THE PUNK ROCK MBA Quits: Burnout, Betrayal, and Hard Truths.

[@deboraherskine8503]

The disrespectful part is when he referred to his audience as "smooth brained morons" or something to that effect. He decided to burn his bridges on the way out. There is a reason for this that we don't know about yet. He sounds bitter and lashing out. So lets see what happens next.

[@fclefjefff4041]

I'm not sure why anyone cares "what happens next" 😆

[@podfuk]

He also called band stupid for not making lots of money like him, yeah. Damn Fugazi, you fools 🤣🤣🤣

[@zachroberts1988]

He wants you to not care about him at all... There was no reason for it which is why people think hes running from something...

[@infinidominion]

KZbin needs to get off this and forget his useless ass

[@garyt3hsna1l82]

As a marketing guy i would think that calling your entire previous audience, clients, or fanbase _a bunch of rubes_ would jeopardize future marketing endeavors i would certainly think twice about supporting his future projects

[@Lambda_official]

Absolutely right with the engagement not existing with newer bands as much as it exists with the older bands that have been. We are trying quite hard to make music videos and live videos for new bands but we simply dont find the engagement we find with older bands.

[@danpantzig7266]

Dude had the worst takes, and blatantly lies saying he didn't ever care about music. He got called out by his community for being shitty, took his ball and went home. He won't be missed.

[@KrytoRift]

I always thought this. I've been into punk rock my whole life. When I stumbled on his channel on my own and was like, oh this is up my alley. But his opinions always left me scratching my head. So counter to every one else I've known in the scene. Like has this guy ever been to a show? Now it all makes sense ro me

[@lukebryant5017]

He doesn’t care about music he doesn’t like. It’s shocking how dull you ppl are lol

[@HarryToeface]

@@lukebryant5017 that's not what he said you ball rider

[@HarryToeface]

@@lukebryant5017 he said he "has no interest in music at all" or can't you comprehend simple sentences?

[@KrytoRift]

@lukebryant5017 not really what he said

[@starvingbuddha7622]

Sounds like people put too much faith in content creators

[@almac5446]

Honestly people kind of stopped putting faith into him because he had gotten worse over time

[@CMO1061]

@@starvingbuddha7622 that’s fair.

[@joeylummox7330]

🎯 💯 🎯 💯

[@STUN_SEED.]

For real man

[@maxtrein532]

Never liked him. Very arrogant guy. Always acted like he knew everything.

[@Dragon-Believer]

He knew how to look at Wikipedia.

[@radish6740]

Nothing less punk rock than marketing. Figuring out he’s really just an unpleasant money grubbing poser left a lot of his audience feeling betrayed.

[@jjc828]

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated" punk was built on marketing

[@theunborn33]

The first time I saw that guy I immediately thought: "F this fraud"

[@EdwardoZ]

​@@jjc828and very few people in actual punk scenes care/talk about the pistols

[@fclefjefff4041]

@@radish6740 “Betrayed” is a little dramatic. 😆 It’s weird that people have such strong feelings about this dingdong.

[@lukebryant5017]

If you ever felt “betrayed” by a KZbinr you’re not punk rock you’re an actual f.. lmfao

[@jameskeene9317]

But that’s not the point. He specifically said he doesn’t even like music but based his whole online persona about music. He could’ve done anything else but he chose something he said he didn’t even like. He could’ve went into gaming or even marketing which he has a degree in. And the worst part was him giving his life story about going to shows and discussing his religious beliefs through seeing it in the metal scene. And him saying he doesn’t even like music just make you second guess every story he’s told about a show he went to and you don’t know if he’s even lying about being there in the first place. He just doesn’t understand he could’ve easy quit and left but he chose to call all of his followers smooth brained morons.

[@PlasticCogLiquid]

He's just stirring a pot. I say the same kind of shit just to get reactions sometimes.

[@dennisselleck1281]

@@PlasticCogLiquidI think your right , if he didn’t go to shows then he sure did a great job faking it.

[@d_hurl]

For what it's worth he was buddies with a pretty influential Power Violence band called Spazz- to the point where one of their split EPs had like 6 songs all either making fun of him or his mom iirc. If you aren't familiar with the PV scene then it might seem like they were dissing him- but thats just not the case. At one point he was def in a cool music scene to a degree. That's at least something verifiable, after like 1997 who knows, and who really cares...

[@blade_warrior_blue]

Yeah that is pretty fake. Definition of a grifter. Is grifting a crime? No. But it sure as hell is not honest.

[@extremotionaltrouffas]

Maybe because that's precisely how they appear to be ?...

[@punklover99]

A hipster burnout who simultaneously hated gatekeeping but was the be all end all on opions

[@kochampokoj870]

Finn was my phone's staple for like three years or so. You could always count on him deliver a video or two every week. His overnight disappearance left a hole in my heart. No homo but I've been missing his input. He made me interested in sepultura and Pantera. I got to revisit nirvana and guns and roses. He put plenty of trends on my radar. He allowed me to see the bigger picture when it comes to culture in general. My outlook on culture is now more holistic. I feel like a chapter has just ended. Now ima go cry in a corner.

[@TheRealCeeJai]

@@kochampokoj870 Trust me, there are plenty of people out there who will fill that gap for you and do a better job in that space than Finn ever did.

[@Soshikix]

​@@TheRealCeeJaiTrue in theory, but sometimes people just don't click for you the way others do, even though the content is the same.

[@dominikaksiazek7177]

I feel the same, bro. I liked his sarcasm and he definitely made me more open minded even though I often didn't agree with him, some of his takes were brilliant.

[@Supreme-Mentalman]

He’s a living god and we NEED him

[@orlandocarrasquillo4481]

I don't believe he just hated it; that's a lie the truth it's the atmosphere online that did him in. The pushback about his opinions on different genres of music from diehard fans, political leanings-left vs right and the age gap of his relationship whether it was legal or illegal when it started. Though, even if you have legal age gap relationship the worst is always assumed, and people online just love to treat people like crap. I do believe you had a better take them most on the situation vs the majority of others on youtube.

[@deboraherskine8503]

I've gotten the impression so far from watching a few different creators reacting to the news, that he rubbed people the wrong way. Both irl and online. The positive reactions (as in people that weren't celebrating his demise) are definitely a very very tiny minority compared to the people practically baking cakes and having parties over it (sarcasm of course, but clarifying because it's the internet 🙄). I think when that many people come out and are relieved to hear you're gone, it is definitely a "you" problem, for sure. 😅

[@robertpatterson1037]

John Peel the radio DJ that most of his life played what he wanted popular or not. One of the few who didn’t bend and was respected for it.

[@deboraherskine8503]

One of my sons has his name as a middle name as tribute to that man :)

[@robertpatterson1037]

@ great DJ. sadly missed.

[@SvetlinNikolovPhx]

Thank you for letting me know about Ladrones - just checked them out! Also, I think Finn is a very intelligent guy. I doubt he would do this if he didn't know what would happen. I think people who used to hate on him are getting triggered exactly as expected.

[@kissingcandice]

This is a great take - One of the best I have seen yet. As someone who has followed his career on YT and loved his writing on his old blogs like Metal Inquisition and State of The Scene… he definitely at one point liked music, or at least THE SCENE around it. I mean, the dude has stated multiple times he has TWO Hatebreed tattoos. When he started the channel it was a small community where he was able to inject his personality. As he got bigger, there was so much digging into his personal life via Reddit and attempts to “cancel” him however they can due to his wife’s content, his views, whatever. Years later, he has a family now. He is super talented in marketing and brand building. Does he want to subject himself to nonstop investigation and criticism while he tries to raise his young son with his wife? Probably not. Does he want to have a stable career as a brand advisor where he is more in the background and not the face/product - making OTHERS the product. Pulling in most likely more money, enjoying TIME OFF with his family. Maybe occasionally throwing Hatebreed’s Satisfaction on in the car. One of these options is clear. Best way to ensure you live a comfortable private life and not have your son’s face plastered around with negative comments due to your musical opinions? BURN IT DOWN!!! Props to Finn. As someone who was a musician on tour with my band (that I am commenting from right now as my primary channel is locked for no reason) the early days of his YT career I felt comfortable reaching out to him for advice. He PROMPTLY responded. His first statement - I don’t work with bands, it’s not easy to sustain and there’s too many factors and broke dudes. I hit him back explaining I was starting a mental health podcast interviewing people of different backgrounds locked inside in 2020. He reached back out and provided me an INCREDIBLE list of resources, books, and podcasts to help me achieve my goals. He didn’t ask for money, he was super kind and knowledgeable. Gonna say the dude just doesn’t want the toxicity of his youtube channel floating like a black cloud over his small family. He had a way out, he took it. Hoping he continues to be successful. I don’t think this is him turning on the scene, I think it’s (part of) the scene turning on him. He doesn’t want to fight. His audience is no longer serving him in leading a happy life. Cut the cord. PS: shout out to you guys for pushing Silly Goose in there. Played right before them at Louder Than Life last year, great band and a crazy work ethic. Cheers to you guys! Burnout is real, loved this video. Will be subscribing when I get my channel back!!!

[@positivepsycho2932]

Yeah, when you look at YT as a job, instead of from a fan perspective it makes more sense. I have literally done the same thing at a couple of old jobs. Just said fuck this shit I quit and made a scene just so I was completely done. With me it wasn't a conscious decision it was the heat of the moment. But I can understand that kind of frustration though.

[@areuouthere2103]

Well said.

[@CatOrmerod]

This is a fantastic comment. In the days of rabid clickbait and flaming and TeH InT3RnETzzz where Content and button click numbers is everything, lots of people forget there are other humans behind the videos with real lives. The mental health impact of putting yourself as a persona out there is real. Glad you've met Dews and Moose, they're always this thoughtful and genuinely lovely people ❤

[@gingeranagram2467]

Hes been getting called out for talking to his wife when she was still in high school and he was like 30. Convenient that all this happens just after the information comes out..

[@ShanesTubes]

At least we still have professor of rock. That's a real music fan.

[@Hptms]

Covering smaller bands to me is essential. I have had messages from people thanking me for helping them discovering said bands. I don’t do it for the numbers. I do it for the love of the music.

[@rakeloslyn2931]

didnt people notice how rude and horrible his takes were ? How he talked like a rich kid cosplaying as a deathmetal/hardcore kid. And it doesn't help he gave a platform to many of the horrible people in modern metal, like a douchebag bro Jogan, and being on pod casts of really shitty people. His vibe was so weird. Feels like He changed his opinion after what came out about artists, everything he said "that's fuckd up" about, he probably agrees with.

[@deboraherskine8503]

I've always said he gives off a weird vibe but I did take a lot of the things he said as hin attempting to make jokes but just not being funny 🤷🏼‍♀️😅

[@MrPatarach]

It's a real shame for youngsters who took him to be a valuable resource. For the older folk and those younger who cast a wider net and dug deeper it was obvious in one video that fella knew absolutely nothing. But anyone who trusted and enjoyed his stuff it's a real shame they essentially wasted their time. And he's a twat for wasting their time as a grifter.

[@specialguest5373]

He was terrible but also you ain’t coming back from meeting your wife when she was 17 and he was 30 - everybody knew about the homing / statutory rape - the end

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

This was a very balanced convo. Some new perspectives. Great vid boys.

[@resington]

He was always very clear that he was making videos about bands he's not into. That's fine with me, what's not fine is kinda throwing his viewers under the bus a bit. F U to the audience it felt like, most of which were people who enjoyed his stuff. That sucks.

[@whrecordings]

At the end of the day there's nothing wrong with doing content creation as a job vs a passion, but his videos were very much presented & framed through both his (supposed) personal experiences and passion for music. To blatantly lie about all that is about as cynical as it gets.

[@espotpod]

watched a few videos about this and by far this had the best discussion

[@demo3456]

Wait your telling me youtube isn't real life?

[@CaptainAndy]

I don’t particularly care one way or the other, but it seems pretty obvious to me that saying he doesn’t like the music and was only in it for the money is simply the surest way of pissing off his audience and thus thoroughly burning that bridge.

[@treehugger7976]

PDFile must have got caught.

[@chrisb8193]

As a former fan, this interview was pretty disappointing. Finn came off as a snotty, condescending prick throughout.

[@therealkakitron]

Pretty sure he's trolling us and will come back saying it was all to prove a point of how easily people fall for sht online and the music industry. I don't believe he was never into music.

[@chrisb8193]

@ Me neither but its still a bad look.

[@dominikaksiazek7177]

​@@therealkakitron it's more believable to me Finn's trolling and got burnt out (simply watch the video "These people really hate me" on his second channel), I don't believe he's never liked music. In that video he talks about being tired and unsatisfied with the quality of his content + massive hate, people spreading lies and even wanting to hurt him. He also says "I will only do it for the rest of this year and just quit". So I've known it for more than half a year that Finn's not gonna make PRMBA videos in 2025.

[@MrKingkz]

He always came off as that why didn't you notice earlier 😂

[@Xylus.]

If you post something online, and enough people see it, a certain percentage is always going to throw hate. Its just the nature of the internet and social media. There are people out there who's entire life's work is being negative online. You just have to remember that most of those people are just losers projecting their own frustrations.

[@alijohn1405]

It's a weird one because there's also a simular issue within bands themselves right. So like you have a new up and coming band that want to get on bigger shows, the promoter will ask how many tickets can they sell. Obviously they're an up and coming band so the answer is going to be minimal. However the headline band already playing could sell out the venue on their own, which gives the up and coming band a chance to play to a actual audience and build a stronger following for the next time they play in that town. However promoters generally won't book them.

[@user-tz2zz5ij1s]

The guy obviously isn’t worried about coming back. He’s a marketing guy and set a financial goal and reached it. Doesn’t matter if you like him, he seems like a pretty smart business guy. KZbin isn’t his life, he saw a market to capitalize on and went for it and was successful. I think the ones that have a problem are the ones stuck trying to make money on KZbin because they don’t have any other skills, or the people that don’t understand it’s all entertainment, he doesn’t owe anyone anything.

[@rock_and-or_roll]

My biggest problem with Finn is that he was never a creator in the punk or metal scene. Never started a band, never ran a venue, never worked at a record label, never did anything within the music industry. So his moniker the punk rock MBA was a bit of a bait and switch. The “punk rock” part and the “MBA” part were two wholly different things. I think most of us were interested in Finn at the outset because he had a very good working knowledge of the punk and metal scenes during the time period while he was growing up and deeply involved with them. There are a lot of elements involved with this, but I think one of them that people aren’t talking about is that, well, he’s just grown out of it. When you become a husband and a father, lots of other things take precedent over the things that you would usually use your leisure time for, like music, video games, movies, and TV, etc. When you’re snorting Coke and getting blind trunk, yeah, you’ve got lots of time to go to shows and keep up with the latest bands. But once you’ve got to start meeting schedules, cooking dinner, and wiping dirty baby butts, your priorities change.

[@dominikaksiazek7177]

If you watched Tank the Tech's video about him, you'd know Finn has been more involved behind the scenes than most people think. And Tank is a guy who's been years in this industry, he's a tour manager at the moment.

[@jdb2722]

Was outed when people found out he started dating his now wife when she was under 18 and he was in his 30’s. All a smoke screen to detract from that. Better to be known as a poser who outsmarted everyone instead of an online creep.

[@TheDominicKellmanPodcast]

This has really messaged up my Christmas😢

[@fernandosepulveda7297]

Lmao really??

[@TheDominicKellmanPodcast]

@@fernandosepulveda7297 yes 😂

[@mattsheezy5469]

I like the fact that he’s being straight up about it, who cares what he does?

[@TraceVandal]

He was always pushing these HORRIBLE mumble rappers saying they are the future of music. All of those artists went nowhere.

[@nickkorea5850]

At the end of the day he ended up being a lot smarter than his haters. Made his money and bailed. I guess he can't go to another show without a disguise but I think he's ok with that

[@ehwick8175]

Zero respect for him. I liked the concepts he made, but anybody can just take some of it and put their own spin on it. His shit personality is what ultimately made this downfall happen.

[@akirahellfire]

I actually really enjoyed when he covered newer bands/scenes/whatever and I pretty much stop paying attention to his channel once it became nonstop nostalgia

[@Nightc1tyronin]

Yeah I’m with you on that. Luckily with have Rockfeed and Nik Nocturnal.

[@cartilagehead]

I’m not remotely Straight Edge, and I honestly have a number of criticisms of that particular subculture-but if I was somebody who cared deeply about it, as many do, or was somebody who had struggled with sobriety either personally or through a loved one, it would absolutely rub me the wrong way to see a guy falsely claim a history in the subculture in order to lend credibility to his KZbin slop project

[@RIGGOTS]

I honestly don't understand how this is any way newsworthy..... MAN GETS NEW JOB.

[@rockinbobokkin7831]

He was a marketing guy. That's what the show was about, and who the show was for. It was for sellouts. I was on for the ride pretty early on, and it just was not for me. His whole thing wasn't even about the music. It was how to better get a dollar out of a band.

[@eriksoriano]

I recommend a french nu metal band called “pleymo”, they sound good, 2000s band. I have been a huge fan of Finn over the years, and got inspired by him, it feels weird him openly admitting it was an act, but I respect him for telling the truth at least, many ppl wouldn’t have said anything and would have just quit KZbin without proper reason.

[@azure8696]

If he was just simply "burnt out" then why not just say that? All of us can certainly understand burn and would have gracefully waited for him. Something else is going on with him, saying "I made all the money" is not an applicable answer.... Dude's hot something else going on we don't know about....

[@83442handle]

He's burnt out from the fact his nostalgia channel was repeating itself therefore he was turning into just pure content farm channel which made it even harder to make a video and then you add on to the fact tons of people starting going through his family's social media from 10 years ago...etc.

[@HarryToeface]

I'm sorry but, creating content you don't actually like would still not be boring. With all the money he makes, it would be exciting as hell to know you're going to make 10s of thousands of dollars every single video. Focusing on the quality is supposed to be the fun part. Working from home like that, instead of having a boss who steals your soul every day, would not get boring.

[@lukebryant5017]

Just say you’ve never had a decent job that sucks lmao

[@HarryToeface]

@lukebryant5017 LOL THAT'S what you got from that? LMAO bro you will never make as much money as streamers do. Especially from home doing almost nothing. These people pay editors and all they do is record themselves talking. They make millions. You are not making millions at your mcjob buddy. But if you want to pretend your some multi millionaire working some corporate job and lie to yourself hey that's the world we currently live in. Where people pretend they can change their gender too.

[@HarryToeface]

@@lukebryant5017 lol bro you're pretending like you make anywhere near as much as streamers do its hilarious. What should I expect in 2024 where people pretend they're chickens and unicorns now.

[@treehavn]

Bro he is not making 10’s of thousands of dollars per video 😂😂 he has less than 1m subs and most of his vids get only 10s of thousands of views, not millions. He likely gets a couple hundred bucks per video IF its one of his popular ones 😂

[@HarryToeface]

@treehavn You are clueless buddy. He has been sponsored for a very long time, you have absolutely no idea how this works do you? Why would you so confidently argue against something you don't even know about? So many people just like you do it all the time and I really want to know, why do you so confidently argue against something you're wrong about? It's so dumb! He even said he "met his financial goals" do you really think he did that by making a few hundred dollars a video? All the donations he gets from people, Patreon supporters, super chats etc etc. Also just fyi it's not about subscriber count it's about ACTIVE subscribers. A channel can have over a million subs but be dead because none of them are actively watching their content. There are plenty of dead channels on KZbin that have over a million subs and barely get a few thousand views a month. Maybe instead of just running your mouth, why don't you research the topic you're talking about?

[@Saywhatiwantto]

Finn’s departure has given B-tier content imitators a week’s worth of material.

[@warmonger8799]

Awesomeness

[@joedragaux8695]

Finn created a massive on going music conversation and education channel that no one else has even close to competed with. He really did more for metal and music eduction than anyone else on KZbin. Period.

[@marcusedwards8283]

Finn Mcgrifter. His reputation should be negatively tarnished from here on out. I don't give a damn about him ending his channel, but when you openly, seemingly proudly admit that you are a liar, a scammer, and not to be trusted. If you're willing to lie about caring about music, you're willing to lie about anything else. If all you care about are business and money, there are plenty of industries where he'd fit right in, like the health insurance industry.

[@SamMcDonald83]

This whole thing is so bizarre. I only recently discovered McK's content and for the most part found it quite entertaining. If, as he said, he really wasn't into music at all, it seems like he did a fair bit of research to firm his opinions. The past I don't get is why he was so blatant in repudiating his old work. All he needed to have said was that he felt he wasn't really creating the kind of content that he wanted to, and I think most people would have probably understood. A lot of big name youtubers have done that recently and no one holds it against them. The really aggressive way he dismissed his old work and insulted his fans seems nuts and created this backlash. The only reasons I can see why he would do this is either he really has gone crazy or he wanted to drive attention. Sad to say but I'd imagine he's go a lot of engagement these last few days.

[@BatsAndBadgers]

nah people were not following him, we followed what the youtube algorithm allowed us to see. We dont often see the smaller channels. perhaps he got so much hate because people did not actually like him, but again he was presentable for the algorithm.

[@GoodGuyChucky-666]

The punk rock MBA was a great channel, great history lesson about rock and metal bands but if he doesn't have the passion for it anymore it's best to draw a line under it rather than churning out shit for the sake of it, talking about narrow playlists on radio, I went a few months where I would listen absolute radio 90's as it was same big hit songs from the 90's and got bored of it

[@tylerwilliams5239]

He claimed he never had a passion for it and basically said people that enjoy the music are stupid

[@Unwritten_Pages]

He was terrible and wrong most of the time 🤣

[@KrytoRift]

Expand your horizons

[@Idontlikeanyoneanywhere]

This guy used to call people posers a lot.

[@punk_rock_associates_degree]

Do not fear, the void will be filled soon....

[@MagicCyclops]

I was never a fan seemed off

[@IanForonda-u6m]

There's really no justification for insincerity and ingratitude, no matter the platform or circumstance. Watched his channel a total of one time years ago and was instantly turned off. Never watched again, though his thumbnails kept appearing on my feed and sidebar. Can't say I'm surprised, not because "I always knew he was a poser" like some people are saying, but because I've seen this happen more than a few times. The "mild version" is they'll say they've "matured" and moved on, effectively belittling the subculture that they were once part of in a "well-mannered" way, and then there's what should be known henceforth as the "Finn McKenty burnout-meltdown version." I believe people should learn to detect and avoid the potential Finn McKenty's in this world, as such people are a waste of time and resources that are better off going towards sincere, passionate, and honorable individuals.

[@faberz76]

Check out his last video. He explains how Rock has reached its peak and there’s nothing more to report.

[@thibauddenolle4324]

Same for politicians, they go on for decades talking about one or two topics like “immigration” or “inflation”. Imagine how many times they repeat the exact same thing during interviews, speech at rallies, etc…

[@Imaspookykitty]

People who are surprised about this weren't listening close enough to what he was saying

[@MrSit87]

The only real news of this interview was that he never liked music in the first place. Everything else he said on his channel many times. He hates talking about System of a Down, he reads from Wikipedia, it´s only about the money blabla... but people thought he was joking and some think, he is trolling people with this interview. As someone, who watched he channel: I don´t know what´s going on with the dude and I´m not bothered about it. I do wonder though if he never liked music and everything on his channel was fake. That would be a bit strange.

[@KrytoRift]

I always thought he was a fraud. Saw right through him. Now i feel justified

[@theunborn33]

Same, brother. What a slimeball...

[@IzunaSlap]

A "punk rock fan" who hates Fugazi but loves nu metal. I knew something was fishy about him.

[@KrytoRift]

@IzunaSlap especially since he claimed to come from the hardcore scene

[@sorashima]

I find it hard to imagine he just printed all those hardcore show flyers for his backdrop and must have been like "Earth Crisis? Never heard of them" - kind of disturbing to be THAT fake for that long.

[@bdr113080]

I think some people are taking what he said is he never liked punk or metal I don’t think that’s what he meant and if he did, I think he’s trolling. I don’t think he’s really cared about either type of music for a few years now. Yes, I know he said you can just go to Wikipedia and look stuff up about any band or album and that’s true but there have been too many times on his show especially if he’s got a guest on and they’re talking about something and they’ll go off topic like 12 different times and one of them will bring up and obscure band It’s not just that he knew what he was talking about. It’s stuff that you can’t really put in a Wikipedia page. Some things you just really had to be there for. Like when he brings up a specific part of his song that he guitar effect was doing, and then he tells the other guy that it reminds him of something this other band did and the other guy knows exactly what he’s talking about, there’s no way I will ever believe he just never listen to any of it. The other thing is, he was right about a lot of stuff. Yes Metallica and Korn have both been around for decades now. Yes they are older bands, but he’s right. Those are the bands people are interested in. I’m tired of seeing top 10 list of modern metal and I look at the list and half the bands I’ve never heard of and the other half I go look up the numbers for the album and it moved 3000 units for the whole year, meaning it probably got a couple million streams. In fact I think that’s exactly what it is. If you did 3000 units . Is there just not an audience for it? Or is there really a thing where teenagers just don’t care about metal or punk anymore? Or do the teenagers do like metal in punk but they just like the older stuff like they got into it but the only stuff they like is Ozzy Osbourne and Pantera and Metallica and RATM and Slayer…… I mean there has to be a reason. Either teenagers today just don’t care about metal and 90% of the fan base is 35 or older or there are millions of teenagers that like metal but no one gives a crap about the new bands. Yes, I love but I’ll be honest is all stuff from the late 60s to the 2000. I’m going to watch a video about a band that came out last year. I don’t care. But if it’s something like Megadeth, Korn , COC, etc. Of course I’m going to watch it. I’ve been fans of those bands for decades. I thought I was alone, but apparently nobody of any age cares about any of the new bands. If they were, they would get hundreds of thousands of views on his videos and everyone that has entered the same community has all said the same thing. That they were going to cover new bands and new albums to get new people on it and then they realized it didn’t matter. they’re not going to spend hours by a band that came out four years ago because it’s only going to get a couple thousand views so they’re going to go make their fifth Skipknot video. So yeah, he’s not wrong but I don’t understand why people care. I don’t see how hymns saying he doesn’t like music anymore and he quit KZbin pisses anybody off. What he meant his financial goals? Is that the part that has them butt hurt? it’s his job. Everybody takes a job that they might like at first and then eight years later you hate it that’s not uncommon. It’s fine if you don’t like him I’m not gonna argue with you but get mad that somebody that so many people claim they didn’t like and wish he wasn’t on KZbin then get more mad when he actually quits KZbin? That’s kind of dumb.

[@lukel591]

16:43 pretending to be passionate about something that’s actually just to make money is not punk rock

[@delix787]

KZbin keeps taking my comment away from you. 😢 I’m being censored over fairness.

[@carpenoctem775]

I never thought of him as a source of credibility. He’s an advocate of pop punk and emo music. That negates any authenticity and genuinity.

[@felixd.4150]

16:50 Everything can be argued to be "actually punk rock"

[@markferguson3745]

He should have called the channel " Adults who listen to music made for 15 yo's. Content certainly had nothing to do with Punk ,- unless it's the other prison definition of the term. I wouldn't had thought that his weak, poorly informed opinions warranted a hundred videos on his retirement.

[@DownfallDarkness]

It doesn't, LOL. It's a business formula. Viral KZbinr "retires" so, make a video on it-capitalize on the impressionable consumerism, as an attempt to garner traffic to your own channel, etc. Now Finn is trying to charge 1,000s of dollars on "LinkedIn" to teach this same information I'm relaying-to the rest of y'all plebs online; who want the clout. Common sense is not so common, apparently! I'm not surprised. Always knew Finn was cookie-cutter & did it for the money. _"Surprise!"_

[@markferguson3745]

@DownfallDarkness It was a rhetorical question, in case you missed that.I fully realize that the vast majority of content creators are inspired much more by the possibility of a independent, fairly easy income flow than they are by their chosen subject matter,-" LOL".

[@herrderfinsterins104]

Good for Finn, the guy never has to work again in his life!

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

as someone who watched tons of his livestreams as a paid subscriber i will say THIS: Finn apparently KNOWS almost everyone in the scene and has lived in every state and been a part of every music scene in every state at some point or another. i don't know where i was going with all that but i mean the dude must be hanging out with Elton John, Jamey Jasta, and Scott Stapp at this very moment in time. 😂

[@xmikenecrofentx]

Sick reel big fish poster bro

[@PrimordialRadio]

Haaaa! Cheers man. Nicked it from a gig years ago /Dews

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

Why Do They Rock So Hard? 👊

[@BroDude0]

Didn’t people pay money for him to review their songs/bands as one of his services? If you did, don’t take his criticism to heart

[@crystalracing4794]

I think I've said everything I've wanted to say about him on everyone else's videos 😂

[@suoquainen]

I'm always surprised, after hearing numbers, that if i would have a monetizated account and not just a standard one, i would had already made some nice money. :)

[@infinidominion]

40 dollars

[@suoquainen]

​@@infinidominion Way more. You should know, that if an upload from a standard account reaches 500k views, it gets automatically deleted. So for a standard user as i am i cannot reach more than 500k views per upload and would need to re-upload all already deleted uploads...which i am not doing, because i am too lazy. :) Also people should know that my channel is not about me, but only the content and that the big differences in views are purely a matter of interest (lesser clicks no interest).

[@ZillaCabs]

Glad I found you here. I've never understood at how much negativity there can be on here..... why not just watch something else. I can see why he'd burn out.

[@monkiespukerabbits]

I felt he was getting burned out, but I never watched all his content by far. Btw, bring on the new bands! I'm 46, and I'm still looking for new stuff to check out. I get bored with my Coil, Legendary Pink Dots, Nirvana, GG Alan, Hungry Lucy, Michael Manring, and the list goes on and on. Naustalgia is quite fine, but in small fing doses.

[@imalizard2113]

I was bored with all my old favorite bands and couldn't get into anything new....until I discovered King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Check them out if you haven't. The put out multiple albums a year across several genres. I just discovered them a couple years ago and they're already in my top 10.

[@Ritff666l-e9e]

Probably because you weren't there for the Culture

[@Ritff666l-e9e]

Which also is NOT Nostalgia

[@Ritff666l-e9e]

@@imalizard2113 '' .until I discovered King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Check them out if you haven't '' LOL !

[@mikeburkhardt7893]

I followed Finn for a little bit, and all he ever talked about was how much he loves Avenged Sevenfold🤨I got very bored very quick

[@TheChadTI]

Uncle Ago threw me a bone with this channel. I liked this discussion and a quick view of the catalog looks like some interesting topics. Bully for me! (Gottagetaraincheckon) 🤙 /subbed.

[@jdfosho]

This feels like the Music KZbin version of the Threatin tour, but on steroids!

[@apcfire]

Guys, the idea of being positive is definitely laudible as a goal but the man admitted to literally lying for money and pretending to be something he wasn't to fleece his fan base. At some point you need to drop the charitability and call a spade a fucking spade. Also saying, "Oh he took the money and ran, is that any different than any on else" is extremely tone deaf and shows an pretty lacking set of standards on your part in regards to integrity.

[@thebiolithic]

Thanks for the video. "But, It doesn't make money!" You seem to forget that there's people out there like me would rather have 2 friends who like "Silly Goose" than 100,000 half-hearted fans of The Beatles or Green Day. So, you can balance out having all human relationships "only for the money" versus having a "work/life balance" and making 2 videos about Green Day and 1 video about Silly Goose. Pay your bills with Green Day, nurture your human soul/spirit by connecting positively with another human by posting about Silly Goose. 200 views are not bad if you get 10 sincere true believers of you, and you can supplant it with reading Wikipedia articles on mainstream stuff

[@1-eye-willy]

one of the neck beards i watch do record reviews just the other day said "fin dresses like a ten year old" then he was like "fin is 25 years older than his wife" and he came to the conclusion "fin just doesnt want to grow up"

[@patorjk]

The Homer Simpson reference made me laugh out loud, definitely a good analogy of what he did!

[@TheRealCeeJai]

What is all this talk of 'burn out'? Seriously, you're ascribing reasons for him quitting that he never said. Yeah, he said he was tired of making videos, but he also *specifically* stated the reason he's quitting is because he reached the financial mark he was trying to hit. Period. He never said he was quitting because of burn out.

[@Tedanson]

making youtube videos that you're not that passionate about is not a difficult life, and getting negative comments that you don't even have to read? i get actual abuse in person at my job, "influencers" have no perspective of real problems

[@candypeanut9927]

I watched many of his videos but lost interest with time. His research seemed to become significantly sloppier and his ad-game became overly frustrating to watch. Too many ads, and some downright inappropriate. I unsubscribed his channel when he had an online gambling site sponsoring a video that partially also dealt with addiction issues in his family.

[@shaneturner9336]

This guy says on his show now that he is quitting because he is burnt out on it but the real reason he is quitting is because he doesn’t even listen to or like music , knows nothing ABOUT music and only knows ANYTHING about ANY band or is because he googles and Wikipedias them and finds out all he needs to know and make a piece on it . He doesn’t even listen to any of these bands and the nostalgia that it felt like he had while talking about certain bands and songs was ALL FAKE ! He doesn’t have the same feeling WE had growing up listening to the music we listened to because he was a nerd that didn’t listen to music , probably didn’t have any friends and grew up playing video games in his room all day and night . He probably started it to try and get in with the cool crowd and is just there for the money the clicks and other than that he has literally NO interest in any of it . There’s video of him saying it .

[@alexandersegura1]

I never liked Punk rock And now im hearing im finally seeing something negative that is happening to him...makes me enjoy my day a Lot better with my warm coffee

[@michelvoortman4725]

The latest stuff he did was just reading wikipedia. He was oddly objective doing that. Much better than him telling me I should embrace MGK doing poppunk for whatever reason he had. Why should I embrace MGK? His music sucks and it is completely inauthentic. I heard all marketing and no punk attitude at all.

[@MCastleberry1980]

Honestly, I'd be burned out too if i was scraping the bottom of the barrel and talking about butt rock

[@Soshikix]

Whatever the real reason was for him quitting, he obviously doesn't want us to know about it. I can believe burnout, but the whole thing about him not liking the music seemed disingenuous. Either way, I did enjoy quite a few of his videos. Finn might be a grifter, but a good video is a good video.

[@ryangodschalk1876]

Everybody is pulling up snippets from this interview but they clearly didn't listen to the whole thing. He started in marketing he went to talking about music because he knew he would get the clicks and then he just got burnt out talking about stuff he didn't really have a passion for. I don't blame the guy for leaving at all and he also said he's making two to $3,000 a month still in residuals for a little bit I wish I could get residuals like that on something I quit. Good for him for taking the money and running.

[@waywardsuol]

I would love if you check out my new Texas death metal EP 'i heard you're dying' by infested visions 🤘

[@christiansaunders6675]

The guy spent years building bridges then burned them all. His choice.

[@grhmail1034]

Now I'm clicking on "The Rise and Fall of Massive Musician....Analysts?" Please just put me out of my misery. Haha

[@fclefjefff4041]

I'm not getting why so many people are so fixated on this guy. Who gives a shit 😆

[@infinidominion]

KZbin loves a buzz trend. And much like Germans loving David Hasselhoff, KZbin loves videos on Chernobyl and submarines

[@eaglesandowls]

you do since you are here

[@fclefjefff4041]

HUR HUR

[@UnwrittenSpade]

I don’t shit on his fans at all content, like art, is subjective but to me he always sucked. I hated so much how many times he would name a band and say if you like them you’re an idiot. Like what dude someone’s musical taste doesn’t define them!

[@thepagecollective]

MBA was a red flag. an MBA is the opposite of punk.

[@gd86xog]

i still can't over his insane takes on "the next big thing" spoiler . A lot of those bands or artists are doing okay, but they're most certainly not headlining european tours or making gold records as of this writing 😂

[@exmodusgaming]

He was toxic as hell, I've seen tons of videos on this topic and none of the comments are positive about Mckenty. He consistently and aggressively insulted literally anyone who might be watching his videos. As it turns out, nobody likes people who daily broadcast vitriol to the world.

[@ComicPower]

This wasnt burnout. Dude was a fraud and grifter that made his money and split.

[@failzapper]

When he couldn't see eye to eye with RATM, that should have been a signal to everyone that dude is hella weird