@trashcanjam]

Amazinf that you showed where we can go to talk to someone if we need to. Thank you, Dan. This is a solid piece, too.

[@matthewnorman2801]

Did the rest of the band not know about this??? Or did they just let it fly until he got caught!? Are they not complicit?

[@MellowGhetto]

I ALWAYS wanted the broken M-16 logo tattooed on my elbows... THANK GOD I never actually went through with it!

[@liamalchin3447]

I'm getting mine covered

[@xxlovehaterxx]

I got the gunstar on my back when I was 18 back in 2002 as my 1st tattoo. I'm getting it covered ASAP.

[@figarofugazi5462]

Dude, I thought about getting it the other day, bc I didn't know ANY of this.

[@chesspunk489]

I stopped listening to them when the Terror State came out and I thought it was awful. Before that though I thought they were a great band. I certainly did not see this coming.

[@DuvibdDuvusbudhd]

Seriously. Terror state was absolutely disappointing.

[@chesspunk489]

@@DuvibdDuvusbudhd Finally, somebody else who feels the aame way.

[@Blackpilled-Chud-Named-Shane]

I didn't know this. I fell out of the punk scene when I decided to grow up. These people involved in the punk scene as so degnerate, I can't believe I supported these guys.

[@alexzemaitis1207]

I bet Justin would be good friends with Ian Watkins

[@ShaneWreck83]

I literally just heard about this crazy and very despicable situation. So I'm at the present moment 40 yrs of age. When I was in my mid teens (15-16) I had already dived head first down the rabbit hole known as punk rock in the past year and a half. Then I was gifted a mix tape (that statement alone dates me lol) and on said tape was a healthy mix of Propagandhi, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys and this little band from Pittsburgh called Anti Flag. The tracks included were basically all "The Classics" from the "Die For The Government" LP. I was in love instantly with the band. I bought "A New Kind Of Army" when it was released. Those two albums were the soundtrack of my life for the better part of 2 years. Long story short, I kinda wasn't a big fan of some of their future material. But hearing/learning about what a textbook predator he had/has been is not only shocking but inexcusable. My heart goes out to any and everyone that was victimized by him. And good of his former band mates/friends for coming out and essentially breaking and ending all ties to him. I still can't wrap my head around it.

[@isakjarlestedt2001]

Great video Dan! Very nice of you to share these stories and give support to the victims

[@DomesticatedPunk]

He did not feel regret for choking her, it’s all part of the grooming. He pushes things, she cries, he apologizes, he pushes things further the next time etc etc. it is straight out of an abuser’s handbook

[@BNA_Est.1988]

8:35 I was there 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Sk8AndDestr0y]

Thank you!

[@markshadows3667]

Imagine the stories from that tour they did with Aiden. Yikes.

[@thomaskoppel1690]

His predaters acting has nothing in common with Punk feelings

[@billmarshall268]

I'm not sure if you're gonna read this. But I remember in the year two thousand. They had a web page and all their ages were listed at nineteen. Except for number two he wasn't nineteen yet.

[@Syco4369]

I’m going to be straight forward here. You and I really don’t align on certain subjects (like blink, Travis, etc), but as a victim of sexual assault when I was a kid - this was fucking refreshing and honest and really nice to hear. I’ve dealt with my trauma through the years, though it’s been a hard journey. And anti-flag was such a big part of shaping my political structure growing up (and I just saw them a few months ago), so it was heartbreaking to hear this news. But you broke it down exactly as it needed to be. I’m looked up to Justin and the band and this actually fucked me up on a whole different level. It opened wounds from my own sexual abuse that made me feel so bad for these women.

[@LonePear]

I liked the back patch on a jacket that I had from the "for blood and empire" times. I really didn't want to take all the stitches out, so I made a stencil and sprayed "anti-" above "anti-flag". Seemed like an alright option.

[@PumppKen-Exe]

YIPPEEE ANOTHER DAN FRAMPTON VIDEO🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞

[@brianbissinger2135]

Much love thank you for the content

[@ctrl8337]

Is there ever a "male feminist" who isn't secretly engaging in predatory behavior? It's a tale as old as time. And the entire band should be held accountable. What are the odds that they weren't aware of Justin being a rapist and a pedophile? My guess would be slim to none.

[@dasparkd]

I'm having a real hard time buying the innocence of the other 3 band members in terms of them being oblivious to his crimes. Sorry.

[@minuscaseus]

Don't be sorry. If they actually had remorse, theyd have reached out to Kristina and The Punk Rock Therapist to offer their support to the victims. They did nothing of the sort.

[@zekec6088]

It bums me out that I was suprised to find your compassionate responce that doesn't downplay how predatory this man is and the severity of his crimes, after searching this topic and finding a bunch of podcast bros doing exactly that- and on with their 'allegations haven't been proven (not as a disclaimer for legality's sake, but as an imperative not to rush to judge this pos) despite the significant witness corroboration and evidence RS found. I just heard about all this yesterday. Thanks for sitting with and not dissasociating from the material, as painful as it is to imagine what these people experienced at the hands of this human predator, as pain as it is allowing yourself to feel. I cried again, watching this, like when I read the RS article yesterday, however I think it was a good thing to reexperience the shock and horror again with company.

[@jjett350]

I loved this band. When I was I kid. You know what they say. Never meet your heroes.

[@science2726]

Chomo as they say in prison. It’s not going to go well for him in prison.

[@decadepasts]

Well if a bunch of women say something is true I guess it must be true. I mean it's not like anyone would have a reason to lie about a famous rock star who wouldn't have to try very hard to get laid. I mean I'm sure there must be some evidence that he broke the law and is on his way to prison right? RIGHT? ha ha ha ha ha

[@skippysimon]

im disgusted by this because i know anti-flag personally...ive been in the punk and comedy scenes for most of my adult life and it's appalling the amount of pedophile creeps that exist in both arenas...im sorry the victims had become victims by these scumbags...i hope they get justice...

[@dailydriver5942]

Yikes, that skeleton assaulting women. And there’s no way the other guys in the band didn’t already know. Gross

[@aleab3472]

I didn’t need this saga for saying this, but: I truly love Anti-Flag’s songs sung by Chris#2, Turncoat and other Justin’s song are always been ignored by me

[@robertmcbain6247]

I feel you... I clicked because I thought I wanted to hate anti flag more but I can't listen to all this

[@RadikAlice]

Just found out about this while looking up 'Turncoat' to share it with a friend, not much to say Given what I've heard of Tim Timebomb, I wonder when he'll get his due, if ever

[@microaggressor1113]

There will be alot more coming out hopefully it won’t be buried. He has done horrible things with other “pillars“ of the punk rock community. Especially during the warp tour years. Warp tour was full of rape and pedos…..

[@tobyridley9273]

He was the second bassist in a7x

[@Misfit710]

This might explain the real reason why Andy Flag left the band after the first few years. To my knowledge there was never a statement or reason given for Andy’s departure.

[@johnh8390]

Wow didn’t even know ow about this. Used to love the band. Just posted about them on a bass review account so that the guy could check the basslines out. I feel dirty now

[@hiding_my_name]

This is all terrible. Unfortunately spending about 20 years going to punk shows I've heard a lot of bad shit about band members. I cant validate any of them except the ones in the news, but this shit is rampant in the punk rock scene, please do what you can to protect yourselves all.

[@capeda9942]

lol I was just randomly searching for some antiflag songs and came across this video. Never would have pegged Justin as a pedo, but sounds legit. Crazy world.

[@robertbarnaby5855]

So when are we giving him his boot party?

[@bubblysquidd4671]

Dan frampton the typa guy to use the turkey Tom thumbnail on the anti-flag scandal

[@diegodefante]

damn warped tour has a lot of r4pe vi0lence and 0verd0ses history

[@MUG3N720]

Pop punk has a pedo problem

[@orb2150tx]

I know he can't show his face in any scene anywhere without getting dropped. You can bet that. Beef up the security detail, Justin.

[@6AM_YT]

Me googling "spreader bar"... 😮

[@chesspunk489]

I have no idea what it is and I am not sure if I want to know.

[@xanderpromeo]

I just had to google. Wtf, gross.

[@kficiur]

I hope that’s his nickname in jail

[@jasoncoffmanandhunterjimmithy]

Also, how the fuck did the band not know? I call bullshit.

[@jasonirr9826]

Yiiiiiikes can’t believe I just found this.

[@trashcanjam]

Psych torture for sure

[@topreviewer2153]

I’m glad you brought up Ian Watkins.

[@chris_822]

Was sickened by this.. CSA survivor and woman. Liked and respected anti flag so much. This hurt..it inspired my grad school essay and I got in. I start tomorrow and want to br a therapist for kids who've experienced trauma and abuse. Kristina is such an inspiration to me.

[@crackerpunk]

Male feminists 101

[@robertmckinney6284]

What’s your opinion on Jesse Lacey from brand new maybe a video

[@tomgreenfan]

Probably not very positive

[@trashcanjam]

Oh no…. What? I haven’t haven’t heard of this! I used to love Brand New

[@keatonwiththatheatson]

A month or two after Brand New dropped Science Fiction, someone came on record and said Jesse Lacey groomed them around the early 2000s.

[@beesod6412]

Thank you for being a decent human, not many of those around these days.

[@sk8m4r10]

Just watch about the CARTEL

[@rhysmayes5092]

Amazing video. Good wok mate x

[@trashcanjam]

❤❤❤ hearts instead of pancakes for all the SA survivors ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@user-dn8rj3dp7g]

God it's Stza Crack all over again (just a scumbag in a different way but a scumbag nonetheless)

[@potatochip9283]

Squatter life forever!!! Up the PUNX!!!

[@jedd.0322]

Lol the turkey tom thumbnail

[@aam177]

Wtf what is the age of concent? Its 16 in my country?

[@danframpt0n]

ew

[@Teekay617]

Never liked them, and second "All ages shows" definitely should not be for these shows.

[@unkopower7899]

Anti-Flag should do a cover of Lynyrd Skynyrd "What's Your Name Little Girl". Even if you're a teen, you should have the spidey-sense enough to know that those that virtue signal the hardest and loudest are usually full of it.

[@zekec6088]

'...if you're a teen, you should,' huh? why because the education system and society at large do an excellent job of teaching kids, girls especially, to stand up to grown men, to question perceived authority and adult competance, to believe in their inalienable right to bodily autonomy, to trust their instincts, not to seek validation and approval by men? You are so full of it *eyeroll* why do you lay blame for being abused on young people for being gullible enough to believe the persona of their abuser? *edit is it because you are unable to stomach being complicit in a sick society and/or subculture that allowed this guy's cr*mes against kids to continue for ovr 30 years?

[@John-rambo84]

Wtf??? No way man!!

[@xeverettx2564]

Wait so your telling me Punk Rock The Rapist is who I talk to.

[@trashcanjam]

💔

[@JellyGoat666]

I feel for Chris #2.

[@Ant_From_Ohio]

I guess predators come in all shapes and sizes. I'm not a big guy at all and Justin is puny compared to me. I got thrown out of an Anti Flag show once for something I did to their road crew, but got back in and met him after their show, and yeah. Tiny dude. Never would've suspected something like this.

[@rayc2282]

Grew up listening to punk music never liked AF particularly Justin

[@diddyfaplord]

You bring so many good chats! ❤

[@POSS99]

Justin insane